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[–]Raiden_GekkouFecal Baron [スコア非表示]  (12子コメント)

I even had someone look me in the face and say if you were really her friend you'd have dated her because she IS A WOMAN.

Yep, because that's the only reason to date people. Personality and lifestyle don't mean shit I guess.

[–]PhysicsIsMyMistress [スコア非表示]  (11子コメント)

I don't understand why there's this subset of SJWs who want to control who other people date. It's really creepy and wrong.

[–]slvrbullet87 [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

Isn't one of the biggest tenants of the the LBGT movement that people are attracted to who they are attracted to, and they should date/love/marry who they want?

[–]strangersdk1 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Right? It's not transphobic to not want to date a transperson - that would be incredibly entitled thinking.

[–]cdstephensMore than you'd think, but less than you'd hope [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Well it would be considered biphobic to not want to date someone for being bi (which is a big problem for bi people who try to date straight or gay people). So I think it's a little more complicated than that.

The thing is that attraction or unattraction because of race, sexuality, or trans status is not the same degree as attraction to specific genders that one could call it a sexuality. That's why there's a discussion that can be had.

[–]NorwegianWood28Isn't it good? [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

People get really worked up over transgender stuff.

This is exactly the kind of judgmental, rude attitude that pisses other people off even when they want to support the sentiment behind it. OP has supported sister coming out, OP supported friend who recently became trans. It's pretty fucking easy to circlejerk all over the use of pronouns as some sort of sign of deep internalized transphobia or laziness when in reality it takes people a while to adjust, the same way that after someone close to you has died, sometimes you say and write about them in present tense instead of past tense.

I have to agree with this. It's one thing being transphobic, and one thing to mess up with the pronouns.

[–]cdstephensMore than you'd think, but less than you'd hope [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

If it's accidental then it's being misinformed. Awareness of what it means to be trans is a big issue, and if someone in your life comes out as trans that's a pretty big change all of a sudden. If it's deliberate that's when it becomes transphobic.

[–]ttumblrbots [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

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[–]Kyom(Le)terally SRD[S] [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Something something HOIST because /r/relationships mods always delete/lock the threads that get linked here.

[–]OrangeAdventureSJW cabal bro hug ༼ つ ͡° ͜ʖ ͡° ༽つ [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

Dudette is a transphobic slur? That's news to me, It's always been used around me as just the feminine version of dude.

[–]Beanmelter [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

In the context of talking about a trans person, it's definitely not a good term to use. Using it any other way is fine though.

[–]solquin [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Yeah it definitely has the feel of a dog whistle: plausibly inoffensive, but also plausibly offensive, depending on how you interpret it. Thus, the user gets to malign the people he doesn't like, but also claim he never meant to use that interpretation if called on it. But I dunno. If the OP is being forthright and his trans friend does back him, then it is possible that he is just naive and tone deaf on trans issues, but doesn't harbor any real ill will.

[–]awesomemanftwmagical girl brenda [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

I'm mtf as well and people not being attracted to you is just a fact of life that we really can't hate anyone else for. Can't help what you're attracted to. OP's friends are just assholes/idiots

[–]grossgoose [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

the drama is no fun when it's just one person getting downvoted to hell

[–]Statoke [スコア非表示]  (21子コメント)

Do these people ever thing how badly they hurt their cause by doing this shit? A couple of slip ups and you call the person transphobic is a great way to get people pissed off with you and dismiss you and your cause.

[–]Galle_ [スコア非表示]  (20子コメント)

Transphobia is definitely at play in a lot of dating choices and trans folk are entirely justified in feeling that this is unfair.

On the other hand, that doesn't mean you're allowed to start blaming individual people and trying to guilt them into sex.

[–]Wraptor_ [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

Since when is dating about fairness?

[–]Beanmelter [スコア非表示]  (14子コメント)

Transphobia is definitely at play in a lot of dating choices and trans folk are entirely justified in feeling that this is unfair.

It's not transphobic to not want to date a trans person...

[–]nbslectorYou can't run the gay out of you [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Wow, we got that bonus Pao drama in there too. OP is building up that combo pretty fast.

[–]EriksterVP of the Banhammer [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Shit, is it just my browser or do we need to add /r/relationships to our NP exception list?

[–]Comcrif [スコア非表示]  (14子コメント)

Have no problem with trans people , but would not date them. I am attracted to women and no mental gymnastics will make me believe MtF is 100% women. Nope/10

[–]Ode_to_the_Damned/r/SubredditDramamine [スコア非表示]  (10子コメント)

While you are under no obligation to date a trans person, I really don't think you can say this

Have no problem with trans people...

and then follow it up with this

...no mental gymnastics will make me believe MtF is 100% women.

[–]pubicdeer [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I have no problem with trans people officially identifying with whatever they want on paper to provide them equal legal rights and protection, nor do I have a problem addressing them with whatever pronouns they wish out of courtesy, but for the purpose of dating, has penis is not 100% women. It's not a deal breaker for me and I think for most guys that's as reasonable a comprise as the trans community can hope for. In the bedroom, most guys only see sex not gender (forgive pun).

[–]Beanmelter [スコア非表示]  (8子コメント)

I mean, I'm not defending him, but those two statements don't really contradict each other.

[–]Galle_ [スコア非表示]  (7子コメント)

Not accepting that transwomen are women is generally considered to be a problem with trans people.

[–]Beanmelter [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

He's basically saying 'I don't agree with your beliefs, but you have every right to them'. He doesn't have a problem with trans people, he just doesn't agree with them. Just like how I don't have a problem with Mormons, but I don't agree with them.

[–]Galle_ [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

Surely you at least agree with Mormons that they're Mormons, though, right?

[–]Gary_Oldman_AMA [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Well, I guess I will allow myself to get my internet points wrecked today,

I think the mormon comparison isn't exactly valid because nobody is biolgically born Mormon. I personally believe that anybody should be able to live by whatever gender identity they choose, but there is a difference between having a gender identity (and having procedures done to make your body fit the identity that you have), and being born with a set of chromosomes, being capable of sexual reproduction with the opposite sex, etc. Wishing the latter to be so doesn't make it so.

So, while I will say that someone born male should be perfectly free to have a female identity, alter their body to fit that identity, live out that identity, and pursue whatever relationships best fit their sense of gender identity/sexuality (and have that choice be respected/not be ostracized by society for it), I don't think that it is wrong to say that that person isn't 100 percent female or male in the strictly biological sense.

[–]Beanmelter [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Sure, and I'm sure that he believes that a trans woman is a trans woman.

[–]Comcrif [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It's more like i have no problem with Christians accepting Jesus as God , but I'm not a Christian and Jesus is a man for me , regardless if Jesus thought he was a God and if Christians refer to him as god to me Jesus is not god.

[–]Wraptor_ [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Yeah..... No.

Date whoever you want, but transwomen are women.

[–]kangaesugi [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

The good news is that no mental gymnastics are required. It's more of a mental "walk out of one door, straight down a short corridor and into the door at the end" kind of deal. Trans women are women, trans men are men. They know themselves and their identity better than you do.