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[–]-Albus- 26ポイント27ポイント  (0子コメント)

For those curious, there were five categories where no Hugo was awarded - doubling the number of "no awards" in the history of the Hugos.

[–]somuchless 20ポイント21ポイント  (23子コメント)

Putting aside all the controversy, tons more people voted this year which is a net gain for the awards.

[–]Jourdy288[S] 5ポイント6ポイント  (21子コメント)

Agreed; however this year turns out, I think because of the increased attention, next year will be better.

[–]Pkeod 9ポイント10ポイント  (20子コメント)

It's great that more people are voting. It's not great that it's evident that this has become divisively political and not about the works but about who wrote the works. I don't know about next year being better. I have a feeling that 2016 Hugo Awards will be the year that the only award will be No Award.

[–]InfamousBrad 7ポイント8ポイント  (16子コメント)

That depends. There was a mathematically derived anti-slate rules change for the nominations that was going to be brought up in the business meeting, and I haven't heard yet how that went. My guess, based on what I saw last night, is it probably went pretty well. It was hashed out over on Making Light:

If the rule passed, then what the Puppies (or any other slate) can do next year is all band together to nominate one item per category. If they try to sweep the nominations in each category, like they did this time, then none of their stuff will make it. Which means that if they, or any group, think that the problem is that their stuff isn't even being considered, it's still easy for them to nominate their best stuff, the one piece per category that the group thinks is the best. What they won't be able to do is push all of everybody else's stuff off the ballot, which is what they tried to do this year and failed hilariously.

Edited to add: Just read a comment, over on Making Light, clarifying that the Hugo rules changes don't get voted on until Sunday's business meeting, and that, even if they pass, they don't take effect until they've been ratified at next year's Worldcon in KCMO. So next year's voting will be done under the same rules as this year, so yeah, you may be right -- if the Puppies and the GamerGaters want to sweep the nominations for a second year, and there's no bigger counter-slate, then they probably can do it, one more time. In which case, yeah, expect a big sweep for No Award again.

[–]Pkeod 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thanks for the links. I think unfortunately that system change proposal is still game-able to produce an eventual sweeping No Award result. It seems to assume certain behavior that has happened before will happen again with no change - reacting to current state of behavior only. It just requires more coordination from the varying groups for groups to get what they want.

The "we could have everyone but the ballot would be very long" argument is I think bad for the digital age.

[–]IAMPOUNDCAKE -3ポイント-2ポイント  (13子コメント)

Puppies and the GamerGaters

These aren't synonymous.

[–]sotonohito 11ポイント12ポイント  (7子コメント)

For the purposes of the recent efforts to break and/or destroy the Hugos they are.

[–]IAMPOUNDCAKE 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

In what way? The only way this logic holds is if all Muslims are terrorists, or everyone who is right wing is anti woman.

[–]Pkeod 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

GamerGate is not involved with this. It happened before GG even started, and it's not a primary concern of theirs. People are talking about it, doesn't mean they are involved... yet. GG is way larger than the puppies. If GG does get involved they would be able to choose who won every year if they wanted to unless an even larger group of people opposed to them got involved, but the way it seems to me many people in GG dislike the idea of getting involved. I would rather people vote based on merit and not on the politics of authors like some people say they do. Claiming things about GG which are not true is a very effective way to get their attention. The people lying about GG will only motivate them to get involved!

For the purposes of the recent efforts to break and/or destroy the Hugos they are.

They were saying the Hugos were already broken and wanted to prove it, and were proved right according to GRRM! Their trap worked! Minorities and women were denied awards because of politics!

[–]sotonohito 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Most reports indicate that the *Puppies got sufficient numbers to cheat by enlisting gamergaters. The *Puppies tried to cheat on the 2014 Hugos and failed because they lacked the numbers to obliterate all non-Puppy approved nominees in any category.

As for involvement from the gamergaters, I'm not really quaking in my boots. It costs $50 to become involved enough to actually have any impact on the outcome of the 2016 Hugos, and by 2017 the rules will have been changed to prevent brigading the votes at which point the *Puppies/gamergaters can go piss up a rope.

But, again, reports I've seen indicate that GG, always eager to find a new thing to brigade (I suppose they were disappointed there was no doxxing to be done, but hey brigading is almost as good, right?) were successfully enlisted to give Beale the numbers his slate needed.

Since GG is known mostly for lying, doxxing, and brigading, I'm afraid I can't take your huffy denial seriously.

And yes, the nominating process was known to be exploitable, previously expectations that people wouldn't act like raging assholes and fuck the system worked, but the *Puppies/GG are experts at being raging assholes so now the rules are being changed.

But, if nothing else, the *Puppies were proven quite wrong. After all, if there had been an Evil Liberal Conspiracy working to keep conservative fiction out, it would have locked out their slate.

Next year, before the fix can be implemented, there will be an anti-Puppy slate, and I think that sucks massively. The Hugos are supposed to be where you nominate stuff you like, not vote for a slate based on politics. But the *Puppies/GG love sticking their right wing culture war shit where it isn't welcome, so now we're stuck with it. At least until 2017 when the system will be fixed and, as previously noted, GG/Puppies can go piss up a rope at that point and the Hugos can go back to being nominations for books we like.

Here's a hint: if you have to cheat to get your books nominated for an award, it probably means your books suck.

[–]Pkeod 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Most reports indicate that the *Puppies got sufficient numbers to cheat by enlisting gamergaters.

Where is the proof? I've been watching GG activity and I have not seen this. Also, cheat? What rule did the puppies cheat on? I get that doing things at as a group goes against the spirit, but they at least said they did it not to win but to expose it as being possible as they believed others were already doing it. If they wanted to win why wouldn't they have done it all covertly?

As for involvement from the gamergaters, I'm not really quaking in my boots.

It costs $50 to become involved enough

GG are largely "hyper consumers" who spend money on what they like and are happy to vote with their wallets to buy what they like or support what they see as good causes. There are tens of thousands of them on kia alone, with many more elsewhere. Give them enough reason and they will part with the money to get involved.

and by 2017 the rules will have been changed to prevent brigading the votes at which point the *Puppies/gamergaters can go piss up a rope.

I looked at the changes they intend to make and it does not look like it will actually prevent large enough groups of coordinated people from getting who they want nominated. It's reactionary to current behavior only. I do think the changes are good, and they will make it more difficult for any group, any influencer to be able to get people to vote a certain way.

But, again, reports I've seen indicate that GG, always eager to find a new thing to brigade

Even if they do get involved, they should want to vote on merit and not politics. They are enthusiast who value quality. They refuse to boycott as a group creators based on their politics, and want products to stand on their own. There are many scifi fans in GG. Most scifi fans at large have never gotten involved with the Hugos. The Hugos are supposed to be a fan aware. Surely more fans voting no matter who they are would be a victory.

I suppose they were disappointed there was no doxxing to be done, but hey brigading is almost as good, right?

Doxing is one x not two.

Since GG is known mostly for lying, doxxing, and brigading, I'm afraid I can't take your huffy denial seriously.

GG is known for things because so many people and media outlets have been lazy at repeating a narrative of lies about GG. But the attacks against GG have largely backfired as GG has grown so big in part because of the lies told about them. People wanted to see for themselves, only to see that they are largely reasonable, thoughtful people who care about issues that matter for consumers. They are used to being slandered and libeled by people who are willing to be dishonest to push for ideological purity. It's expected at this point. I have been called "one of the worst harassers" by people who lazily believed what others said just because I followed certain people on twitter. Not for anything I did to anyone, but because I followed a diverse set of people and some of the people that I followed certain ideologues deemed me guilty by association. I'm sick of it. I am sick of the ideologues. GG is huge, diverse, and not what you are saying it is, they are not doing what you say they are doing. People in GG have been victims of everything GG has been accused of. People against GG even say things like "there are no bad tactics, only bad targets".

And yes, the nominating process was known to be exploitable, previously expectations that people wouldn't act like raging assholes and fuck the system worked

It was alleged that some groups and influencers were already exploiting the system but doing it less obviously. Fixing the system is better than letting it be exploited again and again by people doing bad things below the surface. It took people doing it completely publicly for people to get motivated to try to fix it.

But, if nothing else, the *Puppies were proven quite wrong.

GRRM himself said the puppies were proved right.

After all, if there had been an Evil Liberal Conspiracy working to keep conservative fiction out, it would have locked out their slate.

I identify with liberal politics. I support a lot of social justice concepts. But I also care about nuance and the facts. Extremists on the left and the right dislike me because I refuse to treat politics like supporting sports teams and instead want to look at individual issues on their own.

As I understand the way things have been going, it was less about pushing conservatives out, and more about people and companies with influence using their influence to get who they wanted to win, which naturally pushed out others who were not in the in group of those with the influence, in part what the puppies alleged, and also what they were able to do with the nominations to illustrate it being able to be done. It's alleged that in the past the same kind of behavior was already happening without the puppies doing it. The puppies didn't want to win, but to show that it was being done by proving they could do it.

But the *Puppies/GG love sticking their right wing culture war shit where it isn't welcome, so now we're stuck with it.

It's anti-authoritarian culture, pro creative freedom, pro facts, anti censorship, pro merit, pro free market culture. GG is largely left leaning liberals and moderates! Saying they are right wing is a way for people who knee jerk hate conservatives to dismiss those they disagree with. Extremists on the left call anyone not as extreme as they are as being right wing.

Here's a hint: if you have to cheat to get your books nominated for an award, it probably means your books suck.

I have seen people admit to voting purely for political and ideological reasons. They say they only vote for people whose politics they find tasteful.

I dislike this mess too. I'm saddened by it.

[–]sudoku7 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Especially once you consider Vox Day.

[–]IAMPOUNDCAKE 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

You do realize that most within GG don't like him right, me among them? And I say that after getting started in this sub with defending his right to speak. :)

[–]ben242 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

And I say that after getting started in this sub with defending his right to speak. :)

Is anyone attacking his right to speak, or just the things he's saying?

[–]InfamousBrad 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

Cripes, it's months so I don't think I can find the links, but I remember that part of how the Rabid Puppies were able to get so many nominations in was that they reached out to the GamerGate channel on 4chan, where all you have to do is whisper "SJW" to raise a mob.

[–]JCSalomon 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

Funny. Everything I read from KiA looked like, “Oh look, SF/F has the same problem we do. We’re not involved, but we can cheer from the sidelines.”

[–]too_clever_username 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

GamerGate channel on 4chan

u wot m8?

[–]IAMPOUNDCAKE 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

That was postulated, but once you look at the the votes, and how they have grown organically, its rather absurd. Not to mention that stuff about the puppies didn't hit until well after. No one had really heard of Vox Day and company until people started getting blamed for stuff.

Even further than that, the Sad Puppies and Rabid Puppies aren't even synonymous. :)

Edit: Also, its good to know that the tactics are still being served here too.

[–]lordthat100188 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

You do not know what you are talking about. 4chan is vehemently anti gamergate, and gamergate hasn't been a topic talked about on 4chan since the begining of GG. There are no channels on 4chan, and 4chan is SJW except for a handful of boards.

[–]lordthat100188 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think the puppies win just based on how the hugos are taking their ball and going home. They voted no award 5 times, and are now getting pissy and changing the rules. Maybe next time don't make someones identity more important than the art and this won't happen. I personally have lost a LOT of respect for the hugo awards after this past year, and many authors in the sci fi community as well.

[–]Flofinator 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's been political since the end of the 90's early 2000's. I don't necessarily agree with what the puppies did, but I also think it's bullshit that people of the wrong political ideology were kept from winning Hugo's as well. Which is what we've had for a decade and a half.

I used to be interested in the Hugo awards and tried to read many of the Hugo award winning books, but it stopped being about the quality of the books and more about who wrote it. Now they are just mad because they are having their shit thrown back at them.

I think the puppies should've started their own awards, based on what the Hugo's used to be about. Based on merit of how well the book was written on not whether you voted Democrat or not. The Hugo's are a joke and have been for a while. Why anyone would want to win one is beyond me. It's a fashion show/popularity contest now.

[–]Jourdy288[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Oh hey, how's your new Faerie game going?

[–]Pkeod 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Have several FaeVerse games in development at the moment. FaeVerse Solitaire is huge and in polish stage. FaeVerse Alchemy is on early access on Steam. We have other card related projects too... Building lots of cool things while trying to not get distracted by the noise of all of this drama. Also writing every day!

[–]_lightfantastic 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hopefully next year all those new voters who came to offset the slate voting remember to nominate as well. Only way to avoid stuff like this happening in the future.

[–]InfamousBrad 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

If you can't watch the video, it's also being covered via real-time text updates at thehugoawards.org.

[–]-Albus- 14ポイント15ポイント  (25子コメント)

Best line of the night so far: "I'd like to thank the patriarchy." lolololololololol

Edit: Ok, Connie Willis' commentary beats even that.

[–]InfamousBrad 4ポイント5ポイント  (24子コメント)

Do you figure that "Women Destroy Science Fiction" and "Women Destroy Fantasy" had a lot to do with Lightspeed's win?

[–]-Albus- 7ポイント8ポイント  (23子コメント)

Probably - from the commentary I'm reading, the awards given seem to be a complete rejection of the sad puppies, which is excellent.

[–]jmk4422 5ポイント6ポイント  (21子コメント)

They'll figure out a way to claim victory anyway.

[–]phunphun 5ポイント6ポイント  (10子コメント)

If Twitter is any indication, they already have.

[–]Pkeod 22ポイント23ポイント  (9子コメント)

They got exactly what they wanted to be shown according to GRRM.

Most of them, frankly, suck. And the mere fact that so many people are discussing them makes me think that the Puppies won. They started this whole thing by saying the Hugo Awards were rigged to exclude them. That is completely untrue, as I believe I demonstrated conclusively in my last post. So what is happening now? The people on MY SIDE, the trufans and SMOFs and good guys, are having an endless circle jerk trying to come up with a foolproof way to RIG THE HUGOS AND EXCLUDE THEM. God DAMN, people. You are proving them right.

http://grrm.livejournal.com/418643.html

[–]phunphun 19ポイント20ポイント  (8子コメント)

So the sad puppies wanted to prove that everyone is excluding them by... rigging the system to exclude everyone else, and declared the win condition to be when the "other side" did the same and actually excluded them?

Tell me how this is anything but a dick move.

[–]Pkeod 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

everyone is excluding them by

It seemed like their concerns were more like that influential people published lists of people they were supporting to their friends and audiences, and that this had a strong effect on who actually won.

rigging the system to exclude everyone else

They proved that the nomination method that is in use is flawed enough to need to be changed, and really may have already been gamed in the past too. The admins are attempting to fix this flaw now as a result. It may take a few years or more to find a system that can't be gamed by any coordinated group, which may never happen unless they take voting all digital and skip nominations entirely.

It seemed like they were some frustrated people who wanted to expose what they saw as problems. Maybe you should talk with some of them? I see a lot of people practically dehumanizing them. They are human beings with thoughts and feelings, and contrary to popular belief they are diverse in every way. I see a lot of unfortunate hate and attacking from people who are supposed to be the good guys.

Tell me how this is anything but a dick move.

I think it's sad that some authors didn't get to win anything this year just because the puppies liked their work.

[–]Byrnhildr_Sedai 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think the biggest issue is the amount of overlap between the SP and RP slates. SP were trying to make a point, Vox and Co was just being well Vox.

[–]YouMadeMePost -1ポイント0ポイント  (5子コメント)

They didn't 'rig the system' the system was rigged already, which is what they wanted to prove. They abided by the rules of the awards completely. Those that oppose them just didn't expect those broken rules to come back to haunt them.

If the Hugos 2016 voting system changes, the puppies got what they wanted because if it changes for them it changes for everyone.

It boggles my mind that despite the sad puppies aims being crystal clear from day 1, those that have a vested interest against them are still trying to convince themselves and others that their intentions were something else. It's not even something you need to speculate on. It's easily researchable. Why does everyone become so intellectually dishonest when they start drawing ideological lines in the sand? It's disgusting.

[–]hAND_OUT 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

There's a difference between a system having an existing exploitable vulnerabilty, and someone actually going out of the way to exploit that vulnerability.

[–]YouMadeMePost -3ポイント-2ポイント  (3子コメント)

So I assume this also applies to the 'anti-puppies' who effectively used slate voting to get the 'no award' options to stick?

[–]eremiticjude 20ポイント21ポイント  (40子コメント)

HAHA wow. apparently this year's statue should have been in the shape of a rolled up newpaper. a more or less complete rejection of the sadpuppy/sickpuppy slate. unless i'm mistaken the only thing from their slate to win was Guardians of the Galaxy and that was a pretty long reach in the first place anyway. Instead, a bunch of translated works won. The voters picked diversity or no one instead of bigots. nicely done hugo voters.

[–]Esrou -5ポイント-4ポイント  (5子コメント)

bigots

[–]ALLAH_WAS_A_SANDWORM 9ポイント10ポイント  (4子コメント)

Well, yes. Calling Vox Day a bigot gives run-of-the-mill bigots a bad name.

[–]HoopyFreud 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

What a fucking disaster of a shitshow. No best novella, no best short, no best editor. No Award was above at least two nominees in zine categories. Only the winner stayed above No Award for the Campbell.

Regardless of where the Hugos go from here, this year has been an unmitigated disaster, and it's obvious that the reputation of the Hugos, possibly the most widely respected democratic award in writing, has been badly hurt. There is too much bad faith in the air. Yes, the Hugos have had a reputation of being clique-ish for decades. No, by stuffing ballots you haven't made it better.

The victims here are us, the readers, and authors like Annie Bellet, whose fantastic piece in the Apocalypse Triptych is part of one of my favorite short story anthology projects in the last few years. She withdrew from the awards because, in her words, "this has become about something very different than great science fiction." Not that it mattered, since No Award got the votes, not an author who deserved them.

Good fucking night, and see you all at the World Fantasy Awards.

[–]ThisDerpForSale -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

She withdrew because she didn't want to be associated with Beale, Correia, or Torgesson. And the latter two used to be friends of hers. No more.

[–]Exmond 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sad to see Jim butcher didn'tChet best novel. Also seeing the controversy unfold and rather than ignore it and give books a chance to stand on their own people banded together and voted for no award makes me sad. This has definetly made me think less of the hugos.

[–]YouMadeMePost 1ポイント2ポイント  (9子コメント)

So basically the puppies thing was proved right, it is about politics and who's deemed permissible. Rather than let puppy slate nominees win, the social justice crowd closed ranks and used scorched earth tactics taking out decent innocent writers in the process. They've given Pyrrhus a run for his money.

What a shambles.

[–]_lightfantastic 9ポイント10ポイント  (8子コメント)

I guess "scorched earth" is the new internet reactionary talking point du jour. I see a lot of parrots squawking that one today.

Anyway, No Award won out because the majority of the voters decided that the works nominated weren't deserving of awards. End of story. Maybe next year if the Puppies want to nominate conservative writers work they should actually consult with actual members of conservative sci-fi fandom and find what the most deserving authors and books are as opposed to just stoking the anger of whiny culture warriors who haven't read any of the books and nominating Correia's and Day's hack buddies.

Conservative authors have won in the past, there are plenty of talented conservative authors in sci-fi and fantasy who write traditional sci-fi that can and will win in the future, the Puppies slates didn't nominate any works of real merit and thus they were deservedly No Awarded.

[–]YouMadeMePost -3ポイント-2ポイント  (7子コメント)

Anyway, No Award won out because the majority of the voters decided that the works nominated weren't deserving of awards. End of story

Utter crap. they didn't even look at the works, they just looked at what the puppies were voting and reacted accordingly. This was an organised mobbing, not a genuine vote.

Maybe next year if the Puppies want to nominate conservative writers work...

They actually had a variety of nominees, and not just 'conservative'. But maybe if you keep repeating such nonsense it'll come true.

[–]_lightfantastic 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

And you have proof that nobody looked at the works right? I mean I'm sure you read all the Hugo Award novels from last year and this year to justify your belief that there is some sort of EVIL SJW bias right? I'm sure you certainly don't have an axe to grind and are just jumping on a bandwagon even though you don't really care about the Hugos or science fiction right?

Oh and Corriea related works were nominated for an entire category themselves, John C. Wright had three stories in one category, and almost every person nominated from their slates was either one of Correia's or Day's pals, so I don't really know where this variety of nominees stuff is coming from. I don't particularly think I'm the one here that is repeating nonsense.

[–]YouMadeMePost -5ポイント-4ポイント  (1子コメント)

And you have proof that nobody looked at the works right?

There's a clear 'paper trail' that this was organised by two Tor employees to undermine the puppies slate and no other reason. Plenty of 'I'm putting no award and not even reading them' comments on social media/blogs followed this.

I mean I'm sure you read all the Hugo Award novels from last year and this year to justify your belief that there is some sort of EVIL SJW bias right?

Or I'm just a sci-fi fan who thinks fairness and honesty trumps ideological leanings and only watched this whole thing from the sidelines. Doesn't fit your narrative as well though, does it?

[...]and almost every person nominated from their slates was either one of Correia's or Day's pals

Nice save. I'm aware of at least two who were nominated who were absolutely not aligned with anyone in either the puppies camps and took to their personal blogs to air their grievances of the 'association' and sad that they might win an award under those circumstances. It's disturbing we can be at a point where that's a thing, and not think 'hey, something isn't right here'.

Think whatever you want mate, I'm past caring.

[–]_lightfantastic 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ah yes. The two Tor employees that the company itself distanced themselves from. Then again, I forget that Tor is just an evil leftist outfit that publishes books by filthy socialists like Orson Scott Card and John C. Wright.

"Honesty trumps ideological leanings which is why I believe there is a vast SJW conspiracy and that leftist writers don't win awards based on their own merit. Narrative narrative narrative."

Yeah there were a few authors and publications who objected to the idea of politics based slate voting and removed themselves from the ballots because of it. I agree that it is disturbing we are at that point, but I suspect it is probably not for the same reasons as you.

But okay mate, you are right and you obviously really don't care. Guess it is just about ethics in being "non-political" where your default political stance just happens to be the non-political one, right?

[–]mjfgates 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

I looked at them. The two best things on the Puppy slates were "Totaled", basically "Flowers for Algernon" with poorer characterization; and "Turncoat", classic bad milSF with one plot twist which was given away by the title. Then you get into the other crap, your "Left Behind But With Cute Fuzzy Animals," "Segway Convoy Fulla Ghosts," "Book of Random Tweets About '0bama' Har De Har Har," and so on. They shoved "Jackelope Wives" and The Three-Body Problem off the ballot for THIS? Feh.

[–]InfamousBrad 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

And that's one of the things that, as far as I can tell, neither of the Puppies groups gets. Yes, there is visible bias on the literary Hugos, one that's been argued about for years -- heck, there have been suggested rules changes to try to fix one of them:

  • Hugo voters, above all else, want novelty. Originality. Do something that's been done before and you will not win. If you don't have a new take on whatever trope you're working on, it's not going to win a Hugo.

  • Hugo voters assume that if it's a YA novel, there's no originality. They're wrong -- occasionally. (I'm still carrying a grudge that Westerfield's Uglies didn't win its year.)

  • Hugo voters assume that if it's urban fantasy, there's no originality. Again, they're wrong, occasionally, but good luck getting them to even look at one. (I'm still carrying an even older grudge that Bull's War for the Oaks didn't win its year.)

  • The only other consistent bias is that neither the book nor the author be known for a political or moral position that's overtly repellent.

That latter one is the one that sticks in Vox Day's craw, because frankly, that his level of misogyny and racism is considered repellent by 99% of the human race just means that the rest of us are wrong, which must mean that we just haven't heard his sterling arguments for why white men are so much better than everybody else. So if he could just get us to read his stuff, the whole world would be better off.

But to stir up enough of a crowd to do that, he has to tell mainstream conservatives that there's a liberal conspiracy against them, too -- which is nonsense easily debunked by an even trivial glance at the history of the award.

[–]HoopyFreud 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Three Body Problem won, fyi

[–]ALLAH_WAS_A_SANDWORM 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

they didn't even look at the works, they just looked at what the puppies were voting and reacted accordingly.

So, how's being an omniscient mind reader working out for you?