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[–]jas07 83ポイント84ポイント  (26子コメント)

Agreed this flag should not fly at any of the state capitals. We should take it down from any state building that is flying it. /s

[–]Snoop___Doge 13ポイント14ポイント  (1子コメント)

The president did recently post a picture of this flag superimposed over the White House on his official social media accounts, so...

[–]Sumner67 33ポイント34ポイント  (9子コメント)

and anywhere else. not on cars either. Oh and make sure we remove any statues of gay people and memorials.

[–]Agkistro13 17ポイント18ポイント  (7子コメント)

When I was in college the gay flag flew over the quad more days than the American flag, or so it seemed.

[–]Damn_Croissant 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

So wrong

[–]Agkistro13 -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

Maybe once upon a time. Nowadays, seems the American Flag is hate speech.

But what are you gonna do?

[–]MashersAndBangeds -4ポイント-3ポイント  (0子コメント)

So wrong

Sure he's most likely letting confirmation bias cloud his memory, but he did say "or so it seemed."

[–]tehForceReagan conservative 8ポイント9ポイント  (2子コメント)

No need for /s flag. That flag should not being flying on state building period.

[–]MonsieurMersault 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yeah, it's not. Hence the /s

[–]tehForceReagan conservative -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I love when the rest of Reddit get's their panties all in a bunch and come to visit Conservative. It let's me know that we've found the chord to strike and the button to push.

[–]Knightfall21 7ポイント8ポイント  (8子コメント)

Your missing the point. The post serves to show that liberal's argument against the Confederate flag is childish and silly, by pointing out this event was essentially the same as the Dylan Roof shooting with the opposite radical political argument, yet no one believes the flag is at fault. OP points out liberal hypocrisy and stupidity.

[–]iswantingcake 12ポイント13ポイント  (2子コメント)

the conservative flag

That's a Freudian slip if I've ever seen one. :P

[–]-dudeomfgstfux- 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

It shouldn't be waved in front of state capitols becuase this is the U.S.A not C.S.A., but it shouldn't be banned for people to fly wherever they want.

[–]RikaMX 17ポイント18ポイント  (8子コメント)

I quite don't get it because I don't know if the shooter was gay.

Was he?

[–]lloydlindsayyoung 31ポイント32ポイント  (6子コメント)

yes, he was, and he was using unsubstantiated claims that he was harassed and mocked by the victims for being gay.

another "victim" with a thin skin - if they can even prove the victims ever said two words to the guy about his gayness...

[–]RikaMX 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh ok now I get it.

Regardless they ever said something to him I don't care, murder is murder, but I get what you're saying.

[–]oisteink 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

He was a raving lunatic.

[–]tigerdrummer 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well now he's being mocked for entirely new, deserved reasons.

[–]tehForceReagan conservative 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

for being gay and for being black. and both sets of claims where unsubstantiated.

[–]joeysuf 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well if this has any merit then it shows the pussification that is going on.

[–]timtom45 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

he ran a bunch of gay porn websites

[–]Imbrius 38ポイント39ポイント  (2子コメント)

That would be a good analogy IF the rainbow flag represented a gay nation that enslaved straight people and killed hundreds of thousands of Americans in a war to keep heterosexuals in slavery.

And that decades later, when there was a struggle to integrate straight people into society, to allow them to use the same schools, restaurants, and stores as gay people, to allow them to vote, the rainbow flag became popular again as a symbol of opposition to that integration movement. (you do realize that the confederate flag became popular and was raised again in many southern capitols in the 1950s and 60s, in the midst of the integration battle).

But of course none of this happened so either that poster is being idiotic or dishonest.

[–]Jarod1231 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

The argument of what the flag stands for is not relevant. The argument is whether flags (Albeit Rainbow or Confederate) are responsible for the actions of people. Something which they are not. OP was highlighting hypocrisy through satire in suggesting the banning of the rainbow flag.

[–]Mindfulmanners 63ポイント64ポイント  (17子コメント)

Exposing left wing hypocrisy is one the better joys of life. Anything that can make them fall of their, medically induced, high horse and make them think past their emotionally driven rhetoric.

[–]mossman93Progressive 18ポイント19ポイント  (4子コメント)

There's no hypocrisy here. The women in the OP's post poorly argued the defense, but there's no hypocrisy. The man in OP's post (and most of the commenters in this post) are using a logical fallacy to draw a comparison between the two symbols.

[–]Jarod1231 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

There is no logical fallacy, the argument is whether flags are responsible for the actions of people. Whether you are talking about the rainbow flag or the confederate flag is simply not relevant. A flag is a piece of fabric, nothing more.

[–]Nible -3ポイント-2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Please elaborate. The girl hasn't said anything about the confederate flag, is that the only reason?

[–]tehForceReagan conservative 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

700+ upvotes and counting. This post sure touched a nerve.

[–]tigerdrummer 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

free medically induced*

[–]Agkistro13 -4ポイント-3ポイント  (3子コメント)

It's fun. But without any truly organized effort to systematically bring these problems to the attention of the world, what does it accomplish?

[–]Cannon1 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

Well, there are some of us who believe that we are over the falls already, and are prone to engage in some gallows humor. Drink your fill tonight for tomorrow we shall die.

[–]Agkistro13 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

You probably aren't wrong. Still though. Want to make them fight for every inch.

[–]JoleneAL 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

But one drop of water over time can wear away concrete.

[–]FDR_was_mehderp 38ポイント39ポイント  (60子コメント)

Almost a good argument.

The flag of N. Virginia was used to justify slavery. The LGBT flag was not. History matters to me and many others but you cons love revisionism.

[–]Jarod1231 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

The argument is whether flags (Rainbow or Confederate) are responsible for the actions of people. What the flag stands for is not relevant. You are changing the subject by arguing a point that is not relevant to the question.

Only question that is relevant: Is a piece of fabric with an image on it responsible for the actions of human beings?

[–]VulamondLibertarian Conservative 37ポイント38ポイント  (12子コメント)

The flag was never used to justify slavery, it was a standard to rally around. Flags don't justify anything. A cause can.

If you're going to make that argument, look at Bryce Williams's history. He bought his gun after the shooting in South Carolina because he was angry that that didn't start a race war. He claims to have been harassed by the evil white heterosexual people because of his race and sexuality. Does not the LGBT flag stand for his cause? He believed he was empowering his minority group.

This is very unlike the unwarranted desecration of graves that came about after the SC shooting because all of a sudden a flag is racist. The point is, you can't start banning things because it offends you or you don't agree with it. That's called totalitarianism.

[–]nevergetssarcasm 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Found Good Will Hunting.

[–]TheForce -4ポイント-3ポイント  (1子コメント)

It has been the choice symbol of violent racists ever since.

[–]VulamondLibertarian Conservative 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

And the choice symbol of proud Southerners. Are you willing to give up Liberty for some alleged safety?

[–]guganslof -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

As someone who grew up in South Carolina, I'm happy they took it down from the state house and then off the state house grounds. It shouldn't be part of the modern current South Carolina government.

That said, there's still plenty of people with it flown in their yards or as bumper stickers on their trucks, or worn as a shirt. I support that right.

[–]spenway18 13ポイント14ポイント  (2子コメント)

Thank you for calling it the flag of N. Virginia. I'm stickler about that one.

[–]qwertpoi 8ポイント9ポイント  (11子コメント)

History matters to me and many others but you cons love revisionism.

So you obviously must, then, find the Democratic Party to be absolutely terrible and their symbols to be deplorable GIVEN their history:

Democratic Politician Ben Tilman, circa 1905:

“I will say to the Senator, that as long as t he Negroes continue to ravish white women we will continue to lynch them.”

https://lincolncottage.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/benjamin-r-tilman-quotes-5.pdf

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Tillman#Disenfranchising_the_African_American:_1895_state_constitutional_convention

http://uncpress.unc.edu/browse/page/435

Democratic Party Slogan, circa 1868:

"This is a white man's country. Let white men rule."

http://digitalcollections.nypl.org/items/62a9d0e6-4fc9-dbce-e040-e00a18064a66

https://presidentialcampaignselectionsreference.wordpress.com/overviews/19th-century/1868-overview/

Democratic President Lyndon Baines Johnson, circa 1964:

"but I've got to prove it discriminates, and I can't prove that in Texas, there are more n***ers voting there than white folks..."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1rIDmDWSms

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/lyndon-johnson-civil-rights-racism

The 13th Amendment (the one that formally ended slavery) was opposed exclusively by Democratic politicians:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirteenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution#Passage_by_Congress

In 1964 the Democrats filibustered the Civil Rights Act for 84 days before it passed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1964#Political_repercussions

THAT is the history of the Democratic party. No revision required.

Shall we pursue a ban on imagery of the Democratic party because of its connections to slavery and racism? Or are you about to use the ol' "the party has changed since then" line?

If so, shall we then acknowledge that the meanings of symbols can change over time and can mean different things to different people, and thus the symbol itself is not the problem?

EH? If you love history so much, I want to hear your opinion as the Democratic party's history, and why we should tolerate the continued existence of a symbol of racism, slavery, and bigotry!

#denouncethedonkey

[–]iswantingcake 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

This is quite an interesting argument. I don't agree with you're saying though. I mean, it has changed since then; both parties have changed. Not that I'd call the Democratic Party of today progressive, but it's certainly moreso now. As you know from American history, the parties then might as well have have had entirely different names then. The two big parties are much more arbitrary in their name/symbolism than the Confederate Battle Flag. Also, if we go through the history of the Republican party, there's no doubt equally terrible things, but we can't go by decades old history on such things due to the constant evolution of politics.

That Confederate Battle flag was first used in a war over slavery on the side of slavery. Over the years, even recently, it has been used by racists. Most see it as an inherently racist symbol despite many Southerners having grown up being taught that it was the flag of the Confederacy and is their cultural heritage. This is due to what can only be a lack of education on the matter. So people can fly it, we do have free speech, but people must at least hear about its history.

TD;DR Judging parties on decades old actions is absurd, and there's been historical revisionism due to the lack of education the Confederate Battle Flag.

[–]Reckless22 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

This is a response to the claim that the flag is inherently racist because the flag maker claimed it to be so. By the same logic, applied to the imagery of the Democratic party there is much to disagree with. In an argument that's it's an inherently racist symbol it matters little how people interpret the symbol.

[–]iswantingcake 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Doesn't matter. It's been used and is still used as a racist symbol. Bottom line is that it is racist and has been misinterpreted as a symbol of Southern pride.

[–]iswantingcake 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

You're right that it doesn't matter how people interpret it, but people interpret it that way for solid reasons. That's what I was getting at. If people were to say the imagery of The Democratic Party is inherently racist, it's a bit silly considering the nature of political parties. The meaning of the imagery of a political party is directly related to the current actions of a party.

[–]ivangrozny 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

The most salient thing about the whole confederate flag issue that everyone seems to either miss or willfully ignore was that it was on public property. As such I absolutely think it should not have been there, nor should a rainbow flag be displayed and maintained on public property by the government employees who work there, or anyone else. Other than that, if you want to put rainbow siding on your house or replace your lawn with stars and bars astroturf, go for it.

[–]Goblicon 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

Oh please. The progressive try to change language, the narrative and history. Go back to r/politics

[–]TA_Dreamin 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yea, ask a libtards what "arms" means and you will probably get some bs answer about muskets. Or perhaps ask the about the phrase "shall not be infringed" they get really butt hurt over that one.

[–]TA_Dreamin 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Revisionism is the tool of the left. Tell falsehoods long enough and your idiotic minions take them as truth. The confederate battle flag did not justify slavery. It was a symbol flown by the army of northern Virginia, one of the most successful southern regiments. Because of their success against the north their battle flag became a symbol for the rest of the south of the resistance. The civil war was fought over states rights, not slavery. Even Lincoln acknowledged that if he could end the war by freeing no slaves he would. The north was extremely poor having limited manufacturing facilities, the south produced and exported the worlds number one crop at the time cotton. The north tried to over tax the south's cash crop to help keep cities like New York viable. The south rejected the north for this and knew that as they produced the number one export they could be viable as an independent nation. As is clearly stated in the declaration of independence the people have this very right if they deem it neccessary) they attempted to throw off an oppressive government. Try reading an actual book before you start spouting off about how the civil war was fought over slavery.

[–]CplGinger -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I feel like you are trying to use satire... But I think you may believe what you're saying. I don't know which is worse, an inability to properly satirize, or the latter.

[–]tehForceReagan conservative 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The point of the post is that inanimate objects are not responsible for peoples actions. Ban a symbol and the people who use that symbol will make a new one.

[–]Homeless_Scrapbooker -3ポイント-2ポイント  (9子コメント)

Sure it's not like for like, but the point remains and the hypocrisy is evident.

[–]MrBooks -5ポイント-4ポイント  (7子コメント)

No it isn't. Your ignoring the entire history of the "Confederate Flag", which has always been a symbol of oppression.

The argument to take down the flag didn't stem from one guy waving it around and then shooting a bunch of people, it comes from that history of terror and oppression.

[–]Homeless_Scrapbooker 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

The point this meme is making is that the progressive way is to ban symbols which are perceived (I stress perceived) to be associated with a particular horrific event.

[–]chabanaisStronger than derp. 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

People are responsible, not inanimate objects.

That is the point.

[–]TA_Dreamin 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yes the confederate flag was just as much a symbol of oppression as was the Gadsden flag. /s pull your head out of your ass, I think you could use some fresh air.

[–]MrBooks -3ポイント-2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Who is talking about the Gadsen flag? I thought we were talking about the Confederate flag and the rainbow flag.

Now the Battle Flag of Northern Virginia, on the other hand, was a symbol of oppression from the first time it flew at the head of an army fighting to keep people enslaved.

[–]ChatGarou 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

That comment section is pure cancer.

[–]-dudeomfgstfux- 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

I do think that the Confederate flag is literally "Un-American", but just because it offends you it shouln't be banned; if that's the requirement that flag offends me and it should be banned.

[–]tehForceReagan conservative 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's actually pretty American...made by American's in America kind of makes it so.

I can see the argument for Unpatriotic.

[–]lloydlindsayyoung 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

when a gay person is being persecuted "gaylivesmatter" when a gay person is the one committing the violence, it had to be the straight person's fault

[–]tehForceReagan conservative 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

Or the inanimate objects fault.

[–]itsmeok 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Correction it was the gun /s

[–]HazMat68W 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

Except the virginia battle flag was the icon of many hate groups, lynch mobs, etc for decades. The gay flag has supported gay people. So...

[–]tehForceReagan conservative -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

Have you seen what the gay people do when one expresses non-support for their lifestyle choices? They turn into a hate group.

[–]flyingburritoman 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

She took the bait. I know it's kindof a false equivalency but I like the point he's making anyway

[–]acerusso 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wow brigading much ITT? Make a good jab and out pour the liberals. And in b4 the "im a conservative and even I blah blah blah" lie.

[–]symkoReagan Conservative -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

So glad we are pushing candidates that are not using the liberal playbook anymore. We are about to wreck it. that pendulum is a pain when it swings back even more forcefully to the right.

At least you'll have good beer to drown your tears in, Libs. PBR is horse piss.

[–]connor6145 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (7子コメント)

lol centuries of murder and enslavement are suddenly equal to a shooting of two people

[–]TerryTerrorist 17ポイント18ポイント  (6子コメント)

I think you managed to miss the point...

[–]connor6145 2ポイント3ポイント  (5子コメント)

how so?

[–]TerryTerrorist 5ポイント6ポイント  (4子コメント)

It's just pointing out the idiocy of banning a flag because a guy who killed black people liked or identified with it.

[–]connor6145 -4ポイント-3ポイント  (2子コメント)

it wasn't just a guy though, it was half of our country...

[–]MrBooks -4ポイント-3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Half our country, and more then half a century.

[–]CRedmond20 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

this flag is a disgrace, at least the confederate flag was a Battleflag which brave men fought for and died for. I'm usually opposed to burning flags but hey they're called "Flammers" for a reason right?

[–]JIVEprintingFar-Right -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

rektville

[–]theHangedGod 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm hardly conservative and I fully agree with this

[–]tigerdrummer -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Then why are you here?

[–]bllasaeLibertarian Conservative -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hah, gottem.

[–]boyd_a_crowder -5ポイント-4ポイント  (0子コメント)

The hypocrisy is absolutely nauseating.

[–]chabanaisStronger than derp. -5ポイント-4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Brilliant.

[–]Sumner67 -4ポイント-3ポイント  (0子コメント)

touche'

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[–]goatsilike -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

I have to ask, honestly....people here do understand the difference right?

[–]LengthyWarfareReagan Conservative -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

No, we are mocking the moronic pinkos and their hypocrisy.