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[–]justintimess 51ポイント52ポイント  (100子コメント)

Marine for 8 years. Two tours in Iraq. Never raped anyone. Never beat my wife. Never killed anyone (except from my helo). I do get angry about random stuff but I never take it out on anyone.

So yea... We have our bad apples just like any other branch or group of people.

[–]Awesomapotamus 13ポイント14ポイント  (7子コメント)

People love blanket judgments. When I was a teen I thought many of common things about the military. It was for losers\criminals blah blah blah etc. After college I enlisted in the army. My experience was largely similar to yours.

The military is a diverse microcosm of the real world, like any other profession. During BCT at Ft. Sill the guy who slept on the lower bunk of my rack had a PhD. The kid 4 racks down, I don't know how he tied his shoes without help. I met some of the smartest, kindest and most helpful people in my military experience. I also met the laziest, shitty jackasses as well.

[–]tamman2000 4ポイント5ポイント  (6子コメント)

I don't have a PhD, but about 3/4 of my coworkers do... I don't think I have met anyone who was an enlisted PhD. All the military PhDs I've met were officers assigned to research jobs.

So I'm curious, what was the PhD doing there? What were his reasons for joining, etc?

[–]ZeroStreetCred 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

Had a NYU professor in Infantry Basic with me down at Ft. Benning. He signed up with a Ranger contract. Last I heard he made it through RIP and was at some Ranger Batt.

[–]tamman2000 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

So he was abandoning the old career, right?

[–]ZeroStreetCred [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I think so. Never actually talked to the guy as he was in a different platoon. Don't think you can teach at NYU and be an enlisted Ranger at the same time though.

[–]toaster427 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I've only met 2 in the many years I've been in who earned their PhD.

However they got it while they were in, the service paid for their education while they were in using TA, they got their masters around E-7 and just kept going to school on their own dime. They both did it just because they could, they didn't leave service and ended up retiring after 20ish years.

I have however met many many E-6s and above who have earned their masters. There are a lot more of them then would ever think there would be serving in the military. Many of them do it because college credits are often a requirement in order to get the highest rating for their annual evaluation.

It's free and they borderline force you into it while serving, when you start early it's really not hard to end up with a masters towards the end of your career.

It's funny sometimes because they really don't press education at all with officers since they already have their bachelors coming in. Been in many squadrons where the upper level enlisted ranks have more experience AND higher degrees than the officers in command of them.

[–]Awesomapotamus [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

He was a Doctor of Music going into the Army Band. He played the stand-up bass and electric bass, a few other instruments as well I think. I never directly asked him what his reasons were but I suspect it may have been to make sure he could care for his family and have some form of healthcare guaranteed for his young children. Last I spoke with him he was still in the 56th Army Band.

[–]Holysinz [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Some people enlist just to do it. One of the guys I served with had a masters and was enlisted. By E-5 he pretty much ran our division by default because he was a great native leader and he didn't fuck with the chain of command so they just let him do his thing. I asked him why he was enlisted and his reply was "Everyone in my family serves. Fuck the officers I would bring shame to my family." The dude got out of the Navy and went right into the FBI. I remember the FBI coming onboard my ship with him and asking our command some questions about they guy/interviews etc. Briefly I asked my old shipmate what's going on and he said the FBI picked him up for some program and I would probably never hear from him again. He disappeared after that and none of us that were close with him can find the fucking guy. It's been over 10 years, It's like he disappeared.

[–]Mikofthewat 5ポイント6ポイント  (4子コメント)

As a former Corpsman, I'll upvote this.

Marines in general are some of the most batshit insane idiots you'll never want to deal with. I fuckin love them all.

[–]TetrisArmada 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Uhh Doc.. I uh.. am a heat casualty and.. umm.. I need you to put the.. silver bullet.. inside.. of me.. yeah.

Oh that doggone heat! Always making me drop trousers for my docs.

[–]justintimess 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

My best friend was and still is my corpsman!

[–]VoodooAK [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

And we love our docs just as much!

[–]xMisterShushx [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Thank you. We worked hard to earn that reputatuion. :-)

[–]Imasad 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

A lot of people are resentful towards anyone with power (military, athletes, etc)

[–]devil_dog_0341 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Same here devil dog. Same here.

[–]Chappellshow27 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Somebody likes to be super motto with that name.... I type this in my room, full of hatred. Enjoy your day, brother!

[–]devil_dog_0341 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Haha! yeah, it was available...why not. I like your though. I saw Dave Chappelle while I was stationed in camp pendleton. Im going to see him again next month!

[–]IForgotatowel -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

Holy shit, all the flavors in the world and the commenters chose to be salty. Damn man, I'll just say thanks for your service.

[–]justintimess 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's all good, I'll survive the hate. Thanks though!

[–]wulfguitar 78ポイント79ポイント  (6子コメント)

"The United States Marines are a bunch of hard dick dragon slayers and my biggest regret is not joining their ranks."

  • Napoleon Bonaparte

[–]iwanttobe_thrownaway 15ポイント16ポイント  (3子コメント)

Watching that hard charger slay that dragon was what made me join.

[–]mycoplasma69 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

My platoon at boot took three tries to kill the dragon. Lost a lot of good guys that day :(.

[–]wulfguitar 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

We gonna light a candle tonight

[–]iwanttobe_thrownaway 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

That'll happen Double D. Don't worry, though they are dead they will live on forever. Through the corps.

[–]DarkBeatz [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

The United states Army is the heavyweight military force which had the most effective and powerful infantry team in the world. The United States Army has all the Major Special operations and the best training.

[–]Holysinz [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

The United States Army has all the Major Special operations and the best training.

SEALS, SWIC, EOD and new school IT/ computer special warfare NAVIDFOR are not part of the Army. Physical warfare is going the way of the dodo. Also the Marines are part of the Navy.

[–]FiftyCals 23ポイント24ポイント  (2子コメント)

I always thought people that enjoy documentaries leaned toward the more intellectual side of the house. Then I read the comments in this thread.

[–]wulfguitar 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Looks like ISIS has their own version of the 25 cent party.

[–]Indenturedsavant 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

This sub has some great posts but the comment section always ends up this way. What I've come to realize is that we have a lot of anti-government tinfoil hatters in this sub. The only thing they hate more than marines are steal beams that melt.

[–]mycoplasma69 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

Holy shit. The DI getting the recruits off the bus is my old company guns from Iraq, Gunny Finger. Cuban guy. Funny as hell. Talked like scarface and spent most of his free time throwing knives at things.

[–]Tungurbooty [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

you forgot masturbating to shitty porn you scored off a dude in the open air market in Ramadi for a pack of skittles, an MRE pound cake, and a pack of Parliament 100's. More people than you are Marines who deployed ... Lol

[–]Saget_My_Bob 30ポイント31ポイント  (2子コメント)

Jeez, the neckbeards are having a field day whining about the military.

[–]iwanttobe_thrownaway 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

Soon enough they'll go back to critiquing woman on the internet.

[–]UnAmerican_Idol 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

This subreddit has tons of racist conspiracy theory garbage on the front page every day. The users froma ll those subreddits end up here.

[–]disn 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KtyMcb86go

[–]Zwingo1 11ポイント12ポイント  (2子コメント)

Jesus Christ all the people saying "don't join the military" and acting like you are horrible if you join up. Here are a few points from someone who is not and has not been enlisted. First off even if you don't agree with the fight you should be thankful for the volunteers because WITHOUT VOLUNTEERS THE GOVERNMENT COULD TURN BACK TO DRAFTING AND THEN YPU WOULD HAVE TO DO WHAT YOU HATE. Second not every one who enlists does so because they "want to kill" or do evil shit like that. When I made an attempt at joining the marines (DQ'd for being a dumbass earlier in life) I met a lot of people going in to different branches who were going in for the health benefits, to be able to support their family, to be able to go to college to have a better life. And a lot of those people didn't even agree with the war but it's the only means they had to get where they needed to go. It's also not as easy as everyone seems to think around here to get in. They literally found one scar on my arm and they sent me to a psych check up to ensure I did not have depression or any other mental problems. All in all here is no point getting mad at the people who sign up unless they are saying to your face I like killing and I'm racist. Don't get pissed at people just because they chose that job. There are lots of reasons to take it and you most likely don't know their reasons.

[–]fickle_fuck 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Personally, joining was the best thing I could do as a dumbshit 18 year old kid with no direction in life. I got in shape, got to travel, had a great time with some great people. Leaving and going to college was also one of the best things I did with my life as well (which couldn't have been done without enlisting).

[–]YoMamaIsSoFatThat [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

THE GOVERNMENT COULD TURN BACK TO DRAFTING AND THEN YPU WOULD HAVE TO DO WHAT YOU HATE.

Nah. I'd just sing a bar of Alice's Restaurant.

[–]JnnyRuthless 5ポイント6ポイント  (5子コメント)

Saw this one a while ago and felt like it was pretty lightweight as far as USMC documentaries go. Maybe worth a watch if you've got some spare time though, but not a lot of depth here.

[–]mycoplasma69 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

agree, Full Metal Jacket is much better Marine documentary

[–]JnnyRuthless 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

What did you think of Jarhead? A lot of people liked it but I have mixed feelings. Generation Kill seems to capture the ethos a bit better than most.

[–]mycoplasma69 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

jarhead is meh...gen kill is my favorite

[–]xMisterShushx [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Fucking Ray Person. Gyrene of the decade in my humble opinion.

[–]guy-le-dooshTop Commentor 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Except for the fact the bootcamp in the movie looks like bingo night at a retirement home compared to the real thing. You really don't know until you've been.

[–]ImADouchebagTop Contributor 3ポイント4ポイント  (22子コメント)

Only a few minutes in, but this just looks like propaganda.

[–]iwanttobe_thrownaway 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It is.

[–]wulfguitar -3ポイント-2ポイント  (20子コメント)

Username fits.

[–]ImADouchebagTop Contributor 2ポイント3ポイント  (18子コメント)

How? How is it douchy to point out propaganda?

[–]IronMaiden571Top Contributor -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Don't criticize the military guise!

[–]LolUniversity 2ポイント3ポイント  (28子コメント)

I was in the marines. Let me tell you something - the purpose of much of the training is not to harden you up into this adaptable battle-capable being; the purpose of the training is to teach you the level or harm that you can inflict upon others, and to alleviate the inhibitions in exacting that harm. There is a reason why the stereotype of the abusive marine exists, and it's because most are fundamentally turned into savages and given a license to be as such. When they are released from service, there is no "training" to go back and be a socially adjusted person. You commonly hear of "oh the training, it's a switch that they turn on, but they don't tell you how to turn it off." Well, that's why.

[–]Gray_side_Jedi 25ポイント26ポイント  (15子コメント)

Former Marine infantry, as in I just got out a year ago: you are partially right. We are trained to kill, when the situation calls for it. However, above all else we were trained to keep our heads, stay calm when the world was going to hell around us, and execute good judgement throughout. We were never "turned into savages"...a bunch of young men with bad haircuts and a fondness for nicotine, cute girls, and energy drinks, but never savages. And we were never given a "license" to act like "savages" - we had a litany of Rules of Engagement that we stuck to religiously, even in combat. We learned the level of harm we could inflict, yes - but only in a progression, also known as "escalation of force". As in, when I was deployed and a kid threw a rock at us, I didn't shoot him in the face, I smiled and waved. However, if someone shot at us, we returned fire in as accurate a manner as possible, unlike the spray-and-pray of our enemies who would hose down everything in the grid square, innocents be damned. We conducted kinetic operations, yes; we also vaccinated kids and livestock, distributed food and water, and passed out enough soccer balls to run a World Cup.

When I got out, it was an adjustment, yes. I also sat through weeks worth of transitioning classes that were designed to help with adjusting to civilian life. Because a lot of kids coming out of the Corps don't know how to register for college classes or build a resume. But I hardly sit on the DC Metro every day thinking about fragging everyone in the car with me...mostly I worry about my next grad school class and paying the bills and figuring out someplace cool to take my girlfriend on a date next weekend.

So please, from a former grunt who's tired of all this "Marines are knuckle-dragging savages" being spouted - shut the ever-living fuck up.

[–]devil_dog_0341 4ポイント5ポイント  (7子コメント)

hoorah devil, same thoughts exactly.

[–]Gray_side_Jedi 4ポイント5ポイント  (4子コメント)

Typical mortars, late to the party... :D

[–]TetrisArmada 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

POG here, only 2 hours and 31 minutes late to the party. Logistically sounds about right if you ask me.

[–]Gray_side_Jedi 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yeah, but you guys have to cool gear and expedite paperwork. I rarely ever mocked the POGs. Y'all are very useful in your own ways.

[–]TetrisArmada [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

This warms my heart :)

Unsurprisingly, I'm happy to be a POG. Every MOS and every unit has their own share of idiots running the show, but as far as down-to-earth people go they seem to mostly be in POG units. It's one thing to embrace being a POG and it's a whole another thing when you have arty guys claiming they're practically infantry because they're a combat MOS.

[–]devil_dog_0341 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Lmao!, have an upvote.. I chuckled. hey at least im no 60mm.

[–]theyllneverknow_ -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

hoorah? is this a case of stolen internet valor?

[–]AmericanYidGunner 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Great write up, man. Thank you for your service.

[–]Gray_side_Jedi 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It was my pleasure. And normally I don't bother arguing with stupid on the Internet, but the guy I replied to up there touched a nerve. Glad my write-up was at least reasonably coherent. Cheers

[–]jack2454 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Do you miss it?

[–]xMisterShushx [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Semper Fi.

[–]PM_YOUR_BOOBS_PLS_ 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

We conducted kinetic operations

I hope you realize the irony of using that phrase in response to someone saying you are trained to be able to kill without thinking. Those are the exact types of phrases they use to get you into the mindset of killing.

"Kinetic operations" doesn't sound nearly as bad as "killing people". It reduces the mental weight of your actions. It is a very deliberate use of words.

Such actions might very well be justified, but call it what it is. Killing.

[–]Gray_side_Jedi 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Get over the semantics. We shot at people who had done terrible things and were shooting at us. And we conducted more humanitarian missions than missions where we killed people, to be blunt and appease you. No one wants to talk about the schools we opened or all the medical services we delivered, the good things that occupied most of our time. Instead, people want to talk about the few times where we went after evil men who had the blood of innocents on their hands. Our main goal was to capture them alive, but some of them didn't feel like going quietly. That's the nature of war. But thinking we're a bunch of bloodthirsty, brainwashed automatons when you have precisely no experience personally with what we're discussing shows you as asinine and self-righteous. "Kinetic" implies a more aggressive style of operation in which shooting is expected. We're not assassins.

[–]PM_YOUR_BOOBS_PLS_ 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm not denying anything you said. I'm just pointing out those words are selected very carefully, and their entire purpose is to make you think less about what you are actually doing when you pull the trigger.

[–]Ellocomotive 23ポイント24ポイント  (7子コメント)

I was also in the Marines, and find your statement ridiculous. I agree with the fact that transitioning back to civilian life is very difficult-it was the hardest thing I've ever done, but to say that the training's main purpose is to lower your inhibitions is a silly notion.

[–]0311Top Contributor 5ポイント6ポイント  (5子コメント)

I don't agree with him, either, but teaching you to be violent is important. Bringing out aggression and teaching Marines to respond with a violence of action is a core component of infantry training, whether it is specifically outlined or not.

On Killing is a great book to read on the subject if you haven't already (I believe it is/was on the Commandant's reading list).

[–]Ellocomotive [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Completely agree with you, just pointing out we're not mindless automatons. Makes me wonder if this guy is actually a Marine.

[–]wulfguitar 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

Which commandant?

[–]0311Top Contributor 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Hagee if I had to guess, but I don't really remember.

[–]wulfguitar 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Salty.

[–]0311Top Contributor 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yut.

EDIT: For anyone civilians that do not understand, /u/wulfguitar was referencing how long ago I was in the Marine Corps with his comment, not trying to say that I'm upset about something. Someone's "saltiness" in the military generally refers to how "salty" or worn their camouflage uniforms are. The longer you've been in, the more you've sweat in them. And "yut" is basically "Fuckin' A" in this context.

[–]skweekyTop Contributor 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I agree with you, The training is designed to make you do what is necessary without a second thought(in the heat of the moment at least), Not turn you into a savage.

[–]BarfRealiTop Contributor 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

One commenter on youtube has the exact opposite view:

"This would be a better country if every misguided kid in America with no vision or goals went and joined the Marine Corps. I think the Marines could correct the culture."

[–]xMisterShushx 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Then you learned a completely different way of life and culture than I have in the Corps.

[–]asdacdxfe 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

When they are released from service, there is no "training" to go back and be a socially adjusted person.

We've been at war for over a decade. The experiences of peace time POG are not relevant today.

[–]dontaxmebro 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't believe you were a Marine. I think you are just a typical Reddit liberal catering to the antimilitary sentiment. If you were infact a Marine you should know that Marine corps training does not take away your humanity. Marine Corps needs disciplined professional soldiers not abusive savages. before my discharge, I had to attend mandatory classes to help me reintegrate back to the civilian life.

[–]gunnybears 0ポイント1ポイント  (6子コメント)

Marines are fucking awesome. IDGAF what you anti-war redditors with your stupid ass world views think about it. Fuck you, and good luck asking for peace with a mouth full of ISIS dick. Bring the downvotes! Semper Killing!

[–]wulfguitar 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

You have been made moderator of /r/MURICA

[–]ExoneratedOne 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ooo-oo-ah-ah-ah-ah bangs on chest

[–]ioswarrior67 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (3子コメント)

I don't get the down votes for this. Must be alooot of liberals using reddit today, cause we can't have morals anymore.

[–]MrUnnderhill 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think it was the way he said it more than the sentiment itself.

[–]guy-le-dooshTop Commentor [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I downvoted him as a former Marine. He does not speak for the Corps, and his mentality rejects everything about our core values.

[–]gunnybears 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Reddit is full of them. I'm a democrat. I support Obama and I'm a veteran. But, hot damn! There are some extremist liberals on this site. They are as annoying as the far-repubs they continue to criticize.

[–]NotTheFirstOfUs 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

*The US Marines

[–]signingupagain [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

Thank you for saying this. The US Marines are neither the only nor the first marine corp in the world. It's not appropriate to say "the" anything without qualifying the country on an international website such as this.

[–]FootbaII [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

First of all the documentary is called "The Marines." So, why should the OP change the name of the documentary in their post? Second, The documentary is made by PBS (an American channel) for an American audience. So, why should they not call the documentary "The Marines?"

When you're in France, what do you say? Call the cops? Or Call the French cops?

[–]signingupagain [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

"The Marines" (US).

Disambiguation is not a new concept, or a radical one. It's typically used when a word or phrase has more than one association.

When you're in France, what do you say? Call the cops? Or Call the French cops?

In France, the cops. On an international website talking about what I just did, I'd say I called French police.

[–]FootbaII [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Okay, I must admit I thought your argument was worse than it actually is. However, I still don't agree with it. I think this is a complete no-issue.

What do you think the websites etc write when they talk about the movie "Independence Day"? See IMDB: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0116629/ . They write "Independence Day" not "Independence Day (US)"

[–]PvtQuarterdeck 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

In the 7 ton right now after a week long field op. Sucked so much dick but you can't argue with being turret gunner with a 240

[–]nerv_gas [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

The interviewees seem to be over protective from the get-go. Stating that they are all intellectuals and work by a code of morals. You can't make blanket statement's like that whether they are positive or negative in my opinion. As Justinimess says, every group has its bad apples.

[–]51centWithBiggier [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Thank you for flying with bin laden air lines. Next stop New York

[–]Smithero39 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Guy at :56 was my 1st Sgt. Such a dick. Came from the drill field...nuff said.

[–]jack2454 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I would like to see a documentary on military and the psychology behind it.

Edit: I would like to say that i support the Marines. I just want a documentary that looks at most of the military in the world.

[–]carbolicsmoke [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

My weird Reddit pet peeve is when people (or here, the documentary voice-over) describe the USMC as the smallest military service. I then feel the need to point out that, in fact, the U.S. Coast Guard is the smallest military service, by several orders of magnitude (42K active duty coast guardsmen, as opposed to 194K active duty marines).

Then invariable someone on Reddit argues that the Coast Guard is not really a military service. And then I point out how the other person is factually incorrect. And it basically goes downhill from there.

[–]HineniJW -3ポイント-2ポイント  (3子コメント)

Wasn't a fan of this one, it's basically Marine porn for former/current Marines and their grandmothers.

It boiled down to, "Yes, we have an Army, and a Navy, and an Air Force, but this is why it's so important we have a Navy's Army that also has its own Air Force! OORAH!"

Of course, the Marine Corps helped pay for it, so...

[–]dontaxmebro 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

For quick global deployments, diplomatic security and counter terrorism? I do acknowledge that the Marine Corps lost its usefulness as an amphibious force now.

[–]HineniJW -3ポイント-2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Those are all things the Army does. The Marine Corps are a redundant service. My Marine friends acknowledge as much. The Marines exist because the American people and the budget makers in Congress want it to, not because we need it. In most battle plans, (take a look at Desert Storm and OIF, particularly the 2003 invasion) the Corps is an auxiliary force for the US Army.

[–]guy-le-dooshTop Commentor [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

There's the rub. We were capable of launching an amphibious assault to start the Persian Gulf War, so Schwarzkopf was able to distract Iraqi forces towards the sea while doing and end run around them. The threat was enough. Empty ships sailing around the gulf allegedly full of maniacs who had to kill one of their parents just to sign up (propaganda, rumor) did the job.

[–]DownGoesGoodman -3ポイント-2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Go Army beat Navy

[–]franksbank 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

You got a lot of nerve there pal

[–]BlackMoss -4ポイント-3ポイント  (2子コメント)

look its the state that sanctions this -- i.e. you and me. War is by definition the breakdown in civil society, so always in war bad people (and often good people) end up doing terrible things, but we're all to blame.

[–]dontaxmebro 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

actually war is a characteristic of the civil society. Especially when you have a volunteer military.

[–]BlackMoss -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

true enough, but i was more referring to what happens in settings of war as compared to ordered civilian states.

[–]jdblaich -4ポイント-3ポイント  (1子コメント)

A recruiting propaganda video if I ever saw one.

One guy stated that quitting was endemic so they don't want them if they quit. If they quit they don't get a second chance ans it is endemic. That sounds to me like they are quitting on the quitters. That's endemic.

[–]DownGoesGoodman [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Top Gun was a huge recruitment video. The Navy had a huge surge of enlistments after that movie released iirc.

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