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Minimum-wage offensive could speed arrival of robot-powered restaurants (washingtonpost.com)
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[–]BrujahRage 8ポイント9ポイント10ポイント 4時間前 (1子コメント)
If it's important enough to have a person do it, it's important enough to pay that person a living wage. If your business model is basically "Make millions/billions by ensuring we pay our workforce so little they qualify for public assistance" you suck as a human being, and your business model is flawed. In my opinion, this is the failure of economics, that willingness to turn a blind eye to the question of moral judgement.
So humor me, once we replace those people with machinery what do we do with the people? What jobs do you train them for that aren't going to be automated in 5 or 10 or 15 years? Some people have proposed a parallel economy where people would willingly pay extra for human made objects, ignoring the Walmartification of our economy (the public has spoken, and what they want is cheap Chinese goods at the lowest possible price). Some people suggest going into the arts or performance, as if it weren't already hard enough to make it as an artist or performer already, let's glut the market with even more competition. Some other people suggest Universal Basic Income as the solution, and that makes a certain amount of sense, if we think about money as being the blood of the economy, then there needs to be a mechanism to keep it circulating, but (here in America, at least) I think our leadership is too corrupt to make it work. So, for those of you cheering because those filthy poors are taking it on the chin for having the temerity to demand a living wage, what would you do with the people?
[–]0_- 4ポイント5ポイント6ポイント 1時間前 (0子コメント)
People do not enter the corporate equation, a living wage is philosophical at best without dramatic and revolutionary events, which the American public has been reluctant to engage in. Manufactured consent and superficial egotistical divides have kept people both complacent and fragmented while authoratarian and well organized corporations cement their roots. Nationalization of corporate assets is what is unfortunately required. It will not be pretty.
[–]Geohump 20ポイント21ポイント22ポイント 4時間前 (4子コメント)
No. Wrong. the minimum wage is not the main incentive to automate.
Robot powered restaurants will arrive just as soon as the automation works well enough.
Elimination of labor alone is the incentive to automate.
Why :
Even if the Minimum Wage was One Dollar per hour, it will still be cheaper to use automation over time.
Why: All ancillary costs and risks are reduced or eliminated.
Examples:
Example: Fast Food place open from 6am to 2 am, 7 employees on all shifts, at $10 per hour
That's 20 hours, times 7 workers, time $10 hour= 20 * 7 * 10
Thats $1,400 per day in labor costs.
Thats $511,000 year. Over Half a Million Dollars.
Suppose we cut the pay in half? to $5 per hour?
That's $255,500 - Still over a Quarter of a Million additional profit. - on labor costs alone, that's more than enough to pay for automating one small fast food place.
Suppose we cut the pay to $1 per hour: Thats $51,100 per year in labor.
You still automate because after three years, you would break even and pull in pure profit with no labor costs.
yes, this sucks for us.
We need to buy the automation companies.
[–]ChickenOfDoom 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 2時間前 (2子コメント)
It is AN incentive though. If we had the technology right now to completely replace 7 restaurant workers with machines for only 1.5 million dollars with no upkeep costs, they would have already done it. The higher the minimum wage, the bigger the automation budget becomes.
[–]SplitReality 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 1時間前 (1子コメント)
At the rate that technology is currently improving, how long does that really buy you before automation is economically the cheaper option? One, two, three years? That is insignificant in the grand scheme of things. Ultimately we are going to have to solve the problem of technological unemployment.
In addition my guess is that cost isn't the thing that is holding off automation. I don't think many companies are looking at fully functional automation systems and saying to themselves, "Hmmm...I'd get that if only it were a bit cheaper." I think there is a cultural transition that has to happen for owners to even begin to look to automate.
Then I think the tech has to come around to offer working solutions that a medium and small business could use. It won't work if it takes a factory with conveyor belts to make a happy meal. As the prior poster pointed out, once the costs are even in the ballpark it'd be a no brainer to automate. The only difference at that point is how long it would take to break even.
[–]ChickenOfDoom 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 12分前 (0子コメント)
I don't think many companies are looking at fully functional automation systems and saying to themselves, "Hmmm...I'd get that if only it were a bit cheaper." I think there is a cultural transition that has to happen for owners to even begin to look to automate.
Automation is not just replacing people with robots, it's finding ways to get money more efficiently. Like the article describes, they are already doing this as hard as they can, taking every available step to get more out of fewer workers. The 'culture' for corporations is all about the money, and they will adopt new technology the instant the numbers add up.
[–]Zulban 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 1時間前 (0子コメント)
That's not how people think. It's not about a mathematical calculation on which choice is most efficient economically. Restaurant owners are scared of technology or totally ignorant of it. Whereas something like doubling the minimum wage redirects that fear and makes them consider alternatives. When a specific automation is factually but marginally better than human workers, a vast majority of people will not opt to use it.
Your comment only makes sense where people are totally rational thinkers, and we know they're not.
[–]human_machine 4ポイント5ポイント6ポイント 3時間前* (3子コメント)
Hooters is gonna get weird.
No server bot, no one believes you're going to veterinary school but the orange hot pants and the fake ass in it are oddly appealing. The weird tits in the tank top could use some work. Ah, fuck it, when's your shift over?
[–]59ekim 4ポイント5ポイント6ポイント 3時間前 (2子コメント)
https://i.imgur.com/lHScbu9.png
[–]human_machine 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 3時間前 (1子コメント)
I think they'd sell a lot more beer(goggles).
[–]59ekim 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 3時間前 (0子コメント)
I'm sure there's already a subculture that demands this. The backrooms would be successful.
[–]leafhog 7ポイント8ポイント9ポイント 4時間前* (5子コメント)
And that is a good thing. Work that doesn't have enough economic utility to support a human needs to be automated.
[–]Heaney555 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 2時間前 (2子コメント)
Only if the society provides the human another way of being supported.
[–]59ekim 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 2時間前 (0子コメント)
Except capitalist automation is inevitable, and its subsequent fall is too. Which may sound like bad news, and it kind of is, but only temporarily. What has to be done to avoid destabilization is the decoupling of labor and income, until money can be removed from acquiring needs, at least. This is why so many people support an unconditional basic income, which so controversial, even on the internet, for some reason. Ultimately society should move toward a resource based economy, which I suggest you investigate.
[–]leafhog 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 1時間前 (0子コメント)
I'm also a r/basicincome cheerleader.
[–]Siskiyou 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 4時間前 (1子コメント)
I think that a kiosk can do a better job of handling the ordering process than a human. As a side note, I prefer using the automated check out lanes at Walgreens rather than having a clerk do it.
[–]SplitReality 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 58分前 (0子コメント)
In addition to that, let me order and pay through an app on my phone so my food is ready when I get there. Why should I have to stand in line at all? It could also save my favorite selections to offer one touch ordering.
[–]valvesmith 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 4時間前 (1子コメント)
Sheetz has them beat by ten years, plus they have retail gasoline and a car wash.
[–]pickengrin 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 52分前 (0子コメント)
I've been saying this for ages... The fast food workers have done this to themselves. Entrepreneurs are gonna entrepreneu
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[+]WarrenPuff_It スコアが基準値未満のコメント-14ポイント-13ポイント-12ポイント 7時間前* (37子コメント)
As well as a soaring CPI. Raising the minimum wage is a terrible solution, but poor people don't want to listen to reason, they just want more money so they can spend it.
edit: your downvote proves you don't know economics. The binding price floor creates a disequilibrium that will shaft the labour force, hike prices, and cause inefficiencies across the board. Automation is just one effect from this cause. If you don't believe, luckily there are countless examples of this in action, look at every single minimum-wage increase ever. Notice how it always end the same way? But I guess that doesn't go along with how you think the world works, so it must be untrue, right? Enjoy your increased prices.
[–]Ameren 10ポイント11ポイント12ポイント 6時間前 (29子コメント)
I wouldn't malign the poor for wanting a living wage. While we here are generally uninterested or even hostile to the idea of protecting jobs, most of us are interested in protecting people and promoting their well-being.
[–]peacegnome 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 5時間前 (14子コメント)
It is the wrong way to approach it though. look at what "poor people" need to spend their money on before they have disposable income: housing, transportation, medical, food. one of the low hanging fruits (but not politically viable because of who runs the country) would be to tax landlords how people who live in their houses are taxed, and allow people to write off their rent/mortgage/property tax for the space they live in, since there is nothing they can do about it. There, you just put money into people's pockets that wasn't there before and you helped decrease the amount of rentals and the incentive for people to buy income property.
[–]supafly208 -1ポイント0ポイント1ポイント 5時間前 (13子コメント)
Who said that someone making min wage should be able to afford all those necessities? Min wage jobs aren't meant for a single mother of 5.
Min wage jobs are meant for high school kids; completely uneducated individuals. Once they earn a degree or learn a trade skill, they can get out of it. Min wage is simply the minimum an employee has to pay for an employee. Nothing about living conditions
[–]leafhog 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 4時間前 (3子コメント)
Minimum wage jobs have always been intended to be a living wage. That includes for single mothers of five.
http://takingnote.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/03/07/f-d-r-makes-the-case-for-the-minimum-wage/?_r=0
http://benjaminstudebaker.com/2014/10/28/misconceptions-minimum-wage-jobs-arent-supposed-to-be-careers/
[–]supafly208 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 3時間前 (2子コメント)
Interesting articles. I do agree that we need all kinds of people [uneducated, skill-less,educated professions, trade professions, and doctorates/research], otherwise you'd have an overflow into other areas; overskilled workers, lack of work for skilled/educated, etc.
If everyone became a doctor, some wouldn't be able to find jobs and they'd end up taking jobs that less educated people would have taken. Then where do they go?
Balancing this is pretty tough. I hope they're able to find a solution that fixes things across the board (without affecting other topics such as taxes or crime levels).
[–]leafhog 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 1時間前 (1子コメント)
My version of that is: "Anyone can work their way out of a minimum wage job, but not everyone can."
[–]supafly208 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 57分前 (0子コメント)
That's perfect, actually.
[–]peacegnome 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 4時間前 (0子コメント)
I'm against any minimum wage so I think that you are talking to the wrong person. Minimum wage is not the answer to any problem, unless you have a problem with overemployment. I also think that the bureaucracy that an employer has to crawl through to hire someone is a real hindrance the reason that we have predatory temp work businesses.
[–]justwatson 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 4時間前 (0子コメント)
Right, and the big underlying issue that not many people seem to be acknowledging is why so many people and families are forced to support themselves on minimum wage.
[–]Heaney555 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 3時間前 (6子コメント)
Do you think that the single mother of 5 would be working the minimum wage job if she had any other choice!?
[–]59ekim 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 2時間前 (4子コメント)
Serves them right for not keeping their legs closed!!! /s
While there is an element of responsibility that has to be accounted for, those people are not theoretical, they exist right now, and it's sad that some people actually say what I said.
[–]Heaney555 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 2時間前 (3子コメント)
And there are many adults with no children who work at minimum wage.
If you want a minimum wage low so that "high school kids" can get employed- set a different minimum wage for people under 21 years old, like we do in the UK.
[–]59ekim 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 2時間前 (2子コメント)
I never said that. My previous comment was satirical, just in case you misunderstood it. Also, I'm not supafly208.
[–]Heaney555 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 2時間前 (1子コメント)
I know, I was adding to what you said.
[–]59ekim 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 2時間前 (0子コメント)
Oops, sorry then.
[–]supafly208 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 2時間前 (0子コメント)
I would assume she wouldn't be doing it unless she had no where else to go. Some things can't be changed easily. However, maybe she could move somewhere that's cheaper, or find a way to reduce spending. Tons of places provide free or discounted food, for example. Lots of churches, whether a member of them of not, can provide assistance such as daycare and food for thr children.
I've worked backbreaking labor jobs for many years because I had no other choice. Since I made shit money, I tried to reduce my cost of living as much as possible so I could live within my budget. I missed out on a lot of fun events that all my friends went to because I was broke as fuck. Beans and rice was what my diet mainly consisted of because it's so cheap. I lived with 4 other people in a 3 bedroom apt. You do what you can with what you have. If someone isn't happy with their situstion, on they can change it; thing is, it requires more effort.
I know that doing that with kiddos is more difficult, but there is a loooooot of help available.(food pantries, assisted daycare, government aide, debt consolidation to reduce payments, etc)
If income is locked, the spending has to be adjusted in order to live happily. Learning to live within a budget can be difficult, and everyone's situation varies.
[+]WarrenPuff_It スコアが基準値未満のコメント-9ポイント-8ポイント-7ポイント 6時間前 (13子コメント)
Increased wages is not the solution, but the majority of the population doesn't care to learn basic economic theory, so the masses just breath hot air and demand a "livable wage" to pay for rising costs. Never considering that maybe their demand is what drives those prices up, or collective purchasing behaviour might influence the pricing mechanism. Higher wages is a band-aid solution, for an arterial-laceration.
[–]Ameren 5ポイント6ポイント7ポイント 6時間前 (2子コメント)
That may be the case, but remember that we have the luxuries of time and distance, things that they can ill-afford. We're talking about people living paycheck to paycheck, whose lives are clouded by uncertainty and insecurity. We should be sympathizing with their struggles, not chastising them.
[–]WarrenPuff_It -1ポイント0ポイント1ポイント 5時間前 (1子コメント)
Ask yourself why chocolate bars aren't 10¢ anymore, or for that matter any consumer good or service. Raising the minimum wage will NEVER correct people living paycheck to paycheck, that has been a constant ever since the inception of fiat currencies and wages for labour. It's a fallacy that somehow increasing your earnings will solve this, when prices rise in correlation to earnings. Wages won't fox your marginal propensity to spend, bad financial planning is the cause and simply giving more money does nothing to stop that. You want to fix the problem, teach people how money works, don't give them more and expect all of sudden people will become responsible with their financial future. If you think $15 an hour will somehow correct this, then I can't help you you're stuck in the same mindset that has plagued our economy since the dislodging of pegged currency.
[–]leafhog 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 4時間前* (0子コメント)
You sound like this:
"Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of [low minimum wage] —the greatest material interest of the world ... a blow at [low minimum wage] is a blow at commerce and civilization." -- State of Mississippi
That is called "mudsill" theory.
[–]59ekim 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 5時間前 (9子コメント)
So what is the solution? Keep a lower class without the chance of a more comfortable and carefree life? We'll just doom a bunch of people to poverty without looking at alternatives? Please explain.
[–]WarrenPuff_It -1ポイント0ポイント1ポイント 4時間前 (8子コメント)
Raising the price-floor for labour will NEVER correct the wage-gap, it just makes the rich richer and poor the same. Poor people are poor because of a number of factors, but largely it's financial irresponsibility. You spend credit on goods that generate zero return, instead of using debt to increase your living standards by borrowing at favourable rates in order to invest in your future. Wages don't fix that, any increase in wages just goes to spending more, your marginal propensity to spend. You want to fix the poor problem? Teach people what savings is, or how not to spend more than they make. It isn't the rich that make poor people poor, but society likes to crucify our most successful and blame them for the woes of the poor. Stop having so many kids, stop spending more than you make, stop borrowing at terrible rates, stop wasting your resources on trivial things, stop blaming others for your misfortune and fucking work for a better life, all these things are perspective changes that the lower tax brackets fail to come to terms with. It's easier to believe you're oppressed and held down from success while being complacent with lower-quality work and zero benefits. Work hard, invest in your future, become responsible for your finances and fucking take control of your spending. Unfortunately that will never happen, because Western society feels entitled to consumer goods and "free money". Consumers don't want to wrangle in their spending, so for the foreseeable future we will see a continuation of the same game that has been played for most of the 20th century, with poor people scratching their heads wondering why they drown in debt, but can't finance their houses or cars or pay their rent because they need the next new iphone because they're entitled to all these nice things corporate capitalism generates. Case in point, the baby boomer generation enjoyed the largest single increase in living standards... why? Because they used the income generated from the war surplus and used it to invest in themselves, by going to university and educating themselves (human/capital investment). They worked for their successes, and every generation since then has just expected a handout.
The solution is exactly what poor/lazy people don't want to hear. Stop wasting money, start living within your means. Rich people stay rich because they don't blow all their money buying things they don't need, or by selling things that don't generate returns for them. That goes against all the stigmas people have about rich people, the idea that frugality is a trait of the more fortunate.
[–]59ekim 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 4時間前 (7子コメント)
I get what you're saying, and I think you're right in a certain sense, but you seem to dismiss the insidious nature of advertising and other mechanisms that keep desire for consumption and propensity to get loans on things you won't be able to pay, predating on ignorance. Knowing how money works does little if you have no formal education and credentials due to a lack of capital, keeping you poor and unable to do anything about it.
[–]WarrenPuff_It 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 4時間前 (6子コメント)
I don't dismiss it, I'm more than aware. Edward Bernays is the name you want to google.
[–]59ekim 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 3時間前 (5子コメント)
Then you agree capitalism is a vicious system we should get away from, is that right?
[–]WarrenPuff_It 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 1時間前 (3子コメント)
No, I don't think it's vicious. Without it, we never would have gone from the first airplane to the moon landing in 66 years. There is an endless list of benefits capitalism has given us. People don't like how unfair free-markets are, but economics has no place for "fairness", it simply looks at efficiency.
I think it is the best of the worst, there is no perfect system.
[–]59ekim 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 1時間前 (0子コメント)
Except having been useful doesn't prove it's better than any alternative we can come up with. Your claim that there is not place for fairness in economics makes me laugh, and I'm sorry for being condescending, but there is no real world efficiency in capitalism. The type of efficiency I've heard being praised by anarcho-capitalists is one where voluntary exchange occurs.. Even if it's kickstarted but thousands of hours of exposure to advertising, or its servicing has irreversible effects on the environment. Although, on second thought, I think you're right, there is no place for fairness in free market economics. That's just a structural contradiction. Whoever is strongest will prevail. That's a system we should do our best to override, and substitute with something else, not based on individualism or markets, but instead focused on production and intelligent and efficient allocation. I'm sorry if you think I'm just spouting idealist crap.
[–]Quipster99 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 1時間前 (1子コメント)
Without it, we never would have gone from the first airplane to the moon landing in 66 years.
How can you make that claim? We went from picking bugs out of tree stumps with sticks to a mastery of fire and the ability to create weapons for hunting animals larger and far more powerful than us all entirely without capitalism, or even money for that matter.
Our species clearly tends towards innovation, with or without fabricated systems to quantify our progress and resources usage.
it simply looks at efficiency.
This is a problem. We need to have a much more all encompassing view in order to ensure sustainable and accessible progress. Profit > All Else is dangerous and irresponsible.
[–]WarrenPuff_It 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 15分前 (0子コメント)
I think capitalism is essential for our civilization up till now, without it we wouldn't have gone from the first airplane to the moon landing in 66 years, or any of the other countless advances it gave us. capitalism was invented right around the time America was invented, and that plays a big role in why America employs the majority of R&D even today. Wealth of Nations (1776) and Declaration of Independence (1776) both touch on the importance of free-market capitalism for the pursuit of efficiency and progress. It isn't a perfect system, but without it we would still be bogged down by monarchical inefficiency and disequilibrium in markets. I don't have an answer for a better alternative, and I think that's because we just don't have a better option right now.
[–]supafly208 -2ポイント-1ポイント0ポイント 5時間前 (6子コメント)
Came here to say this. You deserve upvotes, not downvotes. Like you said, people don't understand.
Raising minimum wage will just make everything more expensive. Then you'll be just as poor; you'll make more, but it'll still disappear just as fast.
Basic economics, people.
[–]59ekim 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 5時間前 (2子コメント)
Not that I agree with these ideas, but wouldn't an increased wage create demand by allowing people to consume more? Therefore creating jobs, and keeping the cycle of growth going. Again, I don't agree with this, because supposedly and economy is based on preservation, and needs should be systematically provided, but that's another conversation.
[–]supafly208 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 4時間前 (0子コメント)
Yes and no. They'd spend more, but then every job leading to those products will also increase, causing the cost of those goods to rise.
Think of all the min wage employees in produce:gathering, prepping, packaging, transporting. Double the cost of that labor. The company selling it will raise prices to compensate their extra expenses. So now the min wage individual wanting cherries has to pay more for them.
It doesn't just raise the min wage for you, it's for everyone too. It's a touchy subject because people earning that little get very stressed/emotional, and take it personally. I have been in a number of min wage jobs, and I had to adjust my living conditions to make my life liveable. I lived in an apt with 4 other people. Rent and bills were split, then I had extra money to put myself through school. It was tough and demoralizing, but you do what you have to do to better your life.
It's not a fun way to live, but it's just meant to be a stepping stone.
[–]WarrenPuff_It -1ポイント0ポイント1ポイント 4時間前 (0子コメント)
You're half right, increase in demand, but a decrease in jobs. 15 and hour would cause employers to hire less, because labour inputs became more expensive. Notice by my downvotes how little people understand these concepts? A perfect example is Ford and Detriot.
[–]WarrenPuff_It -1ポイント0ポイント1ポイント 4時間前 (2子コメント)
It's like pulling teeth, everyone just expects a wage increase to transform indebted citizens into financially-responsible spenders. History has shown an increase in wages doesn't improve living conditions, but people who don't understand basic monetary concepts just assume it will make their problems go away.
[–]Quipster99 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 2時間前* (1子コメント)
To be honest, I expect a wage increase to hugely increase the speed at which automation is implemented, and thus, force the issue.
Increasing the wage is not a solution, but it will hasten our resolve in finding one by exasperating the issues we face (and hopefully making them more apparent).
On an unrelated note, if you understand monetary concepts, could you help me out? How does the profit motive encourage responsible behavior? Because from where I'm sitting, it simply doesn't; It is the will of those who wield the resources that decides how they are used. We clearly have had the technology to pursue, for example, sustainable energy generation for decades. We've also known about the impending ecological implications of our unwillingness to consider a shift away from oil. Given that the monetary system can only measure progress in dollars and cents, how exactly are we supposed adapt to our increasingly rapidly changing environment in a timely manner going forward? Dollars generated from the extraction of oil is clearly more appealing an investment than dollars lost in the pursuit of sustainability, but breathable air living animals is without a doubt better than a few extra funbucks. But non-monetary profit is just not considered in ROI calculations.
Given that we've wasted decades pursuing clearly unsustainable energy sources and have literally held back cleaner tech because it would impede the ability to generate monetary profit (to the increasing detriment of our environment), would you say that our present method of applying resources is a responsible and efficient one?
[–]WarrenPuff_It 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 1分前 (0子コメント)
Simply put, we are a shortsighted species. It isn't an ailment of "rich" people plaguing society and oppressing the weak, it's the entire species being selfish and thinking near term instead of long term. Economics doesn't measure fair or good/bad, only efficiency. Instead of saving money (foregoing expenditure today for future expenditure), they'd rather spend $30 on popcorn and movie tickets today because of impulse and entitlement. We can blame anyone for our problems, it's easy to do, but at the end of the day the same ailments that plagued previous generations.
[+]f1owww スコアが基準値未満のコメント-15ポイント-14ポイント-13ポイント 5時間前 (13子コメント)
Robot workers should be outlawed. If a company is not going to provide work for people in a community then they don't deserve to profit off of it.
[–]Dave_the_Pigeon 6ポイント7ポイント8ポイント 5時間前 (0子コメント)
That's simply not realistic. Look at how many car manufacturers even in the U.S. don't "provide work for people in a community" by mechanizing a majority of their factories.
[–]59ekim 5ポイント6ポイント7ポイント 5時間前 (0子コメント)
The sole profit of a company in automation is a problem of capitalism, not of automation itself. Increasing efficiency and decreasing the net effort in a society should be absolute imperatives.
[–]supafly208 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 5時間前 (0子コメント)
Some logic here, buddy. /s
[–]SamSlate 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 4時間前* (7子コメント)
I hadn't* really considered the effect this will have on local economies.. That will be interesting..
Wait, shouldn't the same be said of online shopping?
[–]r1chard3 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 4時間前 (6子コメント)
Welcome to Detroit.
Post Capitalism is a bitch.
[–]SamSlate 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 3時間前 (5子コメント)
What does capitalism have to do with it?
[–]59ekim 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 1時間前 (4子コメント)
I haven't heard much about Detroit, but from what I have, a lot of manufacturing jobs were sent overseas, and it became what it is today. If, say, workers instead of bosses controlled the management of their companies, as socialism demands, that wouldn't have happened. I personally am not a proponent of socialism, nor am I of capitalism.
[–]SamSlate 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 1時間前 (3子コメント)
I mean, if they hadn't gone over seas wouldn't they just have been priced out of the market?
[–]59ekim 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 1時間前 (2子コメント)
Very likely. Doesn't it strike you as odd that such a praised economic system would essentially send production thousands of miles away at the expense of local economies, with the alternative being structural failure? Guess who wins in the process?
[–]SamSlate 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 1時間前 (1子コメント)
the consumer.
[–]59ekim 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 1時間前 (0子コメント)
Really? Man, poor rich people, investors, and managers of such companies. Passing their savings on to uuuuuuuuuuuuuuus!
[–]leafhog 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 1時間前 (1子コメント)
Someone is getting paid to make the robots. Someone is getting paid to make the energy to run the robots. The robots are simply doing more with less which should be the goal of everyone.
[–]59ekim 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 44分前 (0子コメント)
The point is, they are not accommodating as many people as the jobs previously were. Those people that work maintaining the robots, and those who keep the electricity going, are a much smaller group of people than the workers. Where will these displaced workers go? Possibly nowhere. Which means the current economic system cannot serve the population with this amazing new ability to automate work. The solution? Redesign the economic system, keep the technology, not the other way around.
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