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Up to 50 refugees found dead in truck in Austria: Newspaper reports initial indications were that they suffocated. (reuters.com)

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[–]inveterateasshole 33ポイント34ポイント  (2子コメント)

Estimates range from 20 to 50 bodies, which means that liquefaction has already occurred.

And you thought your job sucked.

[–]ItsTyrrellYo [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Id say its less liquefaction and more they didn't have the means to initially move the bodies and they could be either piled up at the door or spread out

[–]brittonberkan [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

According to latest news reports, that's pretty much correct. The truck was discovered by road maintenance, who alerted the police. Because of the characteristic smell, more police and crime scene investigators were brought to the scene. They started with investigating the exterior of the truck and the surrounding area.

After that, they brought the truck away from the open road and to another location for the investigation of the interiors and the people who were trapped inside.

[–]imliterallydyinghere 63ポイント64ポイント  (12子コメント)

from another source

Laut Polizei handelte es sich dabei um Verwesungsflüssigkeit, die bereits von der Ladefläche des Kühlfahrzeuges tropfte.

the decomposition liquid was already flowing out of the truck...unbelievable

[–]theoth267 20ポイント21ポイント  (9子コメント)

http://i.imgur.com/SDqNmUR.png (Just a chart, no dead people) Looks like they could be dead for over a month? holy shit

[–]RickyAcid [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

It depends on heat, middle of summer in the back of a truck is going to make the process a lot quicker.

Source: trainee funeral director

[–]theoth267 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Thanks for that info!

[–]itsonlyparttime [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

how does one get started in the funeral business?

[–]RickyAcid [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Help out pallbearing at your local firm and mention that you're wanting to get into the business. If it's a larger firm they might be able to take on an apprentice.

It's an incredibly tricky business to get into though because it's usually family run.

[–]Dywards [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Risky click

[–]strong_schlong [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Oh god the smell. How could this happen? How did the truck just sit there for so long?

[–]Braden0732 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

I was in the shower this morning listening to NPR when they were descrbing the fluid leaking from the truck. Made me ill. So sad.

[–]Gritsandgravy1 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I heard that this morning on my way into work. I can't imagine what it was like for the person that first discovered this. Such a horrible tragedy.

[–]LolaRuns 28ポイント29ポイント  (9子コメント)

FYI: Most Austrian newspapers cite that the police think it might be any number between 20 and 50.

(for example: http://orf.at/stories/2295512/ )

[–]Asterize 18ポイント19ポイント  (8子コメント)

"We only found 20 people dead in this truck guys. Nothing to see here."

[–]Bloodrazor [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

It's not even that. They were so decomposed that they can't tell how many people were in the truck

[–]Tiafves 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

"Damn 23 what an odd number"

[–]Leksi1 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Give this case to Jimmy McNulty.

[–]TheShittyBeatles [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

You know what the trouble is, Brucey? We used to make shit in this country, build shit. Now we just put our hand in the next guy's pocket.

[–]noizesinmyhead 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Additional info:

The truck has Hungarian license plate, purchased by a Romanian citizen in Kecskemet, Hungary.

The truck has been purchased in Slovakia.

[–]defroach84 75ポイント76ポイント  (36子コメント)

Would think 50 people dead in Austria would be a bigger story.

[–]MacroSolid 20ポイント21ポイント  (0子コメント)

Look at that. Another front page article with the top comment complaining why this isn't on the front page...

[–]Yellowie 36ポイント37ポイント  (15子コメント)

"50 americans dead" BOOM front page

[–]Fuckit21 48ポイント49ポイント  (1子コメント)

More like,"50 non-refugees" BOOM front page.

[–]Scattered_Disk [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Well, you care more about people like yourself, no need to pretend.

Media just works to cater to you.

[–]thegreatestprime 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

I got a notification from CNN. Rushed here to see what's going on, and nothing.

[–]Gonzo262 7ポイント8ポイント  (5子コメント)

50 People gunned down on the south side of Chicago...... Crickets

Note: Chicago Statistics. 43 killed, 268 wounded in August so far, 322 dead 1628 wounded year to date.

[–]ptwonline [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Nobody talks about it because it's so common and expected that it's no longer a big deal...unless it's some reporters being murdered on live television or something.

In fact, the numbers of murders/violent crimes in Chicago have plummetted in the past 2 decades. In the early 90's there were more than 900 homicides/yr. For the past decade the numbers have been around 450/yr.

Anyway, a lot of people like to point how "free" things aren't actually free. Usually they are talking about taxes paying for things, but the freedom to possess firearms and the high rate of homicide is actually a good example of a price on a particular freedom.

[–]holyevilcow [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Holy shit. I thought Oakland was bad...

[–]thecardboardman [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Gang warfare is different from murdering innocent people in cold blood.

[–]Gonzo262 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Except for all the innocent people they murder in cold blood because of their inability to shoot straight.

[–]thecardboardman [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

For sure. And bystander deaths don't necessarily make news either, which is sad. But the large majority of murders in high crime areas (Chicago, Baltimore, etc.) are people fighting eachother over drugs, money, or something else. Not one guy killing some random people because he's crazy, or mad at the world, or just got fired, or racist.

[–]TulkkiTheTyrant [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

Strange a mostly American site would upvote related information.

[–]GeneralBuhari 18ポイント19ポイント  (12子コメント)

"ISIS kills 50 people" [+7000]

"50 people escaping conflict in the Middle East die in Austria" [+-70]

[–]teapot112 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Accidental Tragedies usually receive less news coverage. Just two years ago, more than 5800 people died from floods in a state from India and it barely reached the front page of /r/worldnews

The reason is that news stories of this type don't bleed enough. ( If it bleeds, it leads)

[–]RyuujinZER0 [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

There's a difference between a bunch of zealots killing 50 unwilling victims. And 50 people dying after making a risky but ultimately voluntary decision.

Besides, what exactly can people do to stop it happening? - It's not like they told the authorities "Hey, like, 50 of us are going to sneak into your country in a truck, if you don't hear from us in a few days can you come rescue us?". The only solution is prevention, which means either stricter border controls to stop it happening (But many commenters here on reddit seem to be against that), or to just open the borders completely so nobody has to sneak in (Which would be absolute chaos)

[–]redmongrel [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Well they didn't voluntarily suffocate. They paid probably what amounts to a huge sum, trusting the driver would deliver them to "freedom and opportunity" as shabby as even that would be. Hope you're never in as desperate a situation as you recline in your cozy air conditioned desk chair.

[–]RyuujinZER0 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

You're right, I hope I never have to flee a country and entrust my life to shadey characters. But neither am I going to start equating the activities borderline omnicidal groups like ISIS, with domestic criminals

[–]zeekip -3ポイント-2ポイント  (6子コメント)

50 people escaping conflict in the Middle East

They are escaping so hard they have the privilege to deny food because, well, its not the food they have back home.

They climbed in that truck themselves, nobody put them there.

[–]ColaAndCorgis [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Misery and war put them there. And hope.

[–]witler [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

wow you are one heartless fuck. You are not even treating them as people, do you? You trip over yourself trying to use their desperate actions against them.

[–]DonCarloGesualdo [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Un-fucking-believable that you would write this trash from a fast internet connection provided to you by a stable first-world society. I hope very much your smug, cruel, absurd concept of 'volition' is never tested by war, blackmail, unrest, poverty, discrimination, or any of the million other social or political conditions that make it irrelevant.

[–]ColaAndCorgis [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Misery and war put them there. And hope.

[–]GoldenKaiser [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Being refugees, war put them there. But your head is so far up your ass, I don't think you would realize that.

[–]juone [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

You dumb fucking hateful piece of dirty dogshit, did you even watch the very video you are using to discriminate against people in the worst of possible situations? I hope you're put into a situation where you get shot by religious fanatics or take a leap of faith to flee from them, let's see how it feels when others treat YOU like you are not a human being, which given that being human means being able to feel empathy, you are probably not anyway. /rant fuckyou

[–]Elcactus [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

News is news because of its implications or reflections of global problems. You don't even see the stories of the thousands who did of heart disease because it's nothing game changing.

[–]Selfweaver [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Thousands have died in the Mediterranean. They don't make the news much either.

[–]Misaniovent [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Because the refugee problem, as Europe seems to understand it, is one of refugees stretching the limits of their systems. The actual plight of the refugees seems to be forgotten.

[–]liareddit [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

This will be, but unfortunately dieing refugees has become a sort of non-news since it happens every day.

[–]brianbeze [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Its been 4 hours and its already on the front page. Be patient there is a lot going on in the world. There is also 40 found dead in the Mediterranean why isnt that on the front. Nine dead in shootout in Mexico. 11 dead in protest in Nepal, 40 dead in NK from floods ect. Not everything will be on the front page immediately and most of it wont make it there at all.

[–]AReallyUniqueName [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

50 criminals died doing something they shouldn't have been doing. It's a shame but they took the risk.

[–]GoldenKaiser [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Criminals? You are calling refugees criminals? Your moral compass is so fucked up how do you tell up from down

[–]Drink_Deep 17ポイント18ポイント  (13子コメント)

The police should be able to have a closer estimate than "20-50"

[–]Defengar 43ポイント44ポイント  (11子コメント)

Depends on how long they've been there. If it's been more than a few days in the heat, that truck might have been filled with a bony soup when they opened it.

[–]Loki-L 11ポイント12ポイント  (4子コメント)

As someone else quoted in this thread. Apparently that very soup was already dripping out from the truck before they opened the door.

I assume that it will take quite some work to get the real number of bodies from what they now have.

Extremely horrifying and traumatizing work probably.

[–]literaryanalysis [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

Not to be cruel but I would just go an incinerate the inside of the truck, bury the ashes and leave it at that. At this point there is nothing anyone could really do.

[–]PoliteIndecency [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Except for, you know, things like humanity and proper treatment of the dead. I understand your way is more efficient and I support it from a logistical point of view, but we have to treat the dead as we treat people and make an effort to preserve their integrity and legacy.

[–]Scattered_Disk [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

their legacy

Mr. Mahoud was born in Syria. His job were destroyed by civil war. He came to Austria as soup.

[–]jus_sayin_bro [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

What about trying to figure out what exactly happened and maybe contact the victims families (if possible). You know they are people, right?

[–]fresh_prince_ [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It was a few days, and it is currently very hot in Austria. The decomposition fluid was already leaking out of the truck. I got sick to my stomach reading the news articles.

[–]MrsConclusion 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

That is the case.

[–]Drink_Deep [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Ah, very true. Good point!

[–]nutsreallybignuts [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Well, there goes brunch, thanks!

[–]Suboptimus [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Count the skulls?

[–]mazesc_ [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

They think that the truck has been there since yesterday only. The reason they don't know is probably that they didn't want to unload the truck in the middle of a motorway to count. There will be an exact number soon, I'm sure.

[–]newacco [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

They are taking the truck to some hangar to investigate properly, I guess they dont want that mess in the middle of the highway. Source: local news

[–]superboring [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

If only the EU would adopt the Australian method then these sort of issues would dramatically decrease. Set up a refugee island (Greenland is an excellent option) where every illegal immigrant is sent for processing, and have them stay there if they are given asylum.

[–]Scattered_Disk [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Greenland protests.

[–]TangoJager [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

The entirety of the five people living there /s

[–]NATIK001 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I doubt Greenland would be happy about it, especially since Greenland isn't in the EU.

[–]Rockerouter 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Somebody call McNulty.

[–]chillagevillage [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

This is really saddening, I can't imagine the horror of being trapped in a metal box during the summer heat, suffocating.

[–]gynoceros [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

What is this, season 2 of The Wire: Austria?

[–]Detroiteanca [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

My husband is a dual Hungarian/Romanian citizen. He says it is virtually impossible for a Romanian citizen to register a vehicle in Hungary. He can't even park his Romanian plated vehicle in Budapest overnight unless he is in a private parking lot. What happened was unequivocally awful and the traffickers should be punished, but I wonder why the original licensing applicant's citizenship was publicized like this.

[–]melangalade [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

That's ridiculous, both nations are in the EU, why couldn't he register a vehicle in Hungary, we are not in the middle ages. Also if he is part hungarian, then there is absolutly no way he can't do it.

[–]Detroiteanca [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Part Hungarian does not equal Hungarian citizenship. There are many ethnic Hungarians in Romania that carry only a Romanian passport. My point is that Hungary is so defensive about migrants that even when their country is involved in a tragedy like this, they are quick to pass the buck by saying that the trafficker was not one of their citizens.

[–]melangalade [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

My husband is a dual Hungarian/Romanian citizen

Part Hungarian does not equal Hungarian citizenship.

what.

Don't get me wrong, I know how f*cked up Hungary is regarding migrants, but in a tragedy likes this noone is accusing Romania in any way. The truck was slovakian, bought from czechs, plated in Hungary, and the register was romanian.
IMHO this is just prooving that no country can avoid being involved in the migrant story

[–]Facecheck [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

No country wants this stain so everyone tries to defer the blame. The first claim is also a blatant exaggeration.

[–]deletemybrain [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Aaah yes, good ol' human smuggling. Just one of the countless joys of illegal immigration!

[–]timeandspaceandfarts [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

They took a chance and lost. Poor people. Trapped. Running. Just fucking horrifying what is happening right now.

[–]parampcea 4ポイント5ポイント  (5子コメント)

illegal imigration is hurting illegals mostly.

[–]Seen_Unseen [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

How come? We can expect hundreds of thousands to come to Europe whom escape war zones or come for economic reasons. Just escaping a warzone probably saved thousands of lives so I wouldn't say it hurts themself more.

Though we don't like to put a pricetag on a human, in the Netherlands each immigrant costs 27.000 euro a year and they are unlikely to ever become profitable. On a European scale we are talking about tends of of not hundreds of billions of euro's what immigration will cost. Greece was a pain, but the huge wave of immigrants will dwarf Greece.

[–]Timey16 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Well not immigrating would also hurt them, because Syria/Iraq are basically death traps right now.

"Damned if you do, damned if don't" and the way to Eruope still gives them the biggest chance for survival.

[–]Scattered_Disk [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

But they were already hurt, we're mainly worrying about the collateral damage.

[–]Seekzor -4ポイント-3ポイント  (1子コメント)

And yet they are the ones taking the most hate from people opposed to immigration

[–]phosphorize [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Just drove past that truck today. This is incredibly horrible.

This - some people taking advantage of the refugees' situation and then chickening out of it, leaving them to die - would never be an issue anymore if there was a processing system to allow the refugees to transfer safely and be distributed evenly until the situation gets better.

Edit: Whoa guys slow down. There is a whole bunch of shitty, hateful comments in that thread.

[–]leredditaccounts [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

Refugees

Well, that's one piece of good news today. Maybe instead of trying to sneak in in the back of lorries illegally, they can fill in forms and bring their own money, like anyone else would have to.

[–]ColaAndCorgis [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Hahahaaha. Try applying for a citizenship in Germany. Just try.

By the way, do you know who those refugees are? Educated people with money. They do pay a lot to die in horrible ways. But if they got to their destination they could do good jobs and pay a lot of taxes. The poor uneducated ones are dieing in their homelands.

[–]kl9va [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Hahahaaha. Try applying for a citizenship in Germany. Just try.

Illegals don't need to apply citizenship in Germany to live in Germany. And refugees don't need either. Once they are their , they are never sent home , Citizenship is totally irrelevant when you can work in the black market. Ask the turkish mafia or the romanian mafia in Germany, now you'll get the Syrian mafia.

[–]Scattered_Disk [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Educated people with money.

Compared to their native land. Compared with Europe? War refugees from Syria/Africa?

[–]savedbyscience21 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Woah, slow down Racist. Wait, you're European and complaining about illigal immigration? Carry on.

[–]ThirdGambit [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I'll tell you one thing, I really hope YOU never have to live in a war torn state and try and "make it better".

[–]warnphar92 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

What is this, season 2 of The Wire: Austria?

[–]currentAlias [スコア非表示]  (8子コメント)

Oh well, maybe after this happens a few more times they'll stay in their own crappy countries and try to make them better instead of spreading their shitty ways to more places.

[–]phosphorize [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Yes, currentAlias! Tell me more about your ways of fixing wars within a heartbeat. You are the saviour we were waiting for!

[–]DonCarloGesualdo [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Or maybe your country will succumb to their 'shitty ways,' and you, by your own advice, will be obliged to stay and try to clean things up, and we on the outside, no matter how hard you work, will lump you in with your country's immigrant population.

[–]ThirdGambit [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

I'm sure you worked really heard to make the place you were born a great place.

[–]currentAlias [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

I'll tell you this: I don't actively try to make it worse unlike everything I've heard about the islamist migrants.

[–]phosphorize [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

The keyword is "heard". Look around, look at war, look at what these people have been through, and especially look very carefully at hateful statements you might encounter, and think about how much reality they actually contain.

[–]currentAlias [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I have looked at the war they have and I've looked into the why of the war and a whole heapin' helpin' of the why is directly related to their shitty iron-age culture that they won't abandon. If they refuse to modernize when trying to move to a modern nation then they should be turned away.

[–]ThirdGambit [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I just really hope YOU never have to live in a war torn state and try and "make it better",

[–]laith-the-arab [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

We need more people like you in power. Surely there will be world peace with that thinking!

[–]Ritmas [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

Pretty sure they are illegal immigrants, because refugees don't usually die in shady trucks.

[–]PoliteIndecency [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Somebody doesn't know a lot about history...

Let's ignore the MILLIONS of refugees that die in cargo holds, trains, from exposure, and suffocation over past century. World War I, II, Sino-Japanese war, the Holodomor, Korea, Vietnam, basically every African conflict every.

Dude, you need to inform yourself before you start dropping fallacies like that.

[–]deedlede2222 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It's the same thing.

[–]i_judge_other_people [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Wat

[–]pujuma [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

where were they from ?

[–]Romek_himself [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

does this matter? ... they are 50 dead HUMANS

[–]Hatemebrooo [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

things could get worse for immigrants there

[–]shoulder_elephant [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

lol

[–]BearCorp [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Fookin' 'strya mate!

[–]laith-the-arab [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

So sad. People fleeing from death only to be killed