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[–]ShazzMichaels 21 points22 points  (2 children)

It's funny how unknowingly red pill my brother is who also happens to be special forces. So much so that my mother commented that he treats his girlfriend "like a daughter and like a child." It's also crazy how alpha his friends are. True men I look up to.

[–]Mengs87 1 point2 points  (1 child)

After all the shit he had to endure, I'm not surprised. Normal everyday life is trivial in comparison to IEDs & snipers.

[–]opvsdei[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yes agreed, beyond just the bullets and bombs, the whole atmosphere of a war zone is not something that can be replicated in civilian life without actually living in a war zone. If they went out there as boys, then they come home as men.

[–]Ronin11A 35 points36 points  (10 children)

Dave Castro, director of the CrossFit Games, was a SEAL for many years before he went full-time with CFHQ. There's a great interview in which he was asked about BUD/S and how he made it through.

His response was interesting. Castro used chow times as his yard lines. From the moment he woke up, his ONLY concern was making it to breakfast. He didn't think about how many more days he had, how far he had to go, or what his weekend plans were. The only thing in his world was breakfast. After breakfast, getting to lunch was all that mattered. After lunch, dinner. Rinse, and repeat, until one day he woke up and they were pinning a Trident on his chest.

That single-mindedness is insanely tough to develop, but all SOF guys have it. It's the one unifying characteristic.

[–]RedPill808 10 points11 points  (2 children)

It's an excellent example of using micro-goals to accomplish huge tasks. How do you eat an elephant? One bite at a time.

Use this in workouts all the time. "No sets less than 10".

[–]Bisuboy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yep, this is also what professional athletes do. They must not look any further than next match.

[–]Professor_Red 10 points11 points  (1 child)

This, a hundred times over. If I remember correctly Dick Couch's The Warrior Elite: Forging of SEAL class 228(highly recommended, even if you aren't planning to go into the SOF community) had some advice about how to get through hell week(or any highly stressful event). The main lesson was don't worry about how many more days you have left, worry about getting to the next evolution(exercise).

[–]TruthNotFeelings 10 points11 points  (2 children)

That mindset is what made basic training such a boring event for me. Basic is nothing, NOTHING close to what SF guys go through, but it still puts you so far out of your comfort zone that some cannot make it. Even most that do make it struggle the entire time because they do not know how to take it in stride.

[–]2 Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 12 points13 points  (1 child)

Basic was easy as fuck to me, mostly because what I grew up in was a thousand times worse. My first war (90-91) showed me what I'm going to do under massive stress. Push harder, keep moving, ignore the pain, and try to find something to eat. I was training for TACP when I got fucked up in 04 on what turned out to be my last deployment. My body was simply too old to fo the shit I did easily at 21. Three guys in basic wimped out. How fucking pathetic do you have to be to wimp out of USAF basic?

[–]TRP VanguardCyralea 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You're talking about a generation of men that wax their chest and need feminism so they can get a pegged. Colour me unsurprised.

[–]Polaris382 2 points3 points  (1 child)

This is something I need to work on I think, because I think it would be highly beneficial to me in many ways...and because Im so much the complete opposite. Always so focused on the destination instead of the journey required to actually get there.

[–]Mengs87 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I wouldn't say it's wrong to focused on the destination. There's only 1 destination for an operator in training: getting done.

Real life in a lot different: lots of different end destinations, not all of them good. You have to carefully reevaluate the destination in view of changing conditions. If circumstances change, then you have to change.

[–]trpftw 11 points12 points  (5 children)

Absolutely. The true alpha male is actually kinda based on the perfect man concept.

An SOF operator has to be able to be physically fit but he can't just be a dumbass. They read, they train, they learn, they improve their mind and body until they are the perfect men that can handle stress, impossible situations, and react quickly when military plans fail.

If they were trained in philosophy and psychological skills on top of that, they would probably not fall victim to things like PTSD and other problems associated with stress-coping. But even then that is hard to overcome.

A lot of TRP tells you to become attractive by having a fit appearance. But there's more to it than that. You gotta have style. You gotta be intelligent because intelligence is correlated with humor and that's probably why women love humorous men because in evolution it correlates with intelligence.

Honestly, logical skills in my opinion is most important. That can only be learned through philosophy or training your mind in various ways. One thing I use is chess, because it's a logical game. Tactics, strategy, full of principles that even chess teachers have trouble teaching.

What you learn is that more important than any step in a process, is the principle behind that step. So that you can take it and apply it to other situations that you have never experienced before.

[–]RedPill808 5 points6 points  (3 children)

If I understand it correctly, PTSD is a sort of absolute psychological limit of human beings. Some are more resilient/susceptible than others, but exposed to enough, for long enough,EVERYONE breaks.

I recall a SF instructor in the show "Making the Cut" state that he could break any man within 10 minutes using water, but that wasn't the point of the training. I believe what he said, I don't think he was boasting.

[–]2 Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 9 points10 points  (1 child)

No, not really an absolute limit. Ptsd is a survival mechanism that doesn't shut off after the danger is long passed and there's no danger coming. The difference is how people react to it. Some are terrified to even leave the house. Others utilize the effects, like hypervigilance and overwhelming force to enhance their lives. However you deal with it, there's parts of it that don't fit well with a relatively safe society. You'll never take a beating like the one you're going to get from someone with ptsd that doesn't have the flight response, only the fight.

It can be activated in anyone, by a wide range of events and experiences. I lived for nearly 30 years completely unaware I had it, I thought everyone watched everything, had flashbacks, and kept a firearm in every room. People could never understand why I would explode over the slightest thing and ignore others completely.

The reason it's a disorder is that it can make you unable to deal with, or fit in with society, and it can't be turned off. You're not weak because you have it, you have it because you've experienced some rough shit. Many claim to have it, (jazz hands) and use that as an excuse to be a victim. I am no victim, and fakers are amusing... Triggered by muffins, you gotta be kidding.

[–]MachineFknHead 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Anyone who says they are "triggered" and doesn't have PTSD is an idiot

[–]trpftw 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah in the moment. But once you're taken out of the moment then it's not.

Same as when say a mentally strong man, might break up with an LTR and still feel some sort of sadness (not similar but you get the idea of temporary mental states in psychology). It's normal. The question with PTSD is it gonna go away after the moment, or is it going to keep haunting you and becoming a disorder.

[–]TheVikingPrince 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This might tie into what our culture (US) has become. Men are forgetting how to be men. In the 60's high school fitness was IMPORTANT so much so that every 18yo man that came out of high school was extremely fit. This is what we are missing. Teaching discipline, respect, and integrity to our youth.

[–]Di-onysos 5 points6 points  (1 child)

I can heartily agree with this. I come from a country that has mandatory military service, and while that is nowhere near SF training, it does have a positive effect on "manhood". When you've spent a week constantly on the move with little sleep in middle of nowhere, coming back to the city, everything seems slower and softer. The struggle is real, it makes you feel alive, the floating life has nothing. Easiness and comfort have value only when there is a contrast.

[–]BJayJay 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Same year I had to take a gap year to do military service. One training camp was basically survival in the Sahara (I'm in a North African country) for a month, heat stroke was a common occurrence. Just finished my freshman year in university and I realized you don't really appreciate what you got till you contrast.

[–]munobmummus 1 point2 points  (1 child)

A man is only as strong as his values, if you have no beliefs and nothing to live by, your foundations are built on air.

[–]opvsdei[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Agreed, the triumph of principals is a deeply rewarding experiencing to a man.

[–]NicCageForPresident 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Comparing the stress of being an executive/entrepreneur to the stress of being a SEAL... Right...

[–]opvsdei[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Neither has an easy job, and both have levels of stress they must deal with. Obviously each involves drastically different types of stress. Most SEALs wouldn't consider anything outside of duty to be as stressful and most executives wouldn't say they encounter the stress of a SEAL but if you do not understand that then you missed the entire point of the section.

[–]Doctor_Mayhem 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you read any book that teaches you how to prepare for special ops training, every one of them recommends getting into the CEO/entrepreneur mentality and mention several times how such people tend to make great operators if they can pass the physical requirements.

Source: The book "Chosen Soldier: The Making of a Special Forces Warrior" http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0307339394?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00

[–]redditmoose 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Understand that there is no such thing as a friendly race.

I'm a narcissist, and races can be friendly. I'm not the best at everything, but I either know I don't know, or I know I'm right and 95% of the time it's the latter.

I race my son, and it's not about beating him, or training him. He's 3. It's about making him laugh.

[–]opvsdei[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Point taken, after all he is only three.

[–]PantsonFire1234 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I wanted to touch on this myself. You basically wrote the article that I wanted to write and did so above my expectations. Well done.

When I was 19 years old I came into contact with an ex-army guy from whom I strongly suspect had special forces ties. He did various crossfit/bootcamp/training projects for men that were active athletically on a professional level. I'm saying crossfit but his training basically boiled down to BUD/s sans surf torture.

I was literally a 60kg skinny boy with no past training experience. He took me under his wing for reasons I did not understand at that time. Within no time I grew and developed, the men there lifted me up through proper male guidance, no soft pussy stuff. After a learning period I was performing near the level of professional MMA fighters and army vets. You'll be surprised how far peer pressure, strong character and efficient guidance will take you, it still remains as one of the most exciting and proud full times in my life. The effects were profound and flowed through every aspect of my life. Normal life never appeared so easy.

In retrospect I understood that they saw their own personality traits reflect in a young boy. Real men lift others up out of the frog-pond that is our society and they knew I had potential. All the traits you described are mine internally, all be it severely hampered by my personal life and blue pill environment. At these trainings I felt at home, at home I felt out of place.

Eventually I ceased participating in these trainings due to college graduation and my blue pill environment letting me question the value of battering yourself like that. I started to believe that killing your body and mind so deeply would not provide me with eventual happiness and love. As was strongly hinted at by everyone around me (ie: blue pillers). I could have applied for our countries commando program but chose not to. Didn't want to sacrifice my life for no reason and I hated the water.

After losing contact with my only red pill environment I quickly deteriorated mentally and physically. Ended up as a waiter, then went to a follow up college program that I had no affinity towards. By the end of these three years of decline I found myself in a relationship that held no value for me. Near the end I was being compared to low T exes and beta orbiters for not being 'man' enough.

Broke up, fought my way back into shape. Ascended my previous mental and physical level far beyond what I thought possible and got back on track for the program within a short 5 months span. Sadly that group of men disbanded shortly after I quit showing up but their lessons remain.

I still laugh at the idea of my ex-LTR comparing me to B-Type character men with the strength of my 16 year old nephew. Never told her about my past, from what I heard she has an LTR now with some guy that competes with children, old men and women at the village athletic club- winning silver and bronze medals. Women are great at vetting men for sure.

Everything you put down is pure truth and studying these special forces through YouTube documentaries or in person is very valuable. Second place is first place losers. It pays to be a winner. Feels good to be back.

[–]longpoke -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

LOL, OP sounds like he read about it in a book. But he probably just watched movies.

[–]NotRAClST2 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

military men are useful idiots to enrich the military industrial complex even further. work for yourself, not others. Rich dad knows.