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[–]jratcliff63367 539ポイント540ポイント x3 (53子コメント)

So, guys, I'm a moderator in this forum, though I don't know for how long. It is late on a Saturday and I just logged in to see this mess. One of the forum moderators has been deleting hundreds of, what appear to me, to be perfectly valid comments.

Bitcoin-XT is NOT an alt-coin. It is an alternate client. Bitcoin-core is not some magical specially anointed copy of the code. That is deeply flawed and centralized thinking.

Bitcoin is supposed to be decentralized and whichever client the majority of the community runs will, naturally, organically, and by design, become the new rule set on the network.

I get that some people are strongly opposed to this fork. But, censoring discussion and incorrectly calling it an alt-coin is not the solution in my opinion.

For the record I haven't been removing any of these comments today and, after sharing my opinion in this post, I may be removed as one of the mods. Which is fine if that happens. This is a volunteer thing that I do only when I'm already on the forum and have some free time.

But I won't resign either. Sorry this is all such a mess right now.

[–]hodlgentlemen[S] 81ポイント82ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thank you, highly appreciated

[–]daddyfatsax 54ポイント55ポイント  (2子コメント)

Thanks for being open and honest. Need more mods like you.

[–]manny_big32 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

Mmm funny.. fwiw. Jratcliffe63367 deletes threads and posts too.. Back in the day.. any thread mentioning Garza and KNC in the same breath was deleted.. Even though paycoin-hate-only all stayed up.. He admitted the reasoning was there was too much talk about Garza and everything was being deleted.. yet again, it only seemed the KNC infused stuff was being so... MMmm? I wonder..

Anyways.. Look how those two entities look now a year later.... Maybe all those warnings shoulda stayed up.

Point is.. just leave it all up.

[–]zombiecoiner 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

You have no idea how much crap they have to remove just to keep this place to this level of insanity.

[–]sy5error 39ポイント40ポイント  (2子コメント)

/r/bitcoin_uncensored welcomes all. this issue is much larger than XT. it won't stop with just this

[–]frappuccinoCoin 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

Sorry to hijack your comment. But this thread got 200 upvotes, made it ot the top, and was just removed: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3h5f90/these_mods_need_to_be_changed_upvote_if_you_agree/

[–]Nathan2055 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

Asking for upvotes is against Reddit global rules, so it might not have been a mod removal.

[–]xxDan_Evansxx 34ポイント35ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thank you. I agree. Honestly you are obviously correct and it's hard to believe that a rational adult would not see this if not emotional. Please mods, think this through. Take some time to relax and think it through. It's obviously an appropriate discussion for this sub.

[–]BrazenAmberite 29ポイント30ポイント  (7子コメント)

Are you in communication with /u/theymos and the other mods which are engaging in the censorship? What is their justification? Do they realize that they are censoring an extremely important topic in bitcoin's history just because of their own personal ideologies? Do they realize that they are going against the very core of reddit's rules?

[–]jratcliff63367 67ポイント68ポイント  (6子コメント)

Yes. I'm in communication. Theymos's position is that bitcoin-xt is an alt-coin, indistinguishable from dogecoin or litecoin. He is wrong, but he claims that is the reason for this. Dogecoin and litecoin operate on independent networks. No one submits a transaction to dogecoin and it shows up in the backlog for the bitcoin network.

Bitcoin-xt is an alternate client on the bitcoin network. This notion that there is only one pure authorized, authentic version of the bitcoin software is nonsense. That is centralized thinking. The correct bitcoin software is the ruleset being run by a majority of the network. Today that is bitcoin-core, but there is no reason to assume it can be the only valid software.

[–]BrazenAmberite 24ポイント25ポイント  (1子コメント)

If that's really how he justifies his ridiculous censorship, then ask him how he supports sidechains, Lightning network, etc. Those are just as much "altcoins" as XT is, yet discussions of those are allowed on /r/bitcoin without a problem.

[–]jratcliff63367 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

Definitely a relevant point.

[–]peoplma 29ポイント30ポイント  (0子コメント)

wow, even mentions of a competing subreddit are getting removed by automod... /r/ bitcoinxt

[–]peoplma 25ポイント26ポイント  (1子コメント)

There's no way overthrow reddit mods, reddit admins' solution for the problem is to start another subreddit to compete. Plug for /r/bitcoinxt

Edit: This comment was initially removed, now been approved

[–]Poromenos 16ポイント17ポイント  (0子コメント)

Are you forking the subreddit? Altsubreddit discussion is not allowed here.

[–]approx- 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Glad at least someone has their head on straight.

[–]curiousdude 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

Mods are a centralized point of failure.

[–]piter_bunt_magician 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wow, what a relief to read this!

Thank you!

[–]mickeybob 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

https://medium.com/@octskyward/why-is-bitcoin-forking-d647312d22c1

[–]cap2002 17ポイント18ポイント  (2子コメント)

Thank you for coming clean. There's no doubt that some mods are bought and paid for by Blockstream. Fuck that.

[–]Jackten 31ポイント32ポイント  (1子コメント)

Its not blockstream. Thermos has been a long corrupt member of this community with waay too much control of discussion. /u/Starmaged is just his little minion.

[–]SatoshisGhost 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

/u/changetip 1 donut - sounds like you guys (mods) need to have a group discussion.

[–]changetip 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

The Bitcoin tip for 1 donut (1,268 bits/$0.35) has been collected by jratcliff63367.

what is ChangeTip?

[–]pinhead26 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

1000 bits /u/changetip

[–]changetip 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

The Bitcoin tip for 1000 bits ($0.26) has been collected by jratcliff63367.

what is ChangeTip?

[–][削除されました]  (2子コメント)

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    [–]MrMadden 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    It's too bad that some of the other moderators are unethical scumbags. Good to see you are not one of them.

    [–]peanutbuttercoin 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

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    [–]hellobitcoinworld 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Thanks for your integrity to speak and do what is right.

    [–]redhawk989 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Thanks for all your hard werk /u/changetip 1 satoshi

    [–]Matt-Y 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    thanks

    [–][削除されました]  (3子コメント)

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      [–]dskloet 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Looks to me like he still is a mod.

      https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/about/moderators

      [–]pgrigor 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

      He still is. Click on the "and 3 more" :)

      [–]ThePiachu 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

      It is not an alternative client. Armory and Electrum are alternative clients, while XT creates a fork in the network.

      [–]jratcliff63367 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

      It is an alternative client that includes a fork. Other clients are welcome to create forks too. It's a free world.

      [–]solex1 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Kudos to you. I have just logged into changetip to get my balance so I can give you the whole lot. /u/changetip 5940 bits

      [–]scrottie -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Wait... this is probably going to get me banned, but can any mod just evict any other mod? Is that how that works...? http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/574/2958/1600/extra.jpg

      [–]select1on 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Mods have a hierarchy I believe it's based on time/date. The first mod (subreddit creator) will be the king and everyone after that will be based on their order of being modded, do the king can demod anyone but others can only demod those who were after themselves.