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discussionDiscussion: Why do you believe? (self.aliens)

Bennypp が 投稿

Before you ridicule me, everything I state I don't accept as 100% fact, I don't believe Obama is a reptilian, aliens built the pyramids, the moon is a death star or any of that. I'm talking about the most realistic reports and history we can observe.

So here's why I believe, for several reasons:

  • A long documented history -

Contrary to popular belief, the UFO/Alien phenomena actually predates Roswell! There are countless accounts and depictions throughout history, sometimes eerily similar stories/writings/artwork in civilisations that never had contact. Now, although a lot of this can be attributed to that cultures religion, I think religion possibly stems from a combination of a misinterpretation of extraterrestrials and a personification of nature - I know the latter is true, which in turn could explain the countless similarities by itself.

  • A statistical likelihood -

I think most people would agree that there is no chance we are alone in this universe. Where aliens become a debate is generally not about their existence, but about their ability and the possibility of them travelling to our planet.

  • Government dedication to study and public ridicule -

During the 50's UFO's were becoming a huge topic. Obviously after the Roswell crash public attention was at an all time high - Also post WW2, countries were on edge, and thus monitoring their air space, which is where the UFO boom steps in. We're talking 1000's of reports per month, dedicated government teams to investigate witnesses and process these reports. I mean we don't have government officials that go out and investigate bigfoot sightings, or hunt ghosts, or interrogate people who claimed to see Jesus - Yet for some reason, UFO's are dumped within that same category of "make-believe" - Think about that. If they are all a lie/hoax, then why the huge effort? This is where the government has done it's job. It has painted witnesses as crazy and is quick to dismiss anything UFO related. This leads me to my next point. My SO's uncle was a high-ranking member of the Australian government, his work included spying and reconnaissance, and also, investigating UFO's and interrogating witnesses (Yes that is all I know, I wish I knew more) - So this for me is direct proof of government involvement. It does happen. Although, like I said, this could be to simply monitor other aircraft foreign countries have. Yet...I don't believe that is the case.

  • Further on that last point, we have a mass of overly credible witness accounts -

Pilots, astronauts, government officals etc etc. UFO reports don't just come from rednecks.

Here's a list

So what, in your opinion, is the smoking gun?

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[–]kqt65720 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

Honestly, my only reason for believing it is the enormous list of credible sources coupled with the recent intergovernmental UFO disclosures 2 years ago in Canada. Before that I was just entertaining the thought and left it as a "plausible reality". Now I am inclined to believe it. I want to clarify that my belief does not translate into absolute knowledge on the matter. I can believe something without ever knowing it.

[–]Bennypp[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Cool. Is the disclosure you're talking about from that former minister of defence?

[–]kqt65720 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

He was part of it, yes. But I was referring to the conference in 2013 at Toronto or something like that

[–]purple_urkle 2ポイント3ポイント  (5子コメント)

Every single script for Stargate SG1 was approved by the US Airforce. There was going to be a Stargate video game that was cancelled during the time Fallout 3 was in development. Fallout 3's DLC Mothership Zeta is probably legally distinct but nonetheless significantly similar to much of the content in SG1. Fallout New Vegas has aliens and a downed space ship in the same area where Major Charles Hall claims to have seen such a sight in the 1960s. There are giant mantises in another area of that game where Major Charles Hall claims to have seen aliens.

All of these stories overlap so much that it really seems like they should be fighting over copyright and intellectual property violations in court. Yet they are not.

[–]zeuph 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

There's a long list of movies that had a presence from CIA telling them how to form the plot etc. E.T was one of them, there's a lot and very common. Just wanted to add that to your first point. :)

[–]AlwaysBeNice 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Can you link me to more of this?

[–]zeuph 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I am not very well read up on the subject but I think this is a place to start. :)

I also found this after the wikipedia page.

The model for this is the defence department's "open" but barely publicised relationship with Hollywood. The Pentagon, for decades, has offered film-makers advice, manpower and even hardware - including aircraft carriers and state-of-the-art helicopters. All it asks for in exchange is that the US armed forces are made to look good. So in a previous Scott film, Black Hawk Down, a character based on a real-life soldier who had also been a child rapist lost that part of his backstory when he came to the screen.

[–]Bennypp[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

So you're saying that there is purposely placed subliminal evidence in TV shows and video games?

[–]purple_urkle 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's not a secret that Stargate SG1 is military propaganda.

It's just very strange, to me, that there could be so much overlap and no lawsuits. They are very large series, each. It takes many multiple hours to understand all of the ways they are similar.

It's as if some company made a widely popular video game about "Slugs Bunny" a grey rabbit with the catchphrase "Hey doc!" and someone else wrote some books about his encounters with a gray rabbit named "Mugs Bunny" who always greeted the author with "Howdy Doc"; yet Warner Bros doesn't even send strongly worded emails to either party for the similarities between their characters and Bugs Bunny?

It's weird.

[–]ArdRi_ 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

The total perspective vortex.

I read The Ultimate Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy at the ripe young age of 11.

This caught my attention and has stuck with me ever since.

Space is big. Really big. You just won’t believe how vastly hugely mindbogglingly big it is. I mean you may think it’s a long way down the road to the chemist’s, but that’s just peanuts to space.

Oh the total perspective vortex, next time your in the shower close your eyes and let the water beat down on your face. Imagine each individual droplet of water hitting your face. Then imagine how little water is beating down upon you in comparison to all of the water you use in a year. Imagine how much you will use in your lifetime. Imagine how little that is in comparison to all of the water on the planet. Now think about people, your just like one of the droplets hitting your face. Imagine how many you know, how many you have seen, all the people in your country, continent, the world. Keep going until you run out of things to scale up to. You I and virtually everyone on this chunk of rock is pretty insignificant.

Perspective.

[–]orlin002 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Alien implants- They've been found in countless people. We acknowledge that they are a technological design that is more advanced than anything we are able to create. And, we have no way to recreate their implantation-they are found often to be inserted with no damage to the body.

Mass sightings and close encounters- like that incident with the school children in Africa where they encountered an alien craft and an alien who communicated with them.

Alien abduction reports- these things seem to happen to a substantial amount of the human population. People seem to have been abducted by at least several distinct organizational groups of alien people. There seems to be a wide array of objectives between these groups: Some seem to be studying human genetics and interbreeding, some seem to be generally monitoring the health of the greater population, some seem to be hard at work trying to still discover how to put a stop to death by trying to fully understand what a 'soul' is and how it functions, some are busy trying to preserve biological specific species from earth and even reintroduce species to earth, some are actively involved in continuing the evolution (both social and biological) of humans on earth as they have been doing for centuries, some have themselves concerned with more trivial things like exploring earth's geological history and/or recovering valuable things ('artifacts', minerals, etc.) from the earth.

Ultimately they are doing all kinds of different things, just like how each Human does something different in their own society.

Roswell + the bodies, Eisenhower, and all those other Roswell-like places/incidents for obvious reasons.

[–]firetaucayenne 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I do still believe quite solidly that extraterrestrial life exists. The only problem is that I don't know if it exists. There is a large body of semi-evidence that makes a pretty convincing story that ETs both exist and have visited us in the past and into the present day. The list of people qualified to make statements as such and have actually made those statements certainly makes me pause and wonder about the actual existence, instead of just my belief. But in the end it kind of just boils down to this. I believe ETs are out there and won't be surprised when/if they are revealed in my lifetime. But I won't know 100% for sure if they're out there until I experience them. This could be a massive media unveiling and classic "disclosure" scenario followed by a period of continued contact/interaction, or it could be a visitation/abduction, or it could even be many years in the future we discover a planet with intelligent life on it. I'm not sure how or why ETs will be revealed, I just believe it will happen.

[–]R1ckster 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I believe that aliens have been visiting us for a long time. Maybe some have tampered with us and some haven't. I also think that the government doesn't know that much. They know something is up, but they don't know anything. So it's not that they don't want to tell us.. It's just, how pathetic would "yes there are aliens and no we have no idea of their intentions" sound? People would go crazy.

If there are a species of aliens that study us, there is almost guaranteed to be more than that. I mean to say, of other species that are intelligent and know of each other, and also know of life on earth. So maybe they have some kind of treaty not to tamper with societies that haven't reached a certain level of intelligence.

Heck, maybe were planet #671 on the list of planets with societies who reached a certain point of intelligence. It's so goddam interesting. We have historians who focus ONLY on Rome, or Greece, or maybe certain time periods. Imagine all the history an discoveries other societies on other planets.

[–]fanimalexploiters 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I had a tough childhood and didn't had human friends but animals. In this very unberable afternoon I can't explain but I'll describe as I felt and that I heard cause it was both, they sent me a message to look up. When I did I froze seeing this ship in the sky, just parked. Then they 'said' and I 'felt' the message that I'm not alone, they were checking up on me and whatever they did it encouraged me again at 11 for a few more years. Then I 'feel' they moved slightly to the left and then sped up to the right in such a speed when they turned right I only saw the tail so I would know they weren't a plane but specially that they were from outside.

At 27 I dreamed of when I lived in another planet, but only I can know how real it was and a memory.

For me there was never a question if they are real and I've seen space crafts other times, one time it was meant for me again. I called my friend to turn and he couldn't cause he was driving and he did only after a long while but when I looked it was gone, so this long, silvery like a silver that I never saw on Earth before was flying by close for a minute or a minute and a half but when he looks it just had disappeared.

[–]Rasta_Lance 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

I see them everyday

[–]Bennypp[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thanks for that insightful response...haha. Please elaborate.

[–]GrimeySavageShmurda -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

Rastafari is based off of the rebellion of the oppressed, I do not see how you feel it is socially and morally just to proclaim yourself as Rasta, it is a mockery of the belief. I think you're a retard who's just in it for the weed. Anyways, I really doubt you've ever seen an alien

[–]MahSelectah 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Good job on coming off like a dickhead without checking anything first.

[–]Rasta_Lance -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Lol I never said I was a rasta thus is just my Playstation name from years ago. And I see their ships on the daily. There more than one 1 race here, some have ships that look like stars but dance in weird directions, some are silver orbs that float around and vanish, some are just insanely fast objects flying over me, like only see it for a split second type of fast. Some are using cloaking devices and sit in the atmosphere but sometimes the clouds get stuck in their magnetic field or whatever field they are projecting and u can see the ships perfectly almost before the clouds dissapate. I'm sure I could think of more but ur comment was a little funny cuz u spent more time insulting my name then asking me questions or anything.

[–]DanBoone 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Umm, just look at the night sky.. lots of stars. Planets love stars, planets can house life forms, or aliens.

[–]Bennypp[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well yeh thats the statistical i mentioned. Not quite a smoking gun though

[–]AlwaysBeNice 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I have quite a few reasons why I belief in them famous cases, the list of testimonies from high status people (www.spaceflare.net), videos and pictures etc. but there has been one quite special experience for me that convinced me of Bashar/Darryl Anka. Wrote about it here: http://bashar-forum.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=7

[–]hashmon 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

I think the smoking gun is the DMT and ayahuasca experience. Anyone can encounter alien intelligence if they do it right.

I also think the Phoenix Lights UFO sighting and the Stephenville, Texas UFO sighting in 2006 are really strong cases, as well as the Rendlesham Forest incident.

[–]Bennypp[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

And have you? If so, how?

[–]hashmon 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, I've been fortunate to smoke DMT probably close to 100 times; it's been a big part of my life, and brought me my only legitimate paranormal experiences. Words don't come close to describing the experience, but I've very clearly encountered non-human intelligence and entities, and the experiences have been the most powerful of my life by a very long shot. I'm happy to tell you more about it and recommend books if you're interested, but here's a good documentary about the only formal study ever done on DMT: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LtT6Xkk-kzk

[–]no1113 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't believe. I know. And I know because 1) I, like many, have had anomalous experiences when young, and 2) the absolute mass of evidence out there can only be rejected by someone who is either very ignorant or in completely denial.