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Trump: I'll rescind birthright citizenship (washingtonexaminer.com)

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[–]Redomoreagain 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's about time someone addressed this issue. The 14th amendment was created to protect former slaves, which America hasn't had in 150 years. What America does have is a long list of people waiting to become LEGAL US citizens. And every one of them is being screwed by illegal aliens hopping over the border and having anchor babies on American soil. This needs to stop immediately.

[–]ItsMeTK 7ポイント8ポイント  (22子コメント)

There's this sticky thing called the 14th Amendment...

[–]pumpyourstillskin 1ポイント2ポイント  (9子コメント)

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside

Illegal aliens are not subject to the jurisdiction of the US. If they were, they wouldn't be here.

Either way, there was also once a sticky thing called the 21st Amendment, and we fixed that when it wasn't working.

[–]yzass 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

They're not subject to the jurisdiction of the US? So how do we arrest them when they break our laws. Think man, once they are here they are under US jurisdiction.

You want to amend the constitution lets go for it, but Trump can't just end it

[–]pumpyourstillskin 5ポイント6ポイント  (4子コメント)

If by simply being here puts you under the jurisdiction of the US, why is that sentence even there? "and subject to the jurisdiction."

[–]yzass 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

"subject to the jurisdiction thereof" Meaning: being in US territory!

Look, the courts have ruled on this. Whether you agree with it or not that's how the amendment is interpreted.

[–]gbimmer 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

The SCOTUS have ruled on a whole lot of things incorrectly. They also change their minds quite often.

[–]yzass 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

We can discuss the courts ruling incorrectly we will likely agree, but the Supreme Court does not often change it's "collective" mind. You can count on one hand, maybe two, the amount of times the supreme court overruled itself.

[–]ICreatedAnotherOne 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I would assume that references foreign diplomats. They're in the US, but not under the jurisdiction of the US.

According to wikipedia is also references a category of 'Indians not Taxed', who while being within the US were not under US jurisdiction and did not receive citizenship automatically if they left their tribal jurisdiction. It was an issue when the 14th was originally written, but that category was eliminated with the Indian Citizenship Act in 1924, so I think that phrase in the 14th is mostly a leftover solution to a problem that doesn't exist anymore.

[–]ItsMeTK 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

I'm all for fixing Amendments that aren't working (and I've long held that the 14th is one of the worst for being so easily interpreted to mean anything). I'm just saying Trump can't say "I'm stopping this" himself. We can fix Amendments, but it must be done through proper channels.

As for your first point, has it ever been argued someone born here is not subject to our jurisdiction?

[–]pumpyourstillskin 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yes there was a case in the late 19th century of an Indian born here but he was denied citizenship because he wasn't under our jurisdiction. Also, children of visiting diplomats born at a US hospital don't get it.

But, Trump probably could get it done without an amendment. US Code clarifies who gets citizenship at birth. It's open for interpretation.

[–]yzass -1ポイント0ポイント  (7子コメント)

Shh! Don't interrupt with facts, the Donald has spoken.

[–]ItsMeTK 3ポイント4ポイント  (6子コメント)

I fully support amending the amendment. It's language has allowed for far too much nonsense in this country. But no one can just wave a Preaidential wand and say "this ends because I say so". If he doesn't understand that, he's unqualified to be President.

[–]yzass 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

I agree.

[–]propshaftRadical Redneck 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

But no one can just wave a Preaidential wand and say "this ends because I say so"

Oh Really ?

Isnt that EXACTLY what the nations number one turd has been doing since his first day in the oval office ?

[–]yzass 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yes, but I thought we were against such actions?

[–]propshaftRadical Redneck 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yes, but I thought we were against such actions?

Unfortunately no one seems to give a damn about the Constitution any longer, from all appearances it has been disabled by this administration, except of course when it can be used to the lefts advantage.

As much as I hate to say it, we need to serve the same shit to the left until they gag on it !

[–]yzass 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I fear the truth in what you just said.

volatile times lay ahead.

[–]Gooey_Discharges 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

True, but it can always be changed. How many people believe that it makes sense that if an illegal immigrant makes it across the boarder to give birth in the desert the child is an American citizen?

[–]ElChupacabra77 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

There's also this thing called the second amendment but the left disregards it all the time.

[–]yzass 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

But the courts generally don't.

[–]wiseprogressivethink[S] -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

http://www.fairus.org/issue/birthright-citizenship

[–]LengthyWarfareReagan Conservative -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Maybe a little too far on this one here Donald.