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[–]-Albus- 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

For those curious, there were five categories where no Hugo was awarded - doubling the number of "no awards" in the history of the Hugos.

[–]somuchless 9ポイント10ポイント  (10子コメント)

Putting aside all the controversy, tons more people voted this year which is a net gain for the awards.

[–]Jourdy288[S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (8子コメント)

Agreed; however this year turns out, I think because of the increased attention, next year will be better.

[–]Pkeod 1ポイント2ポイント  (7子コメント)

It's great that more people are voting. It's not great that it's evident that this has become divisively political and not about the works but about who wrote the works. I don't know about next year being better. I have a feeling that 2016 Hugo Awards will be the year that the only award will be No Award.

[–]InfamousBrad 5ポイント6ポイント  (4子コメント)

That depends. There was a mathematically derived anti-slate rules change for the nominations that was going to be brought up in the business meeting, and I haven't heard yet how that went. My guess, based on what I saw last night, is it probably went pretty well. It was hashed out over on Making Light:

If the rule passed, then what the Puppies (or any other slate) can do next year is all band together to nominate one item per category. If they try to sweep the nominations in each category, like they did this time, then none of their stuff will make it. Which means that if they, or any group, think that the problem is that their stuff isn't even being considered, it's still easy for them to nominate their best stuff, the one piece per category that the group thinks is the best. What they won't be able to do is push all of everybody else's stuff off the ballot, which is what they tried to do this year and failed hilariously.

Edited to add: Just read a comment, over on Making Light, clarifying that the Hugo rules changes don't get voted on until Sunday's business meeting, and that, even if they pass, they don't take effect until they've been ratified at next year's Worldcon in KCMO. So next year's voting will be done under the same rules as this year, so yeah, you may be right -- if the Puppies and the GamerGaters want to sweep the nominations for a second year, and there's no bigger counter-slate, then they probably can do it, one more time. In which case, yeah, expect a big sweep for No Award again.

[–]Pkeod 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thanks for the links. I think unfortunately that system change proposal is still game-able to produce an eventual sweeping No Award result. It seems to assume certain behavior that has happened before will happen again with no change - reacting to current state of behavior only. It just requires more coordination from the varying groups for groups to get what they want.

The "we could have everyone but the ballot would be very long" argument is I think bad for the digital age.

[–]IAMPOUNDCAKE -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

Puppies and the GamerGaters

These aren't synonymous.

[–]sotonohito 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

For the purposes of the recent efforts to break and/or destroy the Hugos they are.

[–]sudoku7 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Especially once you consider Vox Day.

[–]Jourdy288[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Oh hey, how's your new Faerie game going?

[–]Pkeod 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Have several FaeVerse games in development at the moment. FaeVerse Solitaire is huge and in polish stage. FaeVerse Alchemy is on early access on Steam. We have other card related projects too... Building lots of cool things while trying to not get distracted by the noise of all of this drama. Also writing every day!

[–]_lightfantastic 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hopefully next year all those new voters who came to offset the slate voting remember to nominate as well. Only way to avoid stuff like this happening in the future.

[–]InfamousBrad 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

If you can't watch the video, it's also being covered via real-time text updates at thehugoawards.org.

[–]eremiticjude 15ポイント16ポイント  (7子コメント)

HAHA wow. apparently this year's statue should have been in the shape of a rolled up newpaper. a more or less complete rejection of the sadpuppy/sickpuppy slate. unless i'm mistaken the only thing from their slate to win was Guardians of the Galaxy and that was a pretty long reach in the first place anyway. Instead, a bunch of translated works won. The voters picked diversity or no one instead of bigots. nicely done hugo voters.

[–]-Albus- 8ポイント9ポイント  (19子コメント)

Best line of the night so far: "I'd like to thank the patriarchy." lolololololololol

Edit: Ok, Connie Willis' commentary beats even that.

[–]InfamousBrad 4ポイント5ポイント  (18子コメント)

Do you figure that "Women Destroy Science Fiction" and "Women Destroy Fantasy" had a lot to do with Lightspeed's win?

[–]-Albus- 6ポイント7ポイント  (17子コメント)

Probably - from the commentary I'm reading, the awards given seem to be a complete rejection of the sad puppies, which is excellent.

[–]jmk4422 4ポイント5ポイント  (15子コメント)

They'll figure out a way to claim victory anyway.

[–]phunphun 5ポイント6ポイント  (4子コメント)

If Twitter is any indication, they already have.

[–]Pkeod 12ポイント13ポイント  (3子コメント)

They got exactly what they wanted to be shown according to GRRM.

Most of them, frankly, suck. And the mere fact that so many people are discussing them makes me think that the Puppies won. They started this whole thing by saying the Hugo Awards were rigged to exclude them. That is completely untrue, as I believe I demonstrated conclusively in my last post. So what is happening now? The people on MY SIDE, the trufans and SMOFs and good guys, are having an endless circle jerk trying to come up with a foolproof way to RIG THE HUGOS AND EXCLUDE THEM. God DAMN, people. You are proving them right.

http://grrm.livejournal.com/418643.html

[–]phunphun 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

So the sad puppies wanted to prove that everyone is excluding them by... rigging the system to exclude everyone else, and declared the win condition to be when the "other side" did the same and actually excluded them?

Tell me how this is anything but a dick move.

[–]Pkeod 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

everyone is excluding them by

It seemed like their concerns were more like that influential people published lists of people they were supporting to their friends and audiences, and that this had a strong effect on who actually won.

rigging the system to exclude everyone else

They proved that the nomination method that is in use is flawed enough to need to be changed, and really may have already been gamed in the past too. The admins are attempting to fix this flaw now as a result. It may take a few years or more to find a system that can't be gamed by any coordinated group, which may never happen unless they take voting all digital and skip nominations entirely.

It seemed like they were some frustrated people who wanted to expose what they saw as problems. Maybe you should talk with some of them? I see a lot of people practically dehumanizing them. They are human beings with thoughts and feelings, and contrary to popular belief they are diverse in every way. I see a lot of unfortunate hate and attacking from people who are supposed to be the good guys.

Tell me how this is anything but a dick move.

I think it's sad that some authors didn't get to win anything this year just because the puppies liked their work.

[–]Byrnhildr_Sedai 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think the biggest issue is the amount of overlap between the SP and RP slates. SP were trying to make a point, Vox and Co was just being well Vox.

[–]Exmond -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sad to see Jim butcher didn'tChet best novel. Also seeing the controversy unfold and rather than ignore it and give books a chance to stand on their own people banded together and voted for no award makes me sad. This has definetly made me think less of the hugos.