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Australian government considers chemically castrating paedophiles (metro.co.uk)

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[–]SauerKraus 227ポイント228ポイント  (69子コメント)

‘We must do everything possible to reduce that [recidivism] figure."

Except chemically castrate wrongly convicted people, please.

[–]deimosusn 159ポイント160ポイント  (13子コメント)

It's also important to remember that is easy for an over eager investigator to plant false memories in kids. They are very suggestable, and can be lead into making false accusations.

It happened several times in the US, with multiple people being wrongly convicted.

[–]FockSmulder 35ポイント36ポイント  (4子コメント)

Ever seen The Hunt?

[–]Ephemeris 19ポイント20ポイント  (1子コメント)

That was a frustrating film to watch

[–]butthole_commander 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

It was exactly what we would expect from people though. The thing is we knew he was wrongly accused from the start.

[–]2001em2 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Or West of Memphis

[–]stan11003 32ポイント33ポイント  (3子コメント)

I play this game with my 2 year old all the time, I ask her crazy question and she just says yes to anything. She has beaten the hulk and robbed a bank in the same day.

[–]Haust 35ポイント36ポイント  (0子コメント)

Crazy to you, maybe. For her, it was Tuesday.

[–]workraken 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

Did you not consider that she might actually be a super villain?

[–]Paladin327 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I do find it unlikely that the poster has unobstructed line of sight to the kid 24/7, so it is a distinct possibility

[–]Dorfidiot 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah. This could be something to think about for people who are repeat offenders. 1st time, prison/rehab, 2nd time, prison/castration.

[–]BrawndoTTM 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

This is precisely why I gave up on being a teacher. I would never touch a child, but the danger of false accusations is far too high.

[–]bcGrimm 35ポイント36ポイント  (21子コメント)

Oh God, can you imagine? I don't think there's any way you could ethically do this.

[–]dog_damn[S] 8ポイント9ポイント  (20子コメント)

Some states in america have already implemented similar laws.

[–]bcGrimm 13ポイント14ポイント  (19子コメント)

I find this very hard to believe, could you elaborate and provide a source?

[–]dog_damn[S] 9ポイント10ポイント  (18子コメント)

If you consider wikipedia as a viable source, under united states bolt you will find that information. If the topic interest you, Florida passed a law allowing chemical castration in 1997 here is a paper discussing it.

[–]bcGrimm 25ポイント26ポイント  (6子コメント)

Despite its long history and established use, the drug has never been approved by the FDA for use as a treatment for sexual offenders.[5]

The very first paragraph. Will read more though.

Hmm, so the law is there in a few states, but I can't seem to find an example of it being used. Troubling regardless.

[–]TheLoveofDoge 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

The states' logic seems to be that the castration itself is the cure and not the drug itself. It's like saying anesthesia is a poor cure for pancreatitis, when in actuality the surgery is what cures it.

Also, in the decades leading up to World War II, California experimented with eugenics in both the poor and prisoners.

[–]hubCAPPS 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

Shit, the whole world loved Eugenics until Hitler went and tried to create the master race.

[–]lanadapter [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Nazis ruin everything

[–]zenhkai [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Honestly it was probably one of the best things to happen. Can you imagine where wed be if unchecked eugenics was practiced? The US did it to natives.

[–]remnantsofthepast 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I've learned in classes that is typically voluntary over here in the states for pedophiles that feel like they can't control their urges

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    [–]captainjackl 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

    How is that not cruel/unusual punishment?

    [–]Periscopia 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    "Cruel and unusual punishment" is a very subjective concept. The US Supreme Court, as well as most states' top courts, have found the death penalty (assuming it's carried out quickly/humanely) not to be in conflict with the Constitutional prohibition on "cruel and unusual punishment" -- a very reasonable finding, given that the men who drafted and approved the Constitution clearly did not intent to prohibit the death penalty. Given the large number of convicted sex offenders who have opted for chemical castration as an alternative to longer incarceration, one can reasonably conclude that it is not inherently more "cruel" than incarceration.

    [–]Youareabadperson6 0ポイント1ポイント  (8子コメント)

    I'm reasonably sure that is only for re offenders, am I wrong?

    [–]dog_damn[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (7子コメント)

    As it is stated here it is also for first time offenders.

    [–]Youareabadperson6 8ポイント9ポイント  (6子コメント)

    Ehh, I'm not sure I can support that.

    [–]Mr_Fffish 10ポイント11ポイント  (5子コメント)

    The prison I work in uses the depo shot. You may not like it but many sex offenders love it. Imagine your whole life, every moment, every thought compels you to act out sexually towards children. Once they get the shot their mind is clear. I've seen plenty of sex offenders crying with relief. Depo has major benefits for all people involved. We just need to stop calling it chemical castration. They are being medicated for a mental health issue.

    [–]eazyirl 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Is it not permanent?

    [–]Youareabadperson6 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Are you sure they aren't crying because they are going to get beaten or sodomized when the go back to their cell? Not to take away from what you wrote. I accept it as a valid personal experience and believe you are telling the truth.

    [–]FreckledSkull 11ポイント12ポイント  (4子コメント)

    They aren't physically removing the testes are they? It's a pill right. So they can stop taking it and everything would be ok?

    [–]Veni_Vidi_Vici_24 11ポイント12ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Pretty much, yes. People are overreacting to the term, "castration". There is ZERO castration involved. It can also be reversed.

    [–]Unicorn_Tickles 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

    But that also brings up the question of the effectiveness of the process. If it relies on these people taking a daily pill, how many are just going to stop taking it? I guess it's better than nothing and I wouldn't condone full on castration obviously but have studies even been done on the effectiveness of chemical castration when it comes to recidivism rates?

    [–]hedonismbot89 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Usually today, they use the chemical they use is depot medroxyprogesterone acetate (DMPA or Depo-Provera). It is most commonly used as a contraceptive. It is given in a shot to the individual every three months. It can cause increased risk of cardiovascular problems, and can effect bone density. It is reversible, and has been shown to be effective in the past.

    [–]Periscopia 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Chemical castration is a misleading term. It's comparable to hormonal contraceptives for women -- totally reversible.

    [–]relationshipdownvote 10ポイント11ポイント  (19子コメント)

    First off, it can be reversed.

    Secondly, with that logic we'd never punish anyone ever because we might be doing it to a wrongly convicted person.

    [–]BananaMeGustaII 6ポイント7ポイント  (18子コメント)

    Better to let 100 guilty men walk free than put one innocent man in prison? Does that ring a bell at all?

    [–]thirrdtimesacharm 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

    If I knew I'd be keeping 100 rapists and murderers behind bars, if gladly stay in jail for that to happen.

    [–]buyingbridges [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

    Yeah fucking RIGHT. God damn I wish we could give it a try and see how you feel then

    [–]thirrdtimesacharm [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

    Well obviously it wouldn't happen like that. 'hey you go to jail and we promise to keep these actual murderers and rapists in jail too'. I think a lot of people would do it if this were the case.

    [–]megamit [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    Sadly its not like that. If that were the case you could say to your family hey at least its for a good cause. But in reality they would disown you and you will lose everyone and everything you love and you did nothing to deserve it.

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      [–]My_Big_Fat_Kot 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Then they will physically castrate them.

      [–]Whargod [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      Nor does it mean they will stop. Castrating someone doesn't diminish their ability to sexually abuse a person.

      [–]DeafDumbBlindBoy [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      What does it really solve though, even if the accused is actually guilty? How is it any different than cutting off the hand of a thief, as groups like ISIS are doing? It's not a humane policy, more like a vindictve and deliberately frustrating public shaming of a person who, it needs to be stressed, had better be proven guilty beyond any shadow of a doubt. If there's a matchbook's width of doubt then it cannot be carried out.

      If shaming is the point, why not just rebuild the public stocks? Produce vendors could then sell slightly off fruit and vegetables to passers by, and at least then there would be a policy that might benefit the local economy.

      [–]Hatsee 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Someone needs to ask them if they mean that because one of the best ways is group therapy and rehabilitation after the fact. Here in Canada they've been cutting those sorts of programs for some stupid reason.

      [–]Aardvark_Man 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I heard them talking about this on the radio earlier today, and apparently that dropped the rate of repeat offending 4%.

      Not sure if it was 4% of the total population or 4% of reoffenders, though.

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        [–]An_Image_Of_Mohammed 107ポイント108ポイント  (27子コメント)

        This was tried with homosexuality as well.

        It's a futile and incorrect road.

        Remember Alan Turing?

        [–]cultrecycle [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

        Some drug regimes do work well for individuals who develop parphilias as a result of brain injury so the issue may need to be approached on a case by case basis.

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          [–]Skellum 53ポイント54ポイント  (58子コメント)

          I enjoy how people dont seem to understand this does not actually castrate someone. It simply destroys sex drive for the time they're on the chemicals.

          I cannot imagine how horrific it would be to be attracted to children and to have the opportunity to have that drive shut off for you must be a massive blessing. I fully support Depo shots to prevent attraction and drive especially when they're used as an alternative to prison.

          Imprisoning someone for child diddling doesnt work. It simply makes them worse. Giving treatment and a safe means of ensuring they no longer want to fuck a child does help tremendously.

          [–]99879001903508613696 13ポイント14ポイント  (1子コメント)

          There are side effects and long-lasting effects to treatment.

          Forcing it on pedophiles because society hates them isn't justifiable unless you force it on all repeat offender sexual assaulters of all sexual orientations.

          I have no love for those who commit crimes against others, but at the same time, I cannot accept different treatment based on sexual orientation.

          [–]Skellum [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

          The choice is prison or depo because you diddled a kid. Not because society hates you but because currently your predatory danger to an innocent is non-curable and the only options are to shelter society from you or ensure the maximum safety of others.

          [–]MonsterBlash 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

          If it's so harmless, it could be given to young boys so they concentrate on their studies instead of chasing tail. Pretty sure it doesn't "simply destroys sex drive".

          [–]intensely_human [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

          If it's so "harmless", let's make it over-the-counter and let people take it at will.

          [–]MonsterBlash [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

          Getting an hitch in your dry spell, about to drop everything to get laid? No need, pop a pill, don't worry about wanting sex ever!

          [–]VomisA12 27ポイント28ポイント  (32子コメント)

          Pedophile here (non-offending!). Just chiming in to say no, chemical castration is completely unnecessary, and quite frankly horrible. There are dangerous side affects and it has been compared to chemo.

          Further, chemical castration doesn't remove the attraction to children, it only kills sex drive, it is a temporary 'solution' and would absolutely not stop an offender from abusing if they wanted to. And to be clear, it does not shut off the "drive", it merely weakens it.

          Your point of view is coming from a good place, but to define chemical castration as a blessing is a little fucked up. It is only a blessing for people who willfully ignore scientific consensus on the issue and want to appear 'tough on pedophiles' for reelection.

          I'll say, chemical castration is as helpful for pedophiles as small pox blankets were for Native Americans. Sure maybe it could help some in the beginning, but it's deadly the longer you use it. There are much better solutions.

          [–]UneasySeabass 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

          People are already linked to studies showing Chem castration reduces recidivism from 75% to 2%

          [–]VomisA12 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

          See my reply to another user who linked that source.

          Though if you have another source I'd love to see it.

          [–]Skellum 4ポイント5ポイント  (9子コメント)

          want to appear 'tough on pedophiles' for reelection.

          I think those people are the ones that say we should gas them all, kill them, or ensure they never leave prison. I'm in the crowed that wants treatment, which wont work since it's a 'philia, and a way to properly ensure there's a far less great chance that the behavior happens.

          I think if you're an offending pedophile that there should always be a dual option of prison or psychiatric help plus Depo. The case being that most places in the world have only 1 option for offending pedophiles and that's incarceration at best.

          [–]VomisA12 0ポイント1ポイント  (8子コメント)

          A dual option? Sure I guess. But is it really better if chemical castration doesn't solve the problem and has awful side affects? How is it more humane than incarceration?

          A better option would focus on prevention in the first place, and legitimate treatment centers after someone offends. Or ending the registry.

          Like I said, anyone suggesting chemical castration as a smart way to deal with pedophilia is willfully ignoring scientific consensus.

          [–]foust2015 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

          Would you rather take a drug that kills your sex drive or literally spend the rest of your life locked up in prison?

          And also, research actually does support chemical castration as a very effective way to reducing repeat sex offenses. chemical castration decreases the occurrence of repeat offenses from 75% to 2%.

          [–]intensely_human [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

          I would actually like to know what it's like to live without a sex drive, if only for a little while.

          [–]foust2015 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

          You know that period 15 minutes after you're done jerking off?

          That, forever.

          [–]Skellum [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

          I would actually like to know what it's like to live without a sex drive, if only for a little while.

          Imagine not really giving a shit about women, or whatever your sexual orientation is. You know you should feel something but there's just no real urge to go for it. That motivation you have to exercise, to be social, to get out there and meet people? Yea, a lot of that's gone other than wanting friendships.

          It really has you examining the balances of power. Why do I need to put myself out there for you? I dont really give a shit about your primary methods of drawing me in. They have to have personality as a 100% draw. They have to have life goals, expectations, not be batshit insane and clingy.

          The refocus in your priorities is very cool. Then I started working out harder and getting testosterone supplements and now I want to hump people.

          [–]VomisA12 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

          Except it's not simply a drug that kills your sex drive. As I said it has nasty side affects that can affect you for the rest of your life. It's also fallacious to say those are the only two options. We don't have to lock up all offenders for the rest of their lives, and reasonable incarceration is a better solution.

          To be honest I'm skeptical about that source as it seems to be a college paper at best, it conflates pedophiles with child molesters in the first paragraph, and it's sources are mostly articles (not research papers) over 10 years old; professionals now are taking a very different approach, and most seem to show disdain for chemical castration. Not to mention, the link for the source of the 2% figure just redirects to a random page.

          Whether it's legitimate or not, I certainly don't believe chemical castration is the only way to reduce repeat sex offenses. It's worth noting recidivism rates for sex offenders is much lower than recidivism rates for the general criminal population already. http://www.csom.org/pubs/mythsfacts.html

          Perhaps for some chemical castration is necessary, or helpful. But considering it's side affects I think prescribing it to every offender would be inhumane and unnecessary. To pit it against a life in prison is hardly just.

          [–]Skellum [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

          Whether it's legitimate or not, I certainly don't believe chemical castration is the only way to reduce repeat sex offenses.

          Thats cool, but there's no other established treatment and I dont see anyone in here recommending a different course instead of saying "That's mean".

          Yes, it's mean. And yes the article is talking about pedophiles who have offended just like the topic of this whole thread. If these people had not destroyed someone's childhood no one would be coming down on them.

          [–]PM_me_your_8008 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

          And what about the awful side effects the children grow up with after being molested? I understand pedophilia is a illness, but let's not forget the actual victims here.

          [–]VomisA12 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

          I'm not absolving offenders here. But it comes down to rehabilitation vs revenge.

          That's why I say prevention is the best option. If we provide resources and support to pedophiles, I (and many professionals) believe it will do a lot to prevent pedophiles (those who struggle more with offending) from offending in the first place.

          [–]MUSTY_Radio_Control 4ポイント5ポイント  (9子コメント)

          You're a non-offending pedophile, which leads me to believe that you dont want to be the way you are. Hypothetically speaking, if there was a switch that you could flip to turn off all of your attractions towards children, would you flip it?

          [–]trognus 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

          The problem is that's not what the shot does

          [–]VomisA12 9ポイント10ポイント  (4子コメント)

          To be honest, no I wouldn't. Not once in my life have I ever felt I was a danger to children. I know I won't abuse a child and pedophilia has shaped a lot of my identity, so turning it off would only feel like a rejection of the self. Even though it has only really made my life more difficult, pedophilia is a part of me, and I've accepted it.

          I would definitely flip a switch to make me attracted to people my age as well though.

          [–]verstehst [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

          '(Flipping that switch) would feel like a rejection of the self.'

          What? Okay. This is where I need clarification, as a young guy who's always struggled with concepts of identity.

          Isn't the 'self' something that's supposed to be rejected sometimes? We assess who we are, look at what we don't like about ourselves, and try to improve?

          [–]VomisA12 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

          Well, pedophilia has made me who I am. You may see it as a wholly negative thing, but it's not so black and white. Overall it has made my life harder, but (as hard as it is to believe) I think it has also made me a more empathetic and conscientious person. It has made question everything and pressured me to consider my own biases, and others biases. And I imagine it has also made my life a lot more interesting than it would have been otherwise.

          But to put it like this, I know I'm not going to abuse a child, and I've accepted that I'm not going to have a satisfying sex life. What does it matter if I have the attraction or not? Either I'm a pedophile or I flip the hypothetical switch and become asexual. Right now at least I already know what being a pedophile is like.

          [–]verstehst [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

          I used to be fat. My experiences being fat made me who I am. But I recognized it as an area in which I could improve, so I lost weight.

          The main place this analogy falls off is in the antecedent of the third sentence, because most people don't think you can change your sexuality. But in a hypothetical that accounts for that, I would think that it would be more straightforward.

          Related note- what are your thoughts on the fluidity of sexuality? Can someone change who they're attracted to? Are fetishes and 'deviancies' something you're born with? Or are they just the result of , like, unintentional Pavlovian conditioning?

          [–]Skellum [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

          Yea, as unfortunate as it is we have to lump pedophilia in there with homosexuality. If you discovered a way to cure aberrant sexual behavior then homosexuality falls under it too. I'm not saying homosexuality is dangerous but it is aberrant.

          It's a tricky one, which is why you have to go with the 'dangerous to minors' angle. You wont be 'curing' people who fuck shoes, just ones that rape kids.

          [–]dustlesswalnut [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

          You think that because he hasn't raped any kids, he doesn't want to be attracted to them?

          How many men have never raped a woman, and how many women have never raped a man, despite being attracted to them? (Hint: most.)

          [–]tossaway_fortoday [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

          Throwaway obviously, but YES. In a heartbeat. I would never, EVER harm a child and I never chose to be the way I am, but I hate and am disgusted with myself every day for it. Even though no one in my life knows about my attractions, you have no idea how much it has negatively impacted my life. It's not easy hating yourself and not being able to tell anyone why.

          If it were as simple as flipping a switch to turn it off, I would absolutely go for it. Chemical castration seems barbaric though especially considering the side effects. As much as I despise myself for being the way I am, I would not opt for it.

          [–]adminslikefelching [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

          Imagining myself in that position, if there were no side effects, i would flip it. But if there were, i wouldn't. I think that's the point he is trying to make.

          [–]clow_reed [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

          So, what age are you talking about here? After puberty? Teens? Under puberty? Infants?

          [–]VomisA12 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

          Pedophilia is defined as an attraction to prepubescents.

          Personally my age of attraction is about 8-14. So no, not infants, and not teens unless they look younger. Though, I have yet to meet or see an 18 year old who looks young enough for me to be sexually attracted to them, (and I'm not going to date anyone younger than 18).

          [–]clow_reed [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

          Fair enough.

          The word pedophilia has been extensively used and abused. Technically, it does refer to prepubescents, yet crimes are routinely found for up to 17 with the same name.

          It's a tough situation. I mean, you're attracted to whom you're attracted to. And if we were having this discussion even 50 years ago, 11-13 and up would be fine.

          I also have severe issue with the crime of child porn possession. If I take a picture of a murder, the picture is legal. Same with rape, or theft, or whatever other crimes. Except this one. And not only that, it's also statutory crime, with no mens-rea.

          The lack of mens-rea means that putting those pics on someone makes a pretty much irrefutable case. And that stinks.

          And lastly, I wasn't asking whom you would date, or have relationships with . That's none of my business.. To much liability. I as more curious about your attraction and feelings, and not your actions :)

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            [–]dustlesswalnut [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

            I'm attracted to women and I have never raped one. There is a big difference between a pedophile (person attracted to young children) and a child rapist (person who has sexual contact with a child).

            [–]ChromeWeasel -3ポイント-2ポイント  (15子コメント)

            I cannot imagine how horrific it would be to have homosexual urges and to have the opportunity to have that drive shut off for you must be a massive blessing. I fully support Depo shots to prevent attraction and drive especially when they're used as an alternative to prison.

            (Edited to add: This is a word-for-word quote of the post above me. I just substituted homosexual urges for attracted to children. Years ago this attitude would have applied exactly to treating homosexuals. Can't believe that people don't get this and need to have it spelled out. People who are agreeing with the idiotic statement by Skellum would most likely have also agreed that homosexuals should have been chemically castrated back in the 50's.)

            [–]Skellum 7ポイント8ポイント  (5子コメント)

            homosexual urges

            If homosexuals were non-consenting minors being abused by an adult who knows they cannot make a decision then I'd approve.

            Fortunately people like George Takei are consenting adults who are well informed and not being abused unless they want to and beg for it. This ensures a completely 100% different situation, much like /u/nosferatv stated.

            [–]dustlesswalnut [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

            Homosexual urges != raping nonconsenting men/women.

            Being a pedophile doesn't mean a person has ever or will ever rape a child.

            [–]jwyche005 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

            I can definitely see where you are coming from and in some ways you are correct but the difference is children cannot ever consent.

            [–]dustlesswalnut [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

            And there are plenty of people attracted to legal-aged people that will never and have never had sex.

            Being attracted to something doesn't mean one has a right to sex with what they are attracted to.

            [–]jwyche005 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

            Like I said, I agree that some people are pedophiles and I'm okay with that. It is who they are and they can't change that. It is however important that we foster an environment where these people are able to get help if they want it without the fear of having their lives ruined.

            [–]dustlesswalnut [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

            Yes, if any person feels they are going to commit rape they should be able to receive mental help without fear of retribution. But being a pedophile does not mean that person is considering child rape, or is worried about their self control at all.

            [–]nosferatv 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

            That is not illegal behavior. The above post is specifically talking about illegal behavior. Apples and oranges, your post (while important) is Germaine to a different discussion.

            [–]ChromeWeasel 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

            It's not illegal to be attracted to children, which is exactly what the post I quoted is talking about. You can't do anything about who you are attracted to. Punishing people for personal preferences that they don't act on is batshit insane. People used to say the same exact thing about fixing homosexuals, which is what I illustrated in my post.

            [–]nosferatv 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Okay, I missed that because I the thread was about convicted child molesters, not gay men. I see zero reference to homosexuality in the article.

            If you're talking about something else, I think you posted in the wrong place, or you should probably make it clear that your comment is completely disconnected from the article.

            My apologies for any confusion I may have caused.

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              [–]Scifilt 41ポイント42ポイント  (23子コメント)

              Castration doesn't work if the pedophile is offending because they have a mental/emotional issue that leads them to harm children.

              [–]relationshipdownvote 51ポイント52ポイント  (6子コメント)

              chemical castration decreases the occurrence of repeat offenses from 75% to 2%.

              [–]IWantToBeAProducer 19ポイント20ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Huh. Not what I expected.

              [–]DDBB4LYF 18ポイント19ポイント  (0子コメント)

              "Well, it doesn't 100% solve the problem, so we shouldn't even try"- Average /r/news user.

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                [–]dog_damn[S] 10ポイント11ポイント  (15子コメント)

                If their crimes are due to sexual desires then it should help, though if their crimes comes from sadistic desires then you are right. As far as I know pedophile originate in sexual desires and not sadistic ones.

                [–]cresstynuts 12ポイント13ポイント  (7子コメント)

                Eugenics has always been a viable solution for most problems. Heil!

                [–]Yancy_Farnesworth 9ポイント10ポイント  (5子コメント)

                It's only Eugenics if they can't have kids. Chemical castration does not destroy your ability to have children.

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                  [–]WhiskeyCup 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

                  As far as I know...

                  Yes let's all make important descisions based on hunches and not bother doing research.

                  [–]NormalBG 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  This is the way it's always done. Barely from the trees and all but a small minority most certainly show it.

                  [–]D_DM7_D7_G_Gm_D_E_A 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

                  Some of them are definitely sadistic though. It very well may be a minority though, I have no idea on the percentage (because it's so taboo, we don't do enough to even learn more about it).

                  [–]NormalBG 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

                  Which is, or course, the issue. Currently, the solution is a bunch of cops setting around all day searching for and watching kp. Isn't that illegal?

                  [–]buyingbridges [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

                  I always wonder what keeps pedo cops from "helping the kids" and getting their fix of cp at work

                  [–]NormalBG [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                  Nothing at all. I always wonder what is and who decides the criteria for kp. After all, it's all done in secret, apparently because only cops posses some magic ability to judge.

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                    [–]99879001903508613696 24ポイント25ポイント  (17子コメント)

                    Unless it is willful, this is an abuse of rights. Pedophilia is now believed to be innate and unchangeable. It is closer to sexual orientation than curable disease state.

                    Pedophilia also doesn't mean kid diddling. It is an attraction to kids. Not all pedophiles are molesters. We don't even know the incidence as pedophiles are not even willing to discuss this attraction with loved ones or therapists.

                    Not related completely, but all adults should have option for chemical castration. It is very difficult to find doc willing to do it if you are not older, even if you want to be asexual. You get referred to CBT in hopes they can "fix" you instead of just doing the fucking treatment.

                    [–]kaisawheel 12ポイント13ポイント  (10子コメント)

                    The article specifies that it would be used on sex offenders to reduce recidivism. They aren't proposing to go out and screen everyone for pedophilia and drug them all.

                    [–]UneasySeabass [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

                    Sources in your first paragraph please?

                    [–]99879001903508613696 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                    See the work of Dr. James Cantor out of Toronto. He studies neurology related to sexuality. His research has shown that pedophilia has some biological origin.

                    Other research has pretty clearly shown that pedophilia cannot be "cured". Focus is on reducing incidence of diddling and allowing pedophiles to like as normal a life as possible.

                    [–]clow_reed [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

                    CBT

                    I hope you mean Cognitive behavioral therapy rather than "cock and ball torture"....

                    [–]green_meklar [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                    Pedophilia also doesn't mean kid diddling. It is an attraction to kids. Not all pedophiles are molesters.

                    I think the idea is to use it specifically on people who have already been convicted of child molestation.

                    [–]MushiMushi-DesuDesu 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

                    They should start with their politicians then...

                    [–]Raabiam 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    and church leaders / clergy. Especially in Ireland.

                    [–]Logitech0 13ポイント14ポイント  (16子コメント)

                    Consdering the man that almost ended in prison for pedophilia due a selfie with a Darth Vader poster...

                    [–]kaisawheel 5ポイント6ポイント  (12子コメント)

                    Did he actually almost end up in prison though?

                    I thought it was just some bitchy Mom who got mad and posted his face all over with a bullshit story, I didn't think he was ever even arrested let alone close to convicted or imprisoned.

                    [–]Logitech0 8ポイント9ポイント  (11子コメント)

                    No prison, but the bitchy mom almost ruined the life of a poor dad...

                    [–]kaisawheel 4ポイント5ポイント  (8子コメント)

                    Oh, well I agree with you on that. But I mean, real authorities never took it seriously so saying he "almost ended in prison for pedophilia" is kind of a stretch since it was just a bitch posting shit on Facebook.

                    [–]Esnim 0ポイント1ポイント  (7子コメント)

                    It spread like wildfire. I think it was even on TV.

                    [–]kaisawheel 1ポイント2ポイント  (6子コメント)

                    Yes, yes it did.

                    But claiming that he almost ended up in prison for pedophilia is hyperbole.

                    [–]jwyche005 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

                    I agree but he did have his life royally fucked up.

                    [–]kaisawheel 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Yeah, it was retarded.

                    He was pretty classy about it though.

                    [–]Esnim 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

                    I did not say that though

                    [–]kaisawheel 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

                    No, you didn't but the person my comment was in reply to did. I wasn't trying to attack you or anything.

                    [–]Esnim 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                    I'll say this about it. That woman put that man in a bad situation with little effort. He's very lucky cooler heads prevailed.

                    [–]kaisawheel 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    She was totally out of line and it's a shame that she didn't have any real repercussions beyond being publicly humiliated for being an idiot. He was super classy about it too.

                    [–]Periscopia 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    SHE should have done prison time, if she actually accused him of criminal activity.

                    [–]jwyche005 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Did we ever find out who that cunt was?

                    [–]WirelessRage 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                    Say what? When was this?

                    [–]DeathWalkingTerror 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    A man from Melbourne, Australia took a selfie with a cutout of Darth Vader back in May. He apparently had some kids walk up to the cutout and told them that he'd be going in a minute if they wanted to take a picture too.

                    Their mother saw him talking to the kids, took his picture and posted it to Facebook, calling him a "creep."

                    He was never charged with anything and never "almost ended [up] in prison." He was just libeled by some woman on the internet.

                    [–]DDBB4LYF 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    He was never charged with a crime. How is that almost ending up in prison?

                    [–]jennyCKC 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    when i hear the term chemical castration i imagine that its pouring acid on a pedos wiener

                    [–]tight_lips_tony [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                    Whoopsie, he was innocent after all.

                    Where did you put his chopped off tallywhacker?

                    Oh well.

                    [–]-Chakas- [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                    People need to realize that pedophile =/= child molester.

                    [–]tsunami845 12ポイント13ポイント  (4子コメント)

                    This just in on the war on mental issues.

                    [–]REEK_bent_to_task 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

                    If this is allowed, forcible medication of "mental health cases" will be next. True the prescriptions might be helpful, but a person should have some say in WTF drugs go into their own body :(

                    [–]WengFu 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    This was what they used to do to gay men

                    [–]A_Single_AID 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

                    New South Wales Justice Minister Troy Grant said, ‘One of the worrying statistics that came out of our investigation is that up to 17 per cent of child sex offenders are likely to reoffend in two years.

                    Kinda low, compared to recidivism rates for other (non-harmless) crimes.

                    [–]Periscopia 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    That sounds more like the percent who will admit to, or get caught reoffending. Many large studies have found that child molesters have an astronomically high recidivism rate.

                    [–]Periscopia -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    That sounds more like the percent who will admit to, or get caught reoffending. Many large studies have found that child molesters have an astronomically high recidivism rate.

                    [–]fidsah 11ポイント12ポイント  (3子コメント)

                    Australia, shining beacon of civilization and freedom. Everyone always says the US needs to be more like them, and I've always disagreed. I guess I'll just have to continue disagreeing.

                    [–]AT_thruhiker 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Pretty sure not everyone says that. Austrailia is not progressive in a lot of ways.

                    [–]nroslm 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Well said.

                    [–]dog_damn[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    In this specific matter the US is ahead of Australia, there are already 9 states with similar laws implanted.

                    [–]ChromeWeasel 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Its worth noting that Australia considers it too close to pedophilia to look at adult women with small breasts.

                    [–]I_are_facepalm 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Chemistry: it gives and takes away.

                    [–]capnuck 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    I think the approach should be what's best for society. If the team of medical professionals (psychiatrists, etc.) and judicial system deem someone as a pedophile, then they should be removed from society unless they volunteer for the castration.

                    I think the US has it right in this case... Keep in a psych ward till being "cured". If castration is the cure, then so be it. Not sure how this would work with women pedophiles though. Do they have an equivalent to castrating?

                    [–]dustlesswalnut 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                    Pedophiles, or pedophile rapists?

                    [–]Balrogic3 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                    Probably the former, which will be declared to be the latter by default.

                    [–]PropaCanadaPanda [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                    This is grotesque and lowers the ethical and moral standing of any government who engages in such barbarism. Its medieval.

                    [–]loveinhumantimes [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                    If this comes to pass it will be looked upon similarly to the asylums of the 18th-19th century. These are examples of the barbarity Foucault so effectively analyzed.

                    [–]forgetfulnoodles [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

                    Ok. Ignoring all the other issues raised here I have been wondering something about this for a long time. What could the psychological effects of chemically castrating a pedophile be? Say you could just "turn off" their sex drive, could that lead to more extreme behavior? Could the inability to perceive their attraction to children sexually lead to more extreme desires such as wanting to kill or torture children because sexual abuse is no longer an option? Maybe I sound stupid. I am clearly no expert. But ever since I saw something about chemical castration of pedophiles on fb I have had this question.

                    [–]Balrogic3 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                    Chemical castration of rapists is iffy, as some will continue to engage in predatory behavior including sexual assault with implements. Chemical castration of people that have enough self-control to not rape is criminal.

                    [–]Mutt1223 9ポイント10ポイント  (8子コメント)

                    Yeah, this will help because pedos can only molest kids using their genitals.

                    Edit: I have, once again, been proven to be a moron. As has been explained to me, chemical castration is about reducing libido and not about depriving sickos of the tools of their trade.

                    [–]TheSepticSkeptic 8ポイント9ポイント  (3子コメント)

                    Isn't it also to mitigate their sexual drive as a whole? I'd be surprised if it was "you molested a child, OFF WITH YOUR BALLS!"

                    [–]WhiskeyCup -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

                    No. Most pedophiles and rapists are not motivated by sexual desire, they're motivated by power. This stems from other, deeper issues and maiming offenders isn't going to fix or resolve anything.

                    [–]Periscopia 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    1) The article doesn't discuss any proposal to "maim" offenders.

                    2) The assertion that "most pedophiles and rapists are not motivated by sexual desire, they're motivated by power" is rooted in academic-political fashion, not facts. Seeking/enjoying a feeling of "power" is a component of most male sexual activity, and a lot of female sexual activity, but that doesn't mean that all these adults engaging in consensual sex are "not motivated by sexual desire".

                    [–]TheSepticSkeptic 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    I wasn't positing that it would work, just that it might stem from more than a desire to simply chop off their balls as punishment.

                    Also, I'm disinclined to believe pedos are not largely motivated by sexual desire for children. Rapists I can see power edging out sexual desire but not so much for pedos.

                    [–]D_DM7_D7_G_Gm_D_E_A 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Well I'm not defending chemical castration but it's more about messing with their libido than their actual genitals. (although I'm also not really against it either. I'm reserving my judgement as I don't know enough about it).

                    [–]iushciuweiush 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

                    I can't believe this comment has 11 likes. Did google stop existing suddenly?

                    [–]Mutt1223 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    12! But it had less before I made my edit. I wonder if you also google everything you think you already know? Of course you don't. But just like your comment, I said something without thinking it through, and when I realized I was wrong I edited and admitted my mistake. I'm am truly sorry.

                    [–]honestchippy 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Did reading the fucking article on not just a headline stop existing as well?

                    [–]whowatches 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

                    ITT: A bunch of people with no idea what chemical castration is defending pedophiles from it anyways.

                    Usual day on reddit I suppose.

                    [–]CheeseVikings 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Would be less insane but no less orwellian to use the sinclair method of pharmacological extinction.

                    [–]bleu_waffle27 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Polygraph first? Seems logical. The pedo, not the child.

                    [–]msafonte 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Would this drug work on female pedophiles or just males? most people only think of men molesting children, but women do it as well.

                    [–]pizzaman9176 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                    If there's undeniable proof, then sure. Sometimes kids accuse people just cause they don't like them and people believe it.

                    [–]Khanman5 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                    Look, if you want to lock a motherfucker up and throw away the key, fine. You wanna kill them, fine. But don't castrate them, that too me, is where I draw the lime from administering justice, to being cruel and unusual.

                    [–]monkeyfudgehair [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                    Why not put offenders in prison forever?

                    [–]SteampunkGeisha [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                    I know a psychologist who studied pedophiles for like 20-30 years to try to find a treatment or "cure". He's a professor now and has also written a fair amount of books on the topic before switching his focus to other branches of psychology. I think his response may have been a bit jaded, but when I asked him if he found a cure for it, the only thing he said that would work in eliminating a pedophile's sexual desire to be with children was "the only cure would be to kill them".

                    [–]deten [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                    Does chemically castrating people actually stop them from doing whatever they did?

                    E.G. if they abducted a child and molested the child, couldn't they do the same even without the same sexual drive?

                    [–]Martinleeds [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                    Welcome to the monkey house.

                    [–]salty84 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    I would have used a rusty old pair of garden sheers. Good on ya Australia!

                    [–]NoMoreNicksLeft -3ポイント-2ポイント  (6子コメント)

                    Because they can't use fingers, mouths, or broken beer bottles while suffering chemically-induced impotency? Remember, these are people we've already determined to be sick fucks, is your excuse really going to be "but they wouldn't do that"?

                    [–]Cbebop21 5ポイント6ポイント  (4子コメント)

                    I think part of the point of chemical castration is that it's supposed to take away/lessen sexual desire.

                    [–]DreamsOfFeathers 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    chemically-induced impotency

                    No impotency. They can just go on HRT.

                    [–]wonder590 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

                    Pedophiles are sick people, they can't help what they are. It's not an excuse to rape kids, it never is, but reaching out to pedophiles to help them control their urges seems much more humane and cost efficient. I know Australia is close to China but I think the world will be fine without any more Eunuchs .

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