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PremiseSpacewalks are Faked (self.C_S_T)

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I'm under the impression that most on this subreddit believe that moon landings were faked.

That being said, if they faked the moon landings, what else are they faking about space?

I stumbled onto various spacewalk anomalies culled from various youtubers throughout the years and for all to see as YT is an archive of mishaps (think TV news bloopers, etc).

What I found through my research is that spacewalks are actually faked. They are filmed underwater in what could only be a massive underwater tank.

Spacewalk anomalies

Supplementary Evidence

Conclusion

  • If moon landings were faked, let alone spacewalks, there is a clear possibility that outer space is not real.

  • If outer space is not real, this would mean a deception is taking place to the highest order. I would even question the ability to orbit this planet. If orbiting this planet is not even possible, the last biggest deception would be, the Earth being a globe.

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[–]Zbrzezinski 7ポイント8ポイント  (7子コメント)

You're flirting with the deepest rabbit hole of all. Here's another breadcrumb: https://youtu.be/R77j9rUuky4

I personally have no empirical facts about the nature of outer space. Beware the zealotry of those who put blind faith in 2d images and esoteric math.

[–]ChangeThroughTruth 0ポイント1ポイント  (6子コメント)

The standard flat earth model as presented in that video by Eric Dubay does not work. The easy counter to it is: How do long summer days work in the Southern 'hemisphere'? The sun would need to be visible from too large of a distance which would mess up day lengths at other locations. See if you can get him to give an answer that makes sense for that. I was banned from his forum (ifers.boards.net) a couple of months ago. There isn't much questioning allowed there. It is interesting to see how that forum works: be a complete sycophant cheerleader or risk the banhammer. On a balance of probabilities I have to think Eric Dubay is controlled opposition himself. He pushes the debate to a false dichotomy: official spinning globe or standard flat earth. I have a copy of his book on the subject and have viewed all of the video material he has produced as well as most produced by other people.

But, the official spinning globe model also does not work for many of the reasons pointed out by flat earth advocates. So the subject is still open.

As for the original topic:

there is a clear possibility that outer space is not real.

This is about where I am at with it. When you really get to critically examining the material produced by NASA and seeing how much is clearly fake/contradicts itself, it becomes impossible to take their word for anything. Some of the stuff they are putting out lately is just so blatantly fake it looks like they are trying to get caught, to see how far they can push the nonsense before it is so obvious that it overwhelms the unquestioning believers.

So what is "up there". Is there a vacuum at all? I've always been troubled by a vacuum existing alongside an atmosphere. The force of pressure trying to equalize just seems so massive compared to 'gravity'. There is some evidence of a barrier up there, for example Operation Fishbowl https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Fishbowl where they tried to nuke the sky. The shape of the barrier is debatable. If Steven Christ's (or Cyrus Teed's) concave is the correct model for the earth(I still need to put the time in to look at it properly), then it would be a sphere.

[–]weliveinside 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

Steve is correct, the Earth is concave. This preserves the 2d geometry of the land and the mappings of the stars, and solves all of the problems with the convex model. Add in the glass sky, the celestial sphere, and and the fact that light bends upwards, and everything falls nicely into place.

Watch Steve's recent Rectilineator documentary if you are ready to dive in: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IinxfgwR0w

[–]ChangeThroughTruth 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

Thank you.

Did your route to your current understanding of the world involve a trip through the flat earth theory?

[–]weliveinside 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Very, very briefly. I went from ISS hoax -> Moon Landing hoax -> NASA complete hoax -> problems with heliocentricity -> problems with relativity -> flat earth? -> problems with flat earth (specifically flight times in the southern hemisphere and the big one, the Southern Cross, though of course there are many others) -> concave earth / glass sky.

Steven Christopher just has so much compelling content, and he has a freaking working model. At the end of the day, the Flat Earthers have ZERO model, but from the moment I first saw it I immediately fell in love and intuitively felt the rightness of the concave model, which is much more like a womb or a cell or an egg or many other things that have analogies in nature.

I also recommend at least looking at Teed's Cellular Cosmogony. It's a very interesting book, and I feel intuitively that Teed and Morrow were true scientists. They "drew the line in the sand", and until someone else repeats the experiment and gets a different result, I don't see any way their findings can be refuted.

Feel free to join us on the forums! We're nothing like ifers, and discussion is generally cordial and open to questions from newcomers.

[–]ChangeThroughTruth 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Thanks for your story and the invitation.

I have a copy of Cellular Cosmogony and I've visited the forum you linked before. I just need to invest the time to go through the material. I'm slightly troubled by Steven Christopher's claims of who he is, but a solid model with experiments to back it up is far more important than that.

[–]weliveinside 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I share your concerns and skepticism, but Steven's work stands 100% on it's own. I try to separate that for which he provides evidence from that which he does not. His arguments about the shape of the earth are backed by logic, reason and evidence. His arguments about being the Christ are not. I am willing to overlook the latter given the undeniable quality and compelling nature of the former. I hope you are able to do the same, and hey, if you do find any serious flaws with the model - let me know!

[–]a_tedder 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hey also check out Wild Heretics site on the concave earth. Some really good stuff. Im on a mobile so I cant get a link but just type wild heretic into google and it should pop up.

[–]LurkingSarcasm 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Just because you dont like the answer, doesnt mean its wrong OJP. Spacesuits use Sublimators for cooling.

...the cooling system consists of a network of small diameter water circulation tubes that are held close to the body by a Spandex® body suit. Heat released by the astronaut’s body movements is transferred to the water where it is carried to a refrigeration unit in the suit's backpack. The water runs across a porous metal plate that is exposed to the vacuum of outer space on the other side. Small amounts of water pass through the pores where it freezes on the outside of the plate. As additional heated water runs across the plate, the heat is absorbed by the aluminum and is conducted to the exposed side. There the ice begins to sublimate, or turn directly into water vapor and disperses in space. Sublimation is a cooling process. Additional water passes through the pores, and freezes as before. Consequently, the water flowing across the plate has been cooled again and is used to recirculate through the suit to absorb more heat.

They don't act like air bubbles in a pool. They do however act like water/ice in zero gravity of space.

[–]LetsHackReality 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

I agree with the Premise (much, if not all, of space-work is fake) but not the Conclusion (Flat Earth).

I think human civilization is much older than we've been told, by thousands if not tens or even hundreds of thousands of years. I think the whole solar system has been well-colonized -- if not currently, then certainly in the past. We probably have interstellar technology. (Think of where are current tech will be in just another 1000 years.)

But to maintain the illusion that our current public technological is roughly the best we have, and not explore the enormous tech advantage the "elite" has, NASA has to stage bogus space-faring missions where we "explore" virgin, deserted planets.

Either that, or NASA is exploring ancient ruins on other planet/moons to explore and recover extremely advanced technologies from prior human civilizations.

[–]KizzyKid 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

See, I'm more along the thought line of they went out, they discovered something huge (existence of aliens? proof that alien life forms do exist, if not the aliens themselves? proof of extraterrestrial human activity? The moon is hollow?) but had no clue how to break the information to a god-fearing society who had grown to believe they were special snowflakes in a large field of nothing, God's favorite little critters. After covering it up, they had to lie to cover their lies to cover their lies to cover their lies, and it's got to a point where it's so interwebbed, if they reveal the existence of aliens now, it'll also bring expose the banking industry, the military-industrial complex, and that Kim Kardashian is actually Cthulhu's wrath.

[–]LetsHackReality 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think all the aliens stuff is just a smokescreen. But that last part I can agree with.

[–]BrapAllgood 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I couldn't help noticing how baked the two dudes are in the Chris Cassidy admits stuff video. Hotboxing the ISS sounds fun.

And profitable.

[–]SuperCrawford54 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

If you don't believe any of it real, buy a telescope and look into the sky at night. What are all the lights in the sky at night? What is the sun and why does it set? You can believe I'm a NASA shill all you want but all it takes is a telescope to believe space is real.

[–]blacy0520 1ポイント2ポイント  (5子コメント)

The anomalies are interesting, but my thing with this is if we have the scientific knowledge to create multiple types of atom bombs, and have satellites orbiting the planet that do different things, is it really that much of a stretch for us to put people in one of them and outfit them with equipment to survive in a vacuum?

EDIT: As well as achieve this? So if this is fake and produced on Earth in a studio, why? What if.....all the scientists working in the space program are legit and you're just ignorant to physics/math/science?

[–]murphys_inlaw 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

have satellites orbiting the planet that do different things, is it really that much of a stretch for us to put people in one of them and outfit them with equipment to survive in a vacuum?

Yes, it is a HUGE stretch actually. The difference between low earth orbit (90% of satellites) and the moon is enormous. About 238,800 miles different.

Also, watch how this logic works, I will make up a lie and just pretend that is has been "proven" to everybody (like the moon landing).

"lizards exist as part of evolution, is it really that much of a stretch that we found dragons living in underwater caves that create lava?"

Do you get the point. Nothing seems like a stretch when a big enough lie has been created to make everyone believe it has happened. The evidence of man walking on the moon is about as believable as underwater fire dragons, when you can separate yourself from blind nationalism and the desire to want to believe it is true.

[–]blacy0520 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

Saying scientists from multiple countries who work together to put people in orbit are fake/conspiring is not rational.

I can see the moon landings being faked, but saying we fake space in general is going over the line. And people who usually believe that sort of thing aren't people who have a shred of experience with studying the nature of the world as a profession. I'm not a scientist, I don't get paid to create technology and test hypotheses.

Yes, there is a point where blind faith is bad. We must question everything. I question the moon landings actually.. But I don't question spacewalking and the ISS.

Having no real qualification (other than convincing youtube videos) to say something is fake that hundreds of smart people work on is bad enough.

[–]murphys_inlaw 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

I go back and forth on it honestly. Because everything you are saying does sound rational and make sense. But then again, sometime I think: we are monkeys clinging onto a rock flying through a vacuum. And then I start to believe that anything is possible, even a conspiracy of that size.

It would be the biggest one in history. And thanks to compartmentalizing and thousands of years of human history to get it right, sometimes I wonder....

[–]Ambiguously_Ironic 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

How many people would actually have to be "in on it" really though? A few high-ranking officials, a few scientists/astronaut actors, a few journalists or reporters. The majority of people working for NASA wouldn't have to know, the majority of people selling the lies in the media wouldn't have to know, the majority of people in governments around the world wouldn't have to know.

I think when people use the argument that a conspiracy is "too big" to exist, they need to actually consider the number of people that would really be required if a conspiracy was in play. It's usually many less than you'd think at first.

[–]murphys_inlaw 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Totally agree! I feel like people really do not understand how compartmentalization works.

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    [–]monkee67 1ポイント2ポイント  (14子コメント)

    so i suppose that thing that appears to be a giant bus in the sky, that i have personally seen thru binoculars is what? a hologram? and sat phones work through what mechanism? and GPS works how?

    [–]monkee67 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (13子コメント)

    satellites are real, i have personally witnessed the ISS transit across the sky, i have personally made calls on Sat phones. this is not a critical shower thought, your position is not supported by facts.

    [–]one23four5six78nine 5ポイント6ポイント  (4子コメント)

    this is not a critical shower thought, your position is not supported by facts.

    Are cst supposed to be?

    [–]monkee67 -3ポイント-2ポイント  (3子コメント)

    A premise or premiss is a statement that an argument claims will induce or justify a conclusion. In other words: a premise is an assumption that something is true. In logic, an argument requires a set of (at least) two declarative sentences (or "propositions") known as the premises or premisses along with another declarative sentence (or "proposition") known as the conclusion. This structure of two premises and one conclusion forms the basic argumentative structure. More complex arguments can use a series of rules to connect several premises to one conclusion, or to derive a number of conclusions from the original premises which then act as premises for additional conclusions. An example of this is the use of the rules of inference found within symbolic logic.

    Aristotle held that any logical argument could be reduced to two premises and a conclusion.[4] Premises are sometimes left unstated in which case they are called missing premises, for example:

        Socrates is mortal because all men are mortal.

    It is evident that a tacitly understood claim is that Socrates is a man. The fully expressed reasoning is thus:

        Because all men are mortal and Socrates is a man, Socrates is mortal.

    In this example, the independent clauses preceding the comma (namely, "all men are mortal" and "Socrates is a man") are the premises, while "Socrates is mortal" is the conclusion.

    The proof of a conclusion depends on both the truth of the premises and the validity of the argument.

    [–]one23four5six78nine 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Cst: God is real.

    [–]monkee67 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    not going to argue that, just going to ask you to define what "god" is to you

    [–]OurJesuitPaymasters[S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (6子コメント)

    someone actually looked into the claims of the ISS being observable from the ground but many of them turned out to be associated with the space industry. fact is one cannot take someones word and believe just because someone said they saw it with their own eyes.

    [–]monkee67 -5ポイント-4ポイント  (5子コメント)

    I have seen it with my own eyes, transit the skies. you don't have to take my word for it, you can see it for yourself http://spotthestation.nasa.gov/sightings/#.VcoSPEWKyHl. if you can't believe your own eyes...

    [–]OurJesuitPaymasters[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

    You know who else says this statement day in and day out? Shills.

    And someone has already researched into these claims of being able to see the ISS from the ground and again, they were associated with the space industry/NASA.

    And taking someone's claims as gospel isn't much evidence.

    [–]monkee67 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (3子コメント)

    all i am asking you is to visit that site plug in your position and go see for yourself. i don't need to argue. either you believe your eyes or you don't. you can can be a doubting Thomas to your hearts content. but the mere fact that we can communicate via this very device we are typing on across the ether is pretty much the result of technology which includes satellites in space.

    [–]OurJesuitPaymasters[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

    sorry but a website from a government agency is not solid proof for me

    what do you have to say about the Content in the OP showing air bubbles?

    [–]delmarria 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    You're being a bit unfair. When you look up a location on that site it gives you times and coordinates/degrees when you might see the ISS in the sky. He's literally giving you a chance to actually try to see it with your literal eyes and prove/disprove it for yourself, rather than just rely on secondhand information.

    [–]monkee67 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    there are a whole host of explanations for these camera anomalies. gases escaping. space debris. trick of the light on the lens. all more likely then tens of thousands of people working in the space industry involved in a giant hoax without them knowing it. i am not asking you to believe the website. i am asking you to plug in your location you wish to view from and go see for yourself, stop being a Ludite

    [–]GhostPantsMcGee 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    https://youtube.com/watch?v=xOsOifg4Mm0

    Lol.

    Much conclusive.
    Very evidence.

    The ISS is roughly the size of two 747 and is 40 times further away from you than a 747 when directly overhead; it is considerably further away when closer to the horizon. Just to put it in perspective.

    [–]early_birdy 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

    There is a huge gap between a video (possibly) depicting a fake spacewalk and spacewalks (as a whole) being fake. This title is misleading.

    [–]krackers -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I'm under the impression that most on this subreddit believe that moon landings were faked.

    Do we? I respectfully disagree.

    [–]shmusko01 -5ポイント-4ポイント  (4子コメント)

    Except these 'particles' or should I say air bubbles, are being released all over the place.

    All over the place? I saw a small handful

    The kicker is at 2:02 you will actually see a SCUBA tank from within the airlock

    No you don't. That looks nothing like a scuba tank.

    Do a side by side with this image taken from NASA's buoyancy lab.

    Cool pic. Looks a lot like the tank I did my scuba training in. It does't look anything like the earlier video.

    Chinese Spacewalk

    and?

    ISS Spacewalk Showing Air Bubbles

    Not air bubbles. Try again

    Russian Mission Control Accidentally Showing Scuba Divers on one of it's feeds

    Where are they?

    Another ISS Spacewalk Showing Air Bubbles in Space straight from NASA's youtube channel Bubble seen from 3:21 and 3:39 mark.

    Nope. Not a bubble. Pretty curious how it doesn't behave in any manner consistent with how a bubble would underwater.

    Air Bubble Anomaly STS-51A (1984)

    Nope. Not a bubble.

    Apollo 16 Spacewalk Showing More Bubble Artifacts

    Looks nothing like and behaves nothing like bubbles.

    ISS Mission

    And?

    Astronaut Chris Cassidy Admits He's On Earth while on the 'ISS'

    Where does he say this?

    Oh yeah, he doesn't.

    Neil Armstrong forgets whether he saw stars or not on the moon. Fellow astronaut corrects him.

    Yeah, almost like it's a largely insignificant detail.

    Astronaut from documentary 'Astronauts Gone Wild' shows complete lack of knowledge of the part of one of the astronauts when recalling the moon missions

    Huh?

    [–]Akareyon 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Yeah, almost like it's a largely insignificant detail.

    An insignificant detail. The stars. On the moon. An insignificant detail. On the moon. The stars. In outer space. Insignificant.