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[proposal] Ban /u/min_thamee (self.metanarchism)

sync0pate が 投稿

Proposing to ban /u/min_thamee , because nobody else wants to do this properly.

Min has been a subtle but persistent troll for a while, he has been recently asked to lay off the complaining about moderation for a while, until people trust that he is acting in good faith.

In spite of this request he has created this thread in meta that a lot of people find to be disingenuous. The thread was created at a time that we were being brigaded by gamergaters.

I don't think the suggestion is that there is necessarily anything wrong with that thread, or even that the criticisms aren't valid or worthwhile, but that min is continually acting as close to the line as possible and is being an aggravating and divisive presence.

Vote away.

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[–]lokkenmor 7ポイント8ポイント  (7子コメント)

Oh for fuck's sake. Can we get fucking done with this already!?

I usually keep myself sewn shut on met@ because I loathe being involved in precisely this type of petty bullshit but this is too much:

Ban the fucker, or don't. Either way, shut. The. Fuck. Up. About them.

In the most literal terms, there has not been a week gone by in the last two months where there hasn't been a thread on met@ either proposing a ban of /u/min_thamee, or where they have been the centre of some fresh debacle because something they've posted has been found to be objectionable. It's tiresome, irritating and it's gone beyond the fucking pale.

The community, at large, has consistently failed to uphold any proposals to ban /u/Min_Thamee. And yet the proposals continue to come in thick and fast and without so much as pausing for breath.

At this point, I'm tempted to support a ban purely on the basis of the level of disruption /u/Min_Thamee's continued presence causes between @ and met@ doesn't make them worth having around. But I would equally ban those involved in the persistent submissions of ban proposals against /u/Min_Thamee because they are as much a part of the problem. Min may be the focal point of the problems, but fuck me if their opponents don't just keep pouring fuel onto that fire.

Counter-proposal:

1) Do one of the following:

1.1) Enact an exceptional ban of /u/Min_Thamee, and any sock accounts which come to their defence and be done with this bullshit, or

1.2) Institute a 4 week moratorium of thread's proposing to ban /u/Min_Thamee (unless there is unequivocal evidence that they have outright broken the AOP).

The disruption /u/Min_Thamee brings to this sphere fully outweighs any benefit derived from having them present. In an actual community they would've been tossed out on there arse on that basis alone.

Speaking of community, here's a couple of suggestions y'all might try out:

  • Use your up- and down- votes to keep each submission and comment made by /u/Min_Thamee at a neutral score of 1 (or in other words do not vote on anything they have to say, unless it is to correct the score to 1).

  • Similarly, don't reply to anything; not even the most innocuously passive, or most gregariously offensive, sentiment they post. Community ostracization. Don't engage, don't participate and don't encourage.

[–]sync0pate[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (6子コメント)

But I would equally ban those involved in the persistent submissions of ban proposals against /u/Min_Thamee[4] because they are as much a part of the problem.

I created this thread as a response to another ban thread that was created with zero evidence, fyi. Enkara created a thread that just said "can we just ban min already?" or something like that..

Then I was accused of somehow defending min or having a special fondness for him, when really, I, like you, just want everyone to shut the fuck up about it.

I created this one as kind of a final attempt to get everyone to shut up, so depending how the vote goes, one of your counter proposals is going to be enacted.

[–]lokkenmor 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

My bad, wasn't having at a go at you. My ire is directed toward others.

I created this thread as a response to another ban thread that was created with zero evidence, fyi.

I knew that already. I'd seen that particular low-effort, obviously shit-stirring post this morning (which is why I'm so hacked off at seeing another thread this evening, your good intentions aside).

I didn't mean to, and wasn't, including you in that group above because (to the best of my memory) I haven't seen you persistently submit proposals to try and have Min banned.

Too much emotion and not enough thought put into the delivery. Didn't mean for it to seem as though I was coming after you. Sincerely wasn't my intention. You have my apologies.

[–]sync0pate[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm just saying, I greatly sympathise with you, and this will almost definitely be the last thread about min.

[–]Min_thamee -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

There's no evidence in this one either. it's the same as enkaras just written more calmly. The "evidence" is "some people say".

What about the people who opposed my bans and warns? are their voices second class?

[–]sync0pate[S] [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

The evidence is that you were asked to stop posting about mod stuff for a while, and you didn't even wait a week.

[–]Min_thamee [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

You mean on that "warning thread"? It said "stop trolling". The post I posted a few days ago wasn't trolling, it was asking for a discussion on an issue.

Also many people opposed the warning. In fact a majority of non-mods in that thread opposed it.

[–]justcallcollect 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

Support, though to be fair he's already on his third (?) username so he'll probably just make a new one and come back in the event of a ban. Wouldn't be the first time.

[–]punkswcleankitchens 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I thought using another username to evade a ban was like, crazy against the rules?

[–]Newbunkle -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's true, but if he learns and stops trolling he could participate fully on the new account in peace. Otherwise it would be treated the same as any other random troll account, which would mean far less drama and no bullshit conspiracy theories about mod cabals picking on him for absolutely no reason at all.

[–]darlantan 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oppose, but if Min is to be banned, then frankly I think those crying out for the constant bans need to be shown the door per lokkenmor's proposal, because this shit is downright absurd.

[–]MooreIsLess 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

Min seems like a wanker to me but I don't think they've done anything ban worthy.

[–]sync0pate[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

That's a popular opinion. Is that a vote?

[–]MooreIsLess 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah yeah, I oppose a ban.

[–]ty5on 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oppose.

If min_thamee is being banned for playing hopscotch with the AOP, there should be a record so people can come to their own conclusions.

If they are being banned for being disruptive to the community, a much stronger case needs to be made. /r/@ has allowed several accounts continue extremely disruptive behavior without censure, so if we're banning for disruption now, it should be clear exactly where the line is that can't be crossed.

[–]Aserwarth 4ポイント5ポイント  (14子コメント)

I'll just copy my post over then:

I support

I think that it says volumes that the last time that Min was under fire that a sock account appeared. Min is either doing it or is getting others to do it, and that is extremely underhanded and in my opinion unwelcome within the community.

[–]sync0pate[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (11子コメント)

If there are sock accounts we can message the admins, they can check better than we can if it's the same person, and if it is then both accounts will be shadowbanned.

[–]jackrousseau 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

Actually, can we do this? There's been like a half-dozen at this point in the min threads. I would be very interested to see who keeps making these things.

[–]Aserwarth 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I just read the Min_dami account. It is clearly the same person. Just message the admins Jack (it appears syn is putting that in your court).

The thread is basically pointless now. As all the accounts you give them will probably be shadow banned.

[–]sync0pate[S] -2ポイント-1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yeah, go for it. Send the usernames and say they're trolling and ban evading and you want them to get rid of the associated accounts.

It's against reddit rules so they should take notice.

[–]Min_thamee 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

What? Who's ban evading and trolling?

[–]sync0pate[S] [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Read the posts I'm replying to. Here we're talking about sock accounts.

[–]Aserwarth 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

/u/tqwerfdsa123 was the sock banned from the warning thread

/u/alookyaw Radq-a-v also thinks that this could be Min and this account was banned on r/@

edit: Jack these are the only two that I remember can you find the others?

[–]analogueb 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

alookyaw was his account before min_dami/ min_thamee.

[–]Aserwarth -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

Then if the admins can confirm any or all these Min is screwed as they are not only breaking our rules but Reddit's rules Ty for the names analogueb!

[–]Hhtura [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Reddit has a rule against having multiple accounts?

[–]Min_thamee [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Everyone knows those accounts are me anyway. except /u/tswerfdsa123 who I don't know.

[–]Min_thamee -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

alookyaw is my old account, I was unbanned due to community suport

the other one isn't me, but I was grateful for there support

[–]Hannibal_Lecturer 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Regarding what sync said about the people who go after min and their fondness for sockpuppets, there have been quite a few examples of unambiguously underhanded ways of dealing with min, like that time someone was reporting every single one of his comments, or when someone made sock puppets with names that resembled his to discredit him (here and here) and most of the community thought that it was not a problem. And of course, those are the same people who were best buddies with and still show support for someone who photoshopped PMs to get me banned (if that person is not still among them with their nth sock puppet) so I find it hard to believe that they have any qualms about underhanded methods. That is of course on top of the fact that there have been 3 or 4 attempts to get min banned (and counting, since those who try, aim at either finally finding enough votes or wear min down) or the fact that after the last failed ban attempt, mod Enkara got so mad that went ahead and unilaterally banned them anyway, or the fact that when new mods were elected someone came begging them to ban min without a vote (encouraged by the fact that some of the new members of the mod team had started ban threads for him in the past and most of them have voted to have him banned), or the countless time he was told to kill himself

The alookyaw handle is well known that belongs to min since he came forward and requested and achieved his unbanning. Likewise, min_thamee never tried to hide the fact that he was min_dami.

The tqwerfdsa123 sockpuppet is most probably not min, since there was no need for him to use one in order to make a supposedly completely non-controversial statement. But since you brought it up, it was banned for being an alt of an old user, despite that users like lilit have admitted to being socks of old -hopefully- users and Enkara's first comment ever in /r/anarchism is stirring old drama. The sockpuppet should of course be denied a vote, but selectively enforcing the rule only against one side because an account reveals uncomfortable facts is absurd.

[–]Potss -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well said, and with more evidence presented than I've seen from any of these "supporters" of the ban.

It's sick.

[–]Potss 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oppose. I don't know if hes a subtle troll or not, but I haven't seen him do anything ban-worthy.

Only if it is PROVEN that he's socking in a toxic way.

[–]Throwtherockback 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oppose

[–]rebelsdarklaughter 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oppose. Min brings up some good points that even I am guilty of.

I am guilty of banning people based on perceived intentions, and have made the wrong decision in the past.

Thanks to someone like min calling this out, I'll probably never unilaterally ban anyone again, minus incredibly bad cases.

We gave min a public warning that I supported, and I don't think they've overstepped that.

[–]copsarebastards 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Support, I guess. I would rather go the admin route with the whole ban evasion thing, since more than one sock is worth punishing in my opinion.

[–]Hannibal_Lecturer 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

The accusation of min using "socks" is the result of a year long game of Chinese whispers. Check my comment here.

[–]copsarebastards -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Okay so this complicates things. I amend my vote to be: Support, but let them come back on the condition of no more meta drama ever, and if there is any everyone involved gets banned. This is silly.

[–]SocialEcology53431 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

They should have remained banned after posting about white genocide in South Africa. Support.

[–]Hannibal_Lecturer -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

Sorry, but since this one seems to be the most serious -and most persistent- of the -disingenuous- accusations against him, I have to clear some misconceptions about it. The "white genocide" issue came up during a time when certain users were using some variation kill whitey or Fuck yourself and die white boy to push peoples buttons -Note that prominent users still do it 1 and 2.- Min tried to get them to stop by claiming that was racist and against the AOP but they countered that the racism only refers to institutionalized racism and since whites are the powerful group it only refers to acts of aggression perpetrated by whites so min responded with various atrocities where whites were not the aggressor like the Hutu and Tutsi massacres or the attacks against white farmers in Uganda (which as I know is a legitimate issue). Sadly one of websites he cited was terrible even though it looked completely respectable at a first glance (it had a completely neutral title, Genocide Watch if memory serves me right). So, as you realize the whole issue was just about someone not wanting to be abused for his race in a supposedly anti-racist forum and being lazy with his cursory internet search with which he backed his position and it had absolutely nothing to do with white supremacy. Not that I have any trust in the sincerity of the accusation since the same people were out to get him long before this

[–]SocialEcology53431 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I really don't care about their intent. I care that they posted neo-nazi propaganda.

[–]fuckspeciesism -1ポイント0ポイント  (6子コメント)

Bans are pretend. Turn off your modem for five minutes and you get a brand new IP address. Nothing the admins can do about it.

See you on your next account Min! Hopefully at that point people will quit wasting everyone's time with these evidence-free shitpost proposals. Min is here for good, deal with it.

[–]Rad_q-a-v_Just Rhizoming 4ポイント5ポイント  (5子コメント)

You realize that you are openly advocating for people to use socks post-ban, right? That's beyond not okay. If that's your position you need to take your opinions somewhere else, because socks are only a detriment to how this whole MetaAnarchism organization is designed to work.

[–]rebelsdarklaughter 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

They are just stating what everyone knows. No need to get mad at them for telling the truth.

[–]Rad_q-a-v_Just Rhizoming 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

I'm not mad, it's just frustrating that in the thread where we might be able to get rid of a poster that is so poisonous to this community that we have weekly ban threads about them; they are talking about Min's future sock with a connotative glee.
Maybe I'm just frustrated by other things and need to get off the internet.

[–]rebelsdarklaughter 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I understand the frustration. I think it's better to just chill in this case, though.

[–]Hhtura [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

in the thread where we might be able to get rid of a poster

He's saying this isn't a thread where you might get rid of him to begin with.

[–]fuckspeciesism 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm not advocating for anything. I'm acknowledging the reality that bans are pretend.

[–]_drink_drank_drunk_ 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Support. Min constantly just touches the AOP then skates off crying moderator oppression or something. Constant borderline cases mixed with an unrepentant and self-righteous attitude. Can't even hide their socks properly. Contributes nothing worthwhile.

[–]analogueb -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

support, as long as all new sock account get banned as soon as they pop up.

[–]BMRGould -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Support, to be done with it. If they don't want to be a troll they can participate properly on a new account.

[–]flaxrabbit🐰 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Support.

I hope no one imagines this is a gleeful support as I cackle away in my hovel. Actually, I read this depressed, and with a sigh clicked comment. I'm so tired of the circus that /u/min_thamee pulls this sub through. It's a circular argument that just goes on and on. I believe every other option has been tried and failed. This seems like the only option to move forward, and I'm not even excited about it anymore.

[–]TheLoreAxe 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Support. Let them come back with a sock puppet they want to contribute without drama.

[–]Another_Dupont -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Support.

[–]Cosmic_Insurrection 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Support.

[–]Rad_q-a-v_Just Rhizoming 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

SUPPORT.
We don't need to deal with grey-area trolling any longer.

[–]Hannibal_Lecturer 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oppose

Min has voted for the demodding of emma and Enkara, the ban of a couple of users that voltairinde, emma, boilerpunx, lilit, enkara, cosmic_insurrection considered friends and has defended users like Reaganveg with whom they had a long standing vendetta. Does anyone think there is any chance that min will be judged fairly by those people? I don't think they will ever stop trying to get rid of him, either by conscious decision to bully him away or through the nth banned attempt. In this context the urge to get him banned is obvious but at least, let's stop pretending that this has anything to do with the "anti-oppression" or fairness and see it for what it actually is, two feuding fractions, one of which has gotten the upper hand and is taking out one by one the members of the other.

Min has endured more than a year soaking up insults by the same people, constantly getting told to to kill himself and being subjected to constant attempts at being worn down by a stream of ban threads (most of which by members of the mod team - with one throwing a tantrum and banning him unilaterally-) with the hope of either finally finding enough votes of making his stay too draining to be worth it, and has had every underhanded shit they could think of thrown his way, like reporting every single one of his comments, impersonating him through socks (here and here and most of the community thought that it was not a problem) and he is still being ridiculed for claiming that he is being singled out and targeted from people who have vendettas with him.

[–]Rvannith 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Strong oppose.

He's a douche. I disagree with his posts more often than not but the idea of banning him when he hasn't done anything particularly objectionable is not in line with building community: I feel as if his mildly objectionable behaviour is beat up into something worse by people who just want to ensure their own ideological supremacy, which is a far bigger threat.

[–]enucleated 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oppose

[–]andyogmClever flair -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Support

[–]jackrousseau 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

EDIT: Support, I'm sick of this. Let's also make it a package deal by banning the users who keep bringing it up too, if we should be so lucky.

[–]Newbunkle -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Support.

[–]Min_thamee 0ポイント1ポイント  (22子コメント)

The only consistent position I've took here, is that mods ban to many people. This naturally upsets the mods and they are now wanting to ban me for it. For sure, if /r/anarchism didn't have a semblance of "doing things the right way" they would have done it a long time ago, but they know they need a reason so the tactic is to jump on every post I make no matter what it is For example a poem about gender solidarity and claim that I am trolling.

They keep making post after post about me, yet with no evidence I have been oppressive in anyway to create the idea that I am "causing drama", yet all I have ever done is post here my ideas.

/u/sync0pate even admits that there is nothing wrong with my thread in meta, except that I made it.

The ultimatum is that everyone else who participates in meta drama is allowed to, but for some reason I am singled out and told I am not allowed to be a part of the community, when others here cause far more shit than I do.

I've been told to "lay off complaining"? I guarantee that if I was complaining about how moderators need to ban more people this wouldn't be an issue at all. Funny how people can post death threats as long as they're on the right side of the argument. but a simple poem or a discussion about overzealous banning results in you being labelled a troll.

I'm being singled out and punished for going against the majority opinion of meta, plain and simple.

[–]jackrousseau 0ポイント1ポイント  (21子コメント)

I guarantee that if I was complaining about how moderators need to ban more people this wouldn't be an issue at all.

No, it really would be an issue. I couldn't have been more clear about things yet literally ONE WEEK LATER you seem to have forgotten all the messages I've sent you. I was trying to help you and you turned around and started trolling me by pretending you don't know what I was talking about.

[–]Min_thamee 1ポイント2ポイント  (20子コメント)

I was given contradictory messages by the moderators.

Some said the warning had nothing to do with the poem

Others said that I shouldn't post anything like that again.

I asked you repeatedly for a link to a post I made that was out of line or trolling and you repeatedly told me to read the modmail. After I read the modmail I asked for clarification and you still refused to link me to a post I have made.

So far no one has been able to link me to any post I have made that shows I have broken the AOP.

[–]jackrousseau 1ポイント2ポイント  (19子コメント)

Are you trying to fucking gaslight me here? At no point did I ever claim you broke the AOP or that you were definitely trolling or anything. I said that you would definitely not be banned for the poem, because that would be stupid.

What I most importantly said was that you should stay away from a small number of topics to develop your reputation so that you don't cause so much drama from people who don't trust your intentions. But you couldn't listen, could you? You couldn't just go along with the sensible advice I (and others) were giving you, and instead had to try and troll me, and now gaslight me?

You obviously have a knack for making enemies. Now, what I'm doing is gathering up all the sockpuppets and let the admins sort it out how they will, which I feel will resolve the situation in a most satisfactory way. I'm just sick of this nonsense. I'm also changing my vote to support your ban regardless of what happens with the admins, because it's clear you're more interested in meta-trolling the community than anything else (was it really that hard to not write meta posts about moderation? really?). Of course in fairness this is also identically true of some other users, who have been just as annoying in trying to get rid of you, and at this point I would happily vote to ban some of them too in some sort of "package deal".

[–]fuckspeciesism 0ポイント1ポイント  (12子コメント)

was it really that hard to not write meta posts about moderation?

Why shouldn't they? I really don't think mods should be telling people that they'll be banned for criticizing mods in a subreddit designed for just such activities.

[–]jackrousseau [スコア非表示]  (11子コメント)

They shouldn't because it's causing large amounts of pointless drama and many people think they are trolling by doing so. It's so easy to just not be a troll and build up a good reputation elsewhere and then come back to these discussions.

In any real life community abusing these processes to be a troll (or giving the appearance of being a troll) would get you tossed out. Hell even in America you would get labeled a "vexatious litigant" and a judge would have to pre-approve any civil action you make from then on.

[–]fuckspeciesism [スコア非表示]  (10子コメント)

The mods need to have some self-awareness, because it takes two to tango. Can't go on a banning spree and then say that the person questioning it is the one creating the drama.

[–]jackrousseau [スコア非表示]  (9子コメント)

Actually we can go on a banning spree of brigading Gamergaters without needing to explain the obvious, yeah.

[–]fuckspeciesism [スコア非表示]  (8子コメント)

Then own the drama you create when you ban people based only on their position in one of the most murky events of recent history. Every action has consequences, and you can't expect anarchists (of all people) to sit quietly while things they disagree with transpire. That doesn't make them trolls, it makes them anarchists who happen to disagree with you. That's okay, we can handle disagreement. Being annoyed is not sufficient cause to take away someone's voice.

[–]jackrousseau [スコア非表示]  (7子コメント)

Then own the drama you create when you ban people based only on their position in one of the most murky events of recent history.

You can't be fucking serious right now. Banning hardcore gamergater trolls ranting about anarchists is now something we have to vote on each time, and is controversial in this community? Are you for real? Let's take a vote on /u/Hitler_Swastika and /u/Kill_the_Jews too, might offend someone, they're just part of some murky events in recent history after all and just happen to disagree with us (which we can handle).

Based on this comment alone I'm tagging you as a concern troll and I'll judge anything else you write accordingly.

[–]Min_thamee 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

At no point did I ever claim you broke the AOP or that you were definitely trolling or anything. I said that you would definitely not be banned for the poem, because that would be stupid.

Then what have I done?!?!

You say you never thought I was a troll, but you tell me not to post certain topics. Why do you let other whiners effect you as a mod?

What sockpuppets? Alookyaw is my old account, min_thami too. I've never denied that and everyone knows.

was it really that hard to not write meta posts about moderation? really?

If I think people are overstepping and not being transparent, why shouldn't I say something. What you're doing is saying "you can post here, but because some petty whiners don't like your opinions, you can't post in meta anymore, and if you do, it has to support the mods"

You may not realise this, but I actually used to respect you and I thought that you being a mod would actually help make a balance here, but I can't stand the way you talk down to me like I'm some sort of kid.

[–]jackrousseau [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Then what have I done?!?!

You cause drama, not wholly of your own making but sufficiently so that you can be labeled a primary cause. Communities throw out people who abuse processes and constantly troll or give the appearance of trolling, all the time, even if they're not formally breaking a rule. In the US a judge would call you a "vexatious litigant". It is in fact a thing.

Furthermore the decisions of the mod team as a whole have been overwhelmingly tolerant, to the point where we had just very small demands ("stop whining about moderation styles") and you couldn't even handle them for much more than a week. We can't trust you and you've had enough chances. I have zero faith that you will listen to anything we say in the interests of making the community get along better.

What sockpuppets?

I honestly have no idea who has the sockpuppets. I'm hoping the admins will be able to ban the people. I am fairly confident that they aren't yours, in fact, but I don't care, I'm just tired of it. If they're yours, I'll be happy about shadowbans. If they're from some mods, I'll be happy about shadowbans. If it turns out I have a Fight Club-style alterego that comes on at night and makes sockpuppets to troll people, I'll be fucking overjoyed about the shadowbans. Do you get the picture?

If I think people are overstepping and not being transparent, why shouldn't I say something.

I wouldn't have minded that last post you made as much except for the fact that a) you dishonestly ignored the obvious fact that we were fighting off a Gamergater brigade and b) IT CAUSES DRAMA BECAUSE MANY PEOPLE THINK YOU ARE A TROLL. When you further these perceptions and get accusations of trolling, you double down and whine about moderation and other people being mean! Well no shit, stop acting troll-like and you will ward away accusations. I in fact was very clear that I would fight bullshit about you as long as you agreed to that one tiny condition, which you couldn't manage.

You may not realise this, but I actually used to respect you and I thought that you being a mod would actually help make a balance here, but I can't stand the way you talk down to me like I'm some sort of kid.

Do you realize that I did try to make a balance until you pissed me off? You burned that bridge, not me. I don't have unlimited patience. If you don't want to get condescending remarks aimed your way, then don't try to troll and gaslight someone trying to deal with this shit.

[–]Min_thamee [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

You cause drama, not wholly of your own making but sufficiently so that you can be labeled a primary cause.

Who else causes the drama then? Name names\

In the US a judge would call you a "vexatious litigant". It is in fact a thing.

Didn't realise this was a US court.

Communities throw out people who abuse processes and constantly troll or give the appearance of trolling

Communities also allow people to criticize moderation without being labelled a troll. Anarchist comunities also don't tell people to stop criticising leadership, especially when they don't make personal attacks.

Do you realize that I did try to make a balance until you pissed me off?

You realise that I was trying to make a balance with you? I tried so many times SO MANY TIMES to ask you why you felt I should be warned and all I got was "some people here think you're a troll". I was never linked to any specific post.

I've always been open with my opinions and have always tried to make amends. I'm sorry if you're annoyed by me. It really frustrates me that this community devolves into mudslinging and accusations so fucking easily. If we met in real life, It'd be easier to explain, things get lost on the internet, people misinterpret everything and that humanity gets lost.

I'm sorry you are angry, hell I get angry all the time at shit here and I know it's shitty to feel that way. You know how it feels to express your opinions and get a slew of comments telling you that you're a fascist for doing so? or people trying to bully you away? it ain't nice. This sub isn't even anarchism anymore. I never wanted to fight, but when people (not you) start accusing me of being something I'm not then I'm gonna respond, and if that's trolling, then I'm a troll.

I ain't even talking to you and you aren't talking to me anymore, we're talking to online personas and what we imagine the other person to be. I give up with this shit. from one anarchist to another, peace.

[–]jackrousseau [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

we're talking to online personas and what we imagine the other person to be

No. You are taking the 10% of my comments in a vacuum and responding to them, dropping the other 90% of useful context. You responded to very little of my comment.

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