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[–]kaalaaaa 884ポイント885ポイント  (99子コメント)

It's not even hypocrisy, gawker's bussiness model is manufactured outrage.

[–]sleepy55 143ポイント144ポイント  (27子コメント)

God help you if you get your news from any site in the Gawker network. I think at that point even /r/news would be an upgrade.

You're right though, they know rage sells so they try to make you mad to get clicks.

[–]PowerStarterYour now breeding manualy 42ポイント43ポイント  (10子コメント)

But Jalopnik is a nice place...

[–]brolix 18ポイント19ポイント  (0子コメント)

Diamond in the very very very very VERY rough.

[–]FluxComplex 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

and io9!

[–]Skipione 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

io9 has something decent every once in a while, but not enough to visit regularly, mostly it's garbage.

[–]shift4338 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah thats the only site in the gawker network I regularly visit.

[–]ILikeSugarCookies 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't mind Deadspin either. They tend to call out sports bullshit without fear of backlash.

[–]ArcticKid 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

Jalopnik is amazing. Best/funniest group of writers out there. Io9 is alright too content wise, but i dont care for the editors. I really wish Jalopnik wasnt apart of Gawker.

[–]ILikeSugarCookies 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

was apart* or wasn't a part*

[–]ewic 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Maybe it's because their focus on sci-fi/nerd culture is less rife with scandal then, say, celebrity drama?

[–]BenKen01 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Really? I find them to be just as bad (in the same way) as the rest of Gawker. Opposite-lock stuff is ok sometimes, but the actual paid staff are a bunch of click-baiting hacks, imo.

[–]brs677 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Didnt even realize it was owned by gawker

[–]Iamessar 3ポイント4ポイント  (13子コメント)

Wait what's so wrong with r/news?

[–]lecherous_hump 17ポイント18ポイント  (2子コメント)

The mods delete stories arbitrarily, for one. I didn't know about the Ashley Madison hack for 16 hours after the story broke because the mods were deleting stories about it. I was pretty pissed, because that was juicy and Reddit is where I get my news. I think I finally found out about it from an Advice Animal.

[–]Iamessar 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

LOL finding news from advice animals memes. Why would they want to conceal news about such a hack though?

[–]lecherous_hump 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I have no idea, but they did. It wasn't until later in the day, like I said 16 hours after the story originally broke, that they started letting posts through.

[–]DrobUWP 20ポイント21ポイント  (8子コメント)

(Like many subs) it's an echo chamber of people shouting one side of issues. comments and posts breaking the Circlejerk are quickly relegated to downvoted obscurity. showing holes in the narrative through presenting alternate sources is not welcome.

90% of stories is a repeat of some variation of:

  • anti cop. there are no good ones. every police officer should be put down.

or

  • anti large company. profits are evil.

[–]palsc5 12ポイント13ポイント  (2子コメント)

What? You think anti-cop and anti-business stories make up 90%?

Together they make about 50%ish. Bernie Sanders is a god posts make up the rest.

[–]yabbadabbadoo1 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

To be fair, before Sanders graced us with his presence I'm pretty sure that 90% was pretty accurate.

[–]parrotsnest 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Bernie Sanders is the "it" guy I'm supposed to vote for, right?

[–]BenjaminTalam 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

If you only look at the top comment thread and check out the hot links of the day you do get a decent enough look at what big events are currently going on though.

[–]Cpr196 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's usually anti-cop, unless it's a big news story about a cop and race, then things get really racist.

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    [–]doctorsawbones 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Random banning, floods of reposts, and mods banning certain topics for seemingly no reason like the TPP. They removed anything related to tha

    [–]killjoie 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    What if I browse both Reddit and Gawker

    What if

    What if

    I have them both open in tabs at the same time

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      [–]awFirestarter 115ポイント116ポイント  (62子コメント)

      Why Gawker is so Awful

      [–]snoharm 76ポイント77ポイント  (49子コメント)

      I was super interested, but I don't have 40 minutes to watch moral outrage in the middle of the day. Anyone got a more concise video?

      Edit: or an article, it might go faster if I don't just have someone read for me

      [–]HealingCare 43ポイント44ポイント  (32子コメント)

      Just remember these 2 words:

      FUCK KOTAKU

      [–]the_recluse 20ポイント21ポイント  (31子コメント)

      what does kotaku do? i've read articles there every now and then that seemed decent, but i dunno enough about them

      [–]iamtheyeti311 25ポイント26ポイント  (11子コメント)

      Pretty much the whole reason for the gamergate backlash. /r/kotakuinaction

      [–]TheWatersOfMars 8ポイント9ポイント  (3子コメント)

      I bet this comment section's gonna be filled with thoughtful, insightful commentary on feminism and the gaming industry.

      [–]bereblanc 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Yeah for sure, and I bet we won't see any straw man arguments pushing an emotionally charged narrative either! /s

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          [–]lordofallshit 14ポイント15ポイント  (18子コメント)

          kotaku is cool if you wanna read about gaming though the critical lense of intersectional feminism. if u want to hear more about a game's trans-inclusitity and less about gameplay, then kotaku is the place for you. if you play GTA and are outraged at the fact you can also harm female NPCs, you'll love Kotaku. If you believe the lead character from Unchartered is a white, cishet, colonialist, racist, shitlord male and should be replaced by a genderqueer, homosexual, trans-african, otherkin penguin..... then Kotaku is where u should get your gaming news. if you are worried that playing mario bros reinforces harmful sexist tropes and causes women to wear pink and hide in castles instead of trying to become the CEO of a company, Kotaku should be your browser's homepage.

          [–]Caprious 5ポイント6ポイント  (11子コメント)

          Wait...did someone really get mad about being able to kill female NPCs in GTA?

          [–]lordofallshit 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

          yep, google australia target ban

          [–]serke 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

          Not really. It's usually the fact that there's only female prostitutes. (Whose services you can buy, and then kill them and get your money back.)

          [–]Caprious 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Good thing is just a bunch of 1s and 0s and not a real person then, huh?

          And what of the hundreds of men I've ran over, shot, eviscerated, or kill in some other fashion?

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            [–]d_theratqueen 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

            This entire comment is made of straw(man).

            [–]TheKingHippo 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            I'm not sure I've ever seen discussion on any half-way serious topic on the internet that wasn't. :/

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              [–]Benvincible 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Kotaku's just... fun, too. Like their Weekly Highlight video series.

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                [–]SoldierOf4Chan 6ポイント7ポイント  (4子コメント)

                Do you have five minutes?

                [–]Im_a_wet_towel 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Jesus, she acts like she's in middle school.

                [–]snoharm 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                Heh, this I've seen. Just wanted to hear more about the general nastiness of the site. Obviously Gawker Stalker was insane.

                [–]zombie_jizz 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                The main purpose of gawker is to get as much page views as possible to make ad revenue. Notice how its called gawker? They don't want you to stop and think, they want you to gawk.

                [–]iamtheyeti311 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                for later

                [–]sample_material 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                I was super interested, but I don't have 40 minutes

                http://i.imgur.com/ZnbxI1H.png

                Speed that shit up!

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                  [–]TheRighteousTyrant 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

                  BuzzFeed (owned by Gawker)

                  Pretty sure it isn't.

                  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BuzzFeed

                  [–]Arctic_Fax 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Nothing basically, just standard loose morals journalism.

                  [–]Trazac 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  It's actually only about thirty minutes long (the last ten or so minutes is an extended clip after some black). At 2x speed you can watch it in 15 minutes!

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                    [–]iamtheyeti311 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    for later

                    [–]slacker87 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                    That is a decent clip, but my god that guy speaks slowly.

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                      [–]MERGINGBUD 11ポイント12ポイント  (1子コメント)

                      http://40.media.tumblr.com/bf110153b1cdbabd705e52f087809870/tumblr_ms68dpDp6g1s71q1zo1_1280.png

                      [–]Klimzel 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      This could either be someone laying bare gawker's game or a gawker employee ass-patting her company for its efficient business model.

                      [–]beericane 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      This is almost all online-based news these days.

                      Check out the book "Trust Me, I'm Lying" by Ryan Holliday if you have the time - a fascinating look at what goes on behind closed doors at these kinds of sites from someone who actually manipulates them to his own advantage.

                      In short:

                      • Writers for top sites are paid by eyeballs to their content. With hundreds or thousands of news outlets fighting for every little story they can find, only the most ridiculous, emotion-inducing (fear, rage, etc...) stories win. Facts and sources don't even really matter.

                      There's a lot more behind it, especially on the manipulation side, but that's the general gist.

                      One of the silliest parts of the manipulation side is the idea of "tiered" news sources and baiting the bottom to get to the top. Basically the lower-eyeball, hungrier, desperate sites will print just about anything you tell them without looking into much - because they have to, especially if it's an exclusive. They are desperate and just need new shit. Mid-level sites "hunt and gather" from these seed sites to find interesting, unique stories. They don't look into the sources because they assume that the previous source did. Then the dogs (even the 'highly respected ones') will feed from the mid level guys using the same assumption that the legwork on proper sourcing has been done. And this is how a lot of news manipulators get 100% false, or ridiculous, or whatever stories into top news agencies - they poison the bottom with the right kind of angle that interests the top and it just "trades up" until it's news.

                      [–]kinnaq 8ポイント9ポイント  (2子コメント)

                      Had to read this three times. /r/mildlyinfuriating

                      Please, for the love of dog, punctuate.

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                        [–]ligerzero459 197ポイント198ポイント  (15子コメント)

                        It's Gawker. Best to shrug, ignore them and move on. They're not a real news group anyway.

                        [–]shoziku 41ポイント42ポイント  (7子コメント)

                        No such thing as real news anyway, it's all garbage and lies. Unless it's a friend saying, "Dude, guess what YOU did last night".

                        [–]capitalDOOM 35ポイント36ポイント  (3子コメント)

                        Dude, guess what YOU did last night

                        This is always my least favorite news.

                        [–]Skari7 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

                        Mine too. If I don't remember it happening, then it NEVER happened, the way it should be.

                        [–]capitalDOOM 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

                        It's the shittiest feeling having to call up a friend like, "Hey, Christine, I'm so sorry about Friday night. Its just.. Uh.. I wasn't there?"

                        [–]Skari7 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        Try this next time "Hey, Christine, about Friday night... hey did you ever see that movie 'Invasion of the Body Snatchers?' well..."

                        or

                        "Hey, Christine, I think it's time I finally told you about my evil alcoholic twin"

                        [–]ligerzero459 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        Point of the day right here. Mainstream media is useless

                        [–]JeannotVD 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        "You won't believe this 10 things you did last night. Number 7 will shock you."

                        [–]EverVigilant 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        IIRC it was generally agreed that this was news.

                        [–]turbodan1 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                        When you say Gawker, most people know it's manufactured crap. When you say Jezebel, Kotaku, or Gizmodo, most people don't know you're talking about identical, manufactured crap.

                        [–]ligerzero459 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        Lol I guess I should've said "Gawker Media"

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                          [–]piss_sprinkled_tits[S] 1004ポイント1005ポイント  (145子コメント)

                          Because if men's nudes get leaked it's fucking hilarious but when women's nudes get leaked it's a crime againt humanity.

                          [–]carrayhayBLUE 276ポイント277ポイント  (13子コメント)

                          Also the aspect of Hulk's being filed under Hulk Hogan and J-Law being filed under Nudes

                          [–]kymmiijii 201ポイント202ポイント  (12子コメント)

                          The first Hulk Hogan image was filed under "NSFW" and the second under "Hulk Hogan."

                          The first Jennifer Lawrence image was filed under "Jennifer Lawrence" and the second under "Nudes."

                          Their inconsistencies in filing appear to be laziness, not hypocrisy.

                          [–]JustAlexander 41ポイント42ポイント  (9子コメント)

                          Or sensational "journalism" at its finest.

                          [–]EternalOptimist829 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (8子コメント)

                          Don't blame the writers, blame the people who make the web pages view count go up. They're only offering a product for a certain demographic audience that as far as they can see is creating a lot of buzz and getting people interested.

                          [–]moonunit99 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Or we could blame both: the writers for generating the shit content and the readers for creating and sustaining the demand. I'm sure we've all got enough hate and vitriol to spread around.

                          [–]iUsedtoHadHerpes 6ポイント7ポイント  (3子コメント)

                          I'm not sure why people have a problem with this comment. Maybe because it's the truth? If Gawker didn't do this, someone else would fill the void, and it would just be someone else making money off the people who live for that sort of thing.

                          [–]EternalOptimist829 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          People just don't want to take responsibility for their actions. It sounds rude to say it that way but it shouldn't cause it's more about being overstressed and overworked than it is about being lazy or dumb. It's human nature, and everyone does it (I'm by no means immune to it or anything) They want to watch football and give the NFL money with tickets and merchandise yet blame Gooddell when the players on the field get injured or start beating their wives. They want Twitter updates seconds after breaking news, but it pisses them off when those same sources turn out to be wrong or sensationalized. They want Reddit to be free then complain when Reddit tries to implement ads to make money. They want to go to Chick-Fil-A but they don't want to contribute funds to anti-gay politics.

                          These are all examples of the same principle. It's hypocrisy in one way but everyone does it. I mean I still eat meat but I don't want to know how it gets to my plate. I'll get drunk but not think that I'm damaging my liver as I do it. I just want to enjoy my meal and beer without thinking about it.

                          I guess if I had to say it's anything it's that people don't like it when you fuck with their guilty pleasures. Like all these people want to do is read an article without feeling like they are subversively promoting someone else's hidden agenda.

                          As far as me I just want a really good chicken sandwich but now I can't enjoy that chick-fil-a sandwich without thinking about how I'm making that bigoted owner more money if I do (and sometimes like a total hypocrite, I still eat there)

                          [–]LivingUnderSomeRock 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Seriously TMZ are like parasites, but it's the people watching/reading their garbage that keep them in business.

                          [–]hackl 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Does that mean Gawker should be immune from criticism then? If someone else did this, then it would them getting the criticism instead. I think it is ok to point out hypocrisy, whatever the source.

                          [–]FrogWizard 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

                          Don't blame criminals, blame society for making them want the things they rob and kill for. /s

                          Shut. The fuck. Up.

                          [–]EternalOptimist829 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                          That's actually what I believe, minus the /s I'm going to guess you didn't grow up in a very criminal neighborhood but as an example most of the people I've seen who are okay with stealing shit got that taught to them by their mom or dad when they were kids. Most of the people who do drugs for the first time get the idea from somewhere outside of themeselves. Aside from sociopaths and other mentally ill people, that is.

                          I mean society is everything we aren't. There's the inside of our head, and there's society. So if we didn't come up with it on our own, who did?

                          [–]FrogWizard 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          I grew up in Memphis proper. At the end of the day, you control the decisions that you make.

                          [–]Zifnab25 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

                          Might have something to do with Hogan's video being infidelity released (supposedly) by the woman's husband while Lawrence's pictures being the result of phone theft.

                          Hulk's take-down notice was in the midst of a divorce, which he insisted he had no involvement in despite all evidence to the contrary. TheFappening was just naked pictures, not a big legal kurfuffle cover-up.

                          [–]BathedInDeepFog 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Which inadvertently cost Hogan his cushy gig.

                          [–]Snoozeybutton 101ポイント102ポイント  (29子コメント)

                          The grand majority of people did not think leaking women's nudes was a crime against humanity. Whereas most people don't give a shit about the Hulk Hogan tape.

                          You don't see people circulating the Hogan tape, nor do you see anyone defending -- really the only people who think about it at all are people using it as evidence that men's bodies are unfairly exploited compared to women's. Meanwhile, when Jennifer Lawrence's nudes were leaked, huge subreddits were circulating them, everyone was talking about them, and the prevailing opinion was that she had no right to be upset and that it was her fault.

                          You'd be hard pressed to find someone jerking it to Hulk Hogan's sex tape. His was also released by someone who hated him in an effort to slander him -- which didn't really work because no one gives a shit -- whereas Jennifer Lawrence's were released by popular demand.

                          [–]teleekom 122ポイント123ポイント  (4子コメント)

                          While this is all true, this behavior is still hypocritical. The editor can eat a bucket of bees for the "We won't take it down" line alone.

                          [–]-_God_- 23ポイント24ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          True. I think the above post was just trying to point out a realization that not a lot of people would have about this situation.

                          It's always nice to get a little perspective.

                          [–]Zifnab25 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

                          But then we're just in a turn-about-is-fair-play circlejerk.

                          If Gawker is terrible for circulating Hogan, is Reddit terrible for TheFappening? Or are both Gawker and Reddit in the right to leak these images? Because if Gawker is terrible, but Reddit is righteous, then you're engaging in the same contradiction as Gawker.

                          At the end of the day, I don't see anyone pointing to the Hogan video and saying, "Holy shit, what we did to Jennifer Lawrence was terrible and I regret ever doing it." I just see people announcing "Gawker is run by hypocrites, so points for team Fap!"

                          [–]Snoozeybutton 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          It would be hypocritical if they had the same editorial staffs.

                          That said, Gawker is terrible. I'm not defending them. And I'm not defending the Hulk Hogan leak. But OP is ignoring the actual more common response to the Fappening, which was not outrage.

                          [–]ButtLusting 17ポイント18ポイント  (2子コメント)

                          Is that a challenge??

                          [–]Versec 39ポイント40ポイント  (3子コメント)

                          We are not discussing if one of the two things is better than the other. We are not even discussing the importance of the people involved, who leaked the pics or for what reason. We are discussing the way a sensationalistic, hypocrite, click-baity website tries to pass a violation of one's privacy as news and defence of free speech, while condemming the other. To both J. Lawrence and Hulk Hogan, their life was affectedby those events.

                          Gawker is known for outing people and calling it news:

                          http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/gawker-conde-nast-david-geithner_55a90c56e4b0c5f0322d0b2c

                          If pictures of me were leaked by someone for whatever reason, I have the same right to justice, even if it is only important to me.

                          [–]Clevername3000 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          So you're saying, 'ignore the context of the situation, ignore what they were writing about, look at the words they wrote!'

                          For one thing, Jezebel didn't write about the Hogan tapes, Gawker did. Just because Gawker owns Jezebel doesn't mean they have the same staff or guidelines.

                          [–]Snoozeybutton 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Gawker and Jezebel have different editorial staffs, so trying to make a point about their hypocrisy doesn't work. I agree that Gawker is a bunch of shit heads, but OP is trying to make a point about gender double standard that simply doesn't hold up in context.

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                            [–]DiogenesTheHound 53ポイント54ポイント  (9子コメント)

                            Ah so it's okay because Hogan is unattractive.

                            [–]Snoozeybutton 6ポイント7ポイント  (8子コメント)

                            Who said he was unattractive? And who said it was okay?

                            [–]BrocanGawd 3ポイント4ポイント  (5子コメント)

                            They are clearly downplaying Hogan being exposed vs Female Celebs.

                            [–]superwinner 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                            DiogenesTheHound did, right above your comment

                            [–]Snoozeybutton 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            Seems like a bit of a nonsequiter

                            [–]candygram4mongo 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

                            You don't see people circulating the Hogan tape,

                            You mean, other than Gawker?

                            [–]elanciano31 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            You don't see people circulating the Hogan tape

                            except a website with a massive amount of traffic. Now personally I don't think this is some conspiracy where fuckwit Gawker editors are getting together and saying "let's be asshole THIS way!" but it also isn't too much to want to hold the entirety of gawker media to a standard that you shouldn't be leaking private stuff like this, it serves absolutely no newsworthy purpose because the act of dissemination is the only thing that is news. This isn't reporting, it is manufacturing and it is gross if its jennifer lawrence or if it hulk hogan. But thats the problem with hiring a bunch of hacks who have wet dreams about being the next hunter thompson, when all they really are is a bunch of snide dickheads jus looking for a power trip.

                            [–]DoctorSteve 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

                            I guarantee if Gawker was leaked the JLo nudes they'd have a totally different take on the story.

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                              [–]superwinner 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

                              women's nudes get leaked it's a crime against humanity

                              Catering to their target market.. women. I do not know a many men who gives the much of a fuck about celebrity news of any kind.

                              [–]thilardiel 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

                              It was a big enough deal that a bunch of dudes on Reddit called it The Fappening. So...there's clearly a decent enough number of men that care, especially when there are pictures of naked women.

                              [–]superwinner 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              only when there are pictures of naked women

                              fixed it

                              [–]Wallace_Grover 12ポイント13ポイント  (12子コメント)

                              They're all by different authors?

                              [–]Orlitoq 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              Its almost like there is more than one standard to which each gets held.....

                              [–]lithedreamer 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

                              4 different people wrote these articles.

                              [–]BrocanGawd 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              So? The point is that GAWKER approved them all.

                              [–]ItsaMe_Rapio 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              Right, but that doesn't really matter in this case because it's not the writers who are deciding which material stays up on the website.

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                                [–]Anzai 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                Worse than that, only famous women's nudes getting leaked is an invasion of privacy. The nobody that Hulk Hogan was fucking doesn't even get any consideration at all. She's not even part of the equation when deciding whether to show it or not.

                                [–]ficarra1002 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                That's because women are delicate beings. /s

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                                  [–]SirCrest_YT 91ポイント92ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                  I'm eager to see "Gawker files for every form of bankruptcy and explodes"

                                  [–]newdoctah 12ポイント13ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                  If we want to see that happen we need to stop talking about Gawker to begin with

                                  [–]im_eddie_snowden 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  I'm convinced Gawkers gets a good percentage of its shares and views are by its haters. I used to like IO9 (gawkers sci fi pub) but as of late its just one over the top soapboxy outrage article about gender equality in sci fi after another.

                                  [–]terrestrialoctopus 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                  Kill it and five more will just spring up in its place.

                                  [–]kedstar99 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  It would be pretty simple to achieve if people just add gawker media to their hosts files.

                                  [–]witehare 43ポイント44ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  To be fair, they are different sites with different editorial policies and different audiences. Just because they're both owned by one business that makes money through advertising doesn't mean shit about what they'll print.

                                  [–]REDNOOK 36ポイント37ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                  Gawker also loves shitting on everything Reddit. They take jabs at it every chance they get, which is ironic considering it's their #1 source for content. Even the commenters get in on the bashing. The irony just fucking kills me.

                                  [–]12342134536 36ポイント37ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                  Not like Reddit isn't a deserving target though.

                                  [–]Flashbomb7 11ポイント12ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                  Hell, Reddit takes potshots on itself constantly. It's fun. Reddit has a lot of shit to mock.

                                  [–]po_toter 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  Like the time the guy pretended to be a girl dying of cancer for an article.

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                                    [–]comicsandpoppunkORANGE 18ポイント19ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                    Bear in mind, Jezebel advertises itself as a feminist blog and Gawker is just your stand shitty gossip site.

                                    [–]Pudgy_Ninja 307ポイント308ポイント  (37子コメント)

                                    Different writers, different editors. I mean, I know that they have the same parent company, but you're being kind of silly.

                                    This is like calling Conde Nast a hypocritical company because Wired has a different take on social media than Teen Vogue.

                                    [–]katubug 126ポイント127ポイント  (16子コメント)

                                    This was my reaction as well. However, it does highlight a double standard that's worth being angry about.

                                    My personal take is that it's because it's more "okay" for guys to be sexual and sexually active. People are more likely to assume a man will be okay with having his "virility" or ability to get laid showcased than a woman would be to have her nude body seen. This is, I think, the same social phenomenon that stigmatizes male rape victims: guys love sex, right? So he must have wanted it. Hulk Hogan was probably proud, rather than dreadfully embarrassed! It's a phenomenon that hurts both sexes, in the end.

                                    Anyway, sorry for ranting. I do agree that the point of the post is a bit of a stretch, it's just the topic it highlights that I feel strongly about.

                                    [–]VonFrig 65ポイント66ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                    You're hitting on something important here: a culture of latent sexism hurts both genders.

                                    [–]Snoozeybutton 28ポイント29ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                    I agree that sex double standards are absurd, but to claim that society was up in arms about the Fappening and that everyone took Jennifer Lawrence's side is disingenuous, especially looking at this site.

                                    The vast majority of people saw no issue with jerking it to Jennifer Lawrence's stolen pictures

                                    [–]DuckTapeHero 4ポイント5ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                    I don't think he was referring to the actual people but the way media was portraying the scandal. No one batted an eye when everyone was spreading lebrons wardrobe malfunction but Jennifer has nudes leaked and its a national scandal

                                    [–]SunriseSurprise 2ポイント3ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                    Women's nudity is valuable. Halle Berry got a mil to show her tits in Swordfish. Show me any guy getting anything remotely close to that for showing his junk. People don't really value seeing dicks.

                                    So at the most basic level, removing all the intangibles, JLaw's nudes being leaked potentially cost her a lot of money.

                                    Edit: Oops, Halle got half a mil for the nudity in Swordfish.

                                    [–]Ozlin 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                    You're right for the most part, but it's only true because of our current societal views of women's bodies being in some way different than men's, which shouldn't be the case. Women and men being naked should have equal value, both in what we're willing to pay to see and willing to defend the person's right for us not to see. We're willing to pay more to see a woman naked because we are still experiencing effects of the idea that a woman's body is in some way more virtuous and pure, thus more valuable to trade, which is fucked up. And I'm not arguing to devalue women, but to value all humans equally.

                                    [–]SunriseSurprise 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                    See this is the kind of discussion that doesn't go on enough about these things - people just removing the shit that's been embedded into us individually and society as a whole and getting an understanding of what's going on and what would be ideal. I wasn't even really trying to make a point with what I said other than to point out that there is something tangible to be spoken of with respect to women's nudity vs. men's nudity, which as you rightly point out is largely because of all the intangibles adding weight to it throughout time. Makes me wonder if there ever was a time somewhere sometime in the past when male nudity and privacy of their bodies was actually more treasured for some reason.

                                    I don't care really in a MRA sense of things like a lot of people are in this thread, just curious about it all.

                                    [–]x817 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                    "People don't value seeing dicks"

                                    News reported everywhere about Lebron James' accidently flashing his dick during game and Lenny Kravitz accidently flashing his during concert.

                                    [–]SunriseSurprise 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                    It's still controversial, but people won't pay to see it, and press wouldn't pay nearly as much to get such photos.

                                    [–]x817 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                    Don't think the media's money is what we're talking about here. More-so the fact that the media gets triggered if you want to see JLaw nude, but would gladly show you any male celebrities dick with no problem.

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                                      [–]Pudgy_Ninja 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                      Totally fair and I don't disagree. If this had just been about the double standard that's held pretty much everywhere across our society, I wouldn't have blinked. But to call out a company for having different opinions across different writers, editors and publications struck me as pretty silly.

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                                        [–]VonFrig 17ポイント18ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                        One other thing too is that Gawker DID remove the Hulk Hogan video. What they didn't take down was the post it was embedded in.

                                        [–]MonsterBlash 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                        Before or after a judge forced them to do it?

                                        [–]VonFrig 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        After. The big drama was that the judge ordered both the video and article taken down, and they elected to only take down the video.

                                        [–]pixiedonut 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        Exactly. Bill O'Reilly has somewhat a noticeably different voice than The Simpsons.

                                        [–]IIIbrohonestlyIII 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                        Don't they have an editor who okays articles, though?

                                        [–]Pudgy_Ninja 26ポイント27ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                        Sure, they both do. They aren't the same people though.

                                        Jezebel has its own editorial staff separate from Gawker.

                                        I actually double checked this before posting.

                                        http://jezebel.com/about

                                        http://gawker.com/about

                                        [–]IIIbrohonestlyIII 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                        Makes sense that they seem to have conflicting agendas then.

                                        [–]yesacabbagez 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        As a long time reader of Deadspin I can assure that there isn't really a conflicting agenda, that's just the way Gawker operates. If I am correct AJ Daulerio was the Gawker editor at the time of the Hogan shit and he had served as Deadspin editor prior to that. This is just how they operate.

                                        Michael Sam is another recent example of what they will do. When Sam was drafted late, they had multiple articles about how him being gay dropped him int he draft. When the Rams released him it was all about how he deserved to be on the team. He signed with the CFL and was finally going to get him chance to prove he could play, but once again didn't. At the end of the day what he did on the field wasn't justifying him getting more time. WHen he did walk away a couple weeks ago there was basically no mention of it on Deadspin who had been championing him. They had lost any chance of actually convincing people that he was an NFL player because in the actual game time he had, the performance wasn't there. They picked up the story entirely because he was gay and ran with it just to be the ones covering it.

                                        [–]jago81 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        I thought that as well but I am fairly certain Gawker wouldn't allow J Law's pics to be headlined "J Law's nudes leaked!!! Quick, click here to view them. They are great!!!". They still decide what's allowed to be posted and approve of these double standards. That said, the easy solution is to just not give them attention. They would implode fairly quickly. But nahhhhhhhh, we like to complain.

                                        [–]justsyr 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        Was about to comment on this.

                                        They even have their users hate each other.

                                        Before the kinja thing I got banned from Jezebel because I had a different opinion. Even some of the most know Kotaku users at that time got banned from Jalopnik and stuff like that.

                                        They do work like different "companies", at least that was years ago when I read stuff from them.

                                        [–]An_Lochlannach 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                        It's less about attacking "Gawker media" and more about attacking the mentality on show here, which is prevalent amongst many media outlets and social media types.

                                        At least that's how I believe it should be viewed, anyway.

                                        You're right though, Ricky Gervais and Donald Trump have both been employees of Rupert Murdoch media... I somehow doubt their views are consistent.

                                        [–]Random_Tangent 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        It's only about attacking Gawker media.

                                        [–]supyonamesjosh 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        And different audiences. Of course Jezebel is going to hire editors and writers that are pro women. This would only be hypocrisy if they were on the same site, not the same parent company.

                                        [–]ColdBlackCage 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                        Not surprising, people like to nail Gawker for things that don't even do (and yet, ironically cry about 'manufactured outrage'...)

                                        Gawker is a collaboration of many, many writers that all post their thoughts and finding onto the same website. Yes, contradictions exist due to this method - but that is not hypocrisy.

                                        I distain Gawker as much as the next guy, but be sure to dislike and denounce for the right reasons, people .

                                        [–]Moviecommentforyou 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        What are editors? This is why Gawker is flat out unethical and amateurish. Their various networks take no responsibility.

                                        [–]Ransal 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        It's like expecting motherjones to write about white people without being racist towards them.

                                        [–]anschelsc 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        They're not even just different editors--they pretty actively dislike each other.

                                        [–]ItsaMe_Rapio 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        But it's not the writers who are deciding what stays up on the website. If the company chose to defy orders to take down Hogan's video, and also decided not to host the JLaw pictures, that's on the company no matter who writes about it.

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                                          [–]fat_genius 54ポイント55ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                          A tabloid aimed at women takes a different view on women's privacy issues that a general audience tabloid, and they're owned by the same commercial conglomerate? Say it ain't so! What happened to the integrity of the gossip press?

                                          [–]Tiberius666 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                          For the record, Jezebel takes a cackling delight in seeing men's lives be destroyed.

                                          [–]justadirtybirdie 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          I love how you got downvoted for the truth.

                                          Jezebel also posted an article about how they like beating up their boyfriends.

                                          Of course you can't criticize feminists without their other brain-dead cultists reflexively downvoting you.

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                                            [–]Snoozeybutton 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            It shouldn't surprise anyone that Gawker is hypocritical -- they are low-grade paparazzi. If you're looking to Gawker as your moral compass, thats a you problem. It should be obvious that circulating stolen and embarrassing images of people who have no affect on you is wrong. It doesn't change the fact that tons of redditors continue to see no wrongdoing with the Fappening.

                                            To be fair, reddit is perfectly capable of hypocrisy. The same people who point out that Gawker is trash hate Jennifer Lawrence for her audacity at wanting to keep her personal pictures private.

                                            [–]krispness 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            Gawker is shit, what a surprise.

                                            [–]MachetePhil 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            Correct me if I'm wrong but I think the big difference here is that one is by Gawker, a general clickbaity article website, while the other is Jezebel a primarily feminist opinion piece website. All 4 articles were written by different authors. Maybe I'm missing something here, but I don't think it's hypocrisy for these two websites owned by the same company to have a difference in opinion toward leaked nudes. If all four articles were written by the same person, or published by the same website there might something to be upset about.

                                            [–]Waddupp 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            they were all written by different people who have different views

                                            [–]BrocanGawd 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            GAWKER also owns Kotaku and Jezebel. Both just as disgusting and hypocritical as GAWKER

                                            [–]shutdafrontdoor 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            Can we just never talk about gawker again? It might slow down some traffic from folks now looking out of curiosity.

                                            [–]sledgetooth 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            You thought these sites served any purpose aside from generating revenue? Of course they're going to appease to the views of the public whenever the timing is relevant.

                                            [–]Fantabulicious 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            Just give up on Gawker, its stuff is more fabricated than The Onion and twice as pointless.

                                            [–]PixyFreakingStix 6ポイント7ポイント  (11子コメント)

                                            But hardly anyone cared about the Hulk Hogan sex tape, and "The Fappening" was one of the biggest events on the internet that year, and one of the biggest events on the internet ever.

                                            How could you possibly want to compare the two? Had there been a reaction to Hogan like there was to Lawrence, you can bet their headlines would have been different. Or maybe if Lawrence had been a racist piece of shit.

                                            [–]Sloshy42 2ポイント3ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                            So, what makes one okay over the other is whether or not people care? That doesn't sound sketchy at all...

                                            [–]WillemDafuq_ 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                            Hulk Hogan isn't racist.

                                            [–]Sloshy42 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                            And even if he was, is that REALLY someone's justification for this? Really!? What kind of fucked up world are we living in where people actually list what amount to stupid character attacks as justification for clearly-biased, immoral, and unethical behavior? Sounds kinda extremist to me to be saying that one is better than the other because of who that person believes the people are...

                                            [–]PixyFreakingStix 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            I don't think it's justified to release Hulk Hogan's sex tapes because he's a racist. I think if J-Law's leaks hadn't turned into The Fappening, and/or if she was racist, Gawker would be taking a different line on this.

                                            The point of this is sexism, and the accusation is that Gawker is sexist for showing Hulk Hogan's sex tapes and condemning Jennifer Lawrence's. And I'm pointing out the difference in circumstances between them, saying that has something to do with it.

                                            [–]PixyFreakingStix -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            The fuck he isn't.

                                            [–]OfficerTwix[+83] 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                            Let's be honest it's Hulk Hogan vs J-law

                                            Hulk Hogan is a trashy person. If it was Bradley Cooper of course they'd act the same way they did with J-law

                                            [–]WillemDafuq_ 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                            Why is Hulk Hogan a "trashy person" ?

                                            [–]OfficerTwix[+83] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            Have you ever seen Hogan Knows Best?

                                            [–]wayward-gavabond -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            Did you not hear about the n-word dispute and accuses of racism on his part? Google 'hulk hogan racist' and you'll probably find it.

                                            [–]im_eddie_snowden 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                            IO9 Too

                                            [–]dellintelbitcoin 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            Who the hell hosts a video of someone having sex, that was recorded without his consent. Thats fucked up!

                                            [–]THE_MAN_OF_THE_YEAR 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            This isn't just mildly infuriating.

                                            [–]anon0210 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            Sauce?

                                            [–]Aqua-Tech 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            Meh. It doesn't matter. JLaw and her lawyers can send all the takedown notices they want. Those pics will never go away. They're out there forever.

                                            [–]slap_shot_12 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            Gawker accused of hypocrisy?? You won't BELIEVE what happens next!!! Click here to find out....

                                            [–]Gerden 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            This has to be the lowest tier of writing someone can do as a writer. This shit is straight up marketed and written for teenagers on tumblr. What a fucking joke.

                                            [–]VonFrig 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            After. The big drama was that the judge ordered both the video and article taken down, and they elected to only take down the video.

                                            Edit: I apparently fail at using my reddit app.

                                            [–]Terryfrankkratos 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            I remember this posted on 8chan along with some other examples, ill go see if i saved it anywhere.

                                            [–]AiwassAeon 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            To be fair one is gawker proper, the other is jezebel

                                            [–]REDDIT-IS-TRP 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            is jezebel and gawker two different site or what?

                                            [–]58king 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            They know exactly what they are doing. Look, you just advertised them!

                                            [–]TheSlimyDogBLUE 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            To be fair, reddit acted the other way around (except I didn't hear much about Hulk Hogan) so I'll give them this. It's stupid but double standards exist everywhere.

                                            [–]DragonFive 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            Gyno at its finest.

                                            FTFY

                                            [–]Daschupa 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            Man, do you remember when gawker actually stood for something and had integrity in their news? Me neither.

                                            [–]i_h8_mop 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            White knighting at its finest

                                            [–]larrylarryanddavid 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            Really assholes? None of your pious cunts downloaded nude images of Lawrence when those photos were put HERE ON REDDIT?

                                            WHOSE THE HYPOCRITE NOW?

                                            [–]Cormophyte 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            And somewhere some idiot's looking at this saying, "So?"

                                            [–]XxALTANxX 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            I wouldn't call that 'mildly' infuriating. I'd call it 'fat feminist' level infuriating.

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