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There's that "male privilege" again! (imgur.com)

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[–]DragonSlayerYomre 65ポイント66ポイント  (12子コメント)

Legally, it should be considered a "no-fault" situation. Basically the courts say that shit happens so deal with it. Kind of like if a car wheel blows out (and the car was sound), and you crash into someone, no one in specific is at fault.

[–]forlackofabetterword 30ポイント31ポイント  (10子コメント)

The problem arises when one person is drunk and the other person takes advantage of them. If both are drunk, neither can take advantage of either so it's a moot point.

[–]jblock33 17ポイント18ポイント  (5子コメント)

What if both parties are drunk, but the guy doesn't consent (specifically states "no") and the girl forces herself on the guy? That is rape.

But it can also operate the other way. A drunk man can totally force himself on an intoxicated woman, and that is still clearly rape.

[–]forlackofabetterword 14ポイント15ポイント  (1子コメント)

If there's clearly one person not giving consent, then yes, that's clearly different. I was more referring to when both people are drunk and both consent, that even if they both later regret it, it isn't rape.

[–]jblock33 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

You're absolutely correct

[–]CherryCokeNixon 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

You're operating in the pre-"Yes means yes" affirmative consent mindset. That's how the world worked before. Now one doesn't even need a verbal "no" to prove a lack of consent while conscious (obviously anything happening to an unconscious person is not consent and is rape and/or assault).

[–]wolfman1911 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, now it seems like the measure for determining rape is if she regrets it afterward or not.

[–]jblock33 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's the whole problem with that grey area I think. It can work against the accused, when he clearly did not have any bad intentions. However, the accused could also use it to their advantage to escape something they did, that was wrong.

It is difficult to find out one's true intentions.

[–]the_taint_tickler 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

But then it turns into a debate of pointing fingers, like "I was wasted and he wasn't! He took advantage of me!" Even though there's no way to prove that after the fact. We should just teach people to not use rape as a defense for regretting sex, but apparently that's unimaginable.

[–]forlackofabetterword 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think in general we should err on the side of not punishing anyone if we get down to heresay

[–]JackBond1234 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

And at that point, who can prove he WASN'T drunk? At that point claiming drunkenness should automatically absolve all men of any accusations.

[–]imanimalent 89ポイント90ポイント  (16子コメント)

I know that I've met several ladies in the past who, after a few drinks, become very amorous to the point of aggressively amorous. (what is it about ripping off shirt buttons?)

Actually, I think this 'graphic' raises a good point. If women's drunkenness can be used as a defense in this scenario, (alcohol taking away a woman's ability to make decisions), then why couldn't it be used similarly in other crimes... DUIs, beating up boyfriend/husband with an iron skillet, drunk & disorderly or public nudity, perhaps?

If true, wouldn't it be prudent to ban alcohol consumption from women entirely... you know, for their own safety, of course?

[–]Ben_Stark 50ポイント51ポイント  (3子コメント)

I just told my girlfriend that from now on she is the designated driver. Because according to this poster women can't be held responsible for decisions made when they have had too much to drink.

[–]imanimalent 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

That's what I got out of it. So I don't see the "male privilege'... more "female privilege" in that she can make bad decisions while having had a few drinks (intoxicated or not) and have an out. As a male, I'd sort of like a privilege like that.

[–]The_Mighty_Rex 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

The title was sarcastic

[–]imanimalent 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'd imagine every word that has been posted regarding to this title and graphic was meant to be sarcastic. Well, with the possible exception of some hair-brained lawmakers and their supporters, I suppose. (see? all sarcasm. ;-))

[–]barsonmeMember of the Non-Establishment Establishment 3ポイント4ポイント  (9子コメント)

As far as DUIs go, if you hit and kill somebody while DUI the reason you get a manslaughter charge not murder is because they can't prove you had intent to kill (because the booze caused you drive recklessly).

That's super simplified but Nathan Burney's illustrated guide to criminal law touches on the subject iirc

[–]pearlofsandwich 7ポイント8ポイント  (3子コメント)

You get a murder charge in CA. Not sure about other states.

Edit: Source - "Watson Murder" Basically if you have no priors, second degree murder charge is unlikely, but if you have a previous DUI it's almost a guarantee that you'll be charged.

[–]Promotheos 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

Why was this downvoted, is it factually incorrect?

[–]Ringbearer31 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Downvoted? Or just not upvoted?

[–]pearlofsandwich 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Lol it's not. Edited with a source.

[–]imanimalent 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

The idea of the graphic would be that a couple having sex while intoxicated would be immediately interpreted as rape, regardless of consent, simply because the female was intoxicated at the time and was not capable of making decisions. (stupid)

The question would be then, should the penalty for hitting and killing someone while driving dui be less severe with a female because she is, somehow, more a victim of alcohol than that of a male and incapable of making decisions... like, for starters, being capable of deciding correctly to not drive while intoxicated. If she's incapable of making the correct decision to not drive drunk, then how could she be held responsible for running down and killing some pedestrian, or a bus load of children.

[–]Bonzai88 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

So, if you want to murder someone but don't wanna do the time, run them over sober so you get the job done and then immediately start chugging some hard liquor. Say it was a dui accident and bam you're sentence for manslaughter is significantly shorter.

[–]miogato2 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Or .. you can just not get caught

[–]shivore 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

If you just "happen" to run over someone you have a history with, enough to maybe have motive for murder, I have a feeling your case would be investigated a little more than the average dui.

At least I would hope that's how it works.

[–]wolfman1911 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's why you never murder people you know. You don't want the cops to have any reason to connect you to it.

[–]tehForceReagan conservative 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Nope - white guys are racist pigs. Anything they do under any circumstance is a crime.

[–]123Macallister 28ポイント29ポイント  (10子コメント)

What this signifies is that the playing field is not level. If you are a man, you have 2 strikes against you. I suggest that you realize this, and accept it. It's just a fact. Be careful guys.

[–]mlbontbs87 16ポイント17ポイント  (7子コメント)

If you stay far, far away from hook-up culture, it will probably never come up!

[–]JackBond1234 9ポイント10ポイント  (6子コメント)

That's the big answer to all this. I don't personally see the appeal of sex with unfamiliar people. But I definitely see the risks.

[–]not_a_clever_dude 7ポイント8ポイント  (5子コメント)

Living a moral life avoids unnecessary conflict and problems, who could have imagined?

[–]ducked 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

right, because having sex with a lot of people is automatically immoral

[–]JackBond1234 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

People made up the word "slut" specifically because they thought it was immoral.

[–]thatsaqualifier 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

No one said anything about "a lot of people", the previous poster said "unfamiliar people". That is the difference in morality. Even if you disagree about morality, you have to admit that having many and having unfamiliar partners is certainly risky for many reasons.

[–]ducked 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

ok then having sex with unfamiliar people isn't immoral either. risky maybe, yeah, but definitely not immoral

[–]thatsaqualifier 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I guess it depends on the moral code you subscribe too. You certainly won't catch any flak from me, to each their own.

[–]juggernaut308 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Grown ass man, can confirm.

[–]simon_the_detective 16ポイント17ポイント  (4子コメント)

I saw this online awhile back and someone in the discussion said it was a spoof, not a real poster.

[–]leedorham 16ポイント17ポイント  (0子コメント)

According to this post it is a real poster but eight years old and no longer in line with the school's anti-rape campaigns/programs.

[–]AtticusFrenchToast 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

The Foundation for Individual Rights in Education spoke directly with CCU and confirmed it was an old poster but CCU sent a newer, also horrible poster.

[–]richardguyLiterally the Patriarchy 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

As a college freshman, believe the poster- that is exactly how liberal universities handle "sexual assault" cases where both parties are drunk.

[–]-THE-FEAR- 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I had a chat with the ORIGINAL POSTER when it was released and they assured me it was legit, wether it was or not is questionable, but to be honest, I don't doubt its legitimacy one bit

[–]MrBobSugar 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

You mean he didn't sign the consent contract or they didn't have the encounter notarized? I'm going to need more information before I pick a side.

[–]yep45Constitutionalist 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

You joke but there are actual apps being made to document consent before sex. I think the Apple Store rejected one but it was being sold elsewhere. NPR did some story on it

[–]Xercen 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

What if Jake was drunk and legless and Josie got on top of him whilst he was lying down drunk in bed? Then surely she would be the rapist?

[–]wolfman1911 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Clearly you have not heard the claim that white people cannot be the victims of racism, or you would already know the answer to that.

[–]NuclearWatchdog 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Josie sounds like a bitch

[–]salacio 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Some feminist on /r/MensRights was saying because she knew Josie was more* drunk so Jake was automatically the rapist. How they're able to infer this hours or days after the incident happened I don't know. I told her maybe Josie shouldn't drink so much if she can't control her liquor and was promptly accused of victim blaming by the previous feminist.

[–]Johnnynukemall 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

If two women get drunk and fuck which one is the rapist?

[–]stroginof 31ポイント32ポイント  (0子コメント)

The man who pays the mortgage for the house they fucked in

[–]itchyshirt 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

The guy watching from the closet.

[–]mk262 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

I guess you gotta record every sexual act now on video.

[–]wolfman1911 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

You mean people don't already do that?

[–]IsThatAnOrber 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Holy shit this pisses me off.

[–]NakedAndBehindYou 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Feminists don't want equality. They want female superiority. In fact, they don't even want female superiority, they just want feminist superiority, as evidenced by the fact that they'll attack any Conservative woman who goes against their dogma.

[–]-THE-FEAR- 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

I need a beathelizer that stops my dick from getting hard unless you blow below 0.05, plus a blood analysis machine, making sure they're not hyped up and also matches their DNA, to make sure she ain't lying about her age, (not to mention testing for contraceptives in her blood).

[–]dilplunk 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Drink whisky, it will do the job

[–]-THE-FEAR- 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm actually narcoleptic, so drinking (and any downers in general) just make me stronger!!!! IM the only australian immune to forsters flop

[–]Flyers37 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Under the new "yes means yes" law on college campuses in New York, the accused has to prove they were given a verbal yes as consent. Sounds a bit like guilty until proven innocent.

[–]smoledman 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I never understood the point of drunk sex.

[–]stroginof 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

to remember just enough of the sex to be proud of yourself, but not too much to be ashamed that you fucked Rosie O'Donnell's ugly cousin

[–]jonstern 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

My wife is more willing sober. Product of old age...and drowsiness.

[–]Gstreetshit### -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

If women are unable to consent while drinkiing (not passed out, obviously) but men can. Shouldn't it just be illegal for women to drink?

[–]kr4v3n 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not saying I agree with this but since the act of rape is considered penetrative he'd be charged with rape and she'd be charged with... what sexual molestation??

[–]CoolCatD 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Was this identical post not made 2 weeks ago?

[–]7_legged_spiderLibertarian 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

If she "can't" consent while intoxicated, then neither "can" he. They both would lack the requisite element of mens rea for a rape to have occurred (in either direction), and therefore, there would be no chargeable crime.

[–]icangetyouatoedude 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

YEAH BUT LOOK AT THAT DEVILISH LOOK IN JAKES EYES! HE KNEW WHAT HE WAS DOING

[–]flipcoder 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

So if they're both rapists, is it consensual?

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[–]Fapsington -4ポイント-3ポイント  (0子コメント)

TIL r/Conservative is as bad as my grandma at believing any picture they see on the internet. I mean, I'm not surprised.

[–]tobiasnash -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Women do commit rape and it's quite violent when it happens. Usually, since they don't have a penis, they use an object. Penetrating somebody without consent is violent. Being penetrated by somebody with an erection probably isn't committing an act of violence against them.

[–]Shaelyr -4ポイント-3ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's a poorly executed poster. Consent cannot be given if you are unconscious or intoxicated beyond the ability to know the consequences of saying yes. Whichever of the two was less intoxicated had the obligation to stop sexual activity until the other person was sober enough to make decisions. Women can rape men and children. Statistics show offenders are overwhelmingly male for women and children (boys and girls) alike. The poster may have been thinking about these stats when they decided who would be the offender here. They did a shit job of explaining consent and muddied the water even further on an issue that should be super easy. Here is a video about tea. And consent. https://vimeo.com/126553913