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[–]SCphotog 697ポイント698ポイント  (271子コメント)

Screw the inter-office politcs and go make the browser better.

[–]fauxgnaws 368ポイント369ポイント  (46子コメント)

They fired their top guy that knew how to make the browser better.

[–]ILikeLenexa 41ポイント42ポイント  (6子コメント)

But now, you can get suggested sites on your New Tab screen! Didn't you ever want ads straight from your browser without all the middlemen of going to a website?!

[–]coopdude 26ポイント27ポイント  (5子コメント)

Better yet, they're discussing removing the preference in about:config that allows customization to another URL so you have to have the newtab page and merely use a control setting to blank the sponsored tiles instead of never loading them.

I'm really disappointed and saddened by the direction the browser is going in. Pocket, Australis, burying the included tracking protection... but things like this are now getting even worse. The death of XPCOM for a half baked WebExtensions API is probably the worst, as while they may provide APIs for the most popular extensions (NoScript), anything less is going to be locked out or severely reduced in functionality. All to claim easier porting of addons.

If I wanted to use Chrome, I'd use Chrome or Chromium or some other Chromium based browser.

[–]ILikeBumblebees 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

Switch to Pale Moon -- it's a direct fork of Firefox that rolls back most of Mozilla's recent bad decisions and usurpations of user control.

[–]cranktheguy 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

The death of XPCOM for a half baked WebExtensions API is probably the worst, as while they may provide APIs for the most popular extensions (NoScript), anything less is going to be locked out or severely reduced in functionality.

If Tree Style Tabs doesn't work, I'll be moving back to Pale Moon.

[–]jspenguin 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Tab Mix Plus is in the same boat. That is the one extension I cannot browse without.

[–]mr_tyler_durden 87ポイント88ポイント  (9子コメント)

You know I was in support of Brandon being fired at the time for a number of reasons but I can't disagree with your comment. I have flip-flopped on this issue a number of times and I still don't know where I stand....

Either way, have an upvote.

[–]madisonrebel 14ポイント15ポイント  (1子コメント)

All I know is that focusing on identity politics does approximately jack shit to help fix their fucking memory leak.

[–]KrakatoaSpelunker 48ポイント49ポイント  (6子コメント)

Eh, Eich knew a lot from a technical level, but he also was a really terrible manager who was responsible for a lot of discord and resentment internally for reasons that had nothing to do with his political views. He was a controversial CTO even before they named him CEO for that reason.

He had a reputation for derailing meetings with long, personal conversations and steamrolling over other people's decisions, which is not a great way to bring out the best in your employees.

Also, people always forget that reason he stepped down ultimately was because of the pushback from Mozilla employees who didn't want him as their CEO.

[–]coopdude 17ポイント18ポイント  (4子コメント)

Also, people always forget that reason he stepped down ultimately was because of the pushback from Mozilla employees who didn't want him as their CEO.

It's difficult to tell as someone who is not in the organization where exactly the full discontment was. Certain people at Mozilla publicly called for his resignation while others defended him (source 1 and source 2).

OKCupid started filtering Firefox to a splash page that the browser company had an anti-gay CEO and other sources were raising criticism too, which isn't good when you're the public figurehead for a company either, and also whether any internal opinions on whether he resigned were mostly dominated by people who felt against his position personally or just that the controversy rendered him ineffective as a leader.

You speak about Eich's reputation though, which makes it seem like you have more background (or maybe experience) in the area.

[–]cjackc 14ポイント15ポイント  (1子コメント)

So it was OK for those people to air their discontentment but not this person on Reddit?

[–]KrakatoaSpelunker 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

While the OkCupid response made a lot of headlines, the main deciding factor was the internal pushback. Some of that was due to his political views, but a lot was related to his actual efficacy as a leader (independent of his politics), and that was the nail in the coffin. Even if they forced Eich to recant his political views publicly, which some outsiders were calling for, they can't suddenly turn him into an effective leader (or force Mozilla employees to respect him as a leader). That's why Eich had to go. There was literally no way for him to do his job effectively.

It didn't make headlines, and Mozilla certainly didn't want to publicize that ("our employees all think that the person we just named CEO is really incompetent"), but that's the real inside scoop, so to speak.

[–]RhomboidStorm 48ポイント49ポイント  (22子コメント)

Yes. If you let the politics get to the point that engineers show this type of behavior, you should pay more attention. These types of comments don't come out of left field. It think you need to look at what is happening in house before you make a scapegoat. Don't let all of this damage the product. Get your house in order. Make sure people don't feel like they are being shit on in the name of political correctness (it rarely is correct) and focus on your product, not a witch hunt.

[–]slacka123 180ポイント181ポイント  (152子コメント)

That's exactly their problem. They're more interested in hiring female/transgender employees than hiring the top quality programmers and software engineers necessary to catch their browser up to the standard set by chrome.

[–]RhomboidStorm 131ポイント132ポイント  (30子コメント)

Screw that. If you hire someone because of their gender or political view you are essentially firing someone becuase they don't have the "right" view. It's discrimination. Hire the right person Fuck this affirmative action. If you want to make a difference, commit money to helping educate people, don't kick out skilled people becuase some gradeschool teacher was steering girls away from programming. Guilt hiring is stupid and never turns out well

[–]Jimmyson07 48ポイント49ポイント  (7子コメント)

This is the reason why I have trouble with those sort of people in the feminist and lgbt movements. They are practically bullies. If you don't agree with their opinions or their standards. They will make life very difficult for you.

Honestly, they need to grow a pair and live with it. Their activism has given them plenty of opportunity to be equal on a human level. Not everyone is going to agree with them. That's life!

Expressing our views and opinions is a right that we have, called free-speech. And some are groups and people are preventing others from doing this. "Why?" Is the question I am asking...

[–]meetyouredoom 61ポイント62ポイント  (6子コメント)

Trust me, myself and a few other trans folk I know are sick to death of these drama llamas. They really are bullies at this point, word policing, shaming others for frivolous reasons (typically because they are extremely thin skinned and get "triggered" at everything), attempting to silence opposing views like mra's who have legitimate issues.

We fucking hate what the visible front of LGBT issues has become, which is precisely this shaved side of the head blue hair nose piercing "gender non conformist" asshole who is completely incapable of going 5 minutes without letting you know how offended and oppressed they are being. Define yourself as a fucking average person first, and LGBT member after the fact.

[–]oneanddoneforfun 16ポイント17ポイント  (1子コメント)

I wish I knew more people like you.

[–]distant_worlds 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

There are an awful lot more of them than you imagine, and you may very well have met them. There are plenty of ordinary trans folk who don't go the dyed hair, outrage-to-11 route. They put a ton of work into their appearance and manner and you would never guess they had been a different gender earlier in life.

Of course, none of them want to be the "face" of trans. They just want to live their lives and are happier if you don't think of them as trans. So it's the crazies waving it in everyone's faces that get the attention.

I wish I knew a way to fix this.

[–]MonsterBlash 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

I hope trans folks and non trans folks, feminists and non-feminists can all get together and find a way to get rid of those assholes who are ruining everything for everyone. We need a new term so that when we want to point out "those assholes" we can do it without having to say feminist.

That "asshole victim culture" needs a name, and it needs to be known, so the focus is turned on the person being a shitty asshole who coop a cause to use it as a shield, instead of actually being about the cause. Things always get derailed as being "anti-feminist" or misogyny, instead of being focused on the person being shitty.

[–]ICritMyPants 35ポイント36ポイント  (8子コメント)

Guilt hiring is stupid and never turns out well

Don't tell SRS that! They'll lynch you, rip your balls off and turn you into one of them.

[–]men_cant_be_raped[🍰] 16ポイント17ポイント  (4子コメント)

SRS

Where have you been in the last 2 years? The self-righteous bitternesshealthy sense of justice's all in SRD now!

[–]RhomboidStorm 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

They can lynch me and tear off my balls, but I'll never be one of them. I grew up learning critical thinking...

[–]oneanddoneforfun 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

That sounds like hate speech. You're fired from Mozilla. Pack up your shit and get the fuck out.

[–]cjackc 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Or it leads to women and minorities getting put into roles they might not want or be qualified for and then when they leave or get fired it is just an example of women or minorities not being welcome in tech!

[–]ztfreeman 195ポイント196ポイント  (110子コメント)

Now remember, the phrase "the most qualified person should get the job" is also hate speech according to some now.

I want to preface what I am about to say by explaining that I have been a leading and founding member of an organization that specifically wanted to make a domestic call center that hired exclusively transgendered people. This project that I am a part of is different, because it is a) from the outset designed to create jobs and a safe enviroment for a specific set of people who have difficulty getting face to face work at times and b) it is entry level. Knowing that most of our potential applicants won't be seasoned programers or even troubleshooters the goal is to put ouy money with some return to help get these people actually become qualified to be hireable.

But what Mozilla is doing here isn't helping. What this whole new movement of, for lack of a better term SJWs, is doing the movement towards equality injustice and creating antagonism that doesn't naturallly exist. It lacks all common sense, and creates divison, and the one thing we all need most is universal support and bloody common sense.

I want a world where more people just don't care if you are gay, black, or trans. A lot of people already don't, and that's a good thing. An enlightened society doesn't artificially elevate people based on race, gender, or sexual orientation and while we need to do work to put people on the level the end goal should be that everyone is on the level and that we just treat people like people. What I fear about this new movement is that it is unknowingly becoming LGBT supremacist, in that they are only comfortable with their own subset of people and don't want a world where people see them as people but want extra special treatment all of the time and everyone to differ to them.

This guy at Mozilla was pissed off that this person and that movement isn't helping and actively making work difficult, and a real social activist should strive to make everyone feel included to help work go more smoothly between everyone, because if one set of people feels slighteted by the other it is going to generate that division that creates a hostile environment, like it is doing here.

And now Mozilla also looks like it will lose qualified labor in the process, hurting their brand and ultimately making any sort of social justice its CEO wantes to forward harder to accomplish as opposed to sitting these people down and discussing the issue like adults.

[–]AlexanderTheJustOk 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

How can you only hire transgender people? Isn't that discriminatory against everyone else who applies for the job?

[–]ztfreeman 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

The way it will work is that it simply isn't an open company like a standard Call-Center. It's a center that provides OJT (On the job training), which in most states you are allowed to be as selective as you want for what amounts to students to come in and work while learning.

The actual group we want to outreach isn't what most people on Reddit or most people online claim to advocate for. A large number of transgendered people are well over 35 and often they suffer from a disjointed life that leads to the dark tracks. Often drug abuse and prostitution come into the picture. Going back no more than a decade ago and these people would lose their job when they "came out", as well as their family's and all of the financial nets associated with that. These are often people who had careers and often all of the debt attached to family building attached to the income of that career which just went poof once they were canned for one reason or the other. The need to grab quick and plentiful income often leads to very dark stories in relation to transgenderism.

But while everyone talks about people like Jenner, who is already wealthy, or young adults or even adolescents who are all dependents, few do anything about the large swaths of people who cannot make ends meet and often become homeless, and have no hope of returning to a career that they've trained for most of their lives. So not only do they need jobs they need training, and they need a work environment and career path that doesn't face day to day discrimination like say retail.

Thus IT and software development/troubleshooting came into the picture. Basically we are working to create a starting point that not only earns the recepiant a basic income but also is financially self sustaining, and because it's a call center they don't have to deal with face to face discrimination. Through this they can learn IT basics and eventually earn the skills to leave the system and market their qualities in the open market as IT helpdesk or even programming and at that point they are now on an even keel with everyone else in an industry that doesn't normally care the gender of the worker, and often work is done remotely and the income is good.

There has been talk about if it became successful enough expanding it beyond transgendered people and attempting to adapt it to other off the tracks victims, but starting small is the best idea. While we want it to break even, it will likely be a loss that earns some of its investment back. It is, for all intense and purposes, charity that is more economically sustainable than just throwing money at the problem in and of itself.

[–]Mikeuicus 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

You're dead on. There's now a common (mis)conception out there that anyone who gets a good job and is successful is solely due to circumstances of their birth. Oh, you're white with a good job? Well, you were probably born into a successful family, you went to a good school, your parents had successful friends who got you a successful internship, etc.

This is patently insulting to many because there are plenty of do-nothing heirs and heiresses who are born into successful families and do nothing with their lives. The person determines their success and the above mental gymnastics are as insulting as assuming a black person born into the ghetto must, inherently, live a life of poverty and crime.

[–]Igosuki 80ポイント81ポイント  (89子コメント)

I want a world where people don't think that my high iq and salary are because of white privilege. Same goal in the end, I guess ?

[–]ztfreeman 66ポイント67ポイント  (8子コメント)

I hate the whole check your privilege thing for exactly this reason. It removes all individual agency when looking at social issues and categorizes people in locked in opposing camps that essentially classifies people as the enemy based on race, gender, and sexuality. It is entirely counter productive and is used as an excuse to antagonise people and feel smug about it. Furthermore I argue that it makes people on the lower end of the chart to identify with their place on the ladder and essentially reinforce the idea that they belong at the bottom discouraging any kind of upward mobility.

[–]koeleskab 58ポイント59ポイント  (7子コメント)

The harsh truth is that hardcore SJW's are just as bigoted as the extremists they pretend everyone else is.

[–]bonked_or_maybe_not 40ポイント41ポイント  (1子コメント)

I would argue they are more.

[–]lordx3n0saeon 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is what happens to white "racists" these days, this is what happens to SJWs.

Way easier to be a bigot when it's the current state-sponsored religion.

[–]mike311 12ポイント13ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's the horse shoe theory, opposite groups with really rigid ideals are ironically have a great deal in common.

[–]trezor2 45ポイント46ポイント  (30子コメント)

I want a world where people don't think that my high iq and salary are because of white privilege

You don't fight SJW by adopting their language. There is no white privilege.

As a white male who was constantly harassed and battered every single day through my entire elementary school period, I find it incredibly offensive that people categorically reject the notion that white people can be abused.

Ofcourse they can. Ofcourse they are. There is no white privilege. Reject the concept. Reject the word.

That SJWs online can rally up a mob because a open-source project refuses to give minorities special treatment, while at the same time giving a flying fuck about real world abuse shows what they're all about: Drama and power.

[–]fucking_snuggle 22ポイント23ポイント  (3子コメント)

Jesus. I don't care what color you are, but please just stop "getting offended." It's a ridiculous notion and concept in the first place.

[–]meetyouredoom 14ポイント15ポイント  (1子コメント)

People need to learn that "being offended" cannot hurt anyone. Whatever happened to "sticks and stones may break my bones bit words will never hurt me?" People react as if you've stabbed them if you "misgender" them or refuse to use their crazy terms like neutral pronouns or "people of size" instead of obese.

[–]Da_Penetrator 15ポイント16ポイント  (6子コメント)

lose qualified labor in the process, hurting their brand

I'm a highly credentialed IT professional, and yep, Mozilla is officially off the list of places I'd consider working, along with Github and more recently, Amazon (had actually come close to applying at this one in particular, glad I didn't).

I'll still use Firefox though as long as it's a quality product.

[–]gbear605 6ポイント7ポイント  (5子コメント)

Why Github?

[–]ItsMeCaptainMurphy 31ポイント32ポイント  (4子コメント)

Lately they started drinking the koolaid. Github used to have a meritocracy as one of its guiding principals - no more, because somehow saying people advancing and being hired based on their skillset is apparently problematic. They've adopted a code of conduct for their projects and encouraged others to do the same. While that's not inherently bad in concept, the specific code of conduct that they adopted includes such gems as:

Physical contact and simulated physical contact (eg, textual descriptions like “hug” or “backrub”) without consent or after a request to stop

Our open source community prioritizes marginalized people’s safety over privileged people’s comfort. We will not act on complaints regarding:

  • ‘Reverse’ -isms, including ‘reverse racism,’ ‘reverse sexism,’ and ‘cisphobia’

  • Reasonable communication of boundaries, such as “leave me alone,” “go away,” or “I’m not discussing this with you”

  • Refusal to explain or debate social justice concepts

  • Communicating in a ‘tone’ you don’t find congenial

  • Criticizing racist, sexist, cissexist, or otherwise oppressive behavior or assumptions

They have since (at least temporarily) backed away from that code of conduct, likely because a lawyer told them that last section has a good chance of landing them in some hot water.

Finally, they've started tone policing public repos on github, taking down legitimate projects simply because it used words they didn't like (the two examples I know of are the removal of a conversion tool because it contained the word "retard" and more absurdly the removal of a griefing filtering tool because its dictionaries (that it used to autoban people) had "bad" words in it).

[–]mki401 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

the removal of a griefing filtering tool because its dictionaries (that it used to autoban people) had "bad" words in it).

This can't be real.

[–]Laboe 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Welcome to GitHub 2015.

And as we can now see, they're far from alone. I mean, if this continues apace China will crush all competition.

[–]FillInTheBlank 21ポイント22ポイント  (2子コメント)

hired exclusively transgendered people.

To prevent discrimination you use discrimination?

[–]skocznymroczny 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

they call it reverse discrimination and consider it a good thing...

[–]Schlagv 12ポイント13ポイント  (2子コメント)

What also disturbs me is that beyond the Mozilla drama with upper middle class liberals fighting other upper middle class liberals, the social justice mouvement is targetting the lower middle class.

The not very educated white hetero (both sexes) lower middle class is living in a different world. A world of low income, hard work, alcohol and cigarette and painkillers to forget their crushed body. And if they switch on TV, they see upper middle class hippies saying that simple people should suffer and have guilt because they are not "progressist" enough.

You end up with those people voting Donald Trump. Because it is not about blacks and homosexuals anymore. This is us vs them. White cis hetereo upper middle class liberals vs white cis hetero lower middle class conservatives.

And in a world with a collapsing middle class and unemployment much higher than what official statistics say, especially for low qualified people, those rednecks just cannot tolerate to see priviledged people on TV telling them they should check their priviledge and deserve to be fired to take an oppressed minority instead.

Then, we all wonder why politics is becoming polarized ...

I saw a talk by a French founder of the antiracism movement in the 80s saying they made a mistake. That you have 5-10% of the population who are prood to be openly racist/sexist and will be even more by provocation. And you have the majority of normal people caught in between, who on principle agree that racism and sexism is bad, but become more aggresive after being again and again told they are guilty of something.

[–]ASS_CREDDIT 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Fucking amen! We need less shit to divide us not more.

[–]arlenroy 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

Man that's a big issue for corporate America, at least I think. Now I'm just a blue collar 9-5 guy however in my personal experience I've seen hiring people because they fit a demographic go horribly wrong. Example; I work at government owned corporation, because we deal with one of the largest underground sewage infrastructures in the U.S. we employee a lot of engineers. One that was brought on was a badass! She could formulate and fix any problem on paper or blue print, problem being the position also called for her to occasionally do some physical work. I'm all for women's rights and equality however you can't expect a 5'4 120lbs 24 year old girl to remove a 36inch checkvalve cover that's cast iron to see flow diversion. End result she lasted about 7 months, we lost a good engineer because she was hired for a certain demo rather than using her where we could of really used her!

[–]Sovieto 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

Is there some news story that you're referencing? Everyone is anti affirmative action circle jerking but no one has posted any relevant source. Google came up pretty empty for me.

[–]kameegaming 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

it's really quite hard to eat up as much memory as chrome does, KAPPA

[–]Mrcheez211 18ポイント19ポイント  (12子コメント)

yeah I'm trying to watch porn with firefox on ubuntu 14.04 and it's slow as shit for some reason. Youtube videos are fine though.

plz help

[–]bluetentacle 12ポイント13ポイント  (4子コメント)

Might have to do with the player. Flash for example sucks a lot with linux, even more than in windows.

[–]mexicanweasel 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Using an html or flash viewer? Some places just use shithouse html5 players, and some sites have crappy bandwidth for watching videos.

[–]roidie 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

What porn? Gangbangs use more bandwidth unless it's Japanese because then the pixelized genitals use less so it evens out.

[–]ForeverAlone2SexGod 18ポイント19ポイント  (21子コメント)

Just a reminder that their previous perfectly qualified CEO was forced out due to his donations toward traditional marriage political causes.

Mozilla isn't about tech anymore.

[–]RobotWantsKitty 18ポイント19ポイント  (5子コメント)

Did he donate money out of company funds? If not, it is irrelevant to Mozilla itself.

[–]Lamboo- 76ポイント77ポイント  (12子コメント)

traditional marriage political causes

anti-gay marriage political causes. don't use weasel words

[–]UlyssesSKrunk 63ポイント64ポイント  (4子コメント)

"I support tradition education political causes."

"Oh shut up, grandpa, we're not bringing segregation back."

[–]CJGibson 11ポイント12ポイント  (3子コメント)

One of the more recent This American Life's was about how we actually have brought segregated schools back. American Schools were apparently the most integrated in the 80s and it's only gotten worse since then. Pretty fascinating listen, really.

The Problem We All Live With

The Problem We All Live With, Part II

[–]fucking_snuggle 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

Maybe next they'll cover how No Child Left Behind is just teaching our kids how to take standardized tests but throwing critical thinking and self-driven education out the window.

[–]Arrow156 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

There is no more "gay marriage", the courts have ruled, this is only "marriage" now.

[–]dlerium 118ポイント119ポイント  (15子コメント)

To be honest if you posted stuff like this at any Fortune 500 company about your workplace and it was identified to be you, I'm pretty sure most people would get terminated if not a severe warning from HR and other consequences.

This certainly isn't the same as a hate crime or hate speech IMO, but imagine writing that on your public Facebook profile openly calling out a colleague and expecting you not to get in any trouble at work.

[–]Firecracker048 25ポイント26ポイント  (1子コメント)

Considering it's anonymous, and the things said aren't really hate speech. Saying you and other employees didn't like someone because they called alcohol "rape juice" at a company get together isn't exactly hate speech

[–]dlerium 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

I agree its not hate speech, but read the quote of what was said:

When she and the rest of her blue-haired nose-pierced asshole feminists are gone, the tech industry will breathe a sigh of relief

Try saying that at your company not just to your best buddy but to a handful of employees and tell me you won't get a call from your boss/HR pretty soon. I agree hate speech is in general far worse, but I see the CEO's statements as a statement that being anonymous doesn't give you the right to make these statements you obviously wouldn't post on your public Facebook profile.

If anything, by going anonymous, you're attempting to skirt the system knowing that you would otherwise get in trouble. I do think the CEO went overboard by making a statement in public, but I could see making a statement at an internal all hands addressing this issue as reasonable. After all it sounds like they did not identify the person yet AND this is a tech/internet company where probably a lot of individuals are already on Reddit/Voat/whatever social media already--some of which can be abused for anonymous comments that don't contribute to a positive work place.

[–]ShadowLiberal 12ポイント13ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yeah you definitely would be fired for saying it anywhere, but Mozilla handled it completely wrong by publicly saying they'd fire the guy.

All Mozilla accomplished was drawing more attention to what the guy wrote. I never heard of this controversy until I saw this article. Plus, even if they fire him, it makes Mozilla look bad in some people's eyes for hiring such a sexist jerk in the first place.

[–]dlerium 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, I think it was probably not necessary to make this statement in public--however keep in mind the user was anonymous. Was he eventually identified? I could see an executive making a statement an internal meeting speaking out against anonymized speech that is creating a hostile work environment. If they identified the individual, then it should be handled on an individual basis.

[–]Sultan_of_Sass 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

"If that's not actually hate speech, it's pretty damn close,"

Grey area becomes black. Adjacent area becomes grey.

[–]Zombies_hate_ninjas 312ポイント313ポイント  (37子コメント)

I'm all for having a strong stance on hate speech, when running a business. Every employee represents the company, whether they want to or not.

But these comments!? Really? Fuck off. Calling such comments hate speech is a disservice to everyone. It's intellectually dishonest and sets a very dangerous precedent.

But hey. You run a company you fancied who.you choose. If I was the employee in question, and was actually fired; I'd Sue for wrongful termination. I can't see a jury not siding with the employee.

[–]faustlinge 112ポイント113ポイント  (22子コメント)

Seeing as how there are only very specific circumstances that the US considers wrongful termination, and the CEO finding you to be an asshole is not one of them, I think you are being quite optimistic about a a) a jury siding with the employee and b) any appeal should that happen not being upheld and the ruling thrown out. Hell, Ellen Pao had a better case on paper than this person would.

[–]worknman 76ポイント77ポイント  (8子コメント)

Yeah, I think it's a fire-able offense. Going on some website and talking about a specific person at a specific company you work for is a good way to get your ass canned if you are identified as the one who made the comment.

[–]SmegmataTheFirst 39ポイント40ポイント  (3子コメント)

Ex-employee. I think that's an important distinction. Any current employees spoken about were done so anonymously. Also, to see if hate speech, try turning the comment on its head and see if it still sounds like hate speech.

"Frankly everyone was glad to see the back of John Smith. He was batshit insane and permanently offended at everything," "When he and the rest of his buzz-cut suited up asshole mysoginists are gone, the tech industry will breathe a sigh of relief."

Doesn't sound like hate speech to me. Just someone who needs to calm the fuck down.

[–]NSMike 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's still an internal company matter. Check your company's social media and internet policy. Most have specific clauses about commenting on internal affairs in a public forum. The minute you identify yourself as an employee, even implicitly, you declare yourself a representative, and unless you're authorized to be one, that's a huge no-no. If Mozilla is in an at-will employment state, they don't even need the policy.

[–]axytl 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

Haven't you heard? Hate speech is vicious abuse plus power. So it's OK when they do it. Punching up and all that.

[–]Hubris2 22ポイント23ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm fairly sure most definitions of hate speech require some form of threat or call to violence. To call someone a blue-haired feminist, or a yellow-bellied Canadian, or a stinky Redditor is a weak criticism at the level most surpass in grade school. Obviously this CEO is highly sensitive to association of this nature and is taking a very aggressive response - but this is not akin to a fascist state claiming they need living space and followers of a particular religion stand in their way.

[–]mr_tyler_durden 18ポイント19ポイント  (2子コメント)

Every employee represents the company, whether they want to or not.

I have a little bit of an issue with this statement. I understand it and somewhat agree with it but at the same time I just want to say "Then pay me like I'm working 24/7". I really hate it when companies try to tell their employees what they can and can't do in their own time...

I'm salaried but even then I signed up to work ~40hrs/week and jump on any issue of it crops up in my off-hours. I don't agree to be a spokesperson nor behave like I've got the company logo tattooed on my forehead...

[–]Zombies_hate_ninjas 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Sorry I don't agree. When an employee starts a conversation outside of work with "I work at Mozilla(or any other company)", that employee chose to align himself with that company, to identify himself as a member of that company. There is a responsibility required when doing that.

[–]mr_tyler_durden 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sorry, when someone specifically mentions where they work all bets are off, I agree. It's the general idea of "you are always a spokesperson" that I take issue with.

[–]simjanes2k 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

wrongful termination

right to work state bro, no good there

[–]ghastlyactions 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, he seems to have an issue with what they do, not who they are inherently.

[–]gerritvb 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

There's a possible argument that the comments are protected by labor laws (employees must be allowed to communicate with one another about the conditions of their employment). Facebook rants have been held to be protected already. The main issue for the employee is that there is not obviously another Mozilla employee in the thread.

http://www.accountingweb.com/aa/standards/when-employees-rant-online-the-nlrb-weighs-in-on-workers-rights

The National Labor Relations Board (NLRB) filed an unfair labor practice complaint against AMR, alleging that the Facebook posts were protected speech under federal labor laws. AMR settled the case before trial, and in a separate settlement, agreed to revise its Internet posting policy.

These protections extend to non-union members, too (because how else can you unionize?).

[–]oroboroboro 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm sorry your dissent is not acceptable and a form of hate speech, you are fired.

[–]bobsp 55ポイント56ポイント  (15子コメント)

Just calling something hate speech does not make it hate speech.

[–]trezor2 32ポイント33ポイント  (12子コメント)

Hate speech is a made up newspeak-term with no real meaning. It's only used to strike down upon unpopular opinion normally protected by regular freedom of speech.

I automatically assume anyone talking (seriously) about hate-speech as a "problem" to be a political troll.

[–]MonkeyYoda 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

Except that there are actual hate-speech laws in Canada.

[–]DrHoppenheimer 10ポイント11ポイント  (2子コメント)

They were weakened significantly a few years ago after several egregious abuses by the Human Rights Councils. Today hate speech is "only" a criminal infraction and the legal standard is very, very high.

[–]Left4Troll 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

As they should have been. The Human Rights Councils were becoming a joke, as they found in favor of the complainant almost all the time, even for the most innocuous things. They were becoming a way for people to get revenge or stifle operations for being upset or offended, instead of helping people with legitimate grievances.

Im glad they were cut down to a general restriction to 'inciting/promoting hatred or violence', although like any law even that leaves room for abuse. There should be protections in place, but for actual harassment and abuse, not offended sensibilities and hurt feelings.

[–]IHaveHugeNick 147ポイント148ポイント  (30子コメント)

So if a supervisor is bullying people at work, we introduce entire anti-mobbing laws and start social programs to raise awareness.

Unless that person is a rabid feminist, that is. Then you'll get fired for complaining.

Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.

[–]Vayate 179ポイント180ポイント  (41子コメント)

"When I talk about crossing the line from criticism to hate speech, I'm talking about when you start saying 'someone's kind doesn't belong here, and we'll all be happy when they're gone.'"

So if and when we identify who this person is, if they are an employee, they will be fired. And regardless, either way, they are not welcome to continue to participate in the Mozilla project. It is not who we are.

The hypocrisy is stunning.

[–]BIG_GUY_FOR_YOU 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

Saying that feminists annoy you is not "hate speech," lol

[–]aboardthegravyboat 20ポイント21ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ugh.

"Hate speech"? You know why they use the phrase "hate speech"? Because there is a specific Supreme Court decision that defines "hate speech" as unprotected. The quoted tweet in this article isn't remotely close to that. But Beard still wants to call it "hate speech" because by defining it that way, he can claim that not only is this speech reprehensible, it's downright illegal! No, in this case, all "hate speech" means is "speech that offends me personally". But intentionally using a phrase that has a legal definition is just stupid.

If you want to fire someone because they're breaking policy and that you don't like their attitude, nut up and do it. Don't try to cloak your actions with phrases like "hate speech".

Misusing words like that is an insult to people who have actually suffered the violent acts under the direct commands of those engaging in hate speech. Go tell the victim of a KKK lynching that his pain is no different that a woman who has trouble getting along with people in the office because they openly disagree with her political beliefs.

[–]themangodess 87ポイント88ポイント  (9子コメント)

The future looks scary if this is becoming more and more acceptable to these crazed people.

[–]NZzzzzzzz 41ポイント42ポイント  (6子コメント)

I'm calling it now: the future will consist of politically correct social "justice" warrior liberal arts debtors in the office and everyone who does the heavy lifting real work telecommuting so they don't have to put up with those assholes in person.

The future of consulting never looked so bright.

[–]jimmydorry 100ポイント101ポイント  (23子コメント)

Redditor: When she and the rest of her blue-haired nose-pierced asshole feminists are gone, the tech industry will breathe a sigh of relief

CEO: When I talk about crossing the line from criticism to hate speech, I'm talking about when you start saying 'someone's kind doesn't belong here, and we'll all be happy when they're gone

CEO: If that's not actually hate speech, it's pretty damn close. We are not going to walk that line as Mozilla. So if and when we identify who this person is, if they are an employee, they will be fired. And regardless, either way, they are not welcome to continue to participate in the Mozilla project. It is not who we are.

So the CEO wants that employee gone because the redditor says everyone will be happy when a specific type of horrible co-worker is gone (because it is hate speech).

Make sense that CEO is spouting hate speech too.

[–]Cgn38 42ポイント43ポイント  (10子コメント)

Yep it is funny how people are not allowed to openly have a negative opinion of another person if they are a "protected" class or just not a white male.

[–]CJGibson 34ポイント35ポイント  (9子コメント)

To play devil's advocate for a moment, there is a difference between being upset by what someone does, and being upset by what someone is.

Which one of these categories the original statement falls into is a bit hazy (as either side of this disagreement is likely to choose a different one), but there are unequivocal cases where people are hated because they're female, black, gay, transgender, and so on. This is a wholly different thing from being unhappy because someone gave you crabs, said something mean, took your favorite picnic table, or whatever else.

[–]distant_worlds 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

To play devil's advocate for a moment, there is a difference between being upset by what someone does, and being upset by what someone is.

Dying your hair, getting piercings, and being an asshole are all behaviors you choose, not traits you are born into.

[–]DID_IT_FOR_YOU 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

The reason why I don't consider this hate speech is because he was specifically criticizing SJW feminists. Basically he was criticizing a political viewpoint because that's what feminism is (a political group).

No one would have blinked an eye if he had been criticizing MRAs. He got shit on because he criticized the in-crowd.

It would definitely be hate speech if he said "women" instead of feminists but that isn't what he said.

He basically decried a group that he probably sees similar to the tea party in their extremeness.

[–]torsocannon 18ポイント19ポイント  (8子コメント)

Can you seriously not see how the two statements are different? In what universe can you publicly talk shit about your employer and not expect to be fired? Everyone in this thread is a moron. Including me for expecting some kind of self awareness on your part.

[–]trezor2 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

Make sense that CEO is spouting hate speech too.

They are playing word games against the common man. By shaping the language they are shaping the premesis for the discussion. This is newspeak and nothing else.

"Hate speech" is just a vague and coward weasel-word to be able to randomly strike down on things the established political elite doesn't like.

So reject it. Reject the term "hate speech". Instead demand people actually justify what they find offensive and why. Then ask them about freedom of speech and how their line of thinking would work if it was applied constently and principally.

It's the same with "social justice". If you need to prefix "justice" with another word, it's probably not justice any more. It should automatically make you suspicious of false flag operations being conducted.

[–]ForeverAlone2SexGod 58ポイント59ポイント  (10子コメント)

First they fired Brendon Eich and now this. I am forced to now consider Mozilla to be a political organization that happens to make a browser.

Why the hell would I use a browser made by a political organization? No thanks Mozilla. You've driven this user faaaar away.

[–]distant_worlds 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

palemoon.org is the way out without sacrificing those yummy firefox addons.

[–]alexyeahdude 7ポイント8ポイント  (5子コメント)

Uh, of course it's political. They make a free/libre browser which specifically emphasises privacy and changing the web. Go use IE if you want something apolitical.

[–]madisonrebel 15ポイント16ポイント  (3子コメント)

What do privacy and changing the web have to do with gay marriage and SJWs? There's a difference between identity politics causing inter-office conflict and developing technology to enable people to communicate more efficiently and securely.

[–]ForeverAlone2SexGod 12ポイント13ポイント  (2子コメント)

There seems to be a group of people who constantly try to associate or mix open source software with leftist politics.

[–]madisonrebel 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hint: it's not just open source software. They want politics in everything.

[–]fche 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

... and the sooner they're gone, the sooner the tech industry will breathe a sigh of relief.

[–]cjackc 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Until their definition of "privacy" and "free" has an exception for if you say something bad about feminists or blue haired people.

Better put a protection in so people don't see such "hate speech" and have a privacy loop hole so you can track them down.

[–]worknman 239ポイント240ポイント  (170子コメント)

So anything negative said about feminists is considered hate speech? Fantastic :P That's one more group we're not allowed to criticize, or else possibly risk losing our jobs.

[–]Sparkykc124 151ポイント152ポイント  (138子コメント)

"When she and the rest of her blue-haired nose-pierced asshole feminists are gone, the tech industry will breathe a sigh of relief." It was that remark that appeared to trigger Beard's warning today. "When I talk about crossing the line from criticism to hate speech, I'm talking about when you start saying 'someone's kind doesn't belong here, and we'll all be happy when they're gone.'"

He was very specific about what he considered hate speech, it wasn't "anything negative said about feminists".

[–]IBiteYou 111ポイント112ポイント  (135子コメント)

blue-haired nose-pierced asshole feminists

Is this really hate speech?

[–]STFUTheFuckUp 156ポイント157ポイント  (104子コメント)

I believe you are missing the relevant part of the statement.

"When I talk about crossing the line from criticism to hate speech, I'm talking about when you start saying 'someone's kind doesn't belong here, and we'll all be happy when they're gone.'"

So it was more "When she and the rest of... are gone, the tech industry will breathe a sigh of relief." that caused him to consider that hate speech.

Just wanted to clarify, but let the downvotes come, as I'm sure they will.

[–]IBiteYou 32ポイント33ポイント  (0子コメント)

"Frankly everyone was glad to see the back of Christie Koehler. She was batshit insane and permanently offended at everything," the user wrote. "When she and the rest of her blue-haired nose-pierced asshole feminists are gone, the tech industry will breathe a sigh of relief."

[–]PixelBlock 66ポイント67ポイント  (31子コメント)

Not exactly hate speech. A bit jerkish? Sure. But 'hate speech' is a completely unnecessary exaggeration of what is arguably the venting of a frustrated employee over the departure of a major source of stress.

[–]MetalOrganism 33ポイント34ポイント  (16子コメント)

But that doesn't make any sense.

"Hate speech" is saying hateful things against a group due to or defined by immutable characteristics of that group, ie "those blacks", "them gays", etc.

Every quality mentioned here (blue hair, nose piercing, feminist, asshole) is NOT immutable. These qualities are deliberate behaviors/beliefs chosen by the 'asshole feminist' in question.

By calling this "hate speech", the Mozilla CEO has equated all criticism with hate speech. Using this exact line of reasoning, calling a referee a "stupid idiot" for making a bad call is "hate speech". Calling a salesmen "sleazy" for cheating his customers is "hate speech". Calling someone a "rude jackass" for being disrespectful is "hate speech". This is an absurd and idiotic notion that equates all forms of criticism with hate speech. It's the "let's nerf the world" mentality manifest in an overly-PC business setting, which will cost an employee his job for expressing disdain at being treated poorly by a superior. It's little more than a ridiculous and self-serving form of censorship.

If I were the Mozilla CEO, I'd be really embarrassed at having been exposed as a hypocritical dumbass for the world to see.

[–]rapidsight 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wait, that part you omitted is a very specific definition, where each word makes it more and more specific - ending with the word 'asshole', which describes a character trait, not a kind.

[–]bunnysuitman 29ポイント30ポイント  (0子コメント)

When you have never experienced any real repression, being called on your bullshit is likely to seem like the worst thing ever.

[–]bigmac80 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's a really flawed logic on his part though.

"When she and the rest of... are gone, the tech industry will breathe a sigh of relief."

There are plenty of things I can use to fill in the blank on that statement that would be entirely reasonable and even positive to say. The problem we're having now is that culturism is being pushed as a part of civil rights, and it isn't. You should be protected based on your gender, sexuality, religion, ethnicity, nationality, etc.. but world views should not be counted among them. Seeing the world differently than others should, under no circumstances, grant you special consideration or treatment. Not saying that people can't be permitted to have whatever world views they want, so long as it is understood the rest of the planet doesn't have to bow to it.

[–]TankorSmash 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

That is ridiculous. That means that you can't say 'I want all slackers gone' because it's hatespeech. You can not like a certain type of person.

[–]fche 58ポイント59ポイント  (11子コメント)

So the CEO wants the commenter gone, and will breathe a sigh of relief.

CEO, heal thyself.

[–]spock_block 6ポイント7ポイント  (5子コメント)

No the CEO wants that person gone because they overstepped a line and probably made a portion of the co-workers feel unwelcome at their company. There is no mention of any sighs of relief on the CEO's part.

Hate speech is not only about a certain race, it's about all derogatory statements aimed at a group of people. Some are specifically forbidden under law, but if your best defense is "it's not technically hate speech", then the CEO is probably right in firing you.

I for one will be glad when all the men's rights neckbeards are gone from the tech industry, and we can all breathe a sigh of relief.

[–]the_blur 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

"it's not technically hate speech"

You can say this about literally anything and it holds water and is technically your best defense.

'Thing X is not technically thing Y' IS a valid argument when you're saying thing X is thing Y.

Saying 'wrestling fans are idiots and I'll be glad when they're gone' is NOT hate speech. Like Blue Hair Feminism, Wrestling is a life choice you make, not an immutable characteristic you have as a person. So by that litmus test, we can replace 'feminists' and 'wrestling' fans with all sorts of different things people choose to do, call them poopy and it still is not hate speech.

[–]IHaveHugeNick 39ポイント40ポイント  (36子コメント)

If they will, its because you're not making any sense.

Saying that people you believe to be batshit crazy don't belong in your workplace, isn't hate speech. Its common sense.

Not only what he said isn't legitimate grounds for termination that would hold in any court of law, it does a terrible disservice to people who actually are suffering from hate speech.

[–]HodortheGreat 31ポイント32ポイント  (3子コメント)

Holy fuck... Okay, listen:

The guy who got Downvoted for clarifying was clarifying the poster who said that the description of feminists as blue haired something is not hate speech. The guy said that that was not what the CEO had considered the hate speech.

And reddit Downvotes a person for clarifying things. Instead of taking the topic up for discussion you downvote? Pathetic.

Hypocrisy should be avoided :)

[–]STFUTheFuckUp 13ポイント14ポイント  (30子コメント)

What do you mean I'm not making any sense? I was clarifying that the "blue-haired nose-pierced asshole feminists" thing wasn't what the CEO was referring to when he classified it as hate speech. He said it was when people say that someone's kind doesn't belong here. It's right in the fucking article, but I'll paste it here so you can read it. It's a really simple statement.

"When I talk about crossing the line from criticism to hate speech, I'm talking about when you start saying 'someone's kind doesn't belong here, and we'll all be happy when they're gone.'"

[–]eDgEIN708 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

"Blue-haired nose-pierced asshole baby murderers don't belong here."

Hate speech or no?

[–]IHaveHugeNick 23ポイント24ポイント  (4子コメント)

And what "kind" of people is original post refering to?

The kind that's a nightmare to work with.

That's not hate speech. That's brave speech.

[–]trezor2 16ポイント17ポイント  (1子コメント)

blue-haired nose-pierced asshole feminists

Is this really hate speech?

According to those who want to censor and control the internet, obviously.

[–]MasZakrY 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

"When she and the rest of her blue-haired nose-pierced asshole feminists are gone, the tech industry will breathe a sigh of relief."

People need to lighten up and just get along with one another. If you are forced to work alongside someone who has a chip on their shoulder and treats you negatively because you don't buy into the feminist movement, it would lead to a hostile environment. A workplace should be completely neutral ground and having a firecracker destabilize office politics is something nobody is going to willingly buy into.

Obviously calling someone blue-haired and nose-pierced is not hateful. 'Asshole' is subjective but from what I can gather, it seems 'many' felt this way about her (a mean comment without doubt but not 'hate' speech). She was a known outspoken feminist.

I've known people like this, textbook feminist, who feels the world is against them and completely ignorant to how many more rights women have in this country vs men. Instead of target the rights of women in countries who actually are oppressed, it is all too easy to play the victim, throw your weight around and make everything about themselves... and help none.

[–]iJustmadethis2upvote 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's like saying "when she and the rest of her skin headed tattooed up neo-nazis are gone, the Jewish community will sigh a breath of relief" is hate speech. The problem isn't with gender, bald heads and tattoos, obviously. Just like the problem isn't her gender, blue hair or nose ring. Obviously.

[–]Neo_Techni 110ポイント111ポイント  (18子コメント)

Welcome to gamergate. When we're all a member of a hategroup, none of us will be

[–]Lord_Cthulhu 59ポイント60ポイント  (15子コメント)

You're not wrong, hell users are being banned on multiple subs just for posting to /r/kotakuinaction anymore. An admin was even banned just for posting there addressing brigade subs earlier today.

[–]Steven__hawking 20ポイント21ポイント  (2子コメント)

Any sub that would ban me for expressing an opinion contrary to the mods is not a community is want to be a part of

[–]cjackc 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

You don't even need to say anything contrary. People have been banned for making fun of Hitler. It is just the act of posting in the subreddit.

[–]skivian 19ポイント20ポイント  (3子コメント)

An admin was even banned just for posting there addressing brigade subs earlier today.

Does that even accomplish anything?

Besides potentially annoying the admins.

[–]AntonioOfVenice 18ポイント19ポイント  (0子コメント)

The banned admin said that it doesn't, and that it's more of a symbolic thing.,

[–]Lord_Cthulhu 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

No, admins are able to circumvent it.

[–]Vayate 18ポイント19ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's okay bro, they're just being intolerant of intolerance, it's perfectly legit and not censorship at all. /s

[–]engineertime 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

One of the previous CEOs was fired because he didn't agree with gay marriage and voted against it. Of course they replaced him with someone who is all equality to an extreme. It's better this way. /s

Edit: Didn't vote. Supported prop 8.

[–]IBiteYou 47ポイント48ポイント  (7子コメント)

Ooooooor....maybe you should have ignored them and you would not have a major story on your hands about how you want to censor your employees.

[–]themangodess 34ポイント35ポイント  (4子コメント)

I'm glad he made a big deal. If she didn't, maybe he'd be firing people left and right for this and nobody would know about it. More idiots should do this.

[–]IBiteYou 9ポイント10ポイント  (3子コメント)

My point is that from a PR perspective, this was a bad move because it is only going to attract attention.

[–]cycophuk 11ポイント12ポイント  (2子コメント)

It's awesome that the CEO accuses /u/aoiyama of hate speech, but doesn't say anything about the amount of shit Christie talked on Twitter while still employed with the company. Pretty sure both are just as unprofessional, but the CEO is being sexist by only targeting one of them.

[–]Byrnhildr_Sedai 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

She actually bashed Mozilla, wow.

[–]cycophuk 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

After reading all the shit she talked, I can't help but side with /u/aoiyama. She provides the proof to back up what he said about her.

[–]igrowheathens 23ポイント24ポイント  (0子コメント)

This whole thing has a middle school feel to it. I'm telling the teacher!

[–]Mrcheez211 27ポイント28ポイント  (0子コメント)

lol lack of "diversity"

[–]vasharpshooter 31ポイント32ポイント  (10子コメント)

Condemns the poster and proves them fight in one rant. We all have worked with assholes like the blue haired bitch and were glad to be rid of them.

[–]woohooguy 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

If there is so much unrest within Mozilla, why hasn't the project been forked by the top developers, like what happened to OpenOffice / Libre Office?

[–]idylre 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

I don't see how the opinion of someone posting anonymously online affects their ability to create software.

[–]StruckingFuggle 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well in a roundabout way the attitudes of this quasianon rando reinforce attitudes that undermine the company.

But really, it isn't about the ability to create software, its about corporate culture and about PR.

[–]trollbyprofession 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think pointing out 'blue-haired, nose-pierced' was discriminatory, otherwise there are plenty of 'asshole feminists' around; it's just that you can't identify them purely based on appearance.

[–]capnuck 19ポイント20ポイント  (1子コメント)

"... trigger Beard ..."

You heard it here first folks... The new name for techie white knight male feminist issssss: triggerbeard!

[–]Cyralea 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

She was batshit insane and permanently offended at everything

Could be the textbook definition of SJW. They want the world to be padded instead of growing a thick skin. They can't have anything hurt their delicate feelings.

[–]Fucanelli 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

Does nobody believe in free speech anymore?

[–]gbiota1 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

What if it was a woman who made the comments?

[–]Synec113 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

If it was a woman that made the comments and that comes out then no one will give a shit anymore. Everyone will just assume she was being catty.

[–]praisezommoros 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

yeah, this isn't hate speech.

[–]penguished 25ポイント26ポイント  (20子コメント)

Everyone's naturally sensitive but that doesn't mean people not liking you is "hate speech."

That shit wouldn't stand up in any court of law, ever.

[–]HaberdasherA 21ポイント22ポイント  (3子コメント)

Isn't some guy in Canada getting sued for disagreeing with feminists on twitter?

[–]Sirinon 28ポイント29ポイント  (6子コメント)

there is a man facing 6 months prison for disagreeing with a feminist on twitter.

[–]NutsEverywhere 9ポイント10ポイント  (3子コメント)

Got a source for that? Never heard of it.

EDIT: Thanks for the replies. I'm surprised no one has pasted a LMGTFY link yet.

[–]justsyr 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

facing 6 months prison for disagreeing with a feminist on twitter

Selected + copied + pasted on google = result

[–]Honeycone 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Google "canada man twitter feminist"

[–]Left4Troll 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Huh, I hadn't heard anything about this in a while so I looked it up again. Found the name of the main SJW responsible, her twitter is locked but I looked at her 'consulting' site and found this gem:

"Her favourite type of consulting work is creating educational resources, which she has done for organizations including Mozilla..."

Coincidence? (not naming names, who knows what this gentle snowflake considers harassment...)

For the sake of true justice, this guy had better be found innocent and then sue this piece of work for all she is worth (he lost his job because of the charges). These people are becoming just as much of a threat as the hardcore christian right.

[–]snigwich 10ポイント11ポイント  (8子コメント)

In the US. In the UK, Europe, and Canada you can serve jail time.

[–]Monomorphic 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hate speech is specifically protected by the U.S. Constitution.

[–]t0b4cc02 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

pretty sure no one can jail me for this.

fellow eu citicen

[–]Honeycone 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

This isn't hate speech but I truly understand the CEOs desire to not accept these kind of words since it could cause some issues within the company.

[–]roflocalypselol 14ポイント15ポイント  (2子コメント)

Won't tolerate discomfort

Well there you have it. Thought police in action.

[–]jdmgto 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Having read the comments in question... hate speech? Really? At worst he lumped hair dye and piercings in with feminism and I'm pretty sure being a feminist isn't a protected class. The guy's allowed to dislike her politics.

[–]potato0 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

It was that remark that appeared to trigger Beard's warning today.

I don't think that phrasing was accidental.

[–]Stopwatch_ 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

How is this hate speech? Since when are feminists a protected class? With this statement Mozilla has essentially confirmed that they think people shouldn't be judged on their beliefs... except when they don't like those beliefs.

[–]Laundrymango 13ポイント14ポイント  (2子コメント)

I work for Mozilla and our CEO eats babies and we all worship Hitler. Cig Hail.

[–]Tastygroove 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

He said blue haired, nose pierced feminists... He didn't say women... He didn't even say feminist... He was fairly specific. Doesn't seem like a racial or gender stereotype.

I'm pretty sure genuine feminists would agree that the specific brand of wanna-be, loud-mouthed, Il-informed tumblrina type feminists are setting the movement back and creating a "guilt by association" in the minds of those who backlash against their ignorance.

[–]webauteur 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes, we need batshit insane employees for diversity in the workplace. My company has hired many batshit insane people in order to benefit from their batshit insane perspective. We usually try to move them into management where batshit insane decisions are expected. Don't discriminate against the mentally ill!

[–]Elranzer 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's painful watching the slow death of Mozilla.

It's nostalgic of the pain of watching the slow death of Netscape.

[–]ByeFoxHelloVivaldi 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Time to dump that bigot fascist browser company. Luckily there is Vivaldi, Pale Moon, Seamonkey, Otter Browser, Qupzilla, Midori, Edge, Slimjet and similar available! Fuck Mozilla!

Fuck you political correct and Christians hating and traditional marriage hating bastards!

Sorry for that harsh reply, but i am SO tired of people who think they can tell me what is the right way to think, the right way to speak!

I have nothing against gays and feminists, and i am no foreigners hater - as long as they behave themselves in a appropriate way, like it is expected and demanded from the "normal citizen"! What i DO HATE: i hate it that political correct SJW zealots think their opinion is "holier than mine"!

Seriously.. Fuck this!

We should finally start to vote with our feet, drop official Firefox! Send Mozilla into SJW hell where they belong - they should be forgotten and burn to the ground!

[–]lorddarkflare 12ポイント13ポイント  (2子コメント)

Not sure why so many people seem to be getting caught in the technicalities the words such as 'hate speech.'

Seems to be a nitpicky thing to focus on. At the end of the day, the point was very clear: this employee said a shitty thing in a shitty way and dragged the companies name into it.

Makes perfect sense that the company would want to nip it in the bud.

I think that the counter-outrage culture is often just as toxic as said outrage culture can be. It is funny that so many are blinded to what they have allowed themselves to be.

[–]poundfoolishhh 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think if the CEO was actually honest and said "listen, we don't want to open ourselves up to hostile work environment lawsuits, rock the boat with our shareholders, or have our insider dirty laundry made public, so we're going to fire this person", I don't think it'd be a problem - AT ALL.

I think the biggest problem here is labeling it hate speech. When you call this hate speech, you really water down what hate speech actually is. It's perfectly fitting, though, that the user is calling out the perpetually offended social justice mentality and the CEO responds with the perpetually offended social justice mentality. Company culture set from the top, maybe?

[–]B0NERSTORM 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

Uh, am I the only one that thought it was going to be worse? That didn't seem that bad. I mean it wasn't great but to get your CEO involved?

[–]cranktheguy 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

"Someone said something about Firefox on a Youtube comment. Quick, call a company wide meeting so we can discuss this!"

[–]ShuttleXpC 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wow this really got the wrong reply from people. I'm just going to get rid of the browser now, not getting tied up in all this affirmative action bullshit. Hire someone who is good at their job, not because they have a face you think will make your company look good. I have literally never looked at a company and said...."you know, their hiring of a twice gender changed man woman really has opened my eyes to what a great company Mozilla is"

[–]ZimbaZumba 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Chris Beard seems to forget he is a CEO and not a Commissar.

[–]kaesylvri 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wow, the definition of hate speech sure as hell got more broad in these last few years.

[–]BoxworthNCSU 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm all for rooting hate speech out of the workplace, but this is ridiculous. This is the problem with taking action based on offensive speech: who do you trust to define it?

Not this guy!

[–]jwyche005 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

"Hate speech"

[–]its_never_lupus 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

"02 The Internet is a global public resource that must remain open and accessible."

"04 Individuals’ security and privacy on the Internet are fundamental and must not be treated as optional."

from https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/about/manifesto