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[–]Endorsed Contributorabdada -17ポイント-16ポイント  (82子コメント)

It's comical to me to see these don't get married posts.

Putting money on the pedestal like this shows your cards -- you don't have a strong net worth nor a strong earning ability, so you fear losing money.

I've been divorce raped. Seven figures. Guess what?

I made it all back and more. I age like wine, my ex aged like milk left in the sun in the Sahara.

And a decade later, she's blown the cash and I'm still able to date coeds.

I'd marry again. Just wouldn't marry a loser who doesn't value me over my bank balance.

Almost all my inner circle are happily married guys. I don't see divorces happen when the man captains the ship and selects a good first mate.

I see plenty of divorces when a guy marries a so-called trophy wife.

[–]2 Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 40ポイント41ポイント  (9子コメント)

I've been homeless due to divorces for a total of five years, unless you're making enough that 68% of your gross still leaves you something after taxes, it's damn difficult to rebuild your life. Figure 22% to 24% for taxes, and it doesn't leave you much. Earn more, they adjust it and take more. I just finished 14 years of that shit. Here I am, 46, starting over again slightly better off than I was at 25.

Money is rather important when you don't have enough because anything you earn is taken from you and given to a cheating piece of shit, simply because she has a vagina.

You may not have noticed, but there aren't as many millionaires as there are thousandaires, and the rest of us proletarian low brow losers.You get a better deal because you can afford the better lawyer, and/or the judge doesn't feel like punishing you as much. You could apparently do lump sum, whereas I had to fork over every month, relegating me to an indentured servant for a quarter of my life.

So fucking what if she's aged like a fruit fly, she got 20 years of free ride on my back, while I scraped, struggled, and even had to cheat the system just to live inside and eat something. How do you get ahead when the system is designed to hold you down under the poverty level? Lets knock you down to $1000 a month, hold you there for 15 years and see how you fare.

You didn't get raped, you got fucked. I was beaten to a bloody pulp and left to die. There is no fucking way I will ever marry again, because the chance of her getting everything I've built, for nothing more than renting a moist furry patch, is too fucking great. I am rebuilding, doing it myself, alone, and I'll be damned if I will give some cunt the opportunity to profit off me without putting anything in.

Sure, find the right girl. Be the captain. Yeah, I did that. The captain got sick for a bit and the first mate jumped ship. She jumped into a sinking dinghy with no oars, sail, or motor, but she still jumped. When she jumped, she scuttled my ship for nearly a complete loss.

Yeah, it's different for us proles.

[–]BrenzoG 16ポイント17ポイント  (10子コメント)

"I lost half my money and don't care"

What a fucking dumb statement. You sound like the most scorned man ever - still pissed she's with someone else eh?

Someone needs to pop over to r/personalfinance to brush up on how to not lose all your money.

[–]Reflexiver 4ポイント5ポイント  (8子コメント)

Everyone has his own objectives.

You marry because its suits yours.

If money is your primary and mostly objective then the first rule is to not lose money, supposing you are compounding them. As /u/vengefully_yours describes, it took him 19 years to just get back to a "normal" situation.

As the well known story goes, 10 straight years of 16% compound are far ahead of 9 straight years at 20% and one heavy loss at the tenth year. Never lose money.

But it is clear you also value other things which goes in AND ( ^ ) with money.

[–]2 Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not living in my car is my objective. I do things with the money I get, build, research, explore, and develop. Money isn't my focus, knowledge is.

Still, losing money for no good reason, and being forced to give it to someone who never earned it is one of the greater insults of my life.

[–]DarkSayed 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

It's comical to me to see these don't get married posts.

Divorce rape aside, why get married? There's nothing to gain from it.

[–]Endorsed Contributorabdada -2ポイント-1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Answered in another comment on this thread.

[–]DarkSayed 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Fair points. Only number 2 applies to me - would love to have some help with the chores and general house-hold and financial management.

[–]Endorsed Contributorabdada 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

As others said, you can hire out many of those things.

But I always loved that woman's intimate touch in my homes.

Even tho my ex-wife was a wreck, she kept up a great home.

[–]1redpillbanana 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

I admire the courage and defiance in this post.

At the same time, I wouldn't recommend this path to others. Like Bill Burr said: how many great men have to be cut in half before we do something? And many men have been chopped in half several times.

[–]Endorsed Contributorabdada -4ポイント-3ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's exactly the right response.

And to spike it, remember one thing about all producers in the world: those who take risks earn rewards.

But risks must be calculated. Contingencies must be planned for. And if you follow common wisdom in taking a risk, expect bad outcomes.

I don't suggest marriage is the way. I just don't berate it, if the man is a man, and the man understands the risks, there could be rewards.

[–]redgixxer 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

You can buy allot of pretty nice hookers for seven figures.. Just saying

[–]KungPaoEllenTheFist 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Putting money on the pedestal like this shows your cards -- you don't have a strong net worth nor a strong earning ability, so you fear losing money.

The hamster is strong with this one.

I've been divorce raped. Seven figures.

Ha! Putting pussy on a pedestal like this really shows your cards. You don't have a strong frame nor strong enough game, so you fear losing a bitch to the tune of paying her seven figures for her time.

I'd marry again.

Then you haven't learned anything. It's comical to me to see all of these pro-marriage posts. All of you are so desperately afraid of being alone that you will pay women to stick around. That is scarcity mentality on steroids. So throw away your life if you aren't man enough to handle the truth. But you can fuck right off with this shaming men into marriage shit. You sound just like any other bitch.

[–]1sardinemanR 8ポイント9ポイント  (8子コメント)

If anyone is dumb enough to actually change their entire mindset after reading your drivel, they deserve what's coming to them and were never RP to begin with, just as you aren't.

[–]watch_ping 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Sure, you'll marry again when you fine that unicorn that doesn't value you bank account right. You've forgotten that AWALT bud.

[–]Endorsed Contributorabdada -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Unicorn?

Why do all guys here think RPWs don't exist?

So weird to me to see everyone in anger mode forever.

[–]mucle6[S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (13子コメント)

What do you personally get out of being married?

[–]MRSubM 10ポイント11ポイント  (5子コメント)

He is just heavily invested in the institution.

Im sorry but saying i've been divorce raped, so what. Its just terrible advice.

All young men need to man up and take the pussy of the Pedestal and put the money on one. Fuck what women want, the little cunts have endless needs.

Fuck their need for marriage and commitment and do whatever you like and be happy.

[–]2 Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

Fuck their need for marriage and commitment and do whatever you like and be happy.

Fucking exactly right. It's true, they don't need us financially, but we still are made to pay her by the old system where she was helpless without us. So she profits, we get punished.

[–]Endorsed Contributorabdada 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

I'm invested in the institution called "successful living".

All men of power that I interact with are either married, widowed, or gay.

If your social network is bums, assume you're one of them. I've never seen a social network of all Chads. Not one that lasts beyond a few years.

I know a lot of ex-Chads who are fat and married to donut eating hamplanets. Those guys never learned anything but getting laid.

Pick a name of a 35+ year old winner in society. Hell, pick 50 names.

[–]MRSubM 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not everyone who has money is busy socialising. There are plenty of extremely wealthy people that would prefer to eat glass then do functions, keep up with the neighbours and furiously network.

Most of the time at these social gatherings everyone is just a narcissist.

I think being social for a man is most healthy when involved with sports. Its team orientated and the women bother you less as you are busy doing something.

[–]trp_zzz 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm invested in the institution called "successful living".

All men of power that I interact with ...

Sure. Marriage is a convenient and useful fig leaf for pastors, politicians, and others in positions that require a show of social proof/responsibility. Look at Bill and Hillary Clinton - marriage benefits them both, it's a business decision.

[–]CHAD_J_THUNDERCOCK 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is a good point that is not often considered. But they are from a previous generation where marriage was a different contract. I think its starting to change as people wise up. Also if I picked 50 losers aged 50, most of them would be married too.

[–]Endorsed Contributorabdada 3ポイント4ポイント  (6子コメント)

There are a lot of reasons why marriage can be an option. If you are a low brow dude and plan on staying there, I agree that marriage doesn't make sense.

If you plan on hoisting yourself out of beer and bowling league...

  1. Social networking -- having a high value woman means opportunities as she socializes with wives of other high status men.
  2. Domestic relations -- having a woman who manages your home well means you don't need to stress over laundry, household cleaning or making sure your meals are delicious and fit your macros.
  3. Emotional intimacy -- I prefer LTRs to just bachelordom because I actually appreciate seeing hypergamy muted when a woman is well maintained. While I am aware that a woman's display of love is unnatural, it is still pretty enjoyable and a good sign I'm keeping my SMV high.
  4. Children. I want kids. I am uncertain if I want to send them to school, but if I do, being married to a socially responsible woman means upscale private school doors open. If I do send my kids to schooling, it'll be with kids of other high brow families. Not gutter rats.
  5. Old age support. My dad is in his 70s and blind. His wife is over 30 years younger. She has a simple part time job and takes good care of him without being a financial burden herself.
  6. Public jewelry. I "wear" my intimate women as a display in social settings. There's a lot of value in people saying "he married her? he's got value" versus Chad Thundercock who everyone knows isn't capable of lasting relationships. My clients wouldn't trust me with their businesses if I showed up with a new Trixie every 3 dinners.

There's more but I'm mobile.

[–]1TomDemian 6ポイント7ポイント  (3子コメント)

Social networking -- having a high value woman means opportunities as she socializes with wives of other high status men.

Warren Buffett's wife socialized her way into another man's bed, but not before getting Warren to spend tons of money on all the various "causes" she supported. He supported her financially when she moved across the country to fuck the other guy.

Domestic relations -- having a woman who manages your home well means you don't need to stress over laundry, household cleaning or making sure your meals are delicious and fit your macros.

I would suggest a maid and learning how to cook. It's not hard at all.

Children. I want kids. I am uncertain if I want to send them to school, but if I do, being married to a socially responsible woman means upscale private school doors open. If I do send my kids to schooling, it'll be with kids of other high brow families. Not gutter rats.

Warren Buffett had a lovely wife who raised their children in the best ways... and they all turned out to pretty much be losers who squandered everything that was given to them.

Public jewelry. I "wear" my intimate women as a display in social settings. There's a lot of value in people saying "he married her? he's got value"

Warren Buffett demonstrated value just by talking to people. He married because he needed a woman around to do basic things for him because he's basically autistic. She never did anything for his business, other than freeing him from tasks he found too difficult to manage on his own. Like making meals.

Maybe you're like Buffett and you need a mommy, but I think most people can do without one.

[–]Endorsed Contributorabdada -2ポイント-1ポイント  (2子コメント)

You're aware that Warren Buffet and his ex wife were openly polyamorous, right?

[–]1TomDemian 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

I didn't get that impression from the biographies I read.

[–]zombig 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Susie was a total slut though, read The Snowball. But then Warren was a needy beta (and maybe mildly autistic, as you described) with a bipolar mom, just bear that in mind. Mommy's issues. Apart from that, he is a hero.

Astrid was also "chosen" by Susie, women are good judges of the character when it comes to other women. Astrid actually has a great character for a woman.

[–]MRSubM 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Socialising and hosting events is primarily a female occupation, I cant see how a man would want to invite that into his life. Apart from serving a function of entertaining clients to get more business. But still that would be a pain in the ass.

I employ a cleaner vs having a girl live with me, its far cheaper then having a girl/wife weigh down the finances.

Most high brow communities are full of pricks, The Orange County set? The old age Palm desert golfers? New York upper east side snobs? Listening to the small talk from these high brow groups is similar to torture.

Having money and building an estate is always a good idea, but why risk it for a Women, just be the man of the house and let the women come and go.

[–]ComradeCynic 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Interesting comments and perspective, something to think about on my hike (as I am improving myself).

[–]R-U_Serious 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

Nothing personal but your opinion is a load of horse shit.

[–]Endorsed Contributorabdada -3ポイント-2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Except I write for guys who aren't neckbeards, dig?

[–]R-U_Serious 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Fuck you pal when you say that all you do is show who you are not what you think I am and just so we're clear I have no problem letting fools have the last word.

[–]Nothing_Gazes_Back 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Spoken like a privileged cunt that doesn't know what it's like to have nothing.

[–]Endorsed Contributorabdada -3ポイント-2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Dad came to the US on a boat. Mom didn't speak English til I was 5.

Mom right now lives in an 880 sqft house and dad has a 2 bedroom condo in Florida.

Nice try moron.

[–]Nothing_Gazes_Back -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Did you want some applause? Ego validation? Piss off.

[–]GrandmasterHurricane 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

If you enjoy giving people free rides when they don't earn it, then more power to you. There are men out there who just want to watch the world burn, no matter how it happens.

[–]Endorsed Contributorabdada -2ポイント-1ポイント  (4子コメント)

Who's to say marriage is a free ride if a man actually leads the family and household properly?

[–]GrandmasterHurricane 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

The free ride is when she divorces you and decides to take half your shit that she didn't work for, out of spite. Marriage would be fair, if most women weren't so fucking spiteful and out for as much as they can get for free. I would consider marriage, if the majority wouldn't divorce rape and capitalize over me. It's a chance that is not worth the risk. I like to work hard for things I own, that way people can't disrespect me over shit. So, you better believe I'm not going to give any of what I own to a money grabbing entitled high priced whore.

Find me a girl that would want to walk away on a good note and not take anything of mine and I would willingly give her some of my fortune to make sure she's okay after we part ways. Just so I could show that even if it didn't workout, I appreciated the times we had and I wish her well. I'd have no problem giving away in those circumstances. That's my shit, I LIKE it when girls refuse my money and take care of their own selves, that actually makes me want to take care of them. It's something I value and respect a lot.

Have you ever played Russian roulette with 6 guys, a bottle of whiskey, and a fully loaded 6 shooter? You're probably the type that would go for that.

[–]Endorsed Contributorabdada -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

You're blinded by the hamster of TRP advocates still in anger mode.

How many marriages end in divorce AND divorce rape?

Now take that percentage and ask yourself how many of those guys are TRP advocates?

I have never once met a red pill guy who married and was divorce raped. Not once. Ever.

Not my dad. Not my doctor/mentor (4 divorces and he's a multimillionaire). Not any business partner of mine.

I know a lot of wealthy AFCs who were divorce raped. Almost all of them.

So the problem here isn't marriage, it's marriage to the wrong type of woman coupled with marriage when you aren't commanding your life first.

[–]GrandmasterHurricane 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I feel like you're so rich and out of touch with reality that you're paying someone to pay someone that's typing the replys for you as you dictate them.

[–]Endorsed Contributorabdada 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Lol I actually have paid people to maintain social networks when I travel.

I am NOT rich. I'd be surprised if I'm anywhere beyond the bottom of the top quintile of US households.

Not rich by any means. My main home is 950 square feet. Don't own a car. Don't own a TV.

[–]redzorp 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

Divorce raped to seven figures?

Aim to get married again?

Sorry. You're a fool. Bye.

[–]Endorsed Contributorabdada 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Who's more foolish, one who sees evil around every corner and avoids risk out of internal fear and low self worth, or one who looks for ways to combat it?

[–]RobertCarraway 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's difficult to watch you get harassed like this. What the men here don't understand is that Class, money, and education change everything. I often see people on TRP who are obviously different races arguing past each other because their realities an opportunities are different. Same thing happens with class, and what we have here is a class divide.

From Charles Murray's book "Coming Apart:

Then Murray introduces the terms "Belmont," to refer to the top 30 percent of whites 30-49 by education and income, and "Fishtown," to refer to the bottom 21 percent of whites 30-49 by education and income. (I’m still going to use elites and plebes, respectively). Murray notes that in 1960, 64 percent of whites would have met his definition of Fishtown, and 6 percent would have met his definition of Belmont (again, note the improvements, when only measuring economic growth).

Starting with marriage, Murray notes stark differences between plebes and elites. In 1960, about 84% of plebes got married compared to about 94% of elites. The numbers are now 48% and 84% respectively. Divorce is still uncommon among the elites (about 1% to about 6% during the same time), while it’s big among the plebes (about 4% to about 35% during the same time). The realities of Marriage 2.0, appear to be a plebe-only phenomenon.

[–]Endorsed Contributorabdada 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Long time reader of Murray myself. Thanks for bringing that up.

The funny thing about most TRP fantasizers is they're getting tax raped every paycheck and that business partnerships end up riskier financially than marriage.

Guys with no power and no hope of value naturally only come to TRP for sex. Once they bang a few 5s, they can't even get those hambeasts to stick around so they make themselves believe what they want to.

80% of the downvoters here will be married to a fat woman in 10 years. I know because I've been around a long time and the odds don't change.

[–]boston_of_gilead -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

I made it all back and more.

Exactly. Besides, freedom and enjoying one's daily existence > any amount of money.

[–]Endorsed Contributorabdada -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

I gave up chasing money years ago. Making less money now than ever but I value my time more than money.