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[–]aaronsherman 2ポイント3ポイント  (11子コメント)

The line of reasoning here seems to be:

  1. James was a Freemason (true, almost certainly)
  2. James commissioned the creation of a translation of the Bible which now bears his name.
  3. ...
  4. Satanism.

What?

Even though he was probably a Brother, I have significant concerns about James (his vigorous pursuit of finding and prosecuting "witches," for example) but I can't think of any way in which I'd associate him with anything even remotely like satanism (in fact, there really wasn't a unified thing that could be called satanism for about 200 years after his death during the 19th century).

Satanism (whose aim is to sow chaos, self interest and harm) is fundamentally incompatible with Freemasonry (whose aim is to make good men better through a system of moral allegory and symbolism).

[–]th3h0lytr1n1ty 0ポイント1ポイント  (10子コメント)

The people who edited the bible were almost exclusively Masons/Rosicrucians. The entire English translation of the Bible is the brain child of Masonry. Modern Christianity as we know it has been shaped by a Masonic viewpoint for almost 500 years. That's significant when you consider how few people that edited the KJV understood Hebrew or Aramaic.

[–]aaronsherman 2ポイント3ポイント  (9子コメント)

The people who edited the bible were almost exclusively Masons/Rosicrucians.

Do you have a source for this other than YouTube videos of the above text laid over random symbolism?

The entire English translation of the Bible is the brain child of Masonry.

Ditto.

Modern Christianity as we know it has been shaped by a Masonic viewpoint for almost 500 years.

Ditto.

That's significant when you consider how few people that edited the KJV understood Hebrew or Aramaic.

Ditto.

So, are you just making this up as you go along, or are you reading from someone else's making it up as they went along?

[–]th3h0lytr1n1ty -1ポイント0ポイント  (8子コメント)

Go LOOK IT UP, you will learn something if You have a little faith in someone. Im not your teacher nor am i responsible for your education. Be a big boy and go look up; Sir Francis Bacon KJV bible edits...

[–]aaronsherman 2ポイント3ポイント  (7子コメント)

Go LOOK IT UP

Sure... in what book published by what reputable academic publisher? A publication in a history journal would be great. Obviously you know which sources to read, since they're where you learned this important information. I just want to go read them for myself.

you will learn something if You have a little faith in someone

Such faith in others is earned. After the first few examples of important historical insights that you come up with are confirmed, I'll probably be more likely to view your statements with less initial skepticism.

Im not your teacher...

You don't want to teach, you just want to ... what? Preach? You posted some seriously controversial claims about alternative views of history. I have no problem with that. I just want to see your work is all.

[–]th3h0lytr1n1ty 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

Bye bye now :)

[–]aaronsherman 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

So you have no sources, I take it. Right, got it.

[–]th3h0lytr1n1ty 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

No, sir Francis bacon edited the King James Bible and was a Rosicrucian. Any fucking idiot whose studied him for a modicum of time knows this.

[–]aaronsherman 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

I know that lots of conspiracy theorists like to make this assertion. I know that he associated in circles that included members of various fringe philosophical traditions, but was he a Rosicrucian? Probably not. At least that's the conclusion that I'm aware of the consensus of historians coming to... are you aware of a different conclusion, and if so, do you have a source for it?

That's the key problem, here, is conspiracy theory has become a source-free echo chamber of supposition and "plausible enough" sounding ideas.

Now, what I do know is that neither Rosicrucians nor Freemasons are satanists, nor are they directly related to each other (though certainly one could make the claim that they come out of the same Enlightenment-era philosophical themes which in turn were largely influenced by the late-middle-ages Catholic scholars and the ancient Greek philosophers).

My sources for this are: Grand Lodge of British Columbia & Yukon: Anti-Masonry Frequently Asked Questions: 4. Isn't Freemasonry the same as Rosicrucianism? which, in turn, cites History Of Freemasonry by Albert Mackey which is, I'll admit, a bit inside baseball, but when you're talking about the history of Freemasonry and other Fraternal organizations, the mainstream historical interest tends to have been quite low, although that's been changing for the better in the past decade or so, and we're starting to see some excellent mainstream, non-Masonic histories of fraternal organizations going back to the Enlightenment. I'm really pleased about that, because I do fear that we're too echo-chambery (even though research societies like AQC are extremely well respected for non-academic historians).

[–]th3h0lytr1n1ty 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

You see i don't have to do any of that because im not speaking at a university. This is not a scientific debate i don't have to submit peer reviewed anything. Your virulent appeal to authority is indicative of your frat brain washing you've recieved

[–]dwarfythegnome [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

his is not a scientific debate i don't have to submit peer reviewed anything.

no but it is considered standard when discussing something to show where your knowledge originated from when requested.

[–]badcopnodonut2point0 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The Templar bible.

[–]Dessamba -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Religion... bullshit? whaaaaat

[–]bigpau -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Religion?/ A "Version" of the Bible To teach Me the way To Believe in Pie in the Sky And seek it through strong Faith.