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[–]max225David Hume 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

We gotta ban model trains now. You fucked it up for everyone.

[–]shiftyeyedgoatAmerican Libertarian 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

I love how impatient that dude is to get the food off the lift.

[–]rottenx51Technology brings freedom 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

no tip for that robot

[–]stormsbrewingSuper Bowl XXVII Rose Bowl -5ポイント-4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I love how impatient fat that dude is to get the food off the lift.

[–]PostNationalism/r/postnationalist 8ポイント9ポイント  (2子コメント)

HOW DARE THIS ROBOT TAKE A JOB THAT AN AMERICAN COULD BE DOING?

[–]ANCAPCASS 11ポイント12ポイント  (1子コメント)

we should put fences around any factory that makes these

[–]jamers89000Economic Means > Political Means 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

*Walls. And we'll get the factory owners to pay for them.

[–]DocTomoeAnarcho-Capitalist 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Even better: no guilt-tipping. Pun intended.

[–]fantomsource 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

Same goes for the cooks, it would be so easy to break down their actions into automation, with a persistent quality, speed and hygiene standards.

[–]I_am_NorwegianFree Market Anarchist 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Same goes for the cooks, it would be so easy to break down their actions into automation, with a persistent quality, speed and hygiene standards.

If that was true, wouldn't it have already happened?

[–]hotoatmealAnarcho-Capitalist 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Easy != cheap

[–]anarchyseedswww.Murray2024.com 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Choochoo! All aboard the Ilium Express!

[–]LowReadyAttending Praxicologist 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

What is this in reference to?

[–]Tech_49Don't tread on me! 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

The stuff Bernie Sander's nightmares are made of.

[–]DRKMSTR 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'd tip that.

[–]JobDestroyer36210f2f164929ab31b0a8b803c4de6f 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Choo-choo-choose McDonalds. I'm loving it.

[–]SeriousWhiteOrange 0ポイント1ポイント  (25子コメント)

Minimum wage or not this is going to happen and its not going to happen just to minimum wage jobs but most jobs, eventually your cushy middle class white collar job will be automated too. You just can't compete with a robot even if you only wan $1/hr. Welcome to the future!

[–]Priscilla3The Roth Bard tells stories of Liberty 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

I can't wait. It's gonna be fantastic.

[–]SeriousWhiteOrange 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I am not sure if having no job will be so fantastic in the short to middle run.

[–]Priscilla3The Roth Bard tells stories of Liberty 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

By the time my job goes the way of the dinosaur, things will be moving so fast that the short to middle run will last like a week to a month.

And even if not, I have some land, I'll buy some farming bots or something.

[–]bdunbarCatholic Anarcho-Capitalist 0ポイント1ポイント  (18子コメント)

eventually your cushy middle class white collar job will be automated too.

One just has to stay nimble and stay a few steps ahead of automation. I've managed to do 'ok' in IT, for example.

[–]SeriousWhiteOrange -2ポイント-1ポイント  (17子コメント)

There won't be no staying ahead eventually when entire fields are automated. You will just be fucked.

[–]DocTomoeAnarcho-Capitalist 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

There won't be no staying ahead eventually when entire fields are automated. You will just be fucked.

Yes. But us IT guys will get fucked last. Not the 'let's put a cable into that wall' kind of IT guys, but us software developers.

All while giving the rest of the world a chance to make new, exciting stuff instead of slaving away your time as a waitress - or a lorry driver.

You're welcome.

[–]SeriousWhiteOrange 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

Software engineers are the first to go if anything resembling a true AI comes out.

[–]DocTomoeAnarcho-Capitalist 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yeah. "True AI". We're decades, if not centuries away from that - if that is possible at all. Right now, what we got really good at is developing systems that appear intelligent, which non-developers tend to misunderstand as "progress in AI".

[–]SeriousWhiteOrange 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Nobody of us can predict the future and current speculation range something between a few years and thousands of years. Before that computer intelligence and automatisation will still and already have replace(d) a lot of software engineering jobs.

[–]DocTomoeAnarcho-Capitalist 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

speculation range something between a few years and thousands of years

I would advice you to not give too much trust in predictions by common media like the Economist or Mother Jones when it comes to technical issues. Which, by the way, is the quintessence of the article you posted.

You are mixing an awful lot of terms together that have very specific meanings. AI is not "Computer Intelligence" is not "Automatisation". Automatisation did not remove a single Computer Developer job, it made it more effective, freeing ressources for more interesting problems. In fact, software development is one of the few jobs that has only been increasing in the last few decades (minus economic crisies).

[–]LowReadyAttending Praxicologist 2ポイント3ポイント  (9子コメント)

These confounded automated knitting machinations will put everyone out of work!

[–]SeriousWhiteOrange 0ポイント1ポイント  (7子コメント)

If those confounded automated knitting maschinations were equiped with true AI in every way superior of human intelligene or just fake AI good enough to do 90 % of all jobs better than human, yes, then they would put have put everyone out of workk.

[–]LowReadyAttending Praxicologist 0ポイント1ポイント  (6子コメント)

Oh, sci fi shit. Kewl bro.

Hey, do you suspect that when a superior intelligence emerges that society may reach an epoch where socioeconomic arrangements are also able to change? Or just robots doing work that nobody can afford to pay for. Yeah, that makes more sense.

[–]SeriousWhiteOrange 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

I am sure society will eventually chand probably adopt some sort of basic income scheme but the meantime won't be pretty.

[–]LowReadyAttending Praxicologist 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

Basic income how? Everyone will be poor, remember? Unicorns don't shit welfare, it has to be extracted from people.

[–]SeriousWhiteOrange 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

http://io9.com/how-universal-basic-income-will-save-us-from-the-robot-1653303459

[–]LowReadyAttending Praxicologist 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Ugh, I'll skip the nonsense economic claims and try to stay on topic but man, what a bullshit article....

Indeed, when it comes to funding BIG, there are no shortage of options. Various proposals include tax revenues, shortening the workweek, and the reduction or elimination of other social security programs such as unemployment insurance.

Tax revenues from who? The people who control the AI? What are you going to do, beg them to give you money?

Shortening the work week... Wat? How does that make more money to redistribute?

Reduction of other welfare: LOL. Go ahead and try it you monster.

Futurist Mark Walker says we could pay for it all by slapping down a 14% VAT (value-added tax) across all goods and services

Nobody can afford anything so we'll make money to give them by charging extra for goods and services that they buy. Wow. Is being retarded a requirement to earn the title "futurist"?

the Equal Life Foundation published the Living Income Guaranteed Proposal where it outlined practical implementation measures. Among its recommendations, the group calls for serious changes to the current socio-economic and political structure, including the nationalization of resources....

So this has verifiably caused millions of people to starve to death due to economic calculation but somehow it's part of their hypothesis for prosperity. This shit is cringeworthy.

As an example of protecting employment, the Toyota Motor Corporation in Japanwants humans to take the place of machinesin plants across Japan...

Just pay everyone to dig ditches! It's SO simple! The supply of cars will drop and the cost to make them will skyrocket so nobody will be able to actually drive one but who cares, everyone is working! Communism ftw!

[–]Shamalow 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The idea that everyone will benefit from a basic income is much likely true. The question is whether it will be by government or by pure altruism.

I think the former is most likely. With such a productivity that we will have in the future, a handful of relatively rich people could feed the whole rest.

Before that time we must focus on the transition. And that's when we hear about basic income that have to be forced out of the rich. But by doing this we will certainly affect the global productivity. If there is less productivity we will arrive latter to the point where we don't need to work anymore. And then the question arise: should we focus on feeding everyone right now whatever the cost on technology and moral? Or should we focus on production in order to achieve faster a moment where we can feed everyone without cost on technology and moral?

I value technology more because it helps to avoid violence (better communications, more ressources to share, ..) which the simple elimination of hunger doesn't. So I think we should on the second option.

One assumption I take:

Basic income diminish productivity (I know so many french that quit their job and go on vacations paid by their unemployment allocations), but the debate is far more intense that my small example.

[–]GeneralLeeFrankH.L. Mencken 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Quick, destroy all the machines and put everyone back into the fields! That will create total employment. Efficiency be damned.

[–]bdunbarCatholic Anarcho-Capitalist 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

I've been chased up the ladder by obsolescence and technology my entire working life.

I can keep it up for another 30 years or so.

And if, somehow, everything in IT is automated and there are no jobs for meat people? I'll go back to school and study history. Raise bees. Brew beer. Stuff like that.

It's just life, man.

[–]SeriousWhiteOrange 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think a lot of people are thinking like that and for a lot of people this won't be true. I hope for you it will be.

[–]Renben9 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Remember when those farming robots took all the jobs in farming and pushed 95% of the working population into other fields of work and everyone starved to death because they lost their job as a field worker? Me neither.

[–]SeriousWhiteOrange -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yes, because humans were still better in doing a lot of things than robots, but a time will come when robots will be better in doing 99 % of all things, and that's when you have to start to worry, because there won't be any joby left robots can't do, to push the newly unemployed in.

[–]GeneralLeeFrankH.L. Mencken 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes, like washing machines took away jobs from laundresses?

The pattern has always been automation creates more jobs, just in other areas. I'd like to know where I can find this crystal ball every anti-automation guy seems to have.