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[–]BaconEggsAndSleaze 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

  • What do we do if we get a girl pregnant? Western law has fortified hypergamy at the expense of men by allowering her the full right to decide the life of the child, or take it away. The man only has the responsbility.

  • What do we do about the ever increasing tax dollars going to fund the hypergamous actions of women? Having babies with alpha cads while forcing ALL taxpayers to foot the bill. Western law has fortified hypergamy by making everyone pay for her to have the alpha children.

  • What do we do about a false accusation of rape? Western law has fortified hypergamy allows women to renege on their consent if they find it inhibits their ability to secure another mate, or gives the ability to receive monetary gain and fulfill their security need.

  • What do we do about false charges of domestic violence? Western law has fortified hypergamy by giving women the ability to remove any offending man from her life (or house) by simply declaring she felt threatened.

  • What about shopping for your child in a children's store? Western law has fortified hypergamy by creating the perception that men are predators by nature and are automatically assumed guilty just for being male.

This is not state sponsored hypergamy, it is state sponsored misandry.

All classical liberal economists assert that in order for a market to operate according to "rational self interest" and to be "free", the market must actually be free. That sounds like an obvious statement, but its application to the SMP is not always so obvious to men. In classical liberalism, equality in opportunity is guaranteed, but equality in outcome is not.

In a society living under state sponsored misandry, we do not have equality in opportunity as men. The "deck" is stacked against us from the start and throws off our senses of rational self interest before we're able to make an initial evaluation. Just like in economics, the rules of a truly free market do not apply exactly the same way as they do in a mixed economy; the extent the principles apply depends on the extent the economy is "mixed". In the SMP, men must therefore understand that they are not competing on a level playing field and thus, not dealing with pure hypergamy. The competitive forces in the SMP are not the only forces at work in a man's life in today's society.

It is not enough for a man to be successful, to have accomplished great things. Enough "men" have been placated in to a form of beta-complacency through the influence of the feminine media that it gives the illusion of eroding real masculinity whenever it is displayed in public. Women are drawn to it per their ancient brain programs, but as Rollo has noted, this is the big threat. A man who recognizes his value as a man and something less (a beta) in society is the biggest threat to a woman's sexuality. And how do women respond to threats?

Robert Greene asserts in The Art of Seduction that danger is an aphrodisiac to women. Maybe this is a result of their evolutionarily programmed interest in men capable of great danger. But there are also good evolutionary reasons for women to flee from danger because of what it could represent to them in their state of pregnancy or because it could cause them to become pregnant with a less than ideal genetic match in possibly less than ideal circumstances.

There are some women who do not require a "real man" anymore because the media has created so many feminized, beta men who will constantly supplicate and provide for the woman (we call these orbiters). When the real man challenges the women on her deleterious behavior, what loss is it of hers if she reacts ambivalently or even disrespectfully? Who cares? For that one man she has 10+ beta orbiters who will continue to give her attention and meet many of her needs without so much as a single complaint.

In short, we don't live under pure hypergamy, we live under feministic hypergamy. Legally, we live under a sort of state sponsored misandry.

[–]PemBayliss 3ポイント4ポイント  (5子コメント)

What I think is interesting is where marriage goes from here.

The concept of legal marriage -- a union of one man and one woman, until one of the partners is deceased, with lifetime hard monogamy for both, for the purpose of pooling resources and dividing labor? That's DEAD.

The best some women will be able to do is all the above, but without the "legal" part. And most women won't be able to get even that.

Most women will go to an AF/BB/AF strategy, where it's AF to 30, then BB for fatherhood until the kids are older (with some Chad on the side); then AF again when the kids get to high school and Mom is freed up.

An increasing number of women will go to one-way open cuckold marriages -- where she stays married to her BB, and fucks Chads on the side with BB's full knowledge. I think more than a few women will say "we're opening up this marriage because I want to fuck hotter guys, and I'll stay married to you and sex you when I feel like it; but I want to fuck hotter guys. If you divorce me I'll ruin you financially and you'll never see the kids again."

I think that that will happen just enough to be a thing. I think we are going to open cuckoldry more and more.

I think most men will have to accept that they wont' get married like their dads did. They aren't going to have lifetime marriage partners. They won't have long term sex partners. They'll have a series of partners, if they're lucky. Most men will either have "get lucky" sex interspersed among exceedingly long dry spells. Some will resort to escorts. A significant number will give up and avoid women altogether. The top 10% to 15% will have virtually ALL the sex.

[–]TRP VanguardJP_Whoregan[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I was hoping you'd copy/paste your post, it is a good reply.

[–]PemBayliss 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thanks.

It seems likely to me that TRP is on the right track with where things are going, especially with marriage. I think TRP called it pretty well a long time ago; that legal marriage for the time being is deader than a doornail.

So whether we like it or not, most men are not going to marry. That's just not going to happen. Marriage will only happen in the US if a man is part of the upper middle class and up; has a six figure income, and is willing and able to support a family solely on his income. But the risks of that? Whew. The risks are absolutely insane, and just cannot be recommended even if you have a sweet submissive virgin HB 12 in front of you.

[–]Primemale 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Most women will go to an AF/BB/AF strategy, where it's AF to 30, then BB for fatherhood until the kids are older (with some Chad on the side); then AF again when the kids get to high school and Mom is freed up.

That may be true to some degree, but generally older women (or de-sexualized women) will go for the ''beta'' (or desexualised male) So perhaps it will go AF/BB/AF/BB so the beta will ''win'' in the end with his old ass woman.

Although if men sort out their behaviour and act like men, there is still no reason why they can't have successful long term relationships (as many men still do) admittedly this will become harder, with the masses of propaganda and sexual ''liberation'' of women today.

[–]Special Olympianmakethemsayayy 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think wives will be murdered more often. There's no further way to enrage a man than something like this. I envision a lot of men snapping.

[–]TRP VanguardJP_Whoregan[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't think a lot of women understand that the biggest affront to a man is an affront on his sexual prowess. Like, literally nothing bigger. A man would rather have his ass kicked in a bar fight in front of 100 people than have 100 people find out his wife fucked another guy in his very own bed.

[–]Primemale 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

>There will come a time when the majority of men stop putting up with this shit, and I believe it's going to come soon, as in within the next 10 years or so; especially as "feminism" becomes more and more of a dirty word.

I really can't see this happening, although feminism is becoming more of a ''dirty word'' as you put it, I still think there will be a large section of men that will put up with this behaviour (female sexual strategy) I theorise it will get a lot worse BEFORE it get's better.

>Will men respond the way I posit, or will men ultimately become active participants in their own cuckoldry?

If you look at western society as a whole, men are actively being cuckolded in many ways (to use the term loosely) such as with feminism, but also in ways such as political correctness, and white shaming, which evolutionarily speaking is the destruction of your people and genes.

Therefore in summary I think the manosphere still needs to grow considerably to really change the attitudes of most men, we are going against MASSES of propaganda with regard to many things, but in particular the gender sexual dynamic (I believe to aid the destruction of the traditional family and strong male roles in society, above and beyond ''for women's sexual strategy'')

[–]Special Olympianmakethemsayayy 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think Donald Trump goes a long way towards stopping this PC bullfuckingshit pussy business. Or a war. Who knows.

[–]Short-Guy 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

I don't think sex bots will be ready in time. Instead, the increase in global violence will cause a surge in rape. Pretty soon, rape will be a normal everyday event. We already are seeing this in the middle east and in Mexico. The betas who can't get women won't have much to lose by raping and beating a woman into submission. More and more betas are converting to Islam and the world's superpowers are too weak to stop it. Hypergamy will come to a violent end. I look forward to the mass rape ahead

[–]TRP VanguardJP_Whoregan[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is an interesting take. So the current crisis in the Levant Region (Syria and Iraq, for the uninitiated) is a window into the west's future? Interesting.

I'm not Muslim, but from what I understand it is a religion that places considerable amounts of sexual constraint on both men and women; but men were OK with the constraints if they are getting a wife, and women were OK with the constraints as long as they were safe and provided for.

But now neither party is getting their end of the deal, and men are taking whats theirs in a state of raw nature.

Look at all the women flocking to ISIS under the idea that they will get a warrior husband and a safe future. They are shocked when they are captured and sold into sex slavery.

[–]whisky1111 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I can see a future where the majority of women become so obese, entitled, crazy and narcissistic that even alphas won't want to touch them.

[–]definepollution 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

Understanding that NOTHING AT ALL can develop between a man and a woman unless their relationship begins with him delivering Beast Mode sex is crucial to an RP man's frame.

Once a man understands that, he will unconsciously begin to act the way JP_Whoregan acts, and he will conclude that any extra-sexual interaction with a woman serves no purpose in terms of strengthening a "bond" between the two.

If the dick is good enough, the dick is good enough.

[–]Endorsed Contributordr_warlock 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Understanding that NOTHING AT ALL can develop between a man and a woman unless their relationship begins with him delivering Beast Mode sex is crucial to an RP man's frame.

Nothing can happen between a woman unless she looks up to her man and believes he has the power to walk away or assert himself.

[–]definepollution 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Your tenets, which are Red Pill's tenets, exist to allow for a "good" relationship. What I said decides if there's a relationship at all.

Good sex is the foundation, after that it's up to men to decide whether they want a relationship with a woman.

I'm saying that I believe sex is +90% of the "good" relationship.

I'm here learning from yourself and other ECs, and I will not act like I know more than you do, I was just trying to express my understanding of JP_Whoregan's point of view.

[–]TRP VanguardJP_Whoregan[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

This is why men and women cannot be friends. Any interaction between a man and a woman is frameworked upon sex if the man feels sexual attraction to her.

Women either don't, or pretend not to understand this when a friend zoned orbiter suddenly forgets he's an orbiter and asks a female "friend" out for coffee. All this time, she's literally seen him as a penis-less, sexless being, and when he comes onto her in a sexual way, she either pretends not to understand or genuinely doesn't understand.

[–]definepollution 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Absolutely.

Sex appeal is universal, if you have it, all women know you have it, and your LTR knows that they know, and that leads to her behaving the way dr_warlock says she needs to be behaving.

[–]Black-Pill 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

There is a funny little dystopian sci-fi movie made in 1987 called Cherry 2000 that pretty much follows exactly the evolution of Hypergamy as you predict it will come to pass.

Synopsis; Betas use sex robots because the consequences of dealing with real women are not worth it. The ending is totally Bill Pill but the rest of the Movie (particularly the sexbot Cherry 2000) is worth the time.

[–]sumdumguy-throwaway 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

how I see the future:

  • monogamy and marriage will vanish

  • young women will fuck dozens alphas, won't know who the father of their kids are - this will be become the norm

  • mandatory taxes on ALL men to support the children of Alpha Fux (institutionalized Beta Bux)

  • automation and robots will replace betas entirely, getting rid of any reason to keep them around

  • 100% welfare for 100% of women, 0% for men

Eventually, someone will figure out that an automated society needs only about 1 alpha for every 10 women to keep it going.

Not sure how betas will be removed from society, but maybe:

  • males won't be employable in the future anymore due to automation, so any male not alpha-enough to get food/money from a woman will just starve to death pretty quickly.

or

  • a genetic test will be developed for "desirable" traits in males - all betas will be aborted.

[–]Short-Guy 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Won't happen. Those starving betas survival instinct will kick in and they will go feral. They will pillage and rape like the vikings.

[–]mrmeyhemn 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

60%+ obesity for the female population already, so the cunts are half way there.

if divorce rape don't make marriage unattractive enough, women will.

[–]TRP VanguardJP_Whoregan[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm going to agree with /u/Short-Guy here. I think a lot of guys on TRP get this stereotype that Beta men are all skinny fat, awkward nerds who are too awkward to eat a bowl of cereal, much less hunt a deer or bison. This is simply not true.

Remember, the defining character of a Beta male is his ability to provide not only for women, but also entire tribes of people. I know many guys who are strong, fit, good hunters, have guns and know how to shoot them, but are beta as hell with women. I think men, faced with a future of obsolescence, would form natural packs or tribes, kidnap and rape women at will, and there simply won't be enough Chad Thundercocks to do anything about it.