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[–]QuietrabbitJASPER DID NOTHING WRONG #FreeJasper 87ポイント88ポイント  (2子コメント)

: An experience?

[–]neodusk[S] 28ポイント29ポイント  (0子コメント)

Someone pointed out to me a while ago that the staff did actually have that as their response to this question. I just wanted to think of how Steven/Connie might respond to it, in their childish naivety.

I think I only just slightly underestimated how controversial it was going to be, and for that I apologize to anyone who thought its intention was to conflate gender with biological sex.

[–]RanRanFu 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Exactly, just the same as Garnet or any other fusion.

[–]IAnADinosaurRARR 61ポイント62ポイント  (2子コメント)

Garnet Approves ;)

[–]nixlheimrPearl/Sapphire friendshipping needs to be a thing. 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

The thumbs up is so priceless.

[–]neodusk[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm glad SOMEONE does.

[–]Shahars71YOU HAVE BEEN BLESSED BY THE TRIPLE EYED HAPPY 125ポイント126ポイント  (9子コメント)

tmw Stevonnie sees what's under her pants and it's just a crotch with nothing on it except for the words "An experience" written on it.

[–]Earthward-Bound 13ポイント14ポイント  (8子コメント)

Well, if rose had to shapeshift a womb... and amethyst had to shapeshift a digestive tract... that might actually be accurate.

[–]glimpee 2ポイント3ポイント  (6子コメント)

Did Amethyst and Pearl have to shapeshift them? Was that mentioned?

[–]Earthward-Bound 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Tweets from matt confirmed that much, iirc.

[–]yugibenMy face caterpillars say hello! 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Well Rose had to shapeshift it because gems are genderless as per canon, meaning if she wanted genitals and a uterus...

But also gems don't need to eat, but how else will amethyst remove food as waste from her body? She'd not need to digest it necessarily, but excretion, she'd need to shapeshift those parts.

[–]glimpee 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Pearl said she hated the digestive process, so one can assume she has digestive organs for some reason

[–]BirdMomIsBestMomBirdMomIsBestMom 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Pearl?

[–]glimpee 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Both eat and poop

Pearl said she hated the process

[–]Taven 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

The gems needed to shapeshift them because the Gem's didn't have those parts naturally. Steven and Connie have all the parts naturally. If their entire body (arms / face / hair / legs / voice box, etc) get meshed together into one, it'd be kind of strange if their genitals didn't mesh together into one. My take on why the Crewniverse calls it an "experience" (aside from being the cute garnet reference) is because it would certainly be an experience to have both, and because it's a kids show so the subject of describing genitals / sex isn't PG and therefore they really can't say anything publicly. It's one of those things they'd rather leave up to the audience to think about.

And as Earthward-Bound mentions further down on this post:

It'd be pretty normal for them to check their sex, considering both steven and connie seem to align their gender with their sex.

[–]just4thelolzDarth Nacre is real 32ポイント33ポイント  (12子コメント)

That's cheating.

[–]neodusk[S] 36ポイント37ポイント  (11子コメント)

They just peeked at the back of the textbook.

[–]megatricineratorThey're coming... In 30 minutes or less! 13ポイント14ポイント  (10子コメント)

yeah, who didn't do that for math class?

[–]RainyDays321 12ポイント13ポイント  (9子コメント)

Shhh

[–]TheFuzzyPicklerA Mom of Ice and Fire 16ポイント17ポイント  (8子コメント)

We don't need to be quiet, Rainy.

The math teacher can't hurt us anymore.

We can talk as loudly as we want about cheating and we don't have to be afraid, Rainy!

This is a new day. This is our new life!

[–]Joe_The_Armadillo 13ポイント14ポイント  (7子コメント)

Rips off my mask to reveal my true form underneath: a middle-aged divorced woman with a scowl

Mr. /u/TheFuzzyPickler, I'd like to see you and *Mrs * /u/RainyDays321 after class for a talk..... a talk your parents will be very interested in...

EDIT: Edit? What edit? I didn't edit anything. It's against my religion of noeditism to edit things. In fact, maybe you edited something! Huh! Think about that! And now you're going to edit hell because of your dirty urge to fix mistakes!

[–]RainyDays321 6ポイント7ポイント  (5子コメント)

I feel so bad for Mr. /u/RainyDays321

Get it? Cause I'm actually a Ms.

[–]Joe_The_Armadillo 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

That's what I said...Ms. /u/RainyDays321...

You can't prove me wrong, I'm a math teacher. I'll use calculus to prove you're incorrect and somehow broke the law. All thanks to the power of math. Something you all shall learn soon, either peacefully or by force.

[–]RainyDays321 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Well the back of my math textbook mathematically confirms that you are a--

Frantically flips pages

--You're a poopyhead!

Get rekt m8

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    [–]glimpee -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

    "EDIT:"

    [–]cyberscythePlaying swords! I mean, playing with swords. 47ポイント48ポイント  (3子コメント)

    "Christ it's like a Swiss Army knife down there."

    [–]DiscoBombing 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

    >Corruption of Champions Stevonnie

    Rebecca pls

    [–]futalover99Peridot is bae 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I would pay for this.

    [–]dragon567Elegant! 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Oh god, no.

    [–]Bluestorm83 38ポイント39ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Anyone ever see the "It's Pat" sketches on Saturday Night Live? It was about a person named Pat who wasn't obviously either male nor female, and it bugged the crap out of people who couldn't figure it out. One time, Pat introduced Chris (or Kris,) who was introduced as "Pat's lover." Chris/Kris was just as androgynous as pat was, adding to peoples' consternation.

    Anyway, there was one sketch, maybe even the last one, where Pat's at a ball game with Tim Meadows and Kevin Nealon, I think, and they're standing in between the men's bathroom and the women's bathroom. They're like, "What's wrong, Pat, didn't you need to use the restroom?" Pat looks at the both, and goes to say something. Then, as part of the sketch, the scene is "interrupted" by news about the election. It comes back to Pat smiling and shrugging, and Tim and Kevin jumping up and down, embracing, shouting "I understand! I finally know!" The end.

    This reminded me of that.

    [–]nvolker 19ポイント20ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Stevonnie: "uhh... No?"

    [–]HoedoorSteven's Original Character 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Or maybe yes?

    [–]neodusk[S] 16ポイント17ポイント  (0子コメント)

    If you prefer tumblr: http://neoduskcomics.tumblr.com/post/126820829422/steven-universe-ask-stevonnie-this-is-a

    [–]JasionoI know you wanna tatter my tots. 7ポイント8ポイント  (4子コメント)

    I just imagine an empty void through which all the cosmos can be seen. Just like, something incomprehensible and non-euclidean. Like looking at it would cause an ordinary being to be driven mad in seconds.

    [–]HoedoorSteven's Original Character 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Oh so just like Peach

    Though I guess Rosalina stole that title by having a literal galaxy in there

    [–]edrudathec 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Like this?

    [–]General_NothingMa mama, ma mama ma. 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Is that a Klein bottle?

    [–]TheFuzzyPicklerA Mom of Ice and Fire 15ポイント16ポイント  (3子コメント)

    "Uh, boy. Pretty sure we're a boy."

    "Wait, flip it over."

    "Like this?"

    "Yeah, see? We're a girl."

    "No, no, no. See, if I turn it inside out and pull it down, you can see we're a boy."

    "Hang on. Try tying it in a knot around your finger, then tugging on it three times."

    "...two...three..."

    "Yep, definitely a girl."

    "But if we stretch it as far as it can go, and flap it like bird wings while singing the Beach City anthem..."

    "MAYOR DEWEY! MAYOR DEWEY! MAYOR DEWEY!"

    "...We're a boy."

    "I give up. Let's just call it a bajumbly and be done with it."

    [–]SmartAlec105GNU Terry Pratchett 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

    It's really weird that I was imagining what that'd look like against my will. I'm guessing it's like play dough or something where you can just reshape it.

    [–]TheFuzzyPicklerA Mom of Ice and Fire 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I imagined it was like a Dr. Seuss contraption.

    [–]SmartAlec105GNU Terry Pratchett 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    If it was then this entire thread would be in his style and rhyme.

    [–]ThunderFenixBR 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I saw it on tumblr earlier, really good!

    [–]tom641Lovin' the Big D 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Garnet continues to be the best.

    [–]zanhoshi 17ポイント18ポイント  (8子コメント)

    As a genderqueer individual, I refuse to be offended by this adorable comic. Keep up the great work!

    [–]neodusk[S] 12ポイント13ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I know this might seem petty, but thank you so much for this affirmation. Some people have basically been telling me that I'm terrible for making this comic (and I'm not saying they're necessarily wrong, but it does things to the brittle self-esteem of the reclusive artist) so this was nice to see.

    [–]DiscoBombing 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Those kinds of people stuck and actually hate being validated more than not. Just ignore them. They're not important.

    [–]ItsJustJossYou don't know what I've done in these shoes! 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I totally feel you on this. I mean, they are kids....the whole "sex vs gender" thing is something that I'm sure neither Steven nor Connie would even begin to think about. I saw what was coming by the second panel, and thought it was hilarious.

    [–]formlex7GOOD MORNING 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Don't worry other people will be offended for you.

    [–]zanhoshi 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    They don't speak for me.

    [–]Zergrump 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

    What exactly does queer mean anyway? I hear it often but still don't really have its meaning.

    [–]zanhoshi 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

    It means I do not declare any particular gender, but I'm also not sure my physical sex matches my internal gender model. If I had to put a finer point on it, I'd say I identify as right down the middle between masculine and feminine.

    [–]weeabooninjaA spoonfull of Sugar helps the heart break in half 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    so a gender agnostic then

    [–]Lapis_MirrorKeep Beach City Mirrored! 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)


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    [–]Earthward-Bound 23ポイント24ポイント  (2子コメント)

    It'd be pretty normal for them to check their sex, considering both steven and connie seem to align their gender with their sex.

    [–]ItsJustJossYou don't know what I've done in these shoes! 12ポイント13ポイント  (1子コメント)

    ...considering both steven and connie seem to align their gender with their sex.

    That is actually an intelligent, well thought out reasoning.

    [–]kyratheon 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Yes.

    [–]JamSaJanked 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    This will be the plot of "Know Your Fusion"

    [–]So-Strange 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

    https://youtu.be/7DxN9UoUa20?t=16

    [–]futalover99Peridot is bae 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Sorry about the people in the thread getting butt-hurt over a little for-fun comic that isn't even remotely 'cissexist', as someone who doesn't identify as male or female, I can tell you that I found this comic hilarious, and I applaud you to make more.

    [–]neodusk[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Oh, well, thank you very much. It's very validating to hear.

    [–]xaerielle 4ポイント5ポイント  (34子コメント)

    whisper gender is not equal to sex!

    [–]DOMAN127Lars and Sadie totally banged 4ポイント5ポイント  (10子コメント)

    Forgive my ignorance, but what's the difference? The dictionary tells me that they're identical, so this discrepancy must be a new thing.

    [–]nvolker 1ポイント2ポイント  (7子コメント)

    Your sex is determined by your biology (e.g. someone with XX chromosomes is genetically female). Gender is what you identify as. Caitlyn Jenner's sex is male, but gender is female.

    [–]DOMAN127Lars and Sadie totally banged 0ポイント1ポイント  (6子コメント)

    How is Caitlyn Jenner's sex male? She had a sex change operation, no?

    [–]nvolker 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Sex change operations do not change your chromosomes, they just change your genitals.

    [–]DOMAN127Lars and Sadie totally banged 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

    I don't get how this word discrepancy started. Clearly this is a new thing, and both words used to be synonyms, (source: dictionary). Why didn't people just pick a new word instead of changing the definition of one that already had a meaning? People shouldn't be surprised when people don't know the difference--they don't know any better because nobody told them it was changed.

    [–]nvolker 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

    First Oxford definition of "gender"

    The state of being male or female (typically used with reference to social and cultural differences rather than biological ones):

    http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/gender

    Second Oxford definition of "sex" (the first being the activity, not the characteristic):

    Either of the two main categories (male and female) into which humans and most other living things are divided on the basis of their reproductive functions

    http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/sex

    Regardless, dictionaries are documentation of how people use words. They are not a rule book for you should and shouldn't use words. For example, just because the dictionary says that "literally" literally can mean "figuratively," it does not mean that that is considered a "correct" usage of the word. It just means some people use it that way.

    [–]DOMAN127Lars and Sadie totally banged 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I agree with you about the 'literally' thing, but you're defeating your own argument. By your logic, just because people started using "gender" differently than "sex", that doesn't mean it's correct.

    [–]edrudathec 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I think sex also has stuff to do with your genetalia.

    [–]SmartAlec105GNU Terry Pratchett 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Some define it by your chromosomes. They usually synch up except for very rare cases.

    [–]Earthward-Bound 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    The difference is that sex is a biological property, and gender is a social label used to prejudge people. By separating the two, people can choose to define themselves, rather than being defined by their genitals.

    [–]HoedoorSteven's Original Character 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Pretty much the difference is that gender is what you identify as and sex is what you are biologically. So for most but not all its the same

    [–]chipperpip 13ポイント14ポイント  (13子コメント)

    The author mentions that at the bottom of the original post.

    Also, common English language isn't really currently set up to differentiate between gender and sex, which leads to a lot of confusion.

    [–]DarthRedditAlienThe PEARLFECT waifu -4ポイント-3ポイント  (11子コメント)

    I think in (western cultures at least) the idea that sex doesn't mean gender is pretty well established

    [–]BrainBlowXiz so gud 13ポイント14ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Hardly. Even lots of people who're accepting of transgender people in the first place are easily confused when it comes to the usage of words in this context.

    [–]Earthward-Bound -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

    And we still have people using trans as an abbreviation, as though transgender and transsexual are the same.

    [–]ItsJustJossYou don't know what I've done in these shoes! 3ポイント4ポイント  (8子コメント)

    Actually, no. We are still very ass backwards about it all. We are getting better, but most of the western word still has its head up its ass.

    [–]galvanicmechamorphGO. HAVE. FUN! 1ポイント2ポイント  (7子コメント)

    I don't think it's very ass backwards when it's this recent. I personally think that redefining the term gender when gender identity does the job just fine just lead to confusion everywhere.

    [–]ItsJustJossYou don't know what I've done in these shoes! 0ポイント1ポイント  (6子コメント)

    The concept of "If it has a penis, it is a boy" and its female counter part is not recent. That is the part that is ass backwards. God forbid somebodies gender not correspond with their physical sex.

    [–]galvanicmechamorphGO. HAVE. FUN! 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

    I mean that the terms are relatively new and not that set in stone, so you can't say not using them in the exact way we do now is 'ass backwards'.

    [–]ItsJustJossYou don't know what I've done in these shoes! 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

    Ok, so the terms are new....my point is that Western culture (and a fair portion of European from what I understand) is very behind the times (ass backwards) in understanding the fact that you don't have to exhibit the gender traits that are most usually associated with your physical sex. We are just now starting to get smart about gender issues, and it is about damn time.

    Disagreement aside, I like your username.

    [–]galvanicmechamorphGO. HAVE. FUN! 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

    I agree with that.

    Thanks, you are one of two people in all of reddit to get it without me explaining. Oddly enough, both times I was on /r/stevenuniverse.

    [–]ItsJustJossYou don't know what I've done in these shoes! 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

    To be honest, I know Galvans were the little grey smart ones. Mechamorhps were...the green and black ones right?

    [–]DarthRedditAlienThe PEARLFECT waifu 0ポイント1ポイント  (7子コメント)

    My exact thought when I read this was "come on stevonnie that's not going to tell you your gender silly goose"

    [–]nvolker 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Maybe the question just made them realize they had no idea what their genitals looked like?

    ...that's a good comment for /r/nocontext

    [–]DarthRedditAlienThe PEARLFECT waifu 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Good point, they've been either been pretty busy while Stevonnie or only fused for a short time

    [–]ItsJustJossYou don't know what I've done in these shoes! 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

    You are absolutely correct. It isn't. But it was funny as hell none the less.

    [–]DarthRedditAlienThe PEARLFECT waifu 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Yes I did have a good laugh

    [–]SmartAlec105GNU Terry Pratchett 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

    I dunno. For their whole lives sex=gender so they might think that checking could help them figure it out.

    [–]DarthRedditAlienThe PEARLFECT waifu 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Instead checking only confused them more...or at least in my head canon it does

    [–]SmartAlec105GNU Terry Pratchett 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    It's funnier that way so I say yes.

    [–]RainyDays321 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Types Typing is not whispering.

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      [–]DmitraelTregardisI wish I had Finn Balor's abs 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      How am I the first person to post this?

      [–]RoneciBye... 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I am just going to point out that some people do base their own gender off of what gonads they're equipped with. So just because Stevonnie checks, it doesn't mean that's what you have to do to decide if you're a boy or a girl, and it also isn't the wrong way.

      Now carry on.

      [–]EntomoligistSteven tagged you, now you have to turn into Steven! 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I'd be afraid to check.

      [–]LoginxGamesYeah girl, you're green with it. 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Are people really getting upset over this? Really? You're not going to take into account these characters' standard views of gender or naivety as children? Seriously?

      [–]FartikusVIDEOGAMES SMELL LIKE CHRISTMAS 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DxN9UoUa20

      [–]Kasufertthank 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      mrw fusion jokes

      [–]Rabid-Duck-KingIs a total monster. 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I can't see anything but a horde of writhing tentacles.

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