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Australian government considers chemically castrating paedophiles (metro.co.uk)

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[–]SauerKraus 51ポイント52ポイント  (15子コメント)

‘We must do everything possible to reduce that [recidivism] figure."

Except chemically castrate wrongly convicted people, please.

[–]deimosusn 36ポイント37ポイント  (2子コメント)

It's also important to remember that is easy for an over eager investigator to plant false memories in kids. They are very suggestable, and can be lead into making false accusations.

It happened several times in the US, with multiple people being wrongly convicted.

[–]bcGrimm 14ポイント15ポイント  (10子コメント)

Oh God, can you imagine? I don't think there's any way you could ethically do this.

[–]dog_damn[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (9子コメント)

Some states in america have already implemented similar laws.

[–]bcGrimm 5ポイント6ポイント  (8子コメント)

I find this very hard to believe, could you elaborate and provide a source?

[–]dog_damn[S] 5ポイント6ポイント  (7子コメント)

If you consider wikipedia as a viable source, under united states bolt you will find that information. If the topic interest you, Florida passed a law allowing chemical castration in 1997 here is a paper discussing it.

[–]bcGrimm 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

Despite its long history and established use, the drug has never been approved by the FDA for use as a treatment for sexual offenders.[5]

The very first paragraph. Will read more though.

Hmm, so the law is there in a few states, but I can't seem to find an example of it being used. Troubling regardless.

[–]captainjackl [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

How is that not cruel/unusual punishment?

[–]Youareabadperson6 -1ポイント0ポイント  (4子コメント)

I'm reasonably sure that is only for re offenders, am I wrong?

[–]dog_damn[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

As it is stated here it is also for first time offenders.

[–]Youareabadperson6 [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Ehh, I'm not sure I can support that.

[–]Mr_Fffish [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

The prison I work in uses the depo shot. You may not like it but many sex offenders love it. Imagine your whole life, every moment, every thought compels you to act out sexually towards children. Once they get the shot their mind is clear. I've seen plenty of sex offenders crying with relief. Depo has major benefits for all people involved. We just need to stop calling it chemical castration. They are being medicated for a mental health issue.

[–]Youareabadperson6 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Are you sure they aren't crying because they are going to get beaten or sodomized when the go back to their cell? Not to take away from what you wrote. I accept it as a valid personal experience and believe you are telling the truth.

[–]Hatsee [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Someone needs to ask them if they mean that because one of the best ways is group therapy and rehabilitation after the fact. Here in Canada they've been cutting those sorts of programs for some stupid reason.

[–]Scifilt 22ポイント23ポイント  (8子コメント)

Castration doesn't work if the pedophile is offending because they have a mental/emotional issue that leads them to harm children.

[–]relationshipdownvote [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

chemical castration decreases the occurrence of repeat offenses from 75% to 2%.

[–]DDBB4LYF [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

"Well, it doesn't 100% solve the problem, so we shouldn't even try"- Average /r/news user.

[–]dog_damn[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

If their crimes are due to sexual desires then it should help, though if their crimes comes from sadistic desires then you are right. As far as I know pedophile originate in sexual desires and not sadistic ones.

[–]WhiskeyCup [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

As far as I know...

Yes let's all make important descisions based on hunches and not bother doing research.

[–]cresstynuts [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Eugenics has always been a viable solution for most problems. Heil!

[–]D_DM7_D7_G_Gm_D_E_A [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Some of them are definitely sadistic though. It very well may be a minority though, I have no idea on the percentage (because it's so taboo, we don't do enough to even learn more about it).

[–]An_Image_Of_Mohammed 30ポイント31ポイント  (2子コメント)

This was tried with homosexuality as well.

It's a futile and incorrect road.

Remember Alan Turing?

[–]jesusisnowhere -3ポイント-2ポイント  (1子コメント)

I also watched the imitation games

[–]gohhygohhy 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

Its fairly common knowledge that he was chemically castrated, if you know of Alan Turing you probably know what happened to him.

[–]Skellum 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

I enjoy how people dont seem to understand this does not actually castrate someone. It simply destroys sex drive for the time they're on the chemicals.

I cannot imagine how horrific it would be to be attracted to children and to have the opportunity to have that drive shut off for you must be a massive blessing. I fully support Depo shots to prevent attraction and drive especially when they're used as an alternative to prison.

Imprisoning someone for child diddling doesnt work. It simply makes them worse. Giving treatment and a safe means of ensuring they no longer want to fuck a child does help tremendously.

[–]ChromeWeasel [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I cannot imagine how horrific it would be to have homosexual urges and to have the opportunity to have that drive shut off for you must be a massive blessing. I fully support Depo shots to prevent attraction and drive especially when they're used as an alternative to prison.

[–]A_Single_AID 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

New South Wales Justice Minister Troy Grant said, ‘One of the worrying statistics that came out of our investigation is that up to 17 per cent of child sex offenders are likely to reoffend in two years.

Kinda low, compared to recidivism rates for other (non-harmless) crimes.

[–]Logitech0 4ポイント5ポイント  (4子コメント)

Consdering the man that almost ended in prison for pedophilia due a selfie with a Darth Vader poster...

[–]kaisawheel [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Did he actually almost end up in prison though?

I thought it was just some bitchy Mom who got mad and posted his face all over with a bullshit story, I didn't think he was ever even arrested let alone close to convicted or imprisoned.

[–]Logitech0 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

No prison, but the bitchy mom almost ruined the life of a poor dad...

[–]kaisawheel [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Oh, well I agree with you on that. But I mean, real authorities never took it seriously so saying he "almost ended in prison for pedophilia" is kind of a stretch since it was just a bitch posting shit on Facebook.

[–]WirelessRage [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Say what? When was this?

[–]tsunami845 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

This just in on the war on mental issues.

[–]Mutt1223 9ポイント10ポイント  (3子コメント)

Yeah, this will help because pedos can only molest kids using their genitals.

Edit: I have, once again, been proven to be a moron. As has been explained to me, chemical castration is about reducing libido and not about depriving sickos of the tools of their trade.

[–]TheSepticSkeptic [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Isn't it also to mitigate their sexual drive as a whole? I'd be surprised if it was "you molested a child, OFF WITH YOUR BALLS!"

[–]WhiskeyCup [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

No. Most pedophiles and rapists are not motivated by sexual desire, they're motivated by power. This stems from other, deeper issues and maiming offenders isn't going to fix or resolve anything.

[–]D_DM7_D7_G_Gm_D_E_A [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Well I'm not defending chemical castration but it's more about messing with their libido than their actual genitals. (although I'm also not really against it either. I'm reserving my judgement as I don't know enough about it).

[–]99879001903508613696 7ポイント8ポイント  (8子コメント)

Unless it is willful, this is an abuse of rights. Pedophilia is now believed to be innate and unchangeable. It is closer to sexual orientation than curable disease state.

Pedophilia also doesn't mean kid diddling. It is an attraction to kids. Not all pedophiles are molesters. We don't even know the incidence as pedophiles are not even willing to discuss this attraction with loved ones or therapists.

Not related completely, but all adults should have option for chemical castration. It is very difficult to find doc willing to do it if you are not older, even if you want to be asexual. You get referred to CBT in hopes they can "fix" you instead of just doing the fucking treatment.

[–]kaisawheel [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

The article specifies that it would be used on sex offenders to reduce recidivism. They aren't proposing to go out and screen everyone for pedophilia and drug them all.

[–]99879001903508613696 [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

Not everyone reads... these... what you call them? Articles?

Most people presume pedophiles are all sex offenders. They are not. Or they are not all known to be. Hard to do studies as there is nothing worse than kid touchers so no one can admit desire without becoming the boogedyman.

Even in cases of assault or offense, the practice of chem. cast. would need to be universal for all people who commit similar sex crimes. Regular rapists should be cast'd too.

[–]kaisawheel [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

The title of the article is admittedly dumb. But the article is like 6 sentences long. Could have read it to see what it was actually about.

[–]99879001903508613696 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

I did read the article and stand by my comment.

Your support of this is wrong.

[–]kaisawheel [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I never said that I supported it.

Only that the title is misleading, they are not going to try to do this to any pedophile, only those who have victimized children.

Your comments seem to indicate that you thought this was going to be applied all over the place as you stated repeatedly that not all pedophiles are child molesters. I was only pointing out that pedophiles in the title should instead be "sex offender" as in, someone who has actually committed and been convicted of a crime against a child.

[–]Indricus [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

I'm all for voluntary chemical castration, some people accept that they have a problem, want treatment, and would accept that sort of treatment to help them stop hurting others. But mandating such treatment for all convicts goes too far, especially given imperfect legal systems which do often incarcerate innocent persons.

[–]99879001903508613696 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

All adults should have a right to destruction of gonads. Limiting it to those who abuse children is very discriminatory and wrong.

How is a repeat rapist any less of a problem than a repeat kid toucher? Why should different sexual orientation result in different punishment?

[–]salty84 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I would have used a rusty old pair of garden sheers. Good on ya Australia!

[–]wonder590 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Pedophiles are sick people, they can't help what they are. It's not an excuse to rape kids, it never is, but reaching out to pedophiles to help them control their urges seems much more humane and cost efficient. I know Australia is close to China but I think the world will be fine without any more Eunuchs .

[–]seblantic [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

This is not about the removal of their genitals..

[–]fidsah 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

Australia, shining beacon of civilization and freedom. Everyone always says the US needs to be more like them, and I've always disagreed. I guess I'll just have to continue disagreeing.

[–]AT_thruhiker 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Pretty sure not everyone says that. Austrailia is not progressive in a lot of ways.

[–]nroslm 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well said.

[–]dog_damn[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

In this specific matter the US is ahead of Australia, there are already 9 states with similar laws implanted.

[–]I_are_facepalm 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Chemistry: it gives and takes away.

[–]WengFu 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

This was what they used to do to gay men

[–]popcornhicken [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Would that be like the nicotine patch for cigs tho? The physical is remedied, while the mind twists and reels with cravings...Apply this to some krovvity droogs, & suddenly lovely Ludvig becomes Rage against the Machine...

[–]MushiMushi-DesuDesu [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

They should start with their politicians then...

[–]ChromeWeasel [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Its worth noting that Australia considers it too close to pedophilia to look at adult women with small breasts.

[–]bromley2 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

bolt cutters are cheaper

[–]NoMoreNicksLeft -1ポイント0ポイント  (5子コメント)

Because they can't use fingers, mouths, or broken beer bottles while suffering chemically-induced impotency? Remember, these are people we've already determined to be sick fucks, is your excuse really going to be "but they wouldn't do that"?

[–]DreamsOfFeathers 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

chemically-induced impotency

No impotency. They can just go on HRT.

[–]Cbebop21 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

I think part of the point of chemical castration is that it's supposed to take away/lessen sexual desire.

[–]NoMoreNicksLeft [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

People become frustrated when they have low libidos, and try to "get themselves in the mood". How well will that work out?

This proposal shows some sort of fundamental misunderstanding of basic human nature.

[–]seblantic [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

You're over simplifying this a lot. There are many people who simply just have low libidos, and don't care so much for sexual gratification as long as they get their fix when they need it.

It seems extremely odd to me that you say low libido people try to force themselves to "get in the mood" so matter of factly when that is absolutely not true.

People with high libidos who don't get sexual release become frustrated, not people with low libidos...

[–]NoMoreNicksLeft [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

There are many people who simply just have low libidos, and don't care so much for sexual gratification

Yes. But then there are those with high libidos who diddle little kids, who are forcibly put on drugs that lower their libido.

That doesn't work. Such people become frustrated. They decide, if only intellectually (and if you can stomach the misuse of that word) to do what their libido won't.

Will the kid be less traumatized because they couldn't get it up and decide to use violate them with another body part, or something they find laying around the house?

It seems extremely odd to me that you say low libido people try to force themselves to "get in the mood"

Of course it seems odd. You don't understand other people, you don't understand yourself. When someone points out how people actually work, it's going to sound odd to you.

People with high libidos who don't get sexual release become frustrated, not people with low libidos...

But they do. Not sexually frustrated, frustrated in general. They want their lives to be different, they want to be normal, they want to be like other people. Do all of them do this? No. But many do.

Of course, there's nothing wrong (morally or otherwise) with having a low libido. Or with trying to overcome that.

But if they're a sick fuck whose libido has been forced to be low... that's not a story with a happy ending for anyone who crosses their path.

[–]SmilingknightSmiling [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

They should just kill them instead. They are worse then murderers

[–]Nomicakes [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

I think you're confusing pedophile with child-molester.

[–]kaisawheel [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

The article is about sex offenders, the title is dumb in that it just said pedophiles. But if you read it, it is actually about combating recidivism of people convicted of crimes and is apparently already used on a voluntary basis.

[–]SmilingknightSmiling [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Both, if they inappropriately abuse a kid, they can get what they deserve. And they deserve death.

[–]seblantic [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Because barbarism and vengeance is the answer for which we should conduct our society by.

[–]webauteur [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I have to take medicine that reduces my libido and makes sex slightly unsatisfying. Now I don't get aroused unless there is good reason to be aroused. The mild titillation of advertising and television has no power over me! My interest in sex is probably on the same level as a woman's. Sort of, meh. ;)