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[–]TrubsZ 35ポイント36ポイント  (39子コメント)

This one is honestly silly in my opinion. I thought 100% it was Berenstein as well, but I can easily see how I originally read it and pronounced it as Berenstein simply because -stein is much more common than -stain. When you read it and think about it as -stein for so long your memory will tell you that there's NO WAY it's different. It's extremely arrogant and ridiculous to jump to conclusions of alternate universes over this example in particular.

[–]wheeldawg 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

I think the main issue is that there's just so many people doing the same thing.

Anyone could remember this detail wrong, but it seems so odd that this one in particular is so common.

It is a bit ludicrous to actually go for the switching realities thing. It's funny to suggest, though.

[–]Mr_Propane 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Funny to read too. Some people are absolutely convinced we switched realities because they remembered something wrong.

[–]Shogunfish 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

There are a couple things that make it more likely:

It's a kids book, we were all kids when we read it, it's not like we put a ton of effort into memorizing it or anything. I don't know a ton about memory but I'm pretty sure our brains take all sort of shortcuts on low priority memories.

Stein is a common ending for names, stain isn't

The name already has two e's in it, our brains look for patterns and three e's is a pattern

It seems likely that "berenstein" is simply much easier to remember and since it was an unimportant memory that's what happened

[–]Skrioman 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

It seems likely that "berenstein" is simply much easier to remember and since it was an unimportant memory that's what happened

This explains everything I've come across in this sub. A convincing Mandela Effect example would have the memory being of something that is more remarkable than the present situation. Like someone remembering an Albert Einstain and being shocked to find out his name is spelled -stein in our reality. It makes sense to misremember -stain as -stein, but not the other way around.

[–]janne-bananne 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

And another fun thing: Bernstein and Bärenstein would be actually real words in German, so it makes sense that people might have red these two German worse (the first being amber, the second being a village) before and just associate them.

[–]Notlambda -1ポイント0ポイント  (17子コメント)

I'm of the opinion that alternate universes do exist based on a lot of other data, and that this Berenstein Bears thing MIGHT be an instance of that, or it MIGHT not. It's interesting though. :)

[–]Swamp85 6ポイント7ポイント  (12子コメント)

alternate universes do exist based on a lot of other data

What data?

[–]katacarbix 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

None really. We have no proof that alternate universes exist, but since they would have no effect on our universe they're fun to think about.

[–]Notlambda -3ポイント-2ポイント  (9子コメント)

What data

Experience. Through meditation. What follows is one of those things where it's like "Only me and any other jackass that's done this has seen it, so use your critical thinking cap and call me a retard if you see fit. Really. I'm a big boy. I can take it. You asked, so I'm sharing. "

Meditation is getting pretty popular in western culture as of late, very ironically, as a way to help the ego get ahead in life. People hear studies of how meditation statistically increases the volume of grey matter in the brain and that attracts them to trying the practice for themself. Also it's just a great way to deal with the stress of modern life, so that's another attractor. Eastern religion has successfully been packaged and presented in an enticing commercialized box for western consumers.

But you can't get to what the Buddha was talking about by being selfish. You might achieve some higher level of awareness of yourself, but you're not going to be able to get rid of self by using self.

Let's say you went full Fat Buddha and were to completely acknowledge the self to be a falsity that we've just been accepting as truth out of convenience; then where does that leave "you"? You've decided that there is no "you". The division between yourself and everything else is gone, and you, in a way, lose your old perspective. Your new perspective becomes instead a non-localized, un-centered shape, the shape of EVERYTHING. and boy do I mean EVERYTHING. If you can experience something about reality, it's in this other perspective.

So people have this vision of enlightenment as being able to totally detach from wants and desires, but it's deeper. It's a detachment from the abstractions and compartmentalizations our brains make in their attempt to try to categorize reality. It's saying "NO" to every layer of our neocortex that wants to pretend that reality is something divisible. It's saying "YES" to the only truth we can know for certain: that we have a mind.

Let me elaborate on what I mean by "you are now everything"

You're space; You're time; You're possibilities; You're E V E R Y T H I N G

And you'll look down at yourself and see that there's a shitton going on down there, but really you're just one massive multidimensional shape. One solid entity! Any divisiveness that the people living inside of you are making up is purely their own convenient delusions. Delusions that make them really good at reproducing inside of you, but still delusions. Evolution didn't saddle us with a sense of self for nothing! Thinking we're separate and isolated is a VERY GOOD MOTIVATOR for wanting to not die!

And by the way, at this perspective of one-ness you've all but completely forgotten that your identity is that one dude named notlambda or Swamp85 or whoever the hell you identify as. That guy is as much "you" as any other human(or other creature) that ever:

  • Has existed
  • Is existing
  • Will exist

or

  • COULD exist

in fact at this vantage point of having no identity, time is inside you too, so there is no reference point by which you can claim to be "now". There's no "now", and there's no "correct timeline". Remember general relativity and how time is relative to the observer? Einstein was right in that regard. Remove the individual self(observer) and it can be whatever time you want it to be! It's 5 o'clock somewhere, in all possibilities, and always, Jimmy Buffett!

Deep breath; almost there. I didn't forget that we're not talking about time, we're talking about alternate universes!

It turns out that if you look down at yourself from this big ol' perspective, you'll see that all time is happening simultaneously, and all possibilities are happening simultaneously, as I've said. So the universe is not linear. You're not canoeing down a linear stream called time in which there's only one way to go. You're a vessel in an OCEAN of time and you can go any which way you want, but you're floating within a gulf stream which is your timeline. It might seem like it's linear but it's truly not. It's diverging constantly into other streams and what you perceive as free will is the stream you decide to diverge into when a divergence occurs, which happens VERRRRRY often. Like once every planck second. There's going to be like a virtually infinite number of people that read this reddit post because the universes will have diverged so many times by the time people start reading it. How's that for social media exposure.

So how does this fit in with things like the mandela effect? I'm not sure anyone really knows with confidence yet. This is my tenuous guess based on what I know: you can think of it as if there are an infinite number of gulf currents in this metaphorical ocean, each gulf current representing a timeline. There are LOADS of vessels in each of these currents, each vessel representing an experience of self. Sometimes these currents cross streams, which as we all know from Egon, would be bad. You end up with vessels spilling out into currents that they haven't been floating in, and now they have to re-learn facts about their new timeline/current.

So assuming that BerenstEIn is from another one of these currenty-timeliney-possibility-thingies, then that's the stream the lot of us came from. We've been unceremoniously dumped into the oncoming current of BerenstAIn and here we live.

Like I said. I don't know whether the Berenstein stuff is alternate universe mumbojumbo or not, but I've blown myself up until I was as big as the universe, then I looked at my innards, and sure enough, there's more than a single timeline. So there you have it; completely unscientific and yet still observable.

[–]TriumphantGeorge 3ポイント4ポイント  (8子コメント)

The Infinite Grid. It's there, but you can't share.™

[–]jint3i 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Seriously... Wtf dude? Am I always going to end up running into you like this?

[–]Notlambda -2ポイント-1ポイント  (6子コメント)

I wonder if itll reach a critical mass at some point, like America did. When Colombus first sailed there he didnt have any notion that he'd found a new continent, but as more and more people visited and studied the land, returning with stories, others began to realize the profundity of what had been found, until boom, America became accepted fact.

Maybe that already happened with Christianity and it wasnt good for anybody except the kings and papal state.

[–]TriumphantGeorge 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Or it could be like lucid dreaming: something that people claimed impossible, and now it's accepted as fact, although perhaps not on its own terms. The problem is, there's a lot of cultural baggage that gets in the way of having these experiences or recognising their validity. Particularly because we tend to view content is being important, whereas really the content is arbitrary and its the underlying nature of experiencing itself that is the insight.

Still, I think in terms of science and philosophy we're shifting away from naive materialism again, towards something more like idealism, which might make these things seem less out-there. Maybe there will be more reports of spontaneous experiences and they'll be taken more seriously by knowledge authorities and everyday folk alike.

I guess the early Christian traditions were all about 'the nature of reality' and metaphorical guidelines, rather than an 'entity god' and a set of literal rules? A good example of lost knowledge awaiting rediscovery perhaps.

[–]wellACTUALLYdtdtdt 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

Astronomers who had studied the curvature of the earth had warned that the trip over the Atlantic was much longer than Columbus was banking on. Columbus didn't think he was going to discover something new, he just thought the globe was smaller than it really is. Not sure how this example is making your point?

I mean, what about the people who were living there before Columbus came? Just because Europeans didn't know about them doesn't mean anything significant.

[–]Notlambda -1ポイント0ポイント  (3子コメント)

Youre right. It was a metaphor that deliberately had those details left out.

The people living there before colombus came would represent the people that have already seen these things.

[–]wellACTUALLYdtdtdt 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Ok, sorry, I didn't catch the equivalency you were trying to make with the metaphor. Maybe rephrase it?

[–]Notlambda -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

No problem! Good idea. I'll drop the metaphor. All I'm really saying is maybe more and more people will become aware that they are this one being, and they'll continue to share their experiences. There's a strong commonality between all of these experiences. Eventually it'll hit the point where enough people have talked about it that it'll become maybe as accepted as something like lucid dreaming, as TriumphantGeorge mentioned.

As a belief the idea that we're one thing can already be accepted because the idea of categorization as something real as apposed to being a tool of abstraction just hasn't met it's burden of proof. You can't REALLY divide things. It's not like an apple really exists. It's not separate from the air around itself. It's just a useful concept for us as a species to see and recognize the apple as a distinct thing. It's fallacious to do so, but it's pretty damn good for us.

Now all that doesn't necessarily imply alternate universes, but it does imply that if one were to lose their own perspective, they'd simultaneously gain the perspective of everything, if everything truly does have a perspective of its own.

[–]jint3i 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

It's interesting though

Seriously. It's an entertaining thought. All the people trying to convince others one way or the other are trying too hard. If alternate realities are out there then it's possible that everyone is correct but it really depends on which reality is making the observation whether or not there is any "truth" to the observation.

tl;dr: Calm down. We're all here for different reasons. No need to try and prove some point.

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    [–]jint3i 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

    If alternate realities are really out there, that would make the belief that alternate realities arent out there wrong in every alternate universe.

    Your argument doesn't make sense if you really stop to think about it. Had you opted to use a term like "observation" in the place of "belief" I might be inclined to agree with you.

    What you are saying can be refuted readily with a look at how religion works in a contemporary sense. Group A believes in the bible and affirms that it is the truth. Group B believes in the quran and affirms that it is the truth. Group C follows the vedas. So on and so forth.

    All of these systems coexist in the absence of concrete evidence proving any of them individually over others. The determining factor in their perceived reality is the belief held by those inside or outside of the groups. That is to say maybe they're all wrong.

    And if that's not a good enough explanation, try this one:

    https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/composition-division

    [–]Notlambda 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I didn't expect a reply so quick and I deleted my comment, considering against getting into a conversation, so I'm glad you quoted me in your response! :)

    So I'm thinking you're close, but that that fallacy does not apply here, because the statement "there are alternate realities to this one" is a statement about the entire composition. It's saying that no matter what universe you're in, there's at least one other universe out there.

    That was an implicit premise.

    [–]iamkentish 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I 100% agree. A lot of people saying they "remember" it definitely being stein actually don't. Too many of these people are jumping on the bandwagon because the easy spelling has been suggested and looks more natural than the reality. Stein will always look more natural than stain because it's so much more common to see.

    Names like this are so easy to misread or misspell. For a long time, I thought the actress was Mary Steinburgen. So did a couple of friends. We still pronounced it the same way. Did we cross into a parallel universe? Probably not. We just read a name wrong for a long time and assumed it was correct until we learnt the truth.

    Also, I've asked family members how to spell the name Berenstain (literally minutes after reading the books to a nephew). They still got it wrong despite having read the name multiple times and even saying the word out loud. Seeing stein is evidence of lazy reading and filling in the gaps with knowledge of far more popular spellings.

    [–]chibivenser 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I've now accepted that it was always -stain, but for a couple of hours after learning of this effect (a couple months ago), I was a bit shocked. Lucky for my brain, I recall doing a book report on one of them in elementary school or something and learning that the name was not spelled -stein like I expected. It's a distant memory, but helps me grasp the reality of the -stain.

    Or is this just by brain adapting to the flow of the current universe and convincing myself otherwise? :)

    [–]BlazikenTrees 11ポイント12ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Just today my mom had a yard sale and I came across one of my old books. Sure enough... it said Berenstain.

    [–]JustAHooker 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

    If you truly have crossed realities or merfed realities or however you wish to say it, this would be the case. Your old books with the "stein" suffix would no longer have the e, having been replaced rather by an a.

    [–]valzilla2000 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Well, I'm the only one I know that has always remembered it having an A. No alternate universes for me.

    [–]hawkshaw1024 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I'm really happy this subreddit happened to be trending today, because it helped clear up something of a mystery. I'm not from America, so my first encounter with the Berenstดins was an article on the web talking about the "Berensteins" while the picture of a book cover in the article said "Berenstain" - and for some reason the comments made a big deal out of it. I never knew why. Thanks, Reddit!

    [–]Wanderrrs 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

    This topic trips me out lol in grade school I always remembered it being spelled with an "a". How I remembered this was because my teacher's name was Mrs Stein and I would think they're almost the same I just have to switch out the "e". Well fast forward to about a month ago I asked my mom if they still read the Berenstain Bears books in schools (she's a elementary teacher) and she asked me if I meant the "Berenstein Bears". So we went back and forth for a bit on the spelling. I pull out my phone to check turns out she was right. There was even an article done on it that said it was the weird spelling on the cover that made ppl think it was spelled with an "a"... Well I checked it again right before posting this and somehow it's changed back to being spelled with an "a" not an "e"?? Like I said, this topic trips me out.

    [–]BeamMeUpScarlett 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

    That's actually insane

    [–]Wanderrrs 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I know I know it sounds crazy lol but I remember it clearly because my mom kept correcting me on how to say it because she said I kept pronouncing it wrong & that it has an E in it so I should say it with a hard ee sound instead of saying "stain".

    [–]TheMinecraft13 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I guess you started in the "a" universe, then shifted over to the "e" universe just before they merged and the "a" universe came out on top.

    [–]Otadiz 1ポイント2ポイント  (10子コメント)

    What we we exactly post here?

    That I'm from the timline E and now it's A and I can't sleep at night?

    [–]AssCrackBanditHunter 12ポイント13ポイント  (5子コメント)

    That there are alternate universes where the only things that differ are inconsequential pieces of pop culture.

    No one's ever from a universe where everyone had 6 fingers, or where America was colonized by Russia. For some reason these universe's pivot around shit like the spelling of the Berenstain bears. I.e. Shit that is easy to forge hazy or false memories out of if someone were to suggest it's actually spelled Berenstein.

    [–]HubbaMaBubba 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

    Well technically we could have switched with an alternate that has no differences, which there are a lot of if there truly is infinite universes.

    [–]AssCrackBanditHunter -3ポイント-2ポイント  (3子コメント)

    "well technically" is the copout way to say you're right but what if

    [–]HubbaMaBubba 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

    I wasn't disagreeing with you, just trying to add something potentially interesting.

    [–]AssCrackBanditHunter -3ポイント-2ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I'd say it doesn't add too much. Everyone is already suggesting we're switching to alternative universes with more similarities than differences, and I was countering with the idea that it's probably more likely to be imperfections in the human brain than imperfections in the universe

    [–]HubbaMaBubba 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I was just saying that alternative universes aren't necessarily different at all, so it's possible for us to have switched with zero evidence at all. Of course it's very unlikely, but still possible.

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      [–]Otadiz 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

      I don't.

      I just wanted to clarify what was supposed to go here.

      [–]UniversalChairs 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

      My guess is that all new posts about this subject should be posted as comments in this thread rather than creating a bajillion new posts on the same topic, hence why this thread is stickied.

      [–]Otadiz -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

      That was my guess too

      [–]mitch_fwbsbpt 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I asked my mom to spell the book with the bears in it (I never said the word berenstain, just slowly gave more details) and she spelled it ei. I mean of course I don't think it's because of parallel universes because I'm not a fucking lunatic.... but I do think it's a fun little game that shows you how strong the human mind can be, and that if you believe something that isn't true hard enough, it will be nearly impossible to convince your brain otherwise.

      [–]CatFortune 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

      I thought it was the Bernstein Bears.

      [–]Parallel universesDenominax[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Maybe you're remembering the bernstein lawfirm?

      [–]arianw21 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I remember seeing this first come up in an old AskReddit a while ago so I'm curious as to how it spread. Anyone know who spread it? Suddenly I see Facebook people talking about this