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How 9/11 was done (self.conspiracy)

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How 9/11 was done

Contents

Introduction
Arab Conspiracy Theory (ACT)
LIHOP Conspiracy Theory (LCT)
Israeli Conspiracy Theory (ICT)
......Motive behind 9/11
......How 9/11 was done
......The main players
......Solving 9/11
Central Story Line
More on the core of the argument
More on 9/11 motives
The fake 9/11 phone calls
Dancing Israelis or Urban Movers planting explosives at the WTC
The link between Olmert and 9/11
The link between Olmert and 9/11
Dov Zakheim, remote control and the Pentagon
Who were the plotters?
Blaming the Arabs
Remote Control Scenario
Pentagon attack motive
What happened to flight77 if it did not crash into the Pentagon?
9/11 operational errors
Peer Segalovitz, the demolition man
Visualizing 9/11
Testing remote control: Air Egypt 990
The cost of having other opinions about 9/11
Howard Zinn and Noam Chomsky do not care about who was behind 9/11
The 9/11 International Tribunal
Ron Paul provisional government
Additional material
......More on the WTC collapse
......Voice morphing
.......9/11 conspiracy too complex?
.......Plane swapping
......Khalid Sheik Muhamed mastermind of 9/11?
......9/11 war room
......More on remote control
......Prior knowledge of 9/11 attacks overheard in Hebrew
......Lucky Larry Silverstein
......Sibel Edmonds and 9/11-2
......9/11 Commission Report
......On David Ray Griffin's strategy
......Non-disclosure of Pentagon videos
......Operation Northwood
......PNAC and the New Pearl Harbour
......Bad omens
......Phone calls transcript
......Phone calls from high altitude and high speed in 2001
......Pentagon no-plane theory reservations
......Bin Laden no longer sought after
......More on the dancing Israelis
......More on Israeli eavesdropping
......Attempt to reconstruct
......Interesting additional material, isolated facts, articles, video's, etc.
......Open questions
......Unprocessed links

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[–]wee_knee 34ポイント35ポイント  (34子コメント)

Much easier:

Silverstein had some buildings that he couldn't rent, that were poorly built, and he couldn't get a permit to get rid of (even sort of tried once before, though that wasn't him).

Bush has direct monetary ties to the Saudis through his father - oil related.

The Saudis tell Bush to take out Iraq's production because "he's rogue".

Bush family, friends with Silverstein, think up plan to get rid of buildings (can't get demolition permit - would raise too much dust - okay to dismantle them but would cost billions) and blame it on someone (Iraq) to start war.

Cheney finds old national security scenario where jet liners fly into buildings and knock them down. Looks good, plan in motion.

Bush/Cheney has Blackwater wire the buildings for demolition. Blackwater has ties to Bush family.

Bush/Cheney embezzle a couple billion dollars from DoD funds - pentagon notices, starts audit. Some of money used to buy drone aircraft, tomahawk cruise missile, other "stuff". Lots of money goes into their pockets.

you can sort of fill in the blanks because this is boring now

Jets fly into buildings, "jet" flies into pentagon (hitting DoD audit section), "jet" falls from sky crashes in field, "who's to blame?" blame game happens, Laden's boys pointed at, "not us" they said, U.S. attacks Iraq - knocks out oil production and kills "rogue" president, Silverstein not only doesn't have to pay billions to take down his buildings - he gets it done free - he get's them cleaned up for free - he gets insurance money to cover loss! (nice job, Silverstein!). All the black op blackwater guys disappear (dead, gone, and forgotten). Bush/Cheney get their war, Cheney rakes in gobs of money via Halliburton and "other" revenue streams, Bush/Cheney/Bush Sr get nice payoff when 'shrub' leaves office (10 billion I think)(maybe more).

Oh, and the "defense industry" now has the U.S. embroiled in at least two conflicts and are selling munitions and equipment as fast as they can make it.

All in all, a very profitable eight years for some of the biggest assholes on the planet.

And for what?

Greed.

[–]inbetweentime 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Have any links on the Blackwater involvement/disappearance?

[–]thegr8rambino13 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wasn't Israel or mossad involved somehow?

[–]__DocHopper__ 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Bush, Cheney, Clinton, Obama, the whole team of people behind the scenes that have a hand in running the world- they all profited. They are all on the same team. Power never changes hands, really. Hasn't for a long, long time.

[–]DogPawsCanType 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Why don't you fill in the blanks for us, if you can?

[–]orangepeels 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

But, who flew the planes?

[–]insidiousFox 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Remote control. Pretty advanced tech for this has existed at least a couple decades. Easily researched on Google in an hour or so.

[–]GoldenTruth 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

google the rabbi Dov Zakheim

[–]SeriousOrJoking 2ポイント3ポイント  (15子コメント)

Why wouldn't they just wire for detonation and blow up buildings and be done with it. Why add in the whole plane scenario. I mean, someone tried with bombs in the 90's why not do it again?

[–]wee_knee 19ポイント20ポイント  (2子コメント)

Because if no one attacked the U.S., the U.S. wouldn't have anyone to go to war with.

[–]DostThowEvenLift 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

Also, planes flying into buildings is a lot more dramatic and therefore devastating than just letting it go kaboom. You don't get the rescue, survival and tradgic death stories if they all come down out of no where.

[–]O_oh -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

The bomb in the basement was pretty dramatic when it happened... i think theres another angle involving budget airliners wanting the big airlines to falter. Jetblue = JedBush?!

[–]MindlessRationality 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Planes also give reason to crack down on the main method of transportation between countries. This can prevent people seeking asylum, getting word out, and other such issues. Also gives reason to stop people from doing it against them.

[–]GoldenTruth 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

The imagery of those planes hitting the towers is something we will NEVER forget. Literally. They played it over and over and over again.

A bomb exploding would not have had the same psychological impact.

[–]marriedmygun 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Also, they already tried a bomb which failed.

[–]Sjwpoet 10ポイント11ポイント  (6子コメント)

Because if it were called a controlled demolition publicly, the obvious question is how did terrorists get access to wire it. It wouldn't be possible. Planes provide cover.

What isn't mentioned, is that the WTCs, particularly 7, housed a lot of records that could have thrown thousands of wall street oligarchs in jail. There was also thousands of tonnes of gold held under the WTCs that simply disappeared, poof.

[–]Ares_Boar 10ポイント11ポイント  (2子コメント)

The greatest robbery in history...

[–]DostThowEvenLift 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

What it appears like to me is 9/11 served main purposes:

A. Starting a war with Iraq by blaming 9/11 on them, because:

  1. Hussein attempted to switch the petro-dollar to a euro currency, which would've deflated the US dollar a fuckton.

  2. Iraq served as a huge threat against Saudi Arabia, so Bush needed a reason to go to war with Iraq and roll in insider transactions from the rich Saudi Princes.

  3. Establish a puppetted 'democratic' government in Iraq to make sure neither of those two happen again.

B. So Silverstein could get his dick wet in the rebuilding of a new trade center. He got a free demolotion without any enviromentalists/NYC Skyline enthusiasts getting in his way, he got a free cleanup, and billions in lucky insurance claims.

C. An elaborate heist of the enormous gold deposit located below the WTC that mysteriously went missing the day after.

D. Dispose of the evidence of the $2.3 trillion that mysteriously went missing the day before. Good thing Hani Hanjour managed to crash into the budget analysis office to destroy the evidence!

E. Tell everyone Islamic Extremists were behind it so they have some leeway to transition to another Islamic country in the Middle East smoothly.

[–]SoFAnoymnous 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

F. After fucking up iraq and establishing democratic puppet government,They went after Syria's Assad under the terms that he used chemical-weapons on his own people, by arming and training "Moderate" Rebels in Syria with Salafi Ideology.Which is now ISIS.

[–]metabolix 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wow I can imagine this.

[–]basedongods 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

What isn't mentioned, is that the WTCs, particularly 7, housed a lot of records that could have thrown thousands of wall street oligarchs in jail. There was also thousands of tonnes of gold held under the WTCs that simply disappeared, poof.

Source, source, source, please and thank you (: .

[–]Sjwpoet 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Google is your ally in seeking information. Two seconds of effort:

http://www.wanttoknow.info/010917nylawyerwallstreetsecfiles

The direct and indirect benefits for the oligarchs that run not just the US, but the western world, including the world's financial system, of 9/11 are too many to count. For an oligarchs power, monetary control, and US hegemony, 9/11 was the greatest thing to ever happen in history. For the people both in the US, and in the Muslim 'terrorist' camps, it's literally been the worst thing to ever happen to them in terms of the costs.

[–]inbetweentime 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Upvoted because why are you downvoted for asking a question? Some peeps on this sub...

[–]PostNationalism -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

YA that part makes no sense to me either

[–]TheRehabKid [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Cheney finds old national security scenario where jet liners fly into buildings and knock them down. Looks good, plan in motion

So he finds old plans that are open to the public and decides to just go ahead with them...and everyone else, all CIA and whatever other acronym'd intelligence thought it was a great idea to use a public knowledge plan?

Silverstein not only doesn't have to pay billions to take down his buildings - he gets it done free - he get's them cleaned up for free - he gets insurance money to cover loss! (nice job, Silverstein!).

Perhaps you should take a better look at this. Perhaps take a look at the loans he had to take out with the City of New York to help cover costs...loans he has to repay with interest.

[–]davidtoni -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

9/11 was almost positively planned loooong before Bush was president or Lucky Larry bought the buildings. The Israelis probably planned it out while the towers were being built in fact.

Read ex-Mossad agent Victor Ostrovsky's book "By Way of Deception." He says that mostly every major piece of infrastructure in the Arab world built since the early 70s has bombs hidden inside them by Mossad.

[–]marriedmygun -5ポイント-4ポイント  (7子コメント)

Laden's boys pointed at "not us" they said

Um, Bin Laden publically admitted his participation in 9/11.

[–]cube_radio 4ポイント5ポイント  (5子コメント)

Bin Laden denied involvement but a dubious confession video was later just found lying around in a house in Jalalabad.

[–]marriedmygun -4ポイント-3ポイント  (4子コメント)

Yea, I'll trust the video recording, thanks.

[–]insidiousFox 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

CNN article with Osama denying involvement the week-of the attacks

You shouldn't ever "trust" just any one source. Almost every post 9/11 Osama video is of questionable authenticity.

[–]marriedmygun -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Okay, so it's fabricated? Is it a guy with a Mission Impossible mask pretending to be Bin Laden, or is the audio completely fake?

[–]cube_radio 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

It was almost certainly a fake and is of highly suspect provenance. It was also mistranslated.

[–]GoldenTruth 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

lol

[–]danimir 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

He released a statement denying any involvement

[–]Orangutan 7ポイント8ポイント  (4子コメント)

FACTS regarding 9/11

"As the 14th anniversary of 9/11 approaches, it’s important to remind people that we still don’t know what happened that day. What is known about 9/11 is that there are many incredible facts that continue to be ignored by the government and the mainstream media. Here are fourteen." And more...

[–]PostNationalism 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

YA that's what I don't understand is why they let bush stay there reading to children...

[–]lucycohen 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

It was designed that way to make him appear to be a nice guy, caring reading children a story, this is the guy we can trust

[–]reputable_opinion 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

because of threats to AF1, and a camera crew that wasn't scheduled tried to 'interview' him - possibly like Ahmad Shah Massoud was 'interviewed' the day before.

[–]controlled-demo-wtc [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

This is a message I sent to all mods five nights ago (no response), under the consideration that (1) mod didn't like Richard Gage:

Hey guys, Sorry about the tone. I'm as aggressive as some of you. I know that's off putting, but shit don't get done unless people push for change. I see no one else trying to highlight the issue. Bull by the horns guys. This is the anniversary of the greatest OP the USA shadow government has ever pulled off. Problem is they forgot about Newton's laws of motion.

How about 4 stickies (1 per week, all 4 weeks of September) all pertaining to the controlled demolitions of the three towers? A physics lesson with David Chandler (can be a youtube w/o the ae911truth logo on it, just because)

A link to the New Pearl Harbor video with discussion. I am not affiliated with anyone or organization. Just need to make that clear for some.

A look at exploding debris with David Chandler (once again, non ae911truth related)

And maybe a general discussion on the last week pertaining to the general direction we've taken as a result of 9.11.01, which includes links to the first 3 weeks' discussions.

That's a suggestion all mods are welcome to think about.

Peace

[–]Flytape 31ポイント32ポイント  (19子コメント)

Wow its nice to see a comprehensive 9-11 post that isn't bothered with subgroup politics.

[–]Greg_Roberts_0985 11ポイント12ポイント  (16子コメント)

Edit: I have edited this comment, it was unnecessary, it was originally a sly remark in regards Flytape, the deleted comment, below

Do you work for AE911? (Flytape)

The resulting [deleted] answer, was not me.

[–]Flytape -1ポイント0ポイント  (15子コメント)

Do you work for AE911?

[–][削除されました]  (8子コメント)

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    [–]Flytape[M] 3ポイント4ポイント  (7子コメント)

    I think you need to settle down, rule 10.

    [–]IronBallsMiginty 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Ya man you can't leave it like that...

    [–]NateY3K 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

    now I'm curious as to what was said

    [–]ILikeCandy 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Oh, gee, more drama from "someone". What a shock.

    [–]__DocHopper__ 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Probably rhymes with Fshill.

    [–]sheasie -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

    the question implied that the efforts were a result of some kind of paid shillary. honestly, i would have snapped too. clearly a lot of blood, sweat and tears went into this post. best I have seen since:

    http://www.consensus911.org/

    Somehow those two entities should compare notes. Both very impressive examples how how the internet is delivering the information revolution it once advertised.

    long live the internets!

    [–]Flytape -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

    The person who was warned was not the person who I asked the question to.

    The person I asked the question to made a valid response and answered the question.

    [–]sheasie 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    sorry, my bad. i misread the thread.

    [–]Greg_Roberts_0985 -1ポイント0ポイント  (4子コメント)

    No.

    [–]Flytape -1ポイント0ポイント  (3子コメント)

    A lot of people are probably under the impression that you are "the" Gregg Roberts from ae911truth. That's why I asked.

    [–]Greg_Roberts_0985 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Them very same people would then have to also assume that i can not spell my name correctly.

    [–]Flytape -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Another theory would be that, given your close proximity to all things 9-11, you enjoy the "celebrity?" that is bestowed upon you by those assumptions.

    Which is why I just ask people directly, if you had said "yes I'm THE Gregg Roberts." Then it would have made a lot more sense to me, why I received such an animated response to the article I posted that was critical of ae911.

    [–]Greg_Roberts_0985 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    you enjoy the "celebrity?" that is bestowed upon you by those assumptions

    Who are these people that assume that? You are the only person who has ever (to my knowledge) made this assumption, otherwise source me your claim...

    • I have a different first name

    • I have different pigment skin color

    • I have vastly different qualifications

    • I live in NYC

    etc etc

    Weak theory.

    [–]no1113 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Okay, folks. So now that anyone who's head isn't COMPLETELY in the sand has a pretty darn good idea of who it was that perpetrated 911 and why...what now? Are we just going to continue with the same status quo as before and always? allowing the murderous manipulators in power to remain such?

    Knowledge is only good and worth something if we actually use and act on it. If we don't, then we let our brains and our lives simply atrophy and rot.

    [–]denmaradi 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

    The Pentagon forensics and rebuid contract was given to AMEC , whose board members are also members of french Spie(started by James De Rothschild), Halliburton and SG Warburg.

    [–]Orangutan 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

    9/11 Commission Investigation:

    • Thomas H. Kean, Chairman of the 9/11 Commission: "FAA and NORAD officials advanced an account of 9/11 that was untrue... We, to this day, don't know why NORAD told us what they told us... It was just so far from the truth."

    • Lee Hamilton, Vice Chairman of the 9/11 Commission: "We got started late; We had a very short time frame... We did not have enough money... We had a lot of people strongly opposed to what we did. We had a lot of trouble getting access to documents and to people... So there were all kinds of reasons we thought we were set up to fail."

    Dick Cheney told Tom Daschle not to investigate.

    When Daschle appeared on NBC's Meet the Press on May 26, 2002, he said that on January 24 that year, Dick Cheney had urged him not to investigate the events of September 11. Daschle said that on January 28, President Bush made the same request. When Tim Russert asked him, “It wasn’t, ‘Let’s not have a national commission, but let’s have the intelligence committees look into this,’ it was ‘No investigation by anyone, period’?” Daschle replied, “That’s correct.” Daschle added that the request was made again on “other dates following.”

    Anthrax sent to top democrats Tom Daschle and Patrick Leahy

    Henry Kissinger appointed to lead the initial investigation after over a year of delay.

    9/11: Press for Truth - The Jersey Girls

    The Anniversary of 9/11

    "Let us never tolerate outrageous conspiracy theories" - President George W. Bush to the United Nations - November 10, 2001

    [–]Orangutan 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Operation Northwoods ~ 1962 - wiki

    9/11: A Conspiracy Theory ~ by James Corbett with almost 3 million views at this address

    Solving the Mystery of WTC Building 7 ~ removed by YouTube after over 1.5 million views

    9/11: Explosive Evidence - Experts Speak Out ~ 1 hour version over 1/2 a million views

    [–]nofx1978 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    LOL. I love these stories. The fact that when the pieces that make no logical sense, the storyteller writes "Some stuff happened", is LAWZL. Idiots.

    [–]southwestont 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    "You have to consider the ethnic backgroud of Chomsky and Zinn to understand why they respond to 9/11 as they did" -muahahahahahahahahahaha

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      [–]infinity_QE 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

      I can only conclude from all this evidence that Building 7 fell due to peer pressure (everyone else is falling).

      [–]Akareyon 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      What a comment to read to the scent of the first morning coffee, thanks for the laugh :)

      [–]DishonestCartooNIST 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      /s

      Don't give the 9/11 Faith Movement any ideas.

      [–]SovereignMan[M] -4ポイント-3ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Rules 2 & 10. Removed.

      [–]nthroop1 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I agree with everything on here except the notion of the phone calls from the plane. At no point does the author mention the fact that these Boeing planes were equipped with Airphones which were completely capable of making phone calls. Yes the FBI changed there story from 35 calls to 2 calls but that was referring to the amount of cell usage. M I RIGHT??

      [–]manlydishwasher 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

      2,000 years from today, what will be believed by the masses as to how&why 9/11 happened, vs. what actually did happen (no one really knows the truth to this, sorry OP), will be two entirely different things.

      Just like the Bible.

      [–]controlled-demo-wtc 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      How 9/11 was done, written in 2008, conveniently leaves out all mention of Newton's laws of motion in the controlled demolitions of WTC1 and WTC2

      Would you care to rectify that situation with this link:

      https://www.youtube.com/user/DavidChandler911

      [–]quiksnap 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Thanks

      [–]goy_protein_isolate -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Another telling of 9/11 if you're into this sort of fan fiction.

      http://pastebin.com/yCwrSNEL

      [–]liverpoolwin 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Excellent idea to sticky this, well done!

      [–]Top_FP 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      we should do something about this soon

      [–]eyeluvscotch -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Thanks OP!!

      [–]SpaceTire -4ポイント-3ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Sorry, I didnt read thru your post. But did you cover the part where the WTC buildings where completely filled with asbestos and it was going to cost MILLIONS upon millions to replace it with non cancerous material? Filled under: depreciating asset.

      [–]Orangutan 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      [–]Na7Soc -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Hitler tried to warn us but we fell for the propaganda machine against him, the same one that went on about Saddam having nukes aimed at us, and every other war to spread Jewish democracy run by their media.

      [–]austincherney -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      This is how 9/11 was done; via plausibly deniable proxy.

      http://wideshut.co.uk/gladio-b-the-origins-of-natos-secret-islamic-terrorist-proxies/

      There was no WTC demolition. There would be no point to bother with one once the shock and 'awe' of a terrorist attack on American soil had already been achieved upon plane impact into the towers.

      There were actual hijacked planes used during the attacks. They weren't missiles or holograms, or whatever...

      [–]InitiumNovum -4ポイント-3ポイント  (0子コメント)

      If you repeat things that have already been extensively debunked over and over again (such as 9/11 conspiracy theories) it becomes a religion. The 9/11 Truth Movement is basically a religion.

      [–]DogPawsCanType -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      All your talking eont change anything, get on with life.

      [–]reputable_opinion -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      too many criticisms to help you. is this disinfo?

      [–]holocauster-ride -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Nobody is claiming Russia was behind 9/11

      http://thespiritoftruth.blogspot.ca/2010/09/russia-was-behind-911.html