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Australian government considers chemically castrating paedophiles (metro.co.uk)

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[–]An_Image_Of_Mohammed 309ポイント310ポイント  (130子コメント)

This was tried with homosexuality as well.

It's a futile and incorrect road.

Remember Alan Turing?

[–]Chaoslab 61ポイント62ポイント  (0子コメント)

A great loss to humanity and mathematics.

[–]shitshitredditsaysre 74ポイント75ポイント  (23子コメント)

Your comment has been linked to on /r/shitredditsays using a non-np link. This can result in harassment and brigading, contrary to this rule.

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[–]blackhawk767 87ポイント88ポイント  (5子コメント)

God that fucking sub is toxic

[–]07537440 12ポイント13ポイント  (3子コメント)

Why isn't that sub banned, I have no idea.

[–]PunxTatto 21ポイント22ポイント  (0子コメント)

Because the admins love them. Something about an admin being a mod there. But they are entertaining idiots. There is literally nothing they wont get offended by.

[–]Bazza15 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Isn't the point of the sub to post "shit reddit says"?

[–]Blunter11 33ポイント34ポイント  (1子コメント)

Wow, each and every one of them missed the point of his post

[–]NatesTag 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

fatpeoplehate gets banned, and yet these cunts are still around. I guess it pays to infiltrate the mod staff.

[–]Shatophiliac 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

Disgusting. I hate srs. Bunch of fat acceptance SJWs who "know better" than us.

[–]MaxFreedomMoussa 5ポイント6ポイント  (17子コメント)

In this particular case they would be using completely reversible methods, you're scaremongering here. Totally different scenarios.

[–]NixonForBreadsident 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

You know Turings drugs were reversible too, right?

You do understand the severe side effects of these drugs is the issue, right?

You get that cruel and unusual punishment isn't magically justified because "hurr its okay we can reverse it later", right?

[–]relationshipdownvote -4ポイント-3ポイント  (0子コメント)

But they are completely different drugs, how does that possibly apply here?

[–]ImANewRedditor 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

If it's reversible, what's the point?

[–]wisdom_possibly 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's "reversible", but no one will let it be reversed. Might as well cut off his balls.

[–]RideTheWingsOfDeath -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Reduced wanking frequency.

[–]An_Image_Of_Mohammed 4ポイント5ポイント  (9子コメント)

I was not trying to scaremonger. I was trying to be opposed and cautionary.

If someone wanted to try hormonal therapy or chemical castration or shock therapy or whatever, then as long as it's not morbid or mortal, then that is their choice.

To "sentence" someone to forced chemical castration (or whatever) seems counterproductive, especially if there is really no proven benefit (the "patient" is cured) or the side effects are not bearable.

[–]MaxFreedomMoussa -5ポイント-4ポイント  (8子コメント)

To "sentence" someone to forced chemical castration (or whatever) seems counterproductive, especially if there is really no proven benefit (the "patient" is cured) or the side effects are not bearable.

Well there is plenty of benefit in the form of reduced libido... In any case it's completely reversible and if it stops children being molested, excellent. I just hope this is in ADDITION to lengthy prison time and not a substitute, since there has been plenty of cases of people reoffending after being chemically castrated even though it reduces the rate.

[–]An_Image_Of_Mohammed 3ポイント4ポイント  (7子コメント)

and if it stops children being molested, excellent.

Well that's the question, isn't it. If there was a pill or a ray gun that would "wipe away the pedophiliae" then I think you're on to something.

I just hope this is in ADDITION to lengthy prison time and not a substitute, since there has been plenty of cases of people reoffending after being chemically castrated even though it reduces the rate.

Well hold on a second. If they are having a lengthy prison sentence, you've already protected society from their, what I'm assuming to be, aggressive and predatory behaviors.

So while in an adult male prison, you're going to go ahead and chemically castrate them as well? Is this part of some sort of "rehabilitation" you'll be providing?

I mean, technically, you can "scarlet letter" every convicted pedophile with a very identifiable tattoo, possibly a full body tattoo. That would warn every member of society that there is a "convicted pedophile" (whatever that might mean) in their midst.

I am not sure what the goal in "treatment" would or should be when dealing with pedophiles. It's not an easy "problem to solve".

[–]MaxFreedomMoussa -4ポイント-3ポイント  (6子コメント)

Well that's the question, isn't it. If there was a pill or a ray gun that would "wipe away the pedophiliae" then I think you're on to something.

I don't think you understand, it 100% reduces their libido. They'll still be pedophiles but it reduces the reoffending rates.

So while in an adult male prison, you're going to go ahead and chemically castrate them as well? Is this part of some sort of "rehabilitation" you'll be providing?

You seem thick, the idea is once they are released they're put on reversal hormones to reduce their libido and help them cope with their urges.

I mean, technically, you can "scarlet letter" every convicted pedophile with a very identifiable tattoo, possibly a full body tattoo. That would warn every member of society that there is a "convicted pedophile" (whatever that might mean) in their midst.

Oh, shut up with the strawmen arguments...

[–]An_Image_Of_Mohammed 2ポイント3ポイント  (5子コメント)

Oh, shut up with the strawmen arguments...

Don't you want to punish pedophiles and prevent their crimes?

How was that a strawman argument? I'm entirely serious, just as you are about chemically castrating them. One could even make specific patterns with regards to the type of pedophile they are. This is assuming they have survived their prison sentence.

[–]MaxFreedomMoussa -4ポイント-3ポイント  (3子コメント)

You seem to have no idea what chemically castrated in this context means. It's a completely reversible hormone treatment that reduces libido.

This is assuming they have survived their prison sentence.

All pedophiles are put in protective custody in Australia. Abraham Lincoln once said it's better to be thought of as a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.

[–]An_Image_Of_Mohammed 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Oh please.

You make it seem like this is some panacea that "cures" pedophilia. Your fantasizing!

You seem to have no idea what chemically castrated implies.

[–]MaxFreedomMoussa -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I've said many times now it's simply a treatment that reduces libido and not a cure for anything, if you're so stupid you misunderstood what I plainly stated there's no point continuing this discussion.

[–]An_Image_Of_Mohammed -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

And I do understand what your saying with regards to chemical castration.

[–]Purpleheart111 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

There are non reversible side effects, even from chemical castration, permanent side effects include infertility (can be reversable but is far from a guarantee) and gynecomastia. I am a trans woman who is on chemical castration medication (Cyproterone acetate) as part of my HRT so I know about it's effects very personally. Also adults need a primary sex hormone, otherwise things like osteoporosis become a problem.

[–]OnlyForF1 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

Could we not compare homosexuals with actual convicted child abusers?

Punishing people for taking part in homosexual activities between consenting adults is one thing, punishing people who abuse children is completely different.

[–]An_Image_Of_Mohammed 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

Only contextually.

Clinically, sexual proclivities are exactly that - things that get human beings aroused.

Claiming that one is criminal or another isn't is a societal judgment.

Yes, child molestation, child porn rings, child abuse (psychological and physical), and similar minority sexual expressions are personally reprehensible to me (I would think to most), however, that doesn't mean that the motivations for one or the other are any different.

Being sexually aroused is being sexually aroused. We all (most?) know what that feels like.

[–]OnlyForF1 -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

Chemical castration would only occur to convicted child abusers though, lowering the reoffending rate from 75% to a mere 2%.

[–]An_Image_Of_Mohammed 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

A quick search led me to this:

Surgical castration reportedly produces definitive results, even in repeat pedophilic offenders, by reducing recidivism rates to 2% to 5% compared with expected rates of 50%. Chemical castration using LHRH agonists reduces circulating testosterone to very low levels, and also results in very low levels of recidivism despite the strong psychological factors that contribute to sexual offending (10).

(10) Thibaut F, De La Barra F, Gordon H, Cosyns P, Bradford JM. The World Federation of Societies of Biological Psychiatry (WFSBP) guidelines for the biological treatment of paraphilias. World J Biol Psychiatry. 2010;11:604–655.

I'm not convinced of the recidivism rates being reported. I haven't found the actual studies that have yielded these quotes.

[–][deleted] -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Some drug regimes are reported to work well for individuals who develop parphilias as a result of brain injury so the issue may need to be approached on a case by case basis. Obviously not all people who display a sexual interest in children have Klüver-Bucy Syndrome. Homosexuality is not a paraphilia.

[–]A_Flaming_Banana -4ポイント-3ポイント  (1子コメント)

If you actually looked at facts and not the 'movie' that was about as accurate as lord of the ring's is to medieval Europe, then you would realize turning was perfectly fine and is recorded by his friends as having no change in behavior, and he didn't seem to mind being castrated.

[–]An_Image_Of_Mohammed 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I never saw the movie.

I did read his biography.

you would realize turning was perfectly fine and is recorded by his friends as having no change in behavior, and he didn't seem to mind being castrated.

I'm not sure what "facts" you are "looking at". I suggest you find some other "facts" and actually try to understand them.