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Uproar in /r/bitcoin when mods delete discussions about the new bitcoin version, Bitcoin XT. (self.SubredditDrama)

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Summary

Bitcoin community has been debating how to scale the bitcoin protocol for years. This debate has reached all-time butter level recently when a group of developers decided to split and create their own version of bitcoin called bitcoinXT. /r/bitcoin moderators then began deleting posts about the new bitcoin fork because it's considered now an alternative coin and therefore not allowed in the subreddit. Users are not happy with this decision.

Drama

The fight started when mods removed this popular post announcing and explaining the split decision.

One of the forum moderators has been deleting hundreds of, what appear to me, to be perfectly valid comments.

Bitcoin-XT is NOT an alt-coin. It is an alternate client. Bitcoin-core is not some magical specially anointed copy of the code. That is deeply flawed and centralized thinking.

Bitcoin is supposed to be decentralized and whichever client the majority of the community runs will, naturally, organically, and by design, become the new rule set on the network.

I get that some people are strongly opposed to this fork. But, censoring discussion and incorrectly calling it an alt-coin is not the solution in my opinion.

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[–]cordis_melumMy popcorn is 70% popped and 30% corn [スコア非表示]  (9子コメント)

Wait. Why was there a need for this fork in the first place? Not up to date with whatever is going on over there.

[–]R_Sholes [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Bitcoin currently mines 24*6 blocks/day, each block limited to 1MB, which at 500 byte/transaction translates to ~300000 transaction/day. This would be abysmal for a global payment network, not even enough to service a single city. Fork primarily raises this 1MB/block limit.

This would certainly be necessary some day, but right now blocks are filled to ~500kB on average (outside of few DDoS stress testing events that spammed thousands of transactions and crippled the network for a few days with transaction backlog), so this is primarily political games between developers of current and alternative branch.

[–]snapekillseddardgorged on too much popcorn to enjoy good done steaks [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Just accept the crazy that is bitcoin, man. It's an ever growing field of crazy and any attempt at comprehension is going to give you an aneurysm or something.

[–]wote89 [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

The extreme tl;dr version is that the folks in favor of BitcoinXT believe that the larger blocks will make the chain more robust and attractive. One of Bitcoin's most immediate problems with adoption is that it can be hilariously slow, and enough activity will actually completely stall its ability to confirm transactions--with "enough" being a low enough threshold to be an issue if there's a sudden surge in use. There are other potential solutions, but the XT chain is (obviously) one that can be done now, so all of the attention is on its implementation.

[–]cordis_melumMy popcorn is 70% popped and 30% corn [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

How high did the new developers raise the cap to?

[–]wote89 [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

20 MB was the new cap (up from 1 MB) last I heard, but I haven't been keeping up with it closely enough to know if that's still the plan or if they changed it.

[–]cordis_melumMy popcorn is 70% popped and 30% corn [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Seems to be pretty small still, but that is an improvement from 1 MB

[–]wote89 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I think they were trying to strike a balance between having enough room to grow for a while and not causing issues with bandwidth and storage of the blockchain. They really can't go much bigger without running into problems with the latter, and going smaller could potentially force a fork sooner than necessary if Bitcoin sees more adoption down the line.

[–]davidreiss666The Infamous Entity [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Well, Bitcoin XT will surely be surpassed by Bitcoin AT soon enough. The Circle of life demands it.

And yes.... I am old enough to have used those things when they were new.

[–]cordis_melumMy popcorn is 70% popped and 30% corn [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I mean, it was a given that you were older than me, David. :P

[–]ttumblrbots [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

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  • 90% of /r/bitcoin want the Mods changed. - SnapShots: 1, 2, 3 [huh?]
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[–]ImNotJesus [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I'm really surprised that a subreddit where users and mods almost all have a financial stake in what news comes out eventually had censorship dramas. I'm just shocked that people make motivated decisions about unregulated currencies that are entirely reliant on perceptions of value.

Unregulated currencies are totally immune to manipulation because no big corporations are involved. That and unicorns.

Also, I can't not link this in a bitcoin SRD post - it makes all of this drama too much fun: link