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Voat is a misogynistic shitfest. (self.Voat)

gingersaucemasta が 投稿

I invite you to see for yourself:

The same article on reddit:

https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/3hdm0c/they_rape_us_we_kill_them_yazidi_singer_forms/

And here is the same thing being posted on Voat:

https://voat.co/v/news/comments/424101/1884203

Notice how the top comment is a sneaky attack on women in the West and reads just like something a Red Piller would say.

Notice the difference in quality of comments on the two sites.

One (Reddit) where people actually talk about the topic, the geopolitics, the region.

The other spends the majority of the time talking about how women are bad.

What a load of shit.

If you want Voat to be good, this can't go on forever. We need feminists, feminist sympathizers and supporters and hell, even SJWs to start migrating over and swing things back into balance. It is a disgusting Red Pill shitshow right now.

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[–]nerfAvari 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

no balance please. Just stay right here

[–]puddlewonderfuls 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

You're right to point out the difference in discussions around gender issues, but its not something that is likely to change. Its part of the Voat package.

There just isn't a free speech platform anymore for feminists to engage. It was Reddit and still is if you want to support the parent company, but its not Voat. /v/feminism has had decent discussion but not a lot of traffic, and other small subs like /v/forwomen and /v/secretladies are attempts to also generate gender discussions and skate around anti-SJW brigading (not that the topics support censorship, but they tend to lead to aggressive outsiders and witch hunting.)

The community just doesn't want those topics around because it means they may be "infected" with an SRS brigade. Everything tends to go directly to an extreme. I wish r/menslib had a counter part on Voat to show gender discussion isn't just an "SJW cunt thing" like the hive mind is inclined to believe.

[–]GO_WILD_AND_PM_ME 3ポイント4ポイント  (9子コメント)

Voat is still figuring itself out. Right now it has an above average amount of racists, fat haters, misogynists etc etc but if it gains popularity they'll get marginalised as they do everywhere else in society. It's just a question of if it's actually going to gain popularity or not, it's small enough now that these people have a significant voice and that voice may stop it from expanding too much further. Or reddit might shit the bed again and there'll be a mass migration that isn't just racists and random hate filled people.

[–]gingersaucemasta[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (8子コメント)

It looks like things are about to get a lot worse:

https://voat.co/v/ideasforvoat/comments/425476

Anyways, we are thinking about ways we can fix moderation problems (social problem) once and for all (for example, have the community moderate Voat by taking "delete" feature away form moderators and giving it to the users) but this will take some time (6 months? a year?) to develop and experiment with before launching it site-wide. In the meantime, the clock is ticking...

LOL. Not only can new users not vote down the garbage, leaving the racist, sexist malcontents entrenched on the site, but now they're thinking of taking away the only balance of power there is.

[–]GO_WILD_AND_PM_ME 3ポイント4ポイント  (7子コメント)

All the "moderation should be democratic" cries the crazy SJW-haters are doing now just seems doomed to failure to me. There's simply no way that I can think of such a system could work online that wouldn't be open to crazy amounts of abuse. Suddenly mods can be voted in and out and 4chan or whoever decide they're going to fuck with popular subs and vote out the good mods and replace them with trolls of their own. Don't like the politics of a mod even if their moderation is fine? Gather all your likeminded idiots together and wait for the right moment then just vote them out and replace them with a useless idiot moderator who has politics you like.

The lunatics are running the asylum a little bit but the fact they're putting vague timelines and being noncommital makes me suspect the staff know this shit can't work or at least haven't figured out a way it could yet.

[–]frankenmine 0ポイント1ポイント  (6子コメント)

Requiring certain activity metrics from users would solve naive brigading attacks.

[–]GO_WILD_AND_PM_ME 1ポイント2ポイント  (5子コメント)

Naive ones, yes, but it would be fairly trivial to get past those too it would just make it a little more time consuming.

The closest middle ground I can think of that might work would be when there is a larger team of mods then the mods can vote each other in and out of power. This way the idiot masses can't abuse the system but a mod who is holding on to power for the sake of power when they aren't wanted can still be deposed if the other mods aren't on their side.

[–]frankenmine -2ポイント-1ポイント  (4子コメント)

it would be fairly trivial

No. It is certainly not trivial to participate for months and earn hundreds of SCP+CCP across hundreds or thousands of accounts. It would be a nearly-impenetrable barrier to any large-scale brigade. You couldn't automate it.

[–]GO_WILD_AND_PM_ME 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

It would depend on sub size and the conditions you required. In something like AskReddit if an equivalent sized sub appeared on Voat yes it would be very difficult to automate such a thing if the criteria were sensible but in communities the size voat is at now you could absolutely automate it or simply swing the vote enough in your favour by getting a large organised group together.

The only way you could really prevent this would be by making the barrier for voting very high and difficult to achieve but by doing this you're creating an upper class of users with all the power and that comes with it's own host of problems.

[–]frankenmine -5ポイント-4ポイント  (2子コメント)

No, you couldn't automate it. You might be able to generate a large number of accounts and have them subscribe to every subverse that exists, to get around the seniority requirement, but you couldn't get those accounts to all attain an SCP+CCP total in the sub. That would require generating valuable content programmatically. That's a difficult AI question. It's non-trivial.

Besides, even if such a thing is possible, it's clearly much more difficult than waiting for the head mod to go inactive, which is what we want. We want to make it very difficult, if not impossible, to overtake subs, and this does exactly that.

Thank you for helping me make my case to an incontrovertible degree by constantly questioning it. I couldn't have done it without you. I appreciate it.

[–]GO_WILD_AND_PM_ME 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Thank you for helping me make my case to an incontrovertible degree

I don't know what to say to that except 'lol'. If you think you've found the perfect system and it can't be denied I'll just leave you to go push on and make it a reality then. No point continuing debate against the incontrovertible now is there.

[–]frankenmine -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Perfect solution fallacy.

It's incontrovertibly much better than the alternative of keeping things as is. That's what counts.

[–]ColoradoJustice 2ポイント3ポイント  (13子コメント)

We need feminists, feminist sympathizers and supporters and hell, even SJWs to start migrating over and swing things back into balance. It is a disgusting Red Pill shitshow right now.

Why?

Voat is what is already... it isn't just for misogynists, it's also for pedophiles and racists.

All types of haters who mask themselves as "freedom lovers" -- They love the freedom to abuse anyone who they please.

The systems is created to downvote anyone who disagrees with this (when I defended feminism my CCP points went from 400 positive to -500 in one morning; simply for using the dictionary to repeating what is the basic definition of feminism)

[–]bennjammin 2ポイント3ポイント  (7子コメント)

The systems is created to downvote anyone who disagrees with this (when I defended feminism my CCP points went from 400 positive to -500 in one morning;

"Free speech" unless you step out of line then you get buried. You also need to appeal to this community to have a fully functional account now. One of my accounts was destroyed by this and it wasn't even one I was trying to test the limits on. I made some two sentence comment that I didn't even think had a point in it and got my profile burned to -25 from 150 or so. Then I went to another verse and commented something unrelated and it was downvoted to -5 with no responses.

[–]ColoradoJustice 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Precisely.

That's been my experience too.

It's an echo-chamber -- where if you don't agree with the majority, you get punished for it.

[–]puddlewonderfuls 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

They're brigading. Its really clear, particularly in what's left of askvoat. So much is down voated for no apparent reason only to stifle engagement. Classic SJW technique.

[–]bennjammin 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

When the site was whoaverse and turned into Voat I had a bunch of alts on there. I started using the alts after people started signing up more as a way to gauge the community and see if there was any productive interests or niches I could create some subverses to appeal to because original content is the heart of an online community. Needless to say I gave up.

[–]gingersaucemasta[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

Bennjamin how does it feel being a true original Whoaverser that got your reddit alternative taken away from you?

[–]bennjammin 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

I was using it as its own thing here and there but never really got into it fully, now it's a hopeless self-obsessed circlejerk :(.

[–]puddlewonderfuls 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Is there another community you've considered joining? I would be on board with a 3rd option born out of this Voat bs. Free speech with a reasonable crowd is all I want, but I guess the crazies are the only ones concerned anymore.

[–]bennjammin 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I actually still use forums for a lot of things. They're kind of behind in terms of usability but I find the communities are a lot better than the "one community fits all" sites like reddit. I like how the older and really helpful users on forums are well respected and people don't just jump in threads for karma or posting for the sake of posting. When you post in a forum thread there's a practical purpose for doing so.

[–]gingersaucemasta[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

The very same thing happened yesterday to a moderator that a bunch of Voaters were witch hunting because she was perceived as being too SJWish. Went from around 2000 CCP to -250 CCP or so.

Why? Voat is what is already... it isn't just for misogynists, it's also for pedophiles and racists.

So it stands a chance of becoming a normal regular website that is actually representative of the general population. That way it can compete with reddit and actually be a real alternative.

It'll be better for us in the end because we will be able to choose which service we want to use, and reddit itself won't have a monopoly on regular intellectual discussions.

But I'm okay with watching it burn too.

I thought I disliked reddit's structural flaws, but Voat's demographic problems are way worse.

[–]ColoradoJustice 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

So it stands a chance of becoming a normal regular website that is actually representative of the general population. That way it can compete with reddit and actually be a real alternative.

I think you just described why it cannot; the platform doesn't allow for it (it allows for massive comment downvoting AKA: poor programming against malicious intent)

As you so clearly described:

a moderator that a bunch of Voaters were witch hunting because she was perceived as being too SJWish. Went from around 2000 CCP to -250 CCP or so.

It'll be better for us in the end because we will be able to choose which service we want to use, and reddit itself won't have a monopoly on regular intellectual discussions.

If you want to have an "intellectual discussion" with a pedophile/racist/misogynist/Voat-Brigaders, be my guest (not sure if you can tell, but I'm not a fan of their users at this point).

But I'm okay with watching it burn too.

Be careful watching things burn, lest you be caught up in the inferno.

I thought I disliked reddit's structural flaws, but Voat's demographic problems are way worse.

My experience is the same; times a thousand.

[–]EIMR -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

No, we love the freedom to not have our opinions censored. Of course racists and pedophiles like that, but they are not the only ones.

[–]ColoradoJustice 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

No, we love the freedom to not have our opinions censored.

Except by a mob of racist/pedophile/misogynists who voat-brigade anyone they disagree with... that's the worse kind of censorship.

A tyranny of the majority.

Of course racists and pedophiles like that, but they are not the only ones.

Yea, there's also misogynists and rapists, as well as other folks who like to abuse their power.

[–]EIMR -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Except by a mob of racist/pedophile/misogynists who voat-brigade anyone they disagree with... that's the worse kind of censorship.
True, a few retards don't really understand free speech, but that's just concentrated to the v/askvoat drama. The rest of the site is nice, and even AskVoat is going well right now.

Well, there are also here at Reddit. There we let them stay in their little hate communities and when they go outside, they are respectful or get demolished by logic.
And probably the misogynism you see is because of SJW hate, most there respect women. It's just that the community is wary of a "hostile invasion", and lash out, though that has mostly died.

[–]TouchMyTooter 1ポイント2ポイント  (7子コメント)

Why do you care? I'm confused. Don't go there then? Nobody is holding a gun to your head or force feeding you their content.

I'll never understand ones desire to worry or dictate things that honestly don't effect them in the slightest.

Seriously your account is 14 days old. Hows about you enjoy all the good things reddit has to offer, before you go around sanctimoniously deciding whats best for some other site?

[–]bennjammin 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'll never understand ones desire to worry or dictate things that honestly don't effect them in the slightest.

This is like 99% the problem with the Voat community's obsession with SJW for me. That along with the racism is why I don't use it much anymore and just kind of check in every day to see how things are going. Also I do most of my redditing at work and don't feel comfortable browsing Voat from work.

Why do you care? I'm confused. Don't go there then? Nobody is holding a gun to your head or force feeding you their content.

Why care about anything? Just like OP I used to use it more and now I don't and those are my reasons for not using it as much. I don't see how it's abnormal that people are discussing a website and have different opinions about it.

[–]gingersaucemasta[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

I've been on the other site longer than you have probably, unless you're Atko himself.

I care because I want reddit to have competition.

I post about it because I can.

This account is 14 days old because I made it just for this.

Any more concerns?

[–]TouchMyTooter -4ポイント-3ポイント  (4子コメント)

You're the only one who seems to have concerns.

Congrats on being on that site a long time. Thats really neat.

[–]ethansdaddy07 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

He/she is not the only one with concerns.

[–]gingersaucemasta[S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

It was going great until shitheads like you showed up.

[–]Coffeelol 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

You're the only one who seems to have concerns.

I share his concerns.

[–]Teknodruid -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Absolutely right - please stay here on Reddit and circlejerk with the SJW's and beta males.

You will not be missed.