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Health & medicineLabiaplasty - The Australian Classification Board decides what vaginas must look like in soft porn. If a vagina has excess tissue it may be labelled as "offensive", so porn companies must digitally edit or remove parts of the labia, leading to only one type of vagina see in porn magazines (2010) (vimeo.com)

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[–]morrigan1 2236ポイント2237ポイント  (1297子コメント)

Australian boys must be shocked when they see their first vagina.

[–]fenrisulfur 1084ポイント1085ポイント  (791子コメント)

or you know go on the internet.

Here in Iceland porn in any way shape or form is illegal. Now in the olden days it was more manageable but now we have the internet. A few years ago we had a MP that wanted to filter the internet and take out the porn, I kid you not.

Edit: wow I don't know why I was ranting like that. Sorry about that.

[–]morrigan1 810ポイント811ポイント  (679子コメント)

I didn't think that Iceland was that repressed.

[–]fenrisulfur 582ポイント583ポイント  (316子コメント)

You would be surprised. People thing that Iceland is the bastion of freedom when our laws are in fact more draconian than most.

[–]morrigan1 165ポイント166ポイント  (48子コメント)

Iceland does seem like it's pretty isolated so I guess that would have something to do with it.

[–]RatsLiveInPalmTrees 60ポイント61ポイント  (98子コメント)

Yeah the last news story I heard about Iceland was that the government wouldn't let a mother name her kid what she wanted. It was Icelandic in origin, just not a girls name. Crazy.

[–]NetheralTop Contributor 48ポイント49ポイント  (22子コメント)

Yeah, we have a thing called "mannanafnanefnd" (basically a committee that decides what names are legal to name your child), and they often ban very sensible, often beautiful names, meanwhile they allow names like "Ljótur" (literal translation "ugly") or "Bolli" (literal translation "cup").

[–]KDLGates 85ポイント86ポイント  (6子コメント)

mannanafnanefnd

This is one of the few names the rest of the world would ban.

[–]Might_Be_an_Acronym 32ポイント33ポイント  (3子コメント)

What's the phonetic translation for "mannanafnanefnd?" It looks like you just had a stroke and had a violent spasm on your keyboard.

[–]byukid_ 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wow the minions are even sponsoring state run naming boards?

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    [–]miasmic 103ポイント104ポイント  (40子コメント)

    They actually did allow her in the end, the government's decision was overturned on appeal.

    Iceland has very a different system for names, which is why they control what names are allowed for children.

    In the Icelandic naming system children take the surname of their parents first name and "son" e.g. "Johansson", so if someone is given a stupid first name it means their children in turn will be stuck with it as a surname.

    Additionally first names are far more significant in Iceland as they don't use anything like Mr, Mrs, Madam or Sir, or adress people by surname - people are addressed just by their first name - so in formal situations, having a name of the other gender would be way more likely to cause confusion/embarassment than it would elsewhere.

    [–]RatsLiveInPalmTrees 32ポイント33ポイント  (31子コメント)

    I can see the argument, it just seems like a lot more micromanaging than should be done by the government.

    [–]RubiksCoffeeCup 21ポイント22ポイント  (5子コメント)

    There's also the simple desire to protect a minority culture (in relation to the world's population). You can't gain citizenship without having a good work ethic as attested to by past employers, learning the language, and passing an exam on Icelandic history, for example.

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        [–]mariapauls 16ポイント17ポイント  (24子コメント)

        haha yeah it's a rule that all names of icelandic children must be registered names in iceland. Crazy rules- but I would never name my child a name that wasn't icelandic... (to clarify- i'm icelandic haha)

        [–]Leovinus_JonesTop Contributor 27ポイント28ポイント  (15子コメント)

        But to be fair, the lists of names are pretty long:

        http://www.nordicnames.de/wiki/List_of_approved_Icelandic_male_names

        http://www.nordicnames.de/wiki/List_of_approved_Icelandic_female_names

        Hey - what happens when someone wants to immigrate to Iceland and their name isn't on the approved list? Do they have to change their name?

        [–][deleted] 23ポイント24ポイント  (2子コメント)

        This is a question I need answered, as my name is Skeletor P-Funk

        [–]phaseMonkeyTop Contributor 17ポイント18ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Your kids will have awesome surnames. Skeletorson!

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          [–]1sttimeposting 9ポイント10ポイント  (6子コメント)

          I have family is Iceland and they said in order to gain citizenship you need to take an Icelandic name. But they weren't sure how it works exactly because let's say Kim Jong-eun were getting Icelandic citizenship. He changes his 'first' name (Jong-eun) to Ásbjörn. Would he follow the Icelandic naming standard for his patronym, and be Ásbjörn Jong-ilsson? Or would he just have to like make up an Icelandic name for his father be Ásbjörn Ægirsson?

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                [–]DNGR_S_PAPERCUTTop Contributor 345ポイント346ポイント  (81子コメント)

                I had to google that word, "draconian". interesting background, it comes from the ancient greek statesman Draco. His laws were hilariously harsh. For example, stealing a head of cabbage would get you the death sentence. And if you borrowed money from someone of your own class or lower, you simply had to pay them back. But if you borrowed from someone that was higher class, you now became their slave. This Draco guy must have been a really hard ass.

                [–]PerogiXWTop Contributor 330ポイント331ポイント  (14子コメント)

                For example, stealing a head of cabbage would get you the death sentence.

                Eye for an eye, head for a head.

                [–]-TheCabbageMerchant- 157ポイント158ポイント  (6子コメント)

                A law I can finally get behind.

                [–]Ampycus 39ポイント40ポイント  (5子コメント)

                He must have ruled all the small villages in Skyrim too. Never saw so many people that wanted to die to avenge a chicken :(

                [–]-TheCabbageMerchant- 11ポイント12ポイント  (3子コメント)

                The first chicken I killed was the last. I never expected to get jumped for shooting it.

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                  [–]Hobes452 109ポイント110ポイント  (1子コメント)

                  MY CABBAGES!

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                    [–]Weavel 154ポイント155ポイント  (14子コメント)

                    Sounds like the sort of rules kids make up when playing games in school. What a twat.

                    [–]Cezoone 185ポイント186ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    "If one citizen of a lower rank is questioned by a citizen of a higher rank as to why they keep hitting themself, the citizen of higher rank will be found guiltless as the question does imply that they are not in fact causing the citizen of lower rank to hit themself"

                    [–]IamsqueegeeTop Contributor 52ポイント53ポイント  (3子コメント)

                    But not an extra fleshy twat.

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                        [–]captainkalebTop Contributor 32ポイント33ポイント  (17子コメント)

                        Do people actually think that though? I think most people assume you only got 4-5 people living there anyway.

                        [–]dethb0yTop Contributor 29ポイント30ポイント  (14子コメント)

                        i've known a few people who think that iceland is a bastion of open-arms freedom because it did that stuff with the banks. It's easy to judge a place on a single action, for most people.

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                            [–]Mr-Magnus 82ポイント83ポイント  (29子コメント)

                            Nota bene The law was set in 1940, never removed nor ammended, and only bans distributing porn. It's perfectly legal to view, own and create it as long as you aren't trying to sell or distribute it. even then it's just a leftover of an age long dead. Nobody at all (except the very prude ones) try to repress porn. Most just enjoy it as any other first world country.

                            [–]haxdal 24ポイント25ポイント  (2子コメント)

                            That law hasn't been enforced in 30-40 years, we still have (some) slutty mags in stores and used to have porn sections in the bigger video rental places. There was even a TV station back in the day that produced (or bought Icelandic made) softcore porn and in most of the IPTV services there is an "adult" channel.

                            [–][deleted] 267ポイント268ポイント  (313子コメント)

                            They had a hardcore feminist government, Iceland is called "the most feminist country in the world" which is why they banned porn, strippers, prostitutes, anything offensive to women.

                            edit: For those downvoting me cause they don't like facts, here is a copy and paste of the source I linked down below:

                            http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2010/mar/25/iceland-most-feminist-country

                            Iceland is fast becoming a world-leader in feminism. A country with a tiny population of 320,000, it is on the brink of achieving what many considered to be impossible: closing down its sex industry.

                            ...

                            Iceland has passed a law that will result in every strip club in the country being shut down.

                            ...

                            Even more impressive: the Nordic state is the first country in the world to ban stripping and lapdancing for feminist, rather than religious, reasons. Kolbrún Halldórsdóttir, the politician who first proposed the ban, firmly told the national press on Wednesday: "It is not acceptable that women or people in general are a product to be sold." When I asked her if she thinks Iceland has become the greatest feminist country in the world, she replied: "It is certainly up there. Mainly as a result of the feminist groups putting pressure on parliamentarians. These women work 24 hours a day, seven days a week with their campaigns and it eventually filters down to all of society."

                            ...

                            Johanna Sigurðardottir is Iceland's first female and the world's first openly lesbian head of state. Guðrún Jónsdóttir of Stígamót, an organisation based in Reykjavik that campaigns against sexual violence, says she has enjoyed the support of Sigurðardottir for their campaigns against rape and domestic violence: "Johanna is a great feminist in that she challenges the men in her party and refuses to let them oppress her."

                            ...

                            Jónsdóttir is confident that the law will create a change in attitudes towards women. "I guess the men of Iceland will just have to get used to the idea that women are not for sale."

                            [–]morrigan1 198ポイント199ポイント  (152子コメント)

                            As a woman that sounds boring as fuck.

                            [–]uppstoppadElefant 38ポイント39ポイント  (10子コメント)

                            In Scandinavia we don't have as many religious prudes as the US. In the US you have a religious right that is moralists and a lot of lefties are pro sex. Here it is the opposite. The left has taken a moralist/prudish stance and the christian right doesn't really exist.

                            [–]HMTheEmperor 22ポイント23ポイント  (3子コメント)

                            so basically stupidity can exist on either end of the spectrum :|

                            [–]l84dinneragain 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            so basically stupidity can exist on either end of the spectrum :|

                            And everywhere in between! Stupidity is truly equal opportunity!

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                                  [–]Posty2k3 73ポイント74ポイント  (100子コメント)

                                  I've never understood this line of thinking. Feminism is supposed to be about freedom of choice and equality, right? I always wonder how this gets skewed into, "We know what's better for you women, so we're going to ban these from even being an option for you."

                                  I've always found it ironic that you tend to find claims, under the guise of feminism, that sexual liberation is a big path to equality, or that anything "dirty" shouldn't be allowed in the first place.

                                  Personally, I find the thought that people essentially telling these women, "You don't know any better to make a rational choice for yourself" to be completely opposite of what I've always understood feminism to be about.

                                  [–]DietOfTheMind 52ポイント53ポイント  (82子コメント)

                                  Note I'm not 100% if I agree with the followiing, but if you're interested in understanding, here's an example of why some feminist theory supports banning sex-trade (including pornography):

                                  Human trafficking is illegal, and yet, it can involve only consenting adults. An extremely poor worker from China can decide to get packed in to a shipping container full of shit and piss, so that they can work in a sweat-shop in LA for peanuts (but more than Chinese peanuts). This is illegal and no one goes "why do we think we know what's better for these folks?" We ban it because it's exploitation.

                                  Similarly the individual choice of a woman to work in sex-trade could possibly benefit her. Some call-girls make a lot of money, some porn-stars are quite successful. But broadly, and for most women involved with it, sex-trade is not good for the workers, and it's not good for men, in that it encourages them to see women as objects to be bought and paid for, which then in turn makes society worse for women.

                                  The truth is, in the Meccas of European sex-trade, a very significant number of women are trafficked, and many must use drugs to deal with the traumatic effects of being constantly objectified.

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                                    [–]Mr_BeGTop Contributor 92ポイント93ポイント  (27子コメント)

                                    it is not acceptable that women or people in general are a product to be sold

                                    I feel like this would apply to every job. Every person who works is selling their skills, their time, and themselves.

                                    In my public speaking class we had a chapter on interviews, and the main point was that the interviewees should "sell themselves" during the interview.

                                    Maybe this is a bad way to think about it though. I don't know.

                                    EDIT

                                    Do other people see a "top contributor" tag next to my name? How and why do I have that?

                                    [–]wappingite 77ポイント78ポイント  (14子コメント)

                                    There's something about sex or sexuality that some people find offensive to sell.

                                    Which is pretty weird when you consider:

                                    being paid to wipe shit off walls of public toilets (literally being paid usually minimum wage to remove the stu

                                    being paid to clean up nuclear waste

                                    being paid to model naked for art

                                    being paid to be a PR person and talk about how great someone else is.

                                    .. are all acceptable jobs.

                                    It's thoroughly strange that people feel it is their right to prevent other consenting adults from doing what they want with the only thing they are born with and have for their entire life - their body.

                                    Then the more i think about it -if we all had a much more relaxed attitude toward the buying and selling of sexual services; it'd change society too much for some people to cope with.

                                    If there was no stigma associated with sex work and it was just part of life, many people would, I believe, simply see it as a natural and helpful outlet to the daily grind. And likewise if sex work was regulated and made safer for everyone, many people in the industry or who aren't but are thinking about it, would realise that there's good money to be made for looking good and being good at a physical activity.

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                                          [–]JerryLupusTop Contributor 196ポイント197ポイント  (12子コメント)

                                          Yeah, the UK tried that too. Turns out it was the higher ups that wanted to keep the kiddie porn all for themselves.

                                          [–]Sevlins 78ポイント79ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                          It's been long stated that claims of "lets protect the kids" or "we're protecting you from terrorists" have little to do with the real motivation behind online security laws.

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                                            [–]whisky_and_blues 27ポイント28ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                            That sounds a bit like what happens when the parliament is like a town meeting and you can't really say in any professional kind of way that porn should be legal, because everybody knows you too well and your mother and your aunts are also there.

                                            [–]IvanLyon 97ポイント98ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                            live near a small Welsh town that erupted in anger when a chain sex store wanted to open a branch in the high street. When they were refused planning, the company let it be known that they wanted to open the store because the town's population order so much from them online. Brilliant

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                                              [–]CloberellaTop Contributor 191ポイント192ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                              And many Australian girls probably feel weird about their bodies now. Way to go, AU.

                                              [–]CuntyTheDownvoteGod 80ポイント81ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                              Australia is fucking retarded when it comes to censorship, I am sorry.

                                              [–]lichlord 998ポイント999ポイント  (230子コメント)

                                              You're worried about guys.

                                              Think about girls who already deal a lot of pressure to look a certain way from advertisements, and who now have the government censors saying their anatomy is too disturbing for the general public.

                                              [–]INACCURATE_RESPONSE 240ポイント241ポイント  (67子コメント)

                                              Small breasts and female ejaculation are both banned in pornography in australia too.

                                              [–]deal-with-it- 255ポイント256ポイント  (14子コメント)

                                              So they ban small breasts, presumably on fears of actresses looking too young - but then ban labias on pussies thus making it look like everyone has a child-like vagina? Aussies you need to figure your shit out.

                                              EDIT: Okay Guys, I could have expressed me better. I see you get all upset because it makes no sense... Well that's the point. I've dated girls with small breasts, big breasts, small and large labia, damn people are different! You can't force a standard on any one with any reason. Trying to justify this on any reason, even "child-like" is really "chestnuts"!

                                              [–]bozwizard14 84ポイント85ポイント  (45子コメント)

                                              australia is ridiculous! How did these laws even come about...

                                              [–]justicecupcakes 251ポイント252ポイント  (38子コメント)

                                              It is ridiculous. There's several groups that have been protesting it for a while. The small breasts thing is apparently because they don't want to cater to paedophiles (which is fucking stupid btw. An adult woman with small breasts is nothing like a child) and the female ejaculation thing is because the female body and female pleasure is seen as obscene. You'll notice that in Australia, anything with male nudity is MA15+, but anything with female nudity is R18+. It's disgusting, but I wouldn't expect much better. Our prime minister has had a few 'interesting' things to say about women, including:

                                              “What the housewives of Australia need to understand as they do the ironing is that if they get it done commercially it’s going to go up in price and their own power bills when they switch the iron on are going to go up.”

                                              "Sex is a man’s right to demand."

                                              “I think it would be folly to expect that women will ever dominate or even approach equal representation in a large number of areas simply because their aptitudes, abilities and interests are different for physiological reasons”

                                              He's also said that gay people make him feel threatened. His sister is gay.

                                              He's against people coming to Australia on boat because Jesus apparently knew there is a place for everybody "And that place is not necessarily Australia" He came here on boat.

                                              So none of these laws are going to change any time soon, I'm afraid. Our government is led by a dickhead.

                                              [–]remierkTop Contributor 28ポイント29ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                              So is he going to get facial reconstruction surgery now? Because he's a fuckin' cunt.

                                              [–]escalat0rTop Contributor 38ポイント39ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                              The small breast thing is ridiculous in two ways, the one obvious one 1. Some woman have small breasts and that's totally fine, many people prefer it that way when they're watching porn and 2. If they would cater to pedophiles wouldn't this be kind of ideal? A pedophile jerking it to completely legal and consensual porn rather than finding kiddie porn on the Internet? Not like their sexual desire is going to change anyway.

                                              [–]themountainghouls 43ポイント44ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                              I remember when he was first elected and people were freaking out. now I see why.

                                              [–]INACCURATE_RESPONSE 29ポイント30ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                              Our prime minister has had a few 'interesting' things to say about women, including

                                              You mean the Minister for Women?

                                              [–]0_Flux_Given 28ポイント29ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                              TIL I am basically completely illegal in Australian porn terms. Awesome.

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                                                    [–]ellieelaine 395ポイント396ポイント  (74子コメント)

                                                    Imagine yourself as a teenage girl, undressing for the first time for your boyfriend, only to hear him go, "WHY DOES IT LOOK LIKE THAT??" Way to set a girl up for a lifetime of shame.

                                                    [–]jarymane00 171ポイント172ポイント  (50子コメント)

                                                    Oh that happens in America already :(

                                                    [–]ResRevolutionTop Contributor 37ポイント38ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                    Basically what happened to me.

                                                    "Wow, that's so disgusting, it makes me want to puke."

                                                    Cool, thanks guy.

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                                                      [–]LegsForAboutAnHour 134ポイント135ポイント  (21子コメント)

                                                      Yeah, this makes me feel like shit. My boyfriend actually likes my labia, but I've been considering labiaplasty ever since I was a little girl because of things like this. I know I'm not the only one who thinks like that and it makes me very sad for other girls.

                                                      [–]InvidiasFury 15ポイント16ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                      I'm not sexually active (by choice, low interest) and I considered labiaplasty because I thought I looked strange. It wasn't til several open-minded female friends compared theirs out of curiosity that I realized that we were all well within normal. Thank you, alcohol.

                                                      [–]LegsForAboutAnHour 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                      Yup, I thought mine was very strange too until some friends and I checked a site that had all types of labia on it and I saw many like mine and also from seeing other women's in real life!

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                                                        [–]DustyPixie 25ポイント26ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                        Me too Wasn't until I hit my 30s that I became comfortable with mine. And some subreddit browsing helped me realize I'm not a freak...

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                                                          [–]jarymane00 106ポイント107ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                          And when boys grow up thinking what they see in porn is real, and think a small breasted girl with labia is "unnatural" and gross because it is a different body than all the other hundreds he's jacked off to on the Internet....well there's a problem.

                                                          Gonna make it even worse for young women to accept their bodies. And for young men to know what actual, normal female bodies look like. This is awful.

                                                          [–]morrigan1 68ポイント69ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                          That's a very valid point.

                                                          [–]Roller_ballTop Contributor 24ポイント25ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                          I couldn't imagine. In the US, it is amazing how many guys think an unshaven vagina has hair that looks like a vertical racing stripe.

                                                          [–]girlgeek_glasses 48ポイント49ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                          This should be the top ranked comment.

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                                                            [–]sussinmysussness 286ポイント287ポイント  (172子コメント)

                                                            Australian boy here. I've seen my fair share of vaginas and I prefer a nice neat tucked in vagina with no exposed labia minora. I'm now questioning whether my preference has been molded by media through my formative masturbatory years. Food for thought.

                                                            [–]betterhelp 62ポイント63ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                                            Interesting. Aussie guy here too and from watching plenty of porn I've see a wide range of different vaginas in porn, and I *like both large and small labia.

                                                            If anything I think for me porn has let me see a larger array of different vaginas.

                                                            [–]dazonicTop Contributor 38ポイント39ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                            … and I both large and small labia.

                                                            I think you missed a word, maybe "have"?

                                                            [–]betterhelp 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                            Hahaha whoops... Like... I like both large and small labia.

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                                                                [–]Dogmamomma 47ポイント48ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                Of course it has. That doesn't mean you are wrong to have your preference, just biased. But do you find larger ones repulsive? To me, that's the real danger in the media censorship. That men would be disgusted by fleshier women.

                                                                [–]onefeelplease 55ポイント56ポイント  (21子コメント)

                                                                I doubt it, I prefer a more interesting labia (bigger) and I grew up with 56k porn. I also love pubic hair and think a woman looks weird with it absent just like if she were to remove her eyebrows. I'm 26 if that makes any difference.

                                                                [–]MemoryLapse 19ポイント20ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                I prefer a manageable trim, as that's what I do. Full bush can make going for lunch tough in terms of breathing, and stubble is irritating.

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                                                                    [–]onefeelplease 25ポイント26ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                                    We're actually not as stupid as the weirdos that make these rules most of the time.

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                                                                      [–]Hemmer83 291ポイント292ポイント  (46子コメント)

                                                                      Wow that was graphic surgery

                                                                      [–]d_migster 84ポイント85ポイント  (13子コメント)

                                                                      Yeah, kind of nope'd out at the 2 minute mark.

                                                                      [–]ThrowbackPie 49ポイント50ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                                      Same. but it was more 'aaaaaaarghfuckthisshit'd out.

                                                                      [–]Hegiman 27ポイント28ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                      Pussy, I cringed my way through that shit.

                                                                      [–]Cucurucho78 25ポイント26ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                      Me too. Then I screamed again when I thought of her pain trying to pee post surgery.

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                                                                          [–]michi098 394ポイント395ポイント  (43子コメント)

                                                                          Fantastic. Now half of all Australian girls growing up will think they have a offensive vagina.

                                                                          [–]smartzieTop Contributor 217ポイント218ポイント  (21子コメント)

                                                                          That's what is really killing me about this whole thing. How can one type of labia be deemed "offensive"? How...who....what is the basis for determining what a "proper" vagina looks like, anyway? Why is this a discussion at all?! It's one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard of....wtf, Australia.

                                                                          [–]THROWINCONDOMSATSLUTTop Contributor 27ポイント28ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                          I didn't even realize that my labia was something I was supposed to be concerned about. It never crossed my mind that I needed to worry if it comes off as offensive or not to men. Go figure. Figured a guy wouldn't really care how my labia looks so long as it's clean and healthy.

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                                                                            [–]Bebeness 50ポイント51ポイント  (11子コメント)

                                                                            Probably more than half. I don't know many women who have a porn-ready vagina.

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                                                                              [–]ponytarado 520ポイント521ポイント  (18子コメント)

                                                                              What a bunch of cunts.

                                                                              [–]CeejaeTop Contributor 149ポイント150ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                              We're not all bad in Australia. My neighbor six houses down is a pretty decent bloke.

                                                                              So naturally I stole his mail and egged his car.

                                                                              [–]PanzerdrekTop Contributor 31ポイント32ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                              Sanctimonious wanker had it coming if you ask me.

                                                                              [–]CeejaeTop Contributor 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                              Right? The other day I saw him give money to a homeless person, obviously just to make me look bad.

                                                                              [–]feedabeast 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                              Six houses down? It must have taken you hours to get there!

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                                                                                [–]EdwardScissorHands11 24ポイント25ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                                                                Well said

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                                                                                  [–]EasternEuropeSlaveTop Contributor 1047ポイント1048ポイント  (58子コメント)

                                                                                  This is the most retarded thing I witnessed today. wat

                                                                                  [–]Razputin7 616ポイント617ポイント  (31子コメント)

                                                                                  If you want to see more, please look at literally anything else in Australian politics.

                                                                                  [–]fancyhatman18 161ポイント162ポイント  (17子コメント)

                                                                                  Then you didn't see australia's ban on "small breasts" because it was simulating child porn?

                                                                                  [–]ZealotKingPrime 176ポイント177ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                                  Small tits? Nope! It encourages cp!

                                                                                  Not smooth, tight vag? Nope!

                                                                                  Lol

                                                                                  [–]mega_trexTop Contributor 26ポイント27ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                  Australia's government definitely thought this one through

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                                                                                    [–]RobinsEggTea 72ポイント73ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                                                                    false
                                                                                    They were stopping porn with titles like "barely legal" and the ladies in it all happened to have small breasts and someone pointed out the correlation and the rumour mill ate it up. They're crazy enough on their own we don't need to exaggerate.

                                                                                    [–]rentaroco 26ポイント27ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                                                    The Australian Classification Board (ACB) has confirmed to Somebody Think Of The Children that a person’s overall appearance is used by the Board to determine whether someone appears to look under the age of 18 in a film or publication.

                                                                                    …

                                                                                    Asked whether breast size was considered by the Board when determining age, McDonald said he had no further comment to make.

                                                                                    I wouldn't really go as far as "false." Exaggerated maybe?

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                                                                                          [–]SprayManLoveOnMe 198ポイント199ポイント  (25子コメント)

                                                                                          Who the fuck buys magazines for porn anymore? Even in 2010.

                                                                                          [–]shanghaidry 177ポイント178ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                                                          I LIKE TO READ THE ARTICLES OK?!?

                                                                                          [–]argh523 27ポイント28ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                                          It's not about porn magazines, it's the standards for showing naughty bits for stuff that isn't porn. How much nudity is ok for a general audience, not just adults. So you can actually show a vagina in a normal magazine, but to make it not "sexualized" you can't show too much. Now the specifics of the distinction between what is and isn't ok has the unfortunate side effect that things that should just be porn is edited to look like the vagina of a 12 year old to make it tame enough to be acceptable. And now those are the only images of vaginas teenagers can seen in magazines everywhere, which is how this practice is setting unrealistic standards.

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                                                                                            [–]Shadow_Of_InvisibleTop Contributor 406ポイント407ポイント  (89子コメント)

                                                                                            Talk about setting unrealistic body standards...

                                                                                            [–]Covalency22 141ポイント142ポイント  (84子コメント)

                                                                                            Welcome to Porn 101: Setting unrealistic body standards for the sexually uneducated.

                                                                                            [–]Parsley_Sage 271ポイント272ポイント  (9子コメント)

                                                                                            Except that it's the government that did this.

                                                                                            [–]iTAMEi 63ポイント64ポイント  (72子コメント)

                                                                                            As an 18 year old male I'm starting to feel like this has really fucked me over

                                                                                            [–]captainflyte 113ポイント114ポイント  (53子コメント)

                                                                                            Gotta tell you as a woman who gets around, it is stupidly noticeable whether a guy has unrelaistic standards from porn. Younger or inexperianced guys I was with always question things like body hair or look sorta grossed out at the sight of a normal vagina. I could see the look in their faces and hear it in their voices and it makes me really uncomfortable lol. Its also obvious in their technique whether they are getting it from porn or from knowing what women actually like and what feels best.

                                                                                            Meanwhile the 29 year old guys who have had lots of sex don't look twice and actually seem to prefer the hair and "interesting bits." Really a huge difference to me. Technique is totally different. Just obvious.

                                                                                            So yes you are likely fucked up but you will get over it eventually. Just stop watching porn with supermodels and actually get some real action.

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                                                                                                  [–]ssavant 89ポイント90ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                                                                  We are medieval people who possess technology that surpasses us.

                                                                                                  [–]GrobuloxTop Contributor 80ポイント81ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                                                  How does a conversation like this get to this point without somebody having a moment of clarity and pointing out "guys, this is the stupidest thing I've ever debated. Is this really imperative?"

                                                                                                  [–]lodro 454ポイント455ポイント  (166子コメント)

                                                                                                  :'(

                                                                                                  It's so awful to think that there are people who feel pressured enough by a false image from media to have part of their genitals removed. Ugh!

                                                                                                  [–]poopsikinsss 264ポイント265ポイント  (55子コメント)

                                                                                                  This is different from your typical media representation though. Most of the images that the media shows we can readily see as false because we are confronted with the opposite every day. All those super skinny airbrushed models? We can look around and see people of different sizes and know what is normal. All those cosmetic ads with flawless, pore-free faces? We just have to look at the next 5 people to see that pores exist and those faces are fake.

                                                                                                  But how often do women see other women's genitals? I've gone my whole life without seeing another woman's labia in person. All I have is porn which, even outside Australia, tends to show a limited range.

                                                                                                  Additionally, the pressure isn't just coming from media. That images' influence reaches further into a larger social subconscious. Boys and men start to see those images and have false expectations. In recent years, almost all the men under 30 that I've been with have had this expectation that I should be completely shaved. I've got the confidence to tell them to take a hike because it's my body, but even if I didn't I could've just shaved. Now imagine that it's something that is just a part of your anatomy and can't be changed.

                                                                                                  (And I realize that porn also presents/glorifies a limited range of penises and this affects men as well, but I'm trying to put my comment in context with the documentary subject).

                                                                                                  [–]Snoozeybutton 122ポイント123ポイント  (42子コメント)

                                                                                                  I know this is beside the point, but I hate the expectation of bald vulvas. I have extremely sensitive skin down there and i honestly think it just looks so much worse bald -- razor burn makes it look like I have herpes or something. I just don't know how to win.

                                                                                                  And don't even get me started I how many times I've cut my labia. fuck that noise

                                                                                                  [–]CrossBreedP 21ポイント22ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                                  Me too. I bought a lady trimmer. I trim it down to 1/4 in. No stubble burn no ingrown hairs. Best decision ever. I like my lady garden.

                                                                                                  [–]JRutterbushTop Contributor 61ポイント62ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                                                  I prefer a shaved pubic area, but it's definitely not something I'd ever expect. That'd be like expecting everybody to dye their hair red because I like redheads. It's absolutely ridiculous.

                                                                                                  [–]iamadogand 47ポイント48ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                                  My GF shaves and I trim. We've talked about our own tastes and preferences and came to the mutual agreement that this is nicest for both parties. However, neither of us demands or expects this to happen. We choose to shave/trim because our partners like it and it doesn't put is out too much. If gf had more sensitive skin for example, it would be more effort for her to simply meet my preferences (as opposed to needs), so I wouldn't be upset if she chose not to shave.

                                                                                                  Expectations are bullshit. Communication is great. That's what I'm trying to say.

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                                                                                                      [–]small_havoc 28ポイント29ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                                      but I'm trying to put my comment in context with the documentary subject.

                                                                                                      Related, Embarrassing Bodies on C4 did an episode on a girl's "overly large" labia when I was about 17/18, and it very nearly ruined a college relationship because I was too scared to be touched. Thought he'd find me disgusting. I'd had sex before but we were both virgins and it was just before the episode had come out. But College Guy had more experience, had seen plenty of vagines in the wild. After I was making excuses for weeks, he said he felt taken advantage of because I'd do stuff for him but wouldn't let him touch mah vajay (which I found really upsetting because I was just scared, I didn't want him to feel bad, hence still doing stuff for him). So I let him and I was terrified, but it was fine. This was like years of shame and a month of pretty bad anxiety for me. And it still bothers me but really if someone gave that much of a shit, they are sooooo not worth sexing.

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                                                                                                        [–]frozen_vodka 91ポイント92ポイント  (18子コメント)

                                                                                                        I actually had a labiaplasty performed, and although a good half of it was because an ex made me feel horrible and ashamed of my anatomy (calling them beef curtains, complained about oral constantly because they were "gross," etc etc), half of it was also because they did made sex fairly uncomfortable because of their size. I'll just paste what I've said on it:

                                                                                                        I....actually had a labiaplasty, and I think it gets a horrible rap from women thinking it's all just for looks. And let me tell you: although I went in because I hated how I looked down there so it wasn't technically medically necessary, the procedure's changed my sex life for the better. I was never able to orgasm before having it, but when the doctor cut away the excess labia minora skin and sutured it together, it effectively gave me a clitoral hood reduction too, so I'm finally able to orgasm. I no longer have issues with lubrication not reaching the extra labial tissue (which often made sex hurt, as they'd pinch and get dragged inward by sex), and.....I dunno. I love the way I look down there now, I don't shy away from oral or feel embarrassed about how I look down there. For me, sex is a million times better and if I had to do it all again, even without the anesthesia, I would in a heartbeat.

                                                                                                        So yeah. Labiaplasty is also for medical/pleasure issues stemming from too much skin being in the way. Let's not condemn it just yet.

                                                                                                        [–]Nekrosis13 14ポイント15ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                                        I knew a girl who got it done for cosmetic reasons, and a pleasant side effect was that she gained the ability to have orgasms through clitoral stimulation. She couldn't before, and thought it was normal.

                                                                                                        [–]frozen_vodka 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                        I could always have clitoral orgasms, but now I need much less pressure and I can actually get off during sex with some light friction. Sex is a MILLION times better, and I have my labiaplasty to thank, so whenever I see people going "OMG labiaplasty is so horrible!" I just feel the need to chime in and say that it's been quite wonderful for me, and they may not be getting the full picture :)

                                                                                                        [–]lodro 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                                        Very interesting - thank you for sharing.

                                                                                                        I want to be clear: I don't mean to condemn the procedure, nor to claim that it shouldn't be available. I just don't believe it's right to give women an unrealistic aesthetic ideal of what their genitals ought to look like, and I'm disgusted at the thought of women modifying their genitals because they feel ashamed of their aesthetics.

                                                                                                        I think your former boyfriend was being a cunt, and I hope he never got a chance at your post-labiaplasty bits.

                                                                                                        But I'm glad to hear your experience, and that it was a good experience.

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                                                                                                          [–]shitisold 9ポイント10ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                                                          My parents had me circumcised because they didn't want me to be made fun of if I was uncut in gym classes or by females when i got older. So there's that still going on. At least someone has to be of age to get it done. I didn't have a choice.

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                                                                                                            [–]Nicklovinn 108ポイント109ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                                                                                            How disgracefully ignorant.

                                                                                                            [–]thetobester 75ポイント76ポイント  (9子コメント)

                                                                                                            I have a strong urge to air drop USB sticks all over Australia, featuring naked shots of small boobed women with huge labia.

                                                                                                            [–]lauraswoods 163ポイント164ポイント  (88子コメント)

                                                                                                            In Denmark it is actually illegal to get labiaplasty, because we have chosen to dissociate from the circumsition/genital mutilation of women and children in some African countries. (Unless it causes you a lot of discomfort)

                                                                                                            Another fun fact: In some African tribes, women pull each other's labia to stretch them and make them bigger, because there is a lot of pleasure in the sensitive labia...

                                                                                                            [–]bewarethetreebadger 114ポイント115ポイント  (52子コメント)

                                                                                                            So even for an adult, making a sovereign decision about her own body, it is illegal? That seems like one step forward, three steps back.

                                                                                                            [–]mega_trexTop Contributor 79ポイント80ポイント  (34子コメント)

                                                                                                            Exactly how I feel. Want to get labiaplasty for cosmetic reasons? Cool, go for it. Just be over 18 and pay for it full yourself.

                                                                                                            Need labiaplasty for discomfort? Cool, have a doctor refer it and have insurance cover it.

                                                                                                            There's no need to ban it completely. Same applies with male circumcision.

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                                                                                                              [–]zhongshiifu 35ポイント36ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                                              When I was a young kid I would stretch mine a bit. It feels really good, but I stopped doing it.

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                                                                                                                [–]FermiAnyon 76ポイント77ポイント  (13子コメント)

                                                                                                                You know, it's probably a good idea to give women a complex about how their privates look.

                                                                                                                [–]HeL10s 43ポイント44ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                                                This feels like something from /r/nottheonion

                                                                                                                edit:added a "/"

                                                                                                                [–]redditorriot 27ポイント28ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                                                Because vaginas are offensive.

                                                                                                                WTF.

                                                                                                                [–]23998673456456653444 31ポイント32ポイント  (10子コメント)

                                                                                                                the guys over at /r/butterflywings would loathe looking at australian porn.

                                                                                                                [–]HypnObscure 66ポイント67ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                                                It always saddens me when something that's supposed to be natural, feral and transcending like sex gets malformed and then used for a political agenda

                                                                                                                [–]afternoonofthefaun 105ポイント106ポイント  (10子コメント)

                                                                                                                Nice to know my body is considered "offensive". Thanks, Australian Classification Board, for reminding me how disgusting I am!

                                                                                                                /s

                                                                                                                [–]devospice 89ポイント90ポイント  (10子コメント)

                                                                                                                I'm sorry, but there's nothing offensive about a woman's body, whether it looks the way you "like it to" or not. This is ridiculous, and this "classification board" needs a smack upside their head.

                                                                                                                [–]jo-ha-kyu 35ポイント36ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                                                                                That's ridiculous. By what standard are things deemed "offensive"? How can a body part that is possessed by at least 50% of the population be "offensive"?

                                                                                                                I can understand it being "offensive" in a public situation, but in soft pornography? It's pornography, the people opening it want to be offended.

                                                                                                                [–]knobiknows 45ポイント46ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                                                I find Tony Abott's face offensive, should force news stations to edit it out.

                                                                                                                [–]SometimesDrunkAlot 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                                I like a nice offensive vagina

                                                                                                                [–]Tresdragones 22ポイント23ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                                                                I seriously grabbed my crotch, crossed my legs and winced watching that surgeon cut off her labia. Damn.

                                                                                                                [–]JoeRuinsEverythingTop Contributor 27ポイント28ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                                                                                Jesus fucking christ, why?! The actual surgery made me feel sick. Why would you ruin a perfectly normal vagina?

                                                                                                                [–]VagabondSamurai 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                                                The government dictates what a perfectly normal vagina is. Clearly, that pussy wasn't up to code. Hell, it wasn't even fit to be shown in a nudie mag without photoshopping.

                                                                                                                Just imagine that, if you are a woman, your government literally says that your vagina is too disgusting to be jerked off to. A little bit of genital mutilation seems like a small price to pay, right? And while your at it, get those A cups filled in as well, the government says you have the body of a little girl and any man who wants to have sex with you is a disgusting pedophile fantasizing about fucking a kindergartner.

                                                                                                                I think the nipples might come next---sorry, but if it's bigger than a quarter, things have to change.

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                                                                                                                  [–]ICANTTHINKOFAHANDLE 70ポイント71ポイント  (31子コメント)

                                                                                                                  I think some clarification is necessary. By 'soft core porn' they mean content in an unrestricted magazine (anyone can read it) sometimes has to be edited, but also seems to be a notion the industry has formulated rather than any solid law.

                                                                                                                  You can buy any R18+ magazine and you will see it all. But in an unrestricted, anyone can buy magazine it has to not be sexualised. Same way a male penis can be shown but must not be erect.

                                                                                                                  Here is an interview about it

                                                                                                                  [–][deleted] 145ポイント146ポイント  (22子コメント)

                                                                                                                  The clarification is useful, but does nothing to make this law OK. To say that one person's genitals are fine but others are offensive is just government sanctioned body shaming.

                                                                                                                  [–]DiplomjodlerTop Contributor 21ポイント22ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                                                                  Trying to regulate female sexuality has always been a favourite pastime of conservatives the world over. But going so far as trying to regulate what a cunt can look like, that has to be new.

                                                                                                                  [–][deleted] 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                                  Agreed. It's like they decided the ad industry wasn't doing enough to promote poor body image in women.

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                                                                                                                        [–]MuffPi314 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                                        WHAT? Really?

                                                                                                                        [–]spaceship-earth 24ポイント25ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                                                        I want a labia that can be seen when shes wearing snow pants.

                                                                                                                        [–]tanukis_parachute 8ポイント9ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                                                        yea...let's tell women and girls that they should have something else to affect their body image.

                                                                                                                        why can't people accept normal and natural as the standard?

                                                                                                                        largelabiaproject.org (also on tumblr) has been working on fighting this problem and trying to provide counseling about what normal is.

                                                                                                                        [–]JagoonderTop Contributor 30ポイント31ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                                                                                        Why...hello western industrialized female genital mutilation...

                                                                                                                        [–]acetominaphin 221ポイント222ポイント  (117子コメント)

                                                                                                                        You know, years ago I wanted to move to Australia. Then I started learning more and more about it, and every new bit of information that I have received, over the last decade plus has made me more and more glad I never moved there.

                                                                                                                        [–]Kenetic85 244ポイント245ポイント  (36子コメント)

                                                                                                                        Why? Because of some absurd bureaucratic nonsense no one pays any attention to anyway?

                                                                                                                        Not sure where you are from, but I'm Australian, and had similar thoughts about the US at one point. If I relied on the things I see on reddit to inform me about the place I would never step foot there again! Because no one cares about the good things, so no one talks about them.

                                                                                                                        I'm sure America is fine, and not full of murdering cops and religious nuts and mass shootings .

                                                                                                                        Australia is fine, and half the shit you see is never going to happen because this government will be gone next year anyway.

                                                                                                                        [–][deleted] 100ポイント101ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                                                                                                        Australia is fine, and half the shit you see is never going to happen because this government will be gone next year anyway.

                                                                                                                        Fuck me, I certainly hope so.

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                                                                                                                          [–]LeadbackTop Contributor 41ポイント42ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                                                          What country are you from? This odd requirement is extremely minor compared to the biggest issues in democracies.

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                                                                                                                            [–]Lionfish_Attack 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                                            This is something I would rather not learn first thing when I wake up.

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