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[–]rhubarbs -86ポイント-85ポイント-84ポイント 1日前 (32子コメント)
It's not nearly as bad as it looks though. Their neck is basically their arm, as any real manipulation a dog does is with their jaw.
But the whole idea of swinging an animal around by it's neck is absolutely disgusting, even if there was no risk what so ever...
[–]SovietXedge 33ポイント34ポイント35ポイント 1日前 (12子コメント)
What? This could easily damage a disk in their neck.
[–]FI27 24ポイント25ポイント26ポイント 1日前 (4子コメント)
Trust him, everyone on the internet is an animal expert.
[–]RomanReignz 30ポイント31ポイント32ポイント 1日前 (1子コメント)
Biologist here! Contrary to popular belief, dogs actually love this as it releases tension in their neck muscles and the breeze from swinging through the air is a great cool down on a hot day!
[+]NeoHenderson スコアが基準値未満のコメント-15ポイント-14ポイント-13ポイント 1日前 (0子コメント)
What is this? Circlejerk?
[–]lxMALEXxl 4ポイント5ポイント6ポイント 1日前 (0子コメント)
Here's the thing...
[–]Eurospective -3ポイント-2ポイント-1ポイント 1日前 (0子コメント)
Doesn't that work both ways? How are you guys so cock sure about this?
[+]rhubarbs スコアが基準値未満のコメント-25ポイント-24ポイント-23ポイント 1日前 (6子コメント)
Of course. Especially with a smaller dog. But it's not like swinging a person by their neck. The basic bone structure is adapted to taking down prey with their jaw, even after we've done our own selective breeding.
[–]fluorowhore 5ポイント6ポイント7ポイント 1日前 (5子コメント)
It's a pug.
[+]rhubarbs スコアが基準値未満のコメント-17ポイント-16ポイント-15ポイント 1日前 (4子コメント)
They do tend to have problems with their lower spine. As I recall, some of the vertebrae tend to develop in a wedge shape and compress the spine, causing paralysis of the hind legs.
Still not as bad as it looks.
[–]PrejudicedBacon -2ポイント-1ポイント0ポイント 1日前 (3子コメント)
Are you stupid. Pugs are known to be in risk of their eyes popping out of their sockets when there's too much pulling on their skin. http://www.petful.com/pet-health/dogs-eye-pops-out-socket/
[–]rhubarbs -3ポイント-2ポイント-1ポイント 1日前 (2子コメント)
Which part of the eyes popping out due to a shallow eye sockets is relevant to trauma to the spine and neck?
Yes, pugs are all sorts of fucked up. Meanwhile, applying force to the neck of a person via rope is a form of capital punishment.
In the context of the user I originally responded to, asking me to imagine being swung by my neck, I'm pretty sure I'm right in saying it's not as bad as it seemed to him.
[–]PrejudicedBacon -2ポイント-1ポイント0ポイント 1日前 (1子コメント)
It can also happen when there's an excessive pressure to their heads, like when someone pulls to hard on the leash. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pug
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[–]scrimmy 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 1日前 (15子コメント)
Oh rhubarbs...... that's just patently false and we all know it. It's not at all like an arm. Its their neck.
[+]rhubarbs スコアが基準値未満のコメント-6ポイント-5ポイント-4ポイント 1日前 (14子コメント)
So you know that game you might have played with a dog, where you hold a toy by one end, and they hold it by the other end? And then they try to yank it from your hand?
Turns out, even smaller dogs don't snap their necks when they do that. Care to guess why?
[–]scrimmy 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 1日前 (1子コメント)
Because in your game the point of pivot is at the mouth, so that is where the force is the strongest and the mouth is structured to endure said force. Also the dog in said game has control over the hold and release of the rope during the game. If it feels pain it can release. But move the pivot point back to the neck, with the same force applied to a thin area around the neck that the dog can not get out of by design is a total different story. Any other apples you would like to compare to these bananas?
[–]rhubarbs -2ポイント-1ポイント0ポイント 1日前 (0子コメント)
What, you think the force dissipates in the jaw due to it's structure, like with some sort of doggie-crumple zones?
The jaw is attached to the neck. The neck is attached to the spine. The spine is attached to both sets of legs, which are how the dog gets traction. Or does the force get transferred from the jaw to the dogs tippytoes with fairydust and magic, maybe?
Also, do you understand how levers even work? The pivot you talk about is completely irrelevant. Force applied further away from the fulcrum, which in this case is where the dog's neck is anchored to it's body, has more mechanical advantage. Closer to the fulcrum, where the neck is anchored to the rest of the dog's body, means there is less mechanical advantage. There is no way a leash is going to do more damage closer to the neck. And no, the lever doesn't need to be rigid. The same principles apply.
If we look at people doing the same thing, then we've got no dice. People tend to wring their necks even at minor traffic accidents, because our necks are relatively thin and the force is applied at the furthest end of the lever, where our heavy brainbox sits.
Not so for dogs. Before we got our dirty mitts on them, 100 pound wolves would latch on to elk and moose ten times their weight, just to pull them down kicking and screaming. This necessitates an extremely muscular neck with strong bone structure. There was significant evolutionary pressure to make the neck, with it's muscle and vertebrae, withstand exactly the kind of forces we're talking about.
That structure exists in every dog today. Yes, even pugs, even if it's significantly scaled down. You can easily confirm this for yourself by looking at any basic diagram of a dog's anatomy. Yes, even pugs specifically.
[–]LGBecca 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 1日前 (11子コメント)
Because they're holding the toy in their jaw and not by their neck.
Seriously, just stop. You just keep making yourself sound more and more ignorant.
[–]rhubarbs -3ポイント-2ポイント-1ポイント 1日前 (10子コメント)
Ah yes, because the jaw floating in the ether, and doesn't require traction to be transferred through the spine and neck.
Maybe you should use your brain for a second before jumping on the bandwagon.
[–]fivehours 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 1日前 (4子コメント)
It was yanked off the ground by the middle of its neck - not sure that's something they were evolved to deal with.
[–]rhubarbs 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 1日前 (3子コメント)
Yeah, I'm sure the 100 pound wolves never got yanked anywhere when they were trying to latch on to their prey, the 850 pound elk...
There's also the whole thing about levers and fulcrums. Applying force closer to the fulcrum of it's neck means it has less mechanical advantage, compared to the same force applied further away from the fulcrum.
Also, I don't know what you think the dog's neck is, but you should look at some basic diagrams of their bone structure. They're pretty thick. And what's more, smaller dogs tend to have even thicker necks compared to the rest of their body. In pugs, their necks can be almost as thick as their ribcages.
[–]fivehours -1ポイント0ポイント1ポイント 1日前 (2子コメント)
Just imagine a collar around this guys neck as he's being flung like that though - http://i.imgur.com/ba7SlT8.jpg - that can't be good for it - it's more like pulling the neck vertebrae apart, and then being jarred when he hits the girl.
And apparently pugs have messed up spinal columns as it is -
Hemivertebrae can occur in any breed but are most common in brachycephalic, screw-tailed dogs such as Pugs (also English Bulldogs, French Bulldogs and Boston Terriers). This is because the kinked tails in these breeds result from hemivertebrae in the tail region of the spine and these breeds have genes that tend to cause the formation of hemivertebrae elsewhere in the spinal column as well as in the tail (LeCouteur and Grandy 2000).
Hemivertebral abnormalities commonly occur without clinical sign of disease (Done et al 1975). However, if the spinal cord becomes damaged or compressed signs appear. Signs include posterior paresis (abnormal functioning of the hindlimbs), muscle wastage, abnormal shape to the back and back pain. If the problem is severe then the dogs can lose all use of their hind legs and can have urinary and faecal incontinence (inability to control passing urine or faeces). Signs can be gradual or rapid in onset and sometimes are progressive (Colter 1993).
[–]rhubarbs 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 23時間前 (1子コメント)
it's more like pulling the neck vertebrae apart, and then being jarred when he hits the girl.
So... you think the neck is made of wet noodles? The force is being distributed by the muscle structure. No, it really isn't pulling the vertebrae apart.
The back problems are resultant of wedge shaped vertebrae developing in the mid to lower spine. In layman's terms, the genes that cause their tail section to consist of hemivertebrae mutate and skip a few vertebrae, and make a wedge higher up the spine. This is a big no-no, as you might have figured out. But it also means the spinal problems are limited to the mid to lower spine, as the further up the spine you go the rarer these hemivertebrae are. You would also realize this, if you'd read the quote you dug up. How is that, you might ask? Well, because cases of abnormal function and paralysis are limited to their hind legs. If their necks had a tendency to develop hemivertebrae, we'd see cases of pugs with full body paralysis.
And as I noted elsewhere in the comment thread, the biggest risk factor was in the pug suffering damage to it's spine at the mid to lower section, specifically due to this abnormality. Luckily, the hit wasn't that solid.
[–]fivehours 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 8時間前 (0子コメント)
So you don't think having spinal column issues might increase the susceptibility to their being damaged farther up in the neck also?
It may also occur along the cervical vertebrae or the bones of the neck.
http://www.pugvillage.com/pug-health/hemivertebrae-pugs
[–]LGBecca -1ポイント0ポイント1ポイント 1日前 (4子コメント)
I'm not jumping on anything. I am an animal rescuer with years of experience with small breed dogs that knows that you are an idiot that doesn't know what he's talking about.
But please, keep talking and prove us right. Again.
[–]rhubarbs -1ポイント0ポイント1ポイント 1日前 (3子コメント)
Animal rescuer, huh. What does that mean, exactly? Because if you were a veterinarian, you would've said so. So... you like dogs, I guess?
Maybe ask your veterinarian about what I've said, assuming you're not talking out of your ass.
Do I need to make a concise reiteration of what I've said, or can I trust you not to misinterpret it as a strawman?
[–]LGBecca -1ポイント0ポイント1ポイント 1日前 (2子コメント)
Animal rescuer, huh. What does that mean, exactly?
Wow, you really don't know much, do you?
And why would I say that I'm a vet? An animal rescuer is not necessarily a veterinarian, nor vice versa.
Look, as much fun as this has been for you I'm sure, I'm bored. It's kind of like arguing with my cat and expecting an intelligent response.
[–]rhubarbs -1ポイント0ポイント1ポイント 1日前 (1子コメント)
It's almost like the world has different standards. For example, my sister, a recovered teenage drug addict with no education and no qualifications worked for animal rescue for a time. I was asking for your qualifications, which you'd understand if you... well, understood anything.
Because it seems you didn't understand the fact that you made an appeal to your supposed authority as an "animal rescuer", which doesn't actually mean anything.... unless you think petting dogs gives you an extensive medical understanding of the canine anatomy. That also means that you would have said you're a vet if you were one, assuming you're not a complete idiot, because that would actually mean you would actually have authority.
But we both know that's not the case, now don't we?
You should keep arguing with your cat. It's an argument you might actually win, on occasion. And don't forget to ask your vet about the whole neck thing, assuming your mickey mouse operation employs one, and assuming you're not afraid of being proven wrong.
[–]LGBecca -1ポイント0ポイント1ポイント 1日前 (0子コメント)
You know the nice thing about being secure in one's self and one's qualifications? Not feeling the need to "prove" anything to anyone, especially a stranger on the internet who doesn't understand basic anatomy and seems to like to argue just for argument's sake. Your opinion means less than nothing to me.
Sorry about your sister, hope she's doing better these days.
[–]XxSCRAPOxX -5ポイント-4ポイント-3ポイント 1日前 (2子コメント)
-50 for even suggesting the dog didn't get hurt. That'll teach ya!
[–]rhubarbs -3ポイント-2ポイント-1ポイント 1日前 (1子コメント)
Pretty sure most people just interpreted the 2nd paragraph as "there was no risk what so ever", when I meant that the idea of using a pet as a flail is disgusting even if there is no risk.
Obviously an adult woman can seriously injure a pug with a good swing. Just meant that dogs have a much better chance than humans, what with snapping a neck at the end of a rope being a form of capital punishment.
[–]XxSCRAPOxX -2ポイント-1ポイント0ポイント 1日前 (0子コメント)
-82 now, it's only been a few minutes. I'm negative for even replying to you.
I knew how you meant it. The odds of the dog getting hurt that way are lower than humans odds. And also you said it was horrible. But the hive doesn't care. So let's just sit back and collect our troll points.
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