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Australian government considers chemically castrating paedophiles (metro.co.uk)

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[–]SauerKraus 663ポイント664ポイント  (205子コメント)

‘We must do everything possible to reduce that [recidivism] figure."

Except chemically castrate wrongly convicted people, please.

[–]deimosusn 459ポイント460ポイント  (66子コメント)

It's also important to remember that is easy for an over eager investigator to plant false memories in kids. They are very suggestable, and can be lead into making false accusations.

It happened several times in the US, with multiple people being wrongly convicted.

[–]stan11003 214ポイント215ポイント  (23子コメント)

I play this game with my 2 year old all the time, I ask her crazy question and she just says yes to anything. She has beaten the hulk and robbed a bank in the same day.

[–]Haust 192ポイント193ポイント  (13子コメント)

Crazy to you, maybe. For her, it was Tuesday.

[–]NotJohnStamos 35ポイント36ポイント  (12子コメント)

RIP Raul Julia. Greatest line ever. A shame his last movie was such a turd.

[–]shepards_hamster 12ポイント13ポイント  (7子コメント)

True, but he is one of the enjoyable parts of the movie.

[–]NotJohnStamos 8ポイント9ポイント  (5子コメント)

Oh yeah, he fucking owned that role. He knew what a turd it was and went all out, some Overdrawn At The Memory Bank level energy and fun.

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    [–]Rephaite 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

    What work is that line from?

    [–]NotJohnStamos 30ポイント31ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Street Fighter: The Movie. Chun Li finally confronts M. Bison (Raul Julia) about how she has devoted her life to killing him. To making him pay for the day he and his army came to her village and killed everyone.

    His reply: "For you, the day Bison graced your village was the most important day of your life. But for me, it was Tuesday."

    [–]saryong 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Street Fighter: The Movie I believe

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      [–]workraken 29ポイント30ポイント  (3子コメント)

      Did you not consider that she might actually be a super villain?

      [–]Paladin327 12ポイント13ポイント  (2子コメント)

      I do find it unlikely that the poster has unobstructed line of sight to the kid 24/7, so it is a distinct possibility

      [–]thebeginningistheend 14ポイント15ポイント  (1子コメント)

      This guy's spawning infant supervillains. How about we chemically castrate him?

      [–]Paladin327 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

      It's already too late...

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        [–]FockSmulder 71ポイント72ポイント  (15子コメント)

        Ever seen The Hunt?

        [–]ShadowLiberal 13ポイント14ポイント  (2子コメント)

        Kids are also historically very bad eye witnesses at solving crimes compared to adults.

        [–]WouldYouLikeTocuddle 16ポイント17ポイント  (0子コメント)

        It's worth noting, that adults are horrible sources of evidence to begin with.

        [–]roscocoltrane 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

        kids don't know shit about anything, they are useless. If you don't believe me then leave them in a forest during the night, and watch the result.

        [–]Irreal_Dance 18ポイント19ポイント  (0子コメント)

        There was a case in Germany were this has led to 25 people accused, spanning four years and it started with one woman tried to get the edge in a divorce accusing her husband of abusing their children (she was later also accused in the process). Some children were too much traumatized by the investigation that they couldn't return to their parents. (And the head of the children home where they were was later sentenced for abuse).

        [–]Dorfidiot 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Yeah. This could be something to think about for people who are repeat offenders. 1st time, prison/rehab, 2nd time, prison/castration.

        [–]BrawndoTTM 13ポイント14ポイント  (15子コメント)

        This is precisely why I gave up on being a teacher. I would never touch a child, but the danger of false accusations is far too high.

        [–]manazoni1989 14ポイント15ポイント  (2子コメント)

        Male teachers have it much worse than female teachers, in the judicial system for the same crime(s).

        edit- second half of sentence.

        [–]MadHiggins 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

        the problem is most male teachers who commit those kinds of crimes tend to do it with more victims. i don't think i've ever heard of a female teacher molesting more than 2 or 3 students while i've seen male teachers reach dozens of victims.

        [–]Confesses_To_Crimes 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

        It really isn't

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          [–]georgie411 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

          It happened a shit load of times during the late 80s and early 90s. It's referred to as the satanic ritual sexual abuse moral panic. People were prosecuted and put in prison on completely absurd non sensical allegations. Parents and investigators were planting ideas in the kids heads and some of them truly believed the comically absurd stories they ended up telling.

          [–]MirapoixFlora 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

          This happened to my younger sister. She still thinks things occurred that I know did not.

          [–]MadMan2012 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

          My aunt caught her ex on a nanny cam coaching his adopted daughters to claim my aunts boyfriend was molesting them. If he hadn't been caught, her boyfriend would be a world of trouble. It's not just investigators we need to worry about.

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            [–]bcGrimm 75ポイント76ポイント  (39子コメント)

            Oh God, can you imagine? I don't think there's any way you could ethically do this.

            [–]dog_damn[S] 14ポイント15ポイント  (36子コメント)

            Some states in america have already implemented similar laws.

            [–]bcGrimm 35ポイント36ポイント  (35子コメント)

            I find this very hard to believe, could you elaborate and provide a source?

            [–]Fuzzyphilosopher 15ポイント16ポイント  (3子コメント)

            I believe it is voluntary. So if a convict agrees to be chemically castrated he may be released earlier etc.

            [–]Karma_Redeemed 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

            Isn't that the same deal that Alan Turing ended up having to undergo? Chemical Castration in exchange for not going to prison? Except he was Homosexual and not a pedophile obviously.

            Do they do it differently these days? Iirc, the drugs they used back in the 50s had some horrific side effects.

            [–]Purpleheart111 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Back then there was no testosterone blocker so they injected him with large amounts of estrogen, which was also the treatment trans women received before anti androgens were common. He would have went through a female puberty pretty much with breast development and all the other effects of switching your body's primary sex hormone.

            [–]scdi 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Which is equal to an extended punishment for those who don't volunteer. Normally bullshit like this isn't allowed by judges, but when it is the legal system doing it they look the other way. Consider someone who gifts their work to a person who happens to gift them a substantial amount of money (but still under the gift limit for tax exemption). They try to claim it isn't a sale and it isn't income because it was gifted. A judge would call bullshit.

            In the same way, getting out in 5 if you choose chemical castration or having to wait 10 otherwise is the same thing as saying there is a 5 year prison sentence for not choosing chemical castration.

            [–]dog_damn[S] 23ポイント24ポイント  (30子コメント)

            If you consider wikipedia as a viable source, under united states bolt you will find that information. If the topic interest you, Florida passed a law allowing chemical castration in 1997 here is a paper discussing it.

            [–]bcGrimm 61ポイント62ポイント  (12子コメント)

            Despite its long history and established use, the drug has never been approved by the FDA for use as a treatment for sexual offenders.[5]

            The very first paragraph. Will read more though.

            Hmm, so the law is there in a few states, but I can't seem to find an example of it being used. Troubling regardless.

            [–]TheLoveofDoge 10ポイント11ポイント  (8子コメント)

            The states' logic seems to be that the castration itself is the cure and not the drug itself. It's like saying anesthesia is a poor cure for pancreatitis, when in actuality the surgery is what cures it.

            Also, in the decades leading up to World War II, California experimented with eugenics in both the poor and prisoners.

            [–]hubCAPPS 20ポイント21ポイント  (6子コメント)

            Shit, the whole world loved Eugenics until Hitler went and tried to create the master race.

            [–]lanadapter 11ポイント12ポイント  (4子コメント)

            Nazis ruin everything

            [–]zenhkai 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

            Honestly it was probably one of the best things to happen. Can you imagine where wed be if unchecked eugenics was practiced? The US did it to natives.

            [–]Gonzzzo 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

            A couple documentaries really opened my eyes with the eugenics movement of the early 1900s...Planned Parenthood was founded on a basis of eugenics... castration became a societal norm...

            Hitler was nowhere near the radical extremists we view him as today, he simply took the very-popular eugenics movement to it's logical conclusion (in a sense)

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                [–]captainjackl 8ポイント9ポイント  (2子コメント)

                How is that not cruel/unusual punishment?

                [–]Periscopia 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

                "Cruel and unusual punishment" is a very subjective concept. The US Supreme Court, as well as most states' top courts, have found the death penalty (assuming it's carried out quickly/humanely) not to be in conflict with the Constitutional prohibition on "cruel and unusual punishment" -- a very reasonable finding, given that the men who drafted and approved the Constitution clearly did not intent to prohibit the death penalty. Given the large number of convicted sex offenders who have opted for chemical castration as an alternative to longer incarceration, one can reasonably conclude that it is not inherently more "cruel" than incarceration.

                [–]HeroOfCanton 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Damn OP delivers.... and with a vengeance.

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                    [–]Periscopia 41ポイント42ポイント  (10子コメント)

                    Chemical castration is a misleading term. It's comparable to hormonal contraceptives for women -- totally reversible.

                    [–]flatcurve 16ポイント17ポイント  (1子コメント)

                    In some cases it actually is female contraceptives. Depo Provera is one of the drugs that's used.

                    [–]_OP_is_A_ 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

                    Contraceptives increase blood clot and stroke chance significantly. So. Potentially not reversible if it kills a person.

                    [–]skilliard4 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

                    True, but chemical castration has bad long term effects on health.

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                      [–]FreckledSkull 25ポイント26ポイント  (12子コメント)

                      They aren't physically removing the testes are they? It's a pill right. So they can stop taking it and everything would be ok?

                      [–]hedonismbot89 19ポイント20ポイント  (3子コメント)

                      Usually today, they use the chemical they use is depot medroxyprogesterone acetate (DMPA or Depo-Provera). It is most commonly used as a contraceptive. It is given in a shot to the individual every three months. It can cause increased risk of cardiovascular problems, and can effect bone density. It is reversible, and has been shown to be effective in the past.

                      [–]Veni_Vidi_Vici_24[🍰] 50ポイント51ポイント  (6子コメント)

                      Pretty much, yes. People are overreacting to the term, "castration". There is ZERO castration involved. It can also be reversed.

                      [–]Unicorn_Tickles 13ポイント14ポイント  (5子コメント)

                      But that also brings up the question of the effectiveness of the process. If it relies on these people taking a daily pill, how many are just going to stop taking it? I guess it's better than nothing and I wouldn't condone full on castration obviously but have studies even been done on the effectiveness of chemical castration when it comes to recidivism rates?

                      [–]Veni_Vidi_Vici_24[🍰] 19ポイント20ポイント  (3子コメント)

                      From what I understand, it's not a pill but rather an injection given every 3 months.

                      As for the efficacy, that's the part that needs to be researched more. /u/foust2015 cited this showing a drop from 75% to 2% in repeat offenses.

                      I don't know the answer but I also don't think chemical therapy should be thrown out the window without more research when there are offenders repeatedly destroying other people's lives. It's pretty obvious that prison doesn't work.

                      [–]HeyLookAtMyBeard 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                      Maybe try fixing them, instead of punishing them in more diverse and cruel manners? I bet fixing broken people would work.

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                        [–]Imogens 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        The people who don't want to reoffend will continue taking it.

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                          [–]bunnylover726 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

                          I'd be ok with it only if the convicted person was given a choice- jail or the drugs.

                          [–]SeagoingBarcalounger 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          I'd be ok with it only if the convicted person was given a choice- jail or the drugs.

                          Yep. The ideal system.

                          If they take the option, then useless decades of their life are saved, and society saves the cost of imprisonment, AND the re-offense rate is massively reduced (or even eliminated).

                          [–]relationshipdownvote 24ポイント25ポイント  (30子コメント)

                          First off, it can be reversed.

                          Secondly, with that logic we'd never punish anyone ever because we might be doing it to a wrongly convicted person.

                          [–]BananaMeGustaII 34ポイント35ポイント  (27子コメント)

                          Better to let 100 guilty men walk free than put one innocent man in prison? Does that ring a bell at all?

                          [–]Khiva 5ポイント6ポイント  (7子コメント)

                          This is kind of neither here nor there, but I never really quite understood the reasoning with this quote. It just seems arbitrary.

                          Surely there's limit, no? Would you let 150 guilty men go free than spare an innocent? 200? 500? At some point the analogy breaks down and I don't see how anything is illuminated.

                          [–]greenshrubbery 20ポイント21ポイント  (2子コメント)

                          There is no limit. "Freedom for all who deserve it" not "freedom for all who deserve it minus some people with shitty luck."

                          [–]irate_wizard 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          No court of justice is absolutely perfect. There is this concept of "beyond a reasonable doubt".

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                                  [–]LaSombra315 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  They would have to be repeat offenders with the victims undergoing medical exams.

                                  [–]Hatsee 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                  Someone needs to ask them if they mean that because one of the best ways is group therapy and rehabilitation after the fact. Here in Canada they've been cutting those sorts of programs for some stupid reason.

                                  [–]DeafDumbBlindBoy 6ポイント7ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                  What does it really solve though, even if the accused is actually guilty? How is it any different than cutting off the hand of a thief, as groups like ISIS are doing? It's not a humane policy, more like a vindictve and deliberately frustrating public shaming of a person who, it needs to be stressed, had better be proven guilty beyond any shadow of a doubt. If there's a matchbook's width of doubt then it cannot be carried out.

                                  If shaming is the point, why not just rebuild the public stocks? Produce vendors could then sell slightly off fruit and vegetables to passers by, and at least then there would be a policy that might benefit the local economy.

                                  [–]xSolcii 7ポイント8ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                  But it's a pill and it can be reversed. It's nothing at all like cutting the hands of a thief. They won't be cutting pedophiles' testicles or dicks or vaginas.

                                  Edit: I don't agree with what they want to do, but people are saying "chemical castration" = castration and it's not.

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                                      [–]cookdd 46ポイント47ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                      Why not send all the criminals to an island away.....Nevermind

                                      [–]An_Image_Of_Mohammed 314ポイント315ポイント  (130子コメント)

                                      This was tried with homosexuality as well.

                                      It's a futile and incorrect road.

                                      Remember Alan Turing?

                                      [–]Chaoslab 57ポイント58ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                      A great loss to humanity and mathematics.

                                      [–]shitshitredditsaysre 73ポイント74ポイント  (23子コメント)

                                      Your comment has been linked to on /r/shitredditsays using a non-np link. This can result in harassment and brigading, contrary to this rule.

                                      https://archive.is/mKzKC

                                      [–]blackhawk767 88ポイント89ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                      God that fucking sub is toxic

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                                      Why isn't that sub banned, I have no idea.

                                      [–]PunxTatto 19ポイント20ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                      Because the admins love them. Something about an admin being a mod there. But they are entertaining idiots. There is literally nothing they wont get offended by.

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                                        [–]Bazza15 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        Isn't the point of the sub to post "shit reddit says"?

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                                        Wow, each and every one of them missed the point of his post

                                        [–]NatesTag 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        fatpeoplehate gets banned, and yet these cunts are still around. I guess it pays to infiltrate the mod staff.

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                                        Disgusting. I hate srs. Bunch of fat acceptance SJWs who "know better" than us.

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                                          [–]MaxFreedomMoussa 5ポイント6ポイント  (17子コメント)

                                          In this particular case they would be using completely reversible methods, you're scaremongering here. Totally different scenarios.

                                          [–]NixonForBreadsident 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                          You know Turings drugs were reversible too, right?

                                          You do understand the severe side effects of these drugs is the issue, right?

                                          You get that cruel and unusual punishment isn't magically justified because "hurr its okay we can reverse it later", right?

                                          [–]ImANewRedditor 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                          If it's reversible, what's the point?

                                          [–]wisdom_possibly 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          It's "reversible", but no one will let it be reversed. Might as well cut off his balls.

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                                            [–]An_Image_Of_Mohammed 2ポイント3ポイント  (9子コメント)

                                            I was not trying to scaremonger. I was trying to be opposed and cautionary.

                                            If someone wanted to try hormonal therapy or chemical castration or shock therapy or whatever, then as long as it's not morbid or mortal, then that is their choice.

                                            To "sentence" someone to forced chemical castration (or whatever) seems counterproductive, especially if there is really no proven benefit (the "patient" is cured) or the side effects are not bearable.

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                                                [–]Logitech0 53ポイント54ポイント  (19子コメント)

                                                Consdering the man that almost ended in prison for pedophilia due a selfie with a Darth Vader poster...

                                                [–]kaisawheel 18ポイント19ポイント  (12子コメント)

                                                Did he actually almost end up in prison though?

                                                I thought it was just some bitchy Mom who got mad and posted his face all over with a bullshit story, I didn't think he was ever even arrested let alone close to convicted or imprisoned.

                                                [–]Logitech0 30ポイント31ポイント  (11子コメント)

                                                No prison, but the bitchy mom almost ruined the life of a poor dad...

                                                [–]Periscopia 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                SHE should have done prison time, if she actually accused him of criminal activity.

                                                [–]kaisawheel 10ポイント11ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                                Oh, well I agree with you on that. But I mean, real authorities never took it seriously so saying he "almost ended in prison for pedophilia" is kind of a stretch since it was just a bitch posting shit on Facebook.

                                                [–]Esnim 4ポイント5ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                                It spread like wildfire. I think it was even on TV.

                                                [–]kaisawheel 3ポイント4ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                Yes, yes it did.

                                                But claiming that he almost ended up in prison for pedophilia is hyperbole.

                                                [–]jwyche005 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                I agree but he did have his life royally fucked up.

                                                [–]kaisawheel 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                Yeah, it was retarded.

                                                He was pretty classy about it though.

                                                [–]Esnim 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                I did not say that though

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                                                  [–]DDBB4LYF 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                  He was never charged with a crime. How is that almost ending up in prison?

                                                  [–]WirelessRage 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                  Say what? When was this?

                                                  [–]DeathWalkingTerror 20ポイント21ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                  A man from Melbourne, Australia took a selfie with a cutout of Darth Vader back in May. He apparently had some kids walk up to the cutout and told them that he'd be going in a minute if they wanted to take a picture too.

                                                  Their mother saw him talking to the kids, took his picture and posted it to Facebook, calling him a "creep."

                                                  He was never charged with anything and never "almost ended [up] in prison." He was just libeled by some woman on the internet.

                                                  [–]isdnpro 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                  OK, how about this one then

                                                  An Ipswich man has only narrowly avoided jail for downloading graphic cartoon porn images featuring child characters from The Simpsons and The Powerpuff Girls television shows.

                                                  The 28-year-old former security guard was handed a 12-month suspended prison sentence and is now a registered sex offender

                                                  [–]Gingor 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  Won't someone think about the drawings

                                                  [–]Skellum 136ポイント137ポイント  (189子コメント)

                                                  I enjoy how people dont seem to understand this does not actually castrate someone. It simply destroys sex drive for the time they're on the chemicals.

                                                  I cannot imagine how horrific it would be to be attracted to children and to have the opportunity to have that drive shut off for you must be a massive blessing. I fully support Depo shots to prevent attraction and drive especially when they're used as an alternative to prison.

                                                  Imprisoning someone for child diddling doesnt work. It simply makes them worse. Giving treatment and a safe means of ensuring they no longer want to fuck a child does help tremendously.

                                                  [–]dustlesswalnut 111ポイント112ポイント  (25子コメント)

                                                  I'm attracted to women and I have never raped one. There is a big difference between a pedophile (person attracted to young children) and a child rapist (person who has sexual contact with a child).

                                                  [–]skilliard4 14ポイント15ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                  Well this proposal by Australia is intended for sex offenders, so it technically you would have to be convicted of a crime first-however, Australia is really strict in this regard, as they'll incarcerate people for simply looking at a comic/drawing that would depict a fictional character that appears to be underage in a sexual way. I hope that if they go the route of enforced chemical castration, they reserve it only for the worst offenders that actually directly harm children.

                                                  [–]dustlesswalnut 23ポイント24ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  I'm not one to often cry slippery slope, but the potential for this to turn bad is just so incredibly high that even considering it seems extremely dangerous.

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                                                    [–]MRML96 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                    I hate how this article uses paedophile and child sex offender synonymously

                                                    [–]Fukkthisgame 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                    The big problem with that argument is that it's possible to have sex with a woman consentually. Not so much with a pre-pubescent child. So it is quite a bit different. You are totally right that there is a huge difference. I'm sure there are plenty of paedophiles who aren't bad people, and don't act on their attractions despite the temptation because they know morally and logically that it's incredibly damaging and unfair to the child they would be hurting. If chemical castration is a temporary and reasonably-priced treatment, it should be readily available to peadophiles in all countries, not just here. I think it would probably help curb incidents of sexual child abuse.

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                                                      [–]99879001903508613696 37ポイント38ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                      There are side effects and long-lasting effects to treatment.

                                                      Forcing it on pedophiles because society hates them isn't justifiable unless you force it on all repeat offender sexual assaulters of all sexual orientations.

                                                      I have no love for those who commit crimes against others, but at the same time, I cannot accept different treatment based on sexual orientation.

                                                      [–]Skellum 15ポイント16ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                      The choice is prison or depo because you diddled a kid. Not because society hates you but because currently your predatory danger to an innocent is non-curable and the only options are to shelter society from you or ensure the maximum safety of others.

                                                      [–]ohgeronimo 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                      the only options are to shelter society from you or ensure the maximum safety of others.

                                                      You said that, they said the following. They're making the point of saying it should be similar for other cases to ensure the maximum safety of others, and that if not done so the justification for doing it to only one group seems biased, or society hates them.

                                                      isn't justifiable unless you force it on all repeat offender sexual assaulters of all sexual orientations.

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                                                        [–]VomisA12 53ポイント54ポイント  (125子コメント)

                                                        Pedophile here (non-offending!). Just chiming in to say no, chemical castration is completely unnecessary, and quite frankly horrible. There are dangerous side affects and it has been compared to chemo.

                                                        Further, chemical castration doesn't remove the attraction to children, it only kills sex drive, it is a temporary 'solution' and would absolutely not stop an offender from abusing if they wanted to. And to be clear, it does not shut off the "drive", it merely weakens it.

                                                        Your point of view is coming from a good place, but to define chemical castration as a blessing is a little fucked up. It is only a blessing for people who willfully ignore scientific consensus on the issue and want to appear 'tough on pedophiles' for reelection.

                                                        I'll say, chemical castration is as helpful for pedophiles as small pox blankets were for Native Americans. Sure maybe it could help some in the beginning, but it's deadly the longer you use it. There are much better solutions.

                                                        [–]MUSTY_Radio_Control 27ポイント28ポイント  (63子コメント)

                                                        You're a non-offending pedophile, which leads me to believe that you dont want to be the way you are. Hypothetically speaking, if there was a switch that you could flip to turn off all of your attractions towards children, would you flip it?

                                                        [–]tossaway_fortoday 35ポイント36ポイント  (13子コメント)

                                                        Throwaway obviously, but YES. In a heartbeat. I would never, EVER harm a child and I never chose to be the way I am, but I hate and am disgusted with myself every day for it. Even though no one in my life knows about my attractions, you have no idea how much it has negatively impacted my life. It's not easy hating yourself and not being able to tell anyone why.

                                                        If it were as simple as flipping a switch to turn it off, I would absolutely go for it. Chemical castration seems barbaric though especially considering the side effects. As much as I despise myself for being the way I am, I would not opt for it.

                                                        [–]things_i_dont_like 21ポイント22ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                        Also a throw away....

                                                        "Oh, you're depressed and hate yourself. You should talk to a therapist and try to work that out."

                                                        Yeah, except I can't explain to him or her why I hate myself. I can skirt around the issue, but even therapists don't want to deal with you.

                                                        Suicide often seems like a good option, but I can't go through with it.

                                                        [–][deleted] 4ポイント5ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                        Not a throwaway.

                                                        Am I allowed to not hate myself? It's rare to find someone who says they're a pedophile and doesn't follow up with 'but I hate myself, obviously.'

                                                        For years, I tried to ignore the urges, and it really fucked up my head. Like there was a voice that kept telling me I liked kids. I was afraid to go near children. I'd occasionally freeze up. But I made friends online with people (my age) who accepted that they were pedos. They didn't offend, they satisfied their urges with shota and such. And they were relatively happy. So I did the same. And now I'm relatively happy.

                                                        I like kids, and I like myself. I don't know if I'd want to 'turn it off.' I'm afraid everyone thinks that somehow that makes me an asshole.

                                                        [–]LondonCallingYou 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                        Please go seek help.

                                                        [–]soar 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                        The fact that you know it's wrong but wouldn't turn it off anyway makes you a fucking idiot.

                                                        [–]ULTRAFORCE 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                        Just a question what would you suggest one as a way for those who are pedophelic to do to prevent offenses as well as what do you believe is a proper punishment for those who rape people who happen to be below the age of consent? Sorry if this is a very personal topic for you, as a person who has a thing wrongfully called a disorder I do not always word my feelings or questions in the best way for ones feelings.

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                                                            [–]trognus 37ポイント38ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                            The problem is that's not what the shot does

                                                            [–]adminslikefelching 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                            Imagining myself in that position, if there were no side effects, i would flip it. But if there were, i wouldn't. I think that's the point he is trying to make.

                                                            [–]dustlesswalnut 5ポイント6ポイント  (20子コメント)

                                                            You think that because he hasn't raped any kids, he doesn't want to be attracted to them?

                                                            How many men have never raped a woman, and how many women have never raped a man, despite being attracted to them? (Hint: most.)

                                                            [–]LOTM42 6ポイント7ポイント  (19子コメント)

                                                            There's ways to act on that attraction without it being rape tho, that's not true for pedophiles

                                                            [–]dustlesswalnut 6ポイント7ポイント  (18子コメント)

                                                            Sure there are. Erotic literature, role-playing with consenting adults. I'm sure there are other ways.

                                                            [–]VomisA12 2ポイント3ポイント  (19子コメント)

                                                            To be honest, no I wouldn't. Not once in my life have I ever felt I was a danger to children. I know I won't abuse a child and pedophilia has shaped a lot of my identity, so turning it off would only feel like a rejection of the self. Even though it has only really made my life more difficult, pedophilia is a part of me, and I've accepted it.

                                                            I would definitely flip a switch to make me attracted to people my age as well though.

                                                            [–]verstehst 28ポイント29ポイント  (15子コメント)

                                                            '(Flipping that switch) would feel like a rejection of the self.'

                                                            What? Okay. This is where I need clarification, as a young guy who's always struggled with concepts of identity.

                                                            Isn't the 'self' something that's supposed to be rejected sometimes? We assess who we are, look at what we don't like about ourselves, and try to improve?

                                                            [–]VomisA12 3ポイント4ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                            Well, pedophilia has made me who I am. You may see it as a wholly negative thing, but it's not so black and white. Overall it has made my life harder, but (as hard as it is to believe) I think it has also made me a more empathetic and conscientious person. It has made question everything and pressured me to consider my own biases, and others biases. And I imagine it has also made my life a lot more interesting than it would have been otherwise.

                                                            But to put it like this, I know I'm not going to abuse a child, and I've accepted that I'm not going to have a satisfying sex life. What does it matter if I have the attraction or not? Either I'm a pedophile or I flip the hypothetical switch and become asexual. Right now at least I already know what being a pedophile is like.

                                                            [–]verstehst 13ポイント14ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                            I used to be fat. My experiences being fat made me who I am. But I recognized it as an area in which I could improve, so I lost weight.

                                                            The main place this analogy falls off is in the antecedent of the third sentence, because most people don't think you can change your sexuality. But in a hypothetical that accounts for that, I would think that it would be more straightforward.

                                                            Related note- what are your thoughts on the fluidity of sexuality? Can someone change who they're attracted to? Are fetishes and 'deviancies' something you're born with? Or are they just the result of , like, unintentional Pavlovian conditioning?

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                                                                [–]UneasySeabass 14ポイント15ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                People are already linked to studies showing Chem castration reduces recidivism from 75% to 2%

                                                                [–]Skellum 7ポイント8ポイント  (31子コメント)

                                                                want to appear 'tough on pedophiles' for reelection.

                                                                I think those people are the ones that say we should gas them all, kill them, or ensure they never leave prison. I'm in the crowed that wants treatment, which wont work since it's a 'philia, and a way to properly ensure there's a far less great chance that the behavior happens.

                                                                I think if you're an offending pedophile that there should always be a dual option of prison or psychiatric help plus Depo. The case being that most places in the world have only 1 option for offending pedophiles and that's incarceration at best.

                                                                [–]GenocideSolution 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                Are you be willing to provide me anecdotal evidence for my vaguely defined psychology hypothesis? I hypothesize that in pedophile brains, the circuitry for "cuteness" recognition is miswired onto sexual recognition circuitry. Have you ever felt sexual attraction toward small animals or other generically cute things? For example, does this scene make you feel aroused?

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                                                                  [–]MonsterBlash 11ポイント12ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                  If it's so harmless, it could be given to young boys so they concentrate on their studies instead of chasing tail. Pretty sure it doesn't "simply destroys sex drive".

                                                                  [–]intensely_human 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                  If it's so "harmless", let's make it over-the-counter and let people take it at will.

                                                                  [–]MonsterBlash 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                  Getting an hitch in your dry spell, about to drop everything to get laid? No need, pop a pill, don't worry about wanting sex ever!

                                                                  [–]DorianLord 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                  Imprisoning someone for child diddling doesnt work.

                                                                  It works really well if you keep them there.

                                                                  [–]Rephaite 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                  I don't think "alternative to prison" is morally acceptable. If you don't think someone is culpable for future attraction, but that attraction makes them a threat to others, that's what involuntary commitment is for. Offer chemical castration as an alternative to involuntary commitment.

                                                                  But we should not be punishing the nonculpable for refusing treatment, and we should not be early releasing the culpable simply because they have accepted treatment.

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                                                                    [–]AnnonMiss 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                    There's a difference between pedophiles and child molesters.

                                                                    [–]99879001903508613696 54ポイント55ポイント  (21子コメント)

                                                                    Unless it is willful, this is an abuse of rights. Pedophilia is now believed to be innate and unchangeable. It is closer to sexual orientation than curable disease state.

                                                                    Pedophilia also doesn't mean kid diddling. It is an attraction to kids. Not all pedophiles are molesters. We don't even know the incidence as pedophiles are not even willing to discuss this attraction with loved ones or therapists.

                                                                    Not related completely, but all adults should have option for chemical castration. It is very difficult to find doc willing to do it if you are not older, even if you want to be asexual. You get referred to CBT in hopes they can "fix" you instead of just doing the fucking treatment.

                                                                    [–]kaisawheel 25ポイント26ポイント  (12子コメント)

                                                                    The article specifies that it would be used on sex offenders to reduce recidivism. They aren't proposing to go out and screen everyone for pedophilia and drug them all.

                                                                    [–]ChromeWeasel 48ポイント49ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                    Australian will charge you with as a pedophile for having less than ten cartoon images of Simpsons and Pokemon characters.

                                                                    Australia needs to get its act together.

                                                                    [–]Bloke_Named_Bob 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                    That magistrate is one incredibly dumb motherfucker. She clearly has no fucking idea how the internet works, useless cunt.

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                                                                      [–]dustlesswalnut 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                      They aren't proposing to go out and screen everyone for pedophilia and drug them all.

                                                                      For now.

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                                                                        [–]clow_reed 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                        CBT

                                                                        I hope you mean Cognitive behavioral therapy rather than "cock and ball torture"....

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                                                                          [–]Thisbymaster 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                          My question is, is it effective? Sound better than paying for jail.

                                                                          [–]Scifilt 45ポイント46ポイント  (74子コメント)

                                                                          Castration doesn't work if the pedophile is offending because they have a mental/emotional issue that leads them to harm children.

                                                                          [–]relationshipdownvote 91ポイント92ポイント  (52子コメント)

                                                                          chemical castration decreases the occurrence of repeat offenses from 75% to 2%.

                                                                          [–]IWantToBeAProducer 37ポイント38ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                          Huh. Not what I expected.

                                                                          [–]DDBB4LYF 31ポイント32ポイント  (24子コメント)

                                                                          "Well, it doesn't 100% solve the problem, so we shouldn't even try"- Average /r/news user.

                                                                          [–]Scifilt 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                          TIL: chemical castration decreases the occurrence of repeat offenses from 75% to 2%.

                                                                          [–]Kaotikid 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                          your source links to a community college piece that no longer exists.

                                                                          til: you can get reddit to believe anything if you say theres a source since reddit is too lazy to actually check said source.

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                                                                            [–]dog_damn[S] 13ポイント14ポイント  (19子コメント)

                                                                            If their crimes are due to sexual desires then it should help, though if their crimes comes from sadistic desires then you are right. As far as I know pedophile originate in sexual desires and not sadistic ones.

                                                                            [–]cresstynuts 22ポイント23ポイント  (10子コメント)

                                                                            Eugenics has always been a viable solution for most problems. Heil!

                                                                            [–]Yancy_Farnesworth 10ポイント11ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                                                            It's only Eugenics if they can't have kids. Chemical castration does not destroy your ability to have children.

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                                                                              [–]WhiskeyCup[🍰] 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                              As far as I know...

                                                                              Yes let's all make important descisions based on hunches and not bother doing research.

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                                                                                  [–]WengFu 13ポイント14ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                  This was what they used to do to gay men

                                                                                  [–]uphighabove 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                  Someone I know worked at a place called DFATS a couple of years ago which is a community based rehabilitation facility in Melbourne for intellectually disabled sex offenders. The department of human services already had some of the residents chemically castrated who were too intellectually disabled to give consent.

                                                                                  [–]Kaotikid 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                  Daily reminder, australian law considers drawn pictures of make believe characters be "child porn". It also considered real adult women who have small breasts to be "child porn". Clearly there will be no innocent people castrated in such a legal environment.

                                                                                  [–]PropaCanadaPanda 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                  This is grotesque and lowers the ethical and moral standing of any government who engages in such barbarism. Its medieval.

                                                                                  [–]MarcusWilliamsII 7ポイント8ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                                  Forced chemical castration is a sad chapter of human history.

                                                                                  [–]A_Single_AID 11ポイント12ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                                  New South Wales Justice Minister Troy Grant said, ‘One of the worrying statistics that came out of our investigation is that up to 17 per cent of child sex offenders are likely to reoffend in two years.

                                                                                  Kinda low, compared to recidivism rates for other (non-harmless) crimes.

                                                                                  [–]Periscopia 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                  That sounds more like the percent who will admit to, or get caught reoffending. Many large studies have found that child molesters have an astronomically high recidivism rate.

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                                                                                    [–]ThePenultimateOne 8ポイント9ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                                                    You know who else got chemically castrated for a sex "crime"? Alan fucking Turing. If it weren't for him, we wouldn't be living in the modern era (ie, no computing machines), WWII would have lasted several more years, and millions more would have died. And that was the thanks he got from the British government, followed by suicide.

                                                                                    I can't think of a better example of why chemical castration is a barbarous thing that should never, never, be done, even if the person is guilty. And if they aren't? What then?

                                                                                    [–]fidsah 14ポイント15ポイント  (21子コメント)

                                                                                    Australia, shining beacon of civilization and freedom. Everyone always says the US needs to be more like them, and I've always disagreed. I guess I'll just have to continue disagreeing.

                                                                                    [–]treebard127 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                    You already have laws like this is some U.S. States. Meanwhile it probably won't even go ahead over here.

                                                                                    What now?

                                                                                    [–]AT_thruhiker 5ポイント6ポイント  (15子コメント)

                                                                                    Pretty sure not everyone says that. Austrailia is not progressive in a lot of ways.

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                                                                                      [–]dustlesswalnut 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                      Pedophiles, or pedophile rapists?

                                                                                      [–]scdi 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                      Or pedophile cartoon watchers.

                                                                                      Go look up people put in prison for lolicon images.

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                                                                                        [–]3Dubs 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                        this is cruel and unusual, bottom line.

                                                                                        [–]tsunami845 13ポイント14ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                                                        This just in on the war on mental issues.

                                                                                        [–]I_are_facepalm 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                        Chemistry: it gives and takes away.

                                                                                        [–]Loki-L 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                        Hasn't this been suggested time and again and always i came down to the idea that if the paedophile volunteered for it, it was probably okay, but forcing it on people would be very, very wrong.

                                                                                        Also everyone seemed to agree that it wouldn't help much, as those drives can be much deeper rooted than the perpetrators testicles.

                                                                                        (There is also the question of how this policy could be applied fairly on non-male offenders, but let us not go into that right now.)

                                                                                        [–]jabberwockxeno 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                        One of the worrying statistics that came out of our investigation is that up to 17 per cent of child sex offenders are likely to reoffend in two years.

                                                                                        That doesn't seem like a lot to me, I bet that's a lot lower then re-occurrence rates for other crimes.

                                                                                        [–]selenta 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                        Keep trying Australia, maybe one day you can be the worst country in the world.

                                                                                        [–]whowatches 11ポイント12ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                                                                        ITT: A bunch of people with no idea what chemical castration is defending pedophiles from it anyways.

                                                                                        Usual day on reddit I suppose.

                                                                                        [–]OneDoesNotSimplyPass 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                        I'm glad that this treatment sounds safe, reversible, and has a high success rate with helping save the lives from offending pedophiles.

                                                                                        However, as a non-offending pedophile, this sounds like a nightmare. Just being punished by a state, by people for something I never controlled. To be deprived of any and all sexual "feelings"- the hormonal interactions that the sex drive has. Yes, they're sick. But the feeling that a person could just decide that they don't like that I was born a certain way, with a certain illness that I can clearly control, and immediately remove any inclinations of sex my body has.

                                                                                        I'm more comfortable suffering with this illness on my own, forcing myself not to act on sexual urges and repressing them, as long as I can feel that integral aspect of humanity that I have to repress.

                                                                                        This probably sounds like pro-pedo shit. It's not. I know I'm sick. And I believe that judging by the statistics that chemical castration is a safe method of removing much of the threat from offenders. I know that it's fucked up, and I know how fragile children are. I'm under no illusions that these people are anything less than monsters that fell to temptation and thus ended up destroying a child, a persons life.

                                                                                        I just hope that this remains a punishment for offenders...and not for non-offending pedophiles. Thinking about having pills shoved my throat when I've done nothing wrong sends cold shivers down my spine.

                                                                                        [–]forgetfulnoodles 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                        Ok. Ignoring all the other issues raised here I have been wondering something about this for a long time. What could the psychological effects of chemically castrating a pedophile be? Say you could just "turn off" their sex drive, could that lead to more extreme behavior? Could the inability to perceive their attraction to children sexually lead to more extreme desires such as wanting to kill or torture children because sexual abuse is no longer an option? Maybe I sound stupid. I am clearly no expert. But ever since I saw something about chemical castration of pedophiles on fb I have had this question.

                                                                                        [–]relationshipdownvote 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                        What could the psychological effects of chemically castrating a pedophile be?

                                                                                        We've been chemically and surgically castrating sex offenders for centuries. It doesn't turn them in to monsters. It doesn't stop some of them from continuing to offend, but it stops the vast majority.

                                                                                        [–]Balrogic3 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                        Chemical castration of rapists is iffy, as some will continue to engage in predatory behavior including sexual assault with implements. Chemical castration of people that have enough self-control to not rape is criminal.

                                                                                        [–]thorgod99 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                        People do not seem understand that chemical castration is temporary and not a physical thing. All it does is decrease libido greatly while on the drug.

                                                                                        [–]TiredPaedo 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                        It can also cause bone density problems and other lifelong health issues.

                                                                                        It's something to be considered as treatment but not forced as punishment.

                                                                                        Especially when you appreciate the frequency of false convictions.

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                                                                                          [–]ChromeWeasel 4ポイント5ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                                                          Its worth noting that Australia considers it too close to pedophilia to look at adult women with small breasts.

                                                                                          [–]Bloke_Named_Bob 7ポイント8ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                                          This has been misrepresented over and over. The ban was on pornography that specifically left the age of the girl vague and implied she could be under age.

                                                                                          The "Bans small boobs" headline was a result of the media playing chinese whispers with the story until they completely lost the plot.

                                                                                          [–]soggyindo 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                          Internet myth

                                                                                          [–]-Chakas- 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                          People need to realize that pedophile =/= child molester.

                                                                                          [–]lonewolf227z 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                          Have them handle receipt paper, that stuff will make you go sterile if you handle it enough, no joke. Call me names or whatever, but seriously, look into how quickly it's chemicals absorb through skin.

                                                                                          [–]cock_pussy_up 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                          I feel like the government will go crazy with this bullshit. Sure, if you have a Jerry Sandusky running around a fucking 9 year old boys up the ass, they could castrate him (although putting him in prison for life works just as well). But then they arrest a 17 year old for having sex with his 15 yo gf, call him a paedophile and chemically castrate him. Then they raise the age of consent to 25 and start calling men who have sex with 24 yo's "pedos" and chemically castrate them. Finally, they start arrested teenage boys who masturbate for sexually molesting themselves, charge them with self-child molestation, and have them castrated too.

                                                                                          [–]Mutt1223 2ポイント3ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                                                                          Yeah, this will help because pedos can only molest kids using their genitals.

                                                                                          Edit: I have, once again, been proven to be a moron. As has been explained to me, chemical castration is about reducing libido and not about depriving sickos of the tools of their trade.

                                                                                          [–]TheSepticSkeptic 12ポイント13ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                                          Isn't it also to mitigate their sexual drive as a whole? I'd be surprised if it was "you molested a child, OFF WITH YOUR BALLS!"

                                                                                          [–]D_DM7_D7_G_Gm_D_E_A 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                          Well I'm not defending chemical castration but it's more about messing with their libido than their actual genitals. (although I'm also not really against it either. I'm reserving my judgement as I don't know enough about it).

                                                                                          [–]iushciuweiush 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                          I can't believe this comment has 11 likes. Did google stop existing suddenly?

                                                                                          [–]msafonte 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                          Would this drug work on female pedophiles or just males? most people only think of men molesting children, but women do it as well.

                                                                                          [–]Martinleeds 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                          Welcome to the monkey house.

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