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[–]TheYouth1863 7ポイント8ポイント  (4子コメント)

Spanish kicked them out of their homes

Well to be fair it was kind of Spanish/Visigoth at one point before the conquest by the Umayyads, but still to the ex-Iberian pirates at least it had been their homeland too at one point (I forget for how many centuries though).

[–]alfonsoelsabio 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

but still to the ex-Iberian pirates at least it had been their homeland too at one point (I forget for how many centuries though).

Many. Lots. Seven.

The Iberian Muslims had deep roots, and had entirely supplanted Christian rulership many, many generations prior. The region's having been previously part of Christendom was part of the justification of the Reconquista, but let's not just accept that justification uncritically.

[–]Cielle 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well, this gets into the question of what makes conquest/rulership of a place "legitimate", which is something I don't think has a real answer.

[–]TheYouth1863 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Many. Lots. Seven.

Wow, for some reason I was leaning towards 4-5 centuries, then again it's been a while since I've read up on the Medieval history of Spain/Iberia.

accept that justification uncritically

Fair enough, though I can't think of any reason good enough to supplant or remove anyone really :/ ....Well, unless they look different from me....have resources I need maybe.....or Dutch...

[–]illstealurcandy 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

To be fair, it's not like the borders were static between those 700 years.

[–]StrangeSemiticLatinAnd then Odin said to Loki, "Effendi, want some Ayran?" 6ポイント7ポイント  (5子コメント)

Why did some Christians and even some Jews turn to piracy? Piracy largely has more to do with being a seafaring culture than it does with being a Muslim one.

This hurts me as a Maltese person. Our one true chance to be mentioned in badhistory and you don't mention us. No one remembers the Knights of St. John. :(

[–]shalomfrommo 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

Didn't the Knights Hospitaller wind up signing on with France and actually engaging in piracy as well?

[–]StrangeSemiticLatinAnd then Odin said to Loki, "Effendi, want some Ayran?" 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

We continued it for a long time until Napoleon came and ruined everything with reforms about education and shit.

Also interestingly was that any non-Catholic Ottoman was a target. So that included the Greek Orthodox, even after the Church became quite angry at that. Remember Mediterranean piracy included slavery.

[–]TheYouth1863 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

I remember the Knights of Malta! They were the guys in the first campaign of AoE3 right?

[–]StrangeSemiticLatinAnd then Odin said to Loki, "Effendi, want some Ayran?" 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

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[–]TheYouth1863 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'll show myself out....

[–]davidAOPI'm that Pirate History guy over at AskHistorians 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Barbary piracy and slavery were not all that different from European piracy and slavery

That sounds way too generalized - then again, explaining the difference probably deserves a book to properly dissect said differences. Main point: the comparison of the two probably deserves more attention and maybe some parameters set up for the comparison (since pirate history has lots of different eras that had their own distinctions).

[–]Dhanvantari 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Barbary piracy and slavery were not all that different from European piracy and slavery

The desertification of northern Africa must have played an important role in the development of the Barbary state's peculiar slaver/hostage economy.