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Censorship (self.Bitcoin)

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Speak up if you are opposed to censorship of "contentious hard fork" discussions such as Bitcoin XT. Speak up if this is not the subreddit you signed up for.

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[–]jratcliff63367 536ポイント537ポイント x3 (53子コメント)

So, guys, I'm a moderator in this forum, though I don't know for how long. It is late on a Saturday and I just logged in to see this mess. One of the forum moderators has been deleting hundreds of, what appear to me, to be perfectly valid comments.

Bitcoin-XT is NOT an alt-coin. It is an alternate client. Bitcoin-core is not some magical specially anointed copy of the code. That is deeply flawed and centralized thinking.

Bitcoin is supposed to be decentralized and whichever client the majority of the community runs will, naturally, organically, and by design, become the new rule set on the network.

I get that some people are strongly opposed to this fork. But, censoring discussion and incorrectly calling it an alt-coin is not the solution in my opinion.

For the record I haven't been removing any of these comments today and, after sharing my opinion in this post, I may be removed as one of the mods. Which is fine if that happens. This is a volunteer thing that I do only when I'm already on the forum and have some free time.

But I won't resign either. Sorry this is all such a mess right now.

[–]hodlgentlemen[S] 78ポイント79ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thank you, highly appreciated

[–]daddyfatsax 53ポイント54ポイント  (2子コメント)

Thanks for being open and honest. Need more mods like you.

[–]manny_big32 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

Mmm funny.. fwiw. Jratcliffe63367 deletes threads and posts too.. Back in the day.. any thread mentioning Garza and KNC in the same breath was deleted.. Even though paycoin-hate-only all stayed up.. He admitted the reasoning was there was too much talk about Garza and everything was being deleted.. yet again, it only seemed the KNC infused stuff was being so... MMmm? I wonder..

Anyways.. Look how those two entities look now a year later.... Maybe all those warnings shoulda stayed up.

Point is.. just leave it all up.

[–]zombiecoiner 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

You have no idea how much crap they have to remove just to keep this place to this level of insanity.

[–]sy5error 43ポイント44ポイント  (2子コメント)

/r/bitcoin_uncensored welcomes all. this issue is much larger than XT. it won't stop with just this

[–]frappuccinoCoin 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

Sorry to hijack your comment. But this thread got 200 upvotes, made it ot the top, and was just removed: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3h5f90/these_mods_need_to_be_changed_upvote_if_you_agree/

[–]Nathan2055 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

Asking for upvotes is against Reddit global rules, so it might not have been a mod removal.

[–]xxDan_Evansxx 33ポイント34ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thank you. I agree. Honestly you are obviously correct and it's hard to believe that a rational adult would not see this if not emotional. Please mods, think this through. Take some time to relax and think it through. It's obviously an appropriate discussion for this sub.

[–]BrazenAmberite 33ポイント34ポイント  (7子コメント)

Are you in communication with /u/theymos and the other mods which are engaging in the censorship? What is their justification? Do they realize that they are censoring an extremely important topic in bitcoin's history just because of their own personal ideologies? Do they realize that they are going against the very core of reddit's rules?

[–]jratcliff63367 67ポイント68ポイント  (6子コメント)

Yes. I'm in communication. Theymos's position is that bitcoin-xt is an alt-coin, indistinguishable from dogecoin or litecoin. He is wrong, but he claims that is the reason for this. Dogecoin and litecoin operate on independent networks. No one submits a transaction to dogecoin and it shows up in the backlog for the bitcoin network.

Bitcoin-xt is an alternate client on the bitcoin network. This notion that there is only one pure authorized, authentic version of the bitcoin software is nonsense. That is centralized thinking. The correct bitcoin software is the ruleset being run by a majority of the network. Today that is bitcoin-core, but there is no reason to assume it can be the only valid software.

[–]BrazenAmberite 25ポイント26ポイント  (1子コメント)

If that's really how he justifies his ridiculous censorship, then ask him how he supports sidechains, Lightning network, etc. Those are just as much "altcoins" as XT is, yet discussions of those are allowed on /r/bitcoin without a problem.

[–]jratcliff63367 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

Definitely a relevant point.

[–]peoplma 28ポイント29ポイント  (0子コメント)

wow, even mentions of a competing subreddit are getting removed by automod... /r/ bitcoinxt

[–]peoplma 23ポイント24ポイント  (1子コメント)

There's no way overthrow reddit mods, reddit admins' solution for the problem is to start another subreddit to compete. Plug for /r/bitcoinxt

Edit: This comment was initially removed, now been approved

[–]Poromenos 17ポイント18ポイント  (0子コメント)

Are you forking the subreddit? Altsubreddit discussion is not allowed here.

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    [–]curiousdude 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Mods are a centralized point of failure.

    [–]piter_bunt_magician 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Wow, what a relief to read this!

    Thank you!

    [–]mickeybob 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

    https://medium.com/@octskyward/why-is-bitcoin-forking-d647312d22c1

    [–]cap2002 18ポイント19ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Thank you for coming clean. There's no doubt that some mods are bought and paid for by Blockstream. Fuck that.

    [–]Jackten 30ポイント31ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Its not blockstream. Thermos has been a long corrupt member of this community with waay too much control of discussion. /u/Starmaged is just his little minion.

    [–]SatoshisGhost 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

    /u/changetip 1 donut - sounds like you guys (mods) need to have a group discussion.

    [–]pinhead26 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

    1000 bits /u/changetip

    [–]changetip 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    The Bitcoin tip for 1000 bits ($0.26) has been collected by jratcliff63367.

    what is ChangeTip?

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      [–]MrMadden 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

      It's too bad that some of the other moderators are unethical scumbags. Good to see you are not one of them.

      [–]peanutbuttercoin 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

      [deleted]

      [–]hellobitcoinworld 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Thanks for your integrity to speak and do what is right.

      [–]redhawk989 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Thanks for all your hard werk /u/changetip 1 satoshi

      [–]Matt-Y 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      thanks

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        [–]SorryImChad 31ポイント32ポイント  (11子コメント)

        So I'm signing in from /r/all rising posts. Anyone wanna explain what's going on right now?

        [–]FaceDeer 33ポイント34ポイント  (4子コメント)

        Are you familiar with Bitcoin, or just a curious bystander?

        Basically, there's a disagreement among the bitcoin community about how the underlying technology behind bitcoin should function, and a version of the software has just been released that would change that behaviour if it achieved widespread adoption (75% of the network). The top mod of this subreddit is opposed to that change, though, and so has been deleting any posts that mention it.

        [–]SorryImChad 10ポイント11ポイント  (3子コメント)

        So they are doing what they can to stuff it out before it goes widespread. I assume that won't really work well, considering there are probably many platforms bitcoiners (?) can talk, right? Or is this incorrect?

        And no. I used to collect doge as a joke and stopped at like 30k. Lol.

        [–]FaceDeer 27ポイント28ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Actually, that's one of the sticking points - the top mod here also runs some of the major off-reddit discussion forums and mailing lists as well. I guess back at the dawn of Bitcoin he went around and set up these various places first and wound up with a bit of a monopoly.

        Kind of funny to run into a centralization problem of this nature where Bitcoin is involved. It'll sort itself out though, setting up new forums is easy. It's just a matter of overcoming subscriber inertia.

        [–]testing1567 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Unfortunately, the same person controls /r/bitcoin, the bitcointalk forum, and the bitcoin irc channel. Those are the number 1 2 and 3 largest bitcoin communities.

        [–]capistor 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

        so moon

        [–]Jackten 4ポイント5ポイント  (4子コメント)

        Bitcoin is in the middle of a controversial hardfork. The vast majority of the community is in favor of the fork, (called BitcoinXT). But there are a few individuals with a lot of power in the community, including the mods here, who oppose the fork.

        The mods have been deleting all references to XT and the community is starting to throw an insurrection. Its a pretty exciting time for us

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          [–]evoorhees 242ポイント243ポイント  (32子コメント)

          I posted this about 10 min ago and my thread was deleted immediately:

          Title: XT is not only On Topic, it is THE most important topic right now. Stop the censorship. (self.Bitcoin) submitted 12 minutes ago by evoorhees

          Text: The discussion of XT and the fork is the most important topic in Bitcoin right now. Please stop censoring it. Regardless of one's opinion on block sizes, the debate must happen. Whichever mod/s is censoring needs to stop.

          [–]anti-censorship 69ポイント70ポイント  (5子コメント)

          Says it all really Eric.

          Theymos has shown his true colours during this farce.

          [–]redhawk989 58ポイント59ポイント  (4子コメント)

          Showed his true colors when he spent 1m on forum software and idiots thought that was reasonable

          [–]paleh0rse 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Showed his true colors when he spent 1m on forum software funneled $1M through his friends in a kickback scam, and idiots thought that was reasonable

          FTFY ;)

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            [–]wawin 23ポイント24ポイント  (1子コメント)

            By the mod deleting logic if XT wins out then by then all bitcoin core discussion should be deleted and labeled an altcoin, wonder how they would feel about that.

            [–]AmIHigh 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

            I actually believe that I read him saying that if this were to happen, that is the action he'd take.

            Bitcoin (now) would be considered the altcoin and censored.

            [–]rePAN6517 16ポイント17ポイント  (0子コメント)

            StarMaged has definitely been deleting lots of comments today - he's even admitted it in a few of the remaining posts. Not sure about theymos but I wouldn't be surprised.

            [–]romromyeah 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

            The mod may have too much pride. It's ok to admit your mistake and see that people, bitcoiners are interested in XT as a topic. Sense of pride can be overwhelming for some.

            [–]waterlesscloud 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

            The censorship is wildly irresponsible, since as you note this is the single most important topic in bitcoin.

            I've unsubbed this subreddit. It's no longer a reliable source of news, and thus useless to me. Actually it's worse, it has negative value at this point.

            [–]jasonswan 48ポイント49ポイント  (5子コメント)

            They are really trying to stop XTs growth by stonewalling all communication, absolutely crazy.

            There must be strong incentives for higher ups/mods to stifle growth and keep the system gimped.

            [–]platinum_rhodium 37ポイント38ポイント  (2子コメント)

            In a way it would be kind of amusing if we've developed this amazing protocol to get around tyrannical governments and all they had to do to thwart it this whole time was just toss some money to a few web mods.

            [–]marcus_of_augustus 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Hahaha, you don't know how true that is ... or how ironic.

            [–]AmIHigh 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

            You left off paying some people to cause dissent to make the discussion look more contentious than it may or may not be.

            It's the perfect attack really - Wait until there's something very contentious going on, and pay people to support whichever side appears to be losing at any given moment, so it looks like it's continually split.

            They could be paying for/against as long as it's a serious enough issue to cause a divide, *and stall / halt progress.

            [–]rePAN6517 16ポイント17ポイント  (1子コメント)

            I agree. The actions being taken here seem a little too out of control to be simple ideological differences. This really smells like disruption being funded by outside influences.

            [–]cflag 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

            In my opinion, it is more about our laziness coming back to bite our asses. Quite like how it happened with MtGox.

            Unlike many others, I think theymos et al. managed the forums and Bitcoin websites reasonably well throughout the years. However, people are not infallible. We should have moved to decentralized censorship-resistant channels by now. Yet, maybe ironically, theymos is among the few who have talked about such alternatives, like Freenet.

            [–]omgwhathappen 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

            OMG I can't believe it! my account has just been restricted and post removed for having posted this topic https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3h5m5c/issue_with_the_block_size_debate/

            Basically my post was saying that miners, exchanges, merchants should be more involved and transparent in the debate and that we shouldn't focus on gavin VS other devs ( which is the wrong fight) but more about having the relevant party discussing in an open debate. I never even mentionned XT or anything in my post.

            THE CENSORSHIP IS STRONG IN HERE

            [–]pitahdu2 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Always voice of reason.

            [–]Coinosphere 11ポイント12ポイント  (9子コメント)

            I wonder, could Theymos be compromised?

            As in, could a hostile govt agency have control over his account and be trying to sway opinion towards Core because they have a Core-specific way to kill bitcoin?

            [–]TheIcyStar 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

            no room in blockchain = no room for growth = nothing to stop fiat empire

            [–]metamirror 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

            Much more likely he is just sure that he's right. He believes XT is bad for Bitcoin.

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                [–]MortuusBestia 57ポイント58ポイント  (1子コメント)

                Really getting annoyed at how many entirely legitimate posts regarding the future of Bitcoin that the mods are deleting.

                The reality of Bitcoin xt and the community choosing to allow Bitcoins growth in adoption and utility to continue can't simply be ignored.

                [–]T62A 51ポイント52ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Thread that keeps being deleted: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3h424p/why_is_bitcoin_forking

                [–]xxDan_Evansxx 17ポイント18ポイント  (7子コメント)

                I am opposed to censorship of the XT discussions and don't agree with the rationale about it being an "alt-coin". I'm not saying that it isn't an alt, but am saying that it is obviously important to bitcoin. It's not appropriate to delete any discussion of changes which would require a fork in my opinion.

                [–]Introshine 17ポイント18ポイント  (3子コメント)

                Personally I'm not sure about forking to above 1MB at this moment - I think it is super dangerous but the discussion should not be censored. If people want to try... do it.

                If forking truly would kill Bitcoin anyone could do it. Forking Bitcoin is rather easy. Let's just see where it goes.

                [–]imaginary_username 11ポイント12ポイント  (1子コメント)

                In addition, censorship tends to invite the Streisand effect.

                [–]zombiecoiner 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Of course if Bitcoin can't be hard forked even with a Streisand effect or two the message would be even clearer that politicking isn't enough.

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                  [–]Coinosphere 64ポイント65ポイント  (7子コメント)

                  I'm pretty sure the mod's actions here today have sealed Core's fate. XT Just Won out in the hearts of bitcoiners everywhere.

                  [–]friendlydubs 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Yep. I wasnt running a node previously but I am planning to start running XT shortly just to tip the scales and get rid of the dumbasses running Core into the ground.

                  [–]DanDarden 19ポイント20ポイント  (5子コメント)

                  Yep, I don't know if XT is right but the other side is definitely wrong about the censorship so I assume they are wrong about XT as well. Also, I have unsubscribed. Even Jordan from Robocoin could have done a better job at managing this sub than Theymos.

                  [–]_rough23 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

                  What the mods on this subreddit do has no bearing on the technical merit behind this fork. You've basically excused yourself from doing any research and coming to an educated conclusion about the issue.

                  [–]DanDarden 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

                  If I did more research I still wouldn't know. I'm not an expert programmer or cryptographer. I do know however when I see childish antics and ill conceived arguments such as "XT is off topic because it is an altcoin." These arguments are obvious bullshit to me.

                  [–]raisethelimit 105ポイント106ポイント  (4子コメント)

                  We have been speaking up. Problem is that it keeps being censored.

                  http://imgur.com/DCnDovk

                  [–]Cryptolution 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  I laugh everytime about the thermos bit. Riddle with comedic value.

                  [–]psysophy 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Here's even more material for you.

                  [–]Diapolis 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  /u/changetip $2 keep it up!

                  [–]NewForOlly 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Haha, keep posting!

                  [–]elgordio 33ポイント34ポイント  (2子コメント)

                  I had been intending to switch my node to XT but didn't really prioritise it. All this censorship madness has made me get off my arse and switch it over.

                  [–]emceenoesis 16ポイント17ポイント  (1子コメント)

                  Everyone post about XT.

                  [–]BrazenAmberite 51ポイント52ポイント  (5子コメント)

                  /u/theymos - You're an absolute disgrace and you should immediately remove yourself as owner and moderator of both this sub as well as bitcointalk.org. Your actions are beyond the point of being reprehensible and you need to step down immediately.

                  Reddit's purpose at its very core is to be a community-run content board that is controlled by its users, with the moderators acting to reign in any abuse or blatantly off-topic posts. Censorship of legitimate discussions is not tolerated by reddit nor its users.

                  XT is still using BITCOIN. It is not an altcoin or some other technology. It is a fork of the BITCOIN network that is being made by BITCOIN'S lead developers. There is nothing off-topic or irrelevant about it and there is no question that its discussion belongs on /r/bitcoin.

                  This topic is for the COMMUNITY to decide on its viability, not your own personal beliefs. You're acting like a child, a dictator and a tyrant. You're censoring and going against the very fabric of what reddit is meant to be. Do the entire community of both /r/bitcoin and reddit as a whole a favor, and remove yourself as a mod immediately.

                  [–]digitalgold 7ポイント8ポイント  (4子コメント)

                  I wonder if a reddit admin could remove him for his censorship, manipulation, and financial corruption?

                  [–]pitahdu2 43ポイント44ポイント  (2子コメント)

                  This is bullshit where did the Mike Hearn thread go.

                  [–]BusyBeaverHP 23ポイント24ポイント  (1子コメント)

                  The XT topic has been deleted in /r/bitcoin

                  I have backed up the deleted topic here for anyone who wants to see the degree of censorship two letters of the alphabet can cause:

                  https://www.dropbox.com/s/ocvjdfvi0rhn4bs/Why%20is%20Bitcoin%20Forking%20%5BHuge%20Deleted%20Reddit%20Topic%5D.zip?dl=0

                  [–]RedNero 28ポイント29ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Think the mods have heard of the Streisand effect?

                  [–]Chris_Pacia 24ポイント25ポイント  (1子コメント)

                  Will they relinquish control of this sub when XT becomes the majority chain? Since, well, they will be supporting an alt coin at that point.

                  [–]edmundedgar 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  On Theymos's definition I think they've been supporting an alt-coin since P2SH...

                  [–]daddyfatsax 46ポイント47ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  I did not sign up for this. Go ahead and ban me here and bitcointalk. Not really much use for an "open discussion" if no one can have their own opinion.

                  [–]captainplantit 23ポイント24ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Multiple discussions that are highly upvoted keep being removed. I had a comment in a thread where the OP's original post on XT was removed (+54, 81% upvoted): https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3h4p7j/seeing_the_debate_is_now_over_i_just_updated_all/cu48wv7

                  [–]dskloet 50ポイント51ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  I used to not really have an opinion on the block size. But because of all this censoring, I'm starting to be biased towards XT. It's not even a good reason but that's the effect it has on me.

                  But I think if this is not the subreddit we want, we should just leave and find the subreddit we do want.

                  [–]davidpbrown 21ポイント22ポイント  (4子コメント)

                  Very surprised to see such bad moderation on /r/Bitcoin

                  Can we name and shame the mods involved so it's more obvious who is doing the deletes?

                  I've seen StarMaged but is it just that one??

                  [–]Jackten 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

                  Yes, /u/StarMaged is just a Thermos minion. /u/frankenmint is also an anti-XT nut job who believes it is the mods duty inflict their personal views on the community via censorship

                  [–]DIGITAL-not-Virtual 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  I've got a feeling /u/frankenmint is responsible for much of the deletions. Comments by him are certainly off kilter.

                  [–]vocatus 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

                  "The more you tighten your grip, Tarkin, the more [systems] slip through your fingers."

                  [–]micahglasser 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Yeah. This is pissing me off. This is an important discussion that the community is supposed to have.

                  [–]IronVape 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  The buttcoin guys must be laughing their asses off.

                  [–]Narfhole 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Was this Streisand Effect situation intended? Does the pro-censorship mod actually want XT to succeed?

                  [–]KayRice 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Maybe we give Theymos a few million dollars he'll fix this sub reddit too.

                  As a more serious note, this place has been going down hill for about 2 years, so I don't care much.

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                  [–]BusyBeaverHP 26ポイント27ポイント  (4子コメント)

                  The XT topic has been deleted in /r/bitcoin

                  I have backed up the deleted topic here for anyone who wants to see the degree of censorship two letters of the alphabet can cause:

                  https://www.dropbox.com/s/ocvjdfvi0rhn4bs/Why%20is%20Bitcoin%20Forking%20%5BHuge%20Deleted%20Reddit%20Topic%5D.zip?dl=0

                  [–]spkrdt 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  This is me speaking up!, because it's hard to find consensus if you only hear one side.

                  [–]cryptothreads 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Let the community decide what to censor and what not to.

                  [–]BitsenBytes 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  A tsunami is coming...they can't stop it.

                  [–]Play_Rust 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Deleted.

                  [–]shadowofashadow 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Agreed, unfortunately on reddit there is no way to oust the top mod, so we're fucked unless he steps down.

                  [–]rePAN6517 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  This is a bitcoin related subreddit, and I expect ALL bitcoin topics to be fair game including contentious ones like Bitcoin XT. Censorship is childish, and more importantly, ineffective.

                  [–]abrakk 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  This is not the subreddit I signed up for. Heck, this is not the bitcoin I signed up for.

                  Now we are more like federal reserve. Time to get out.

                  Physical gold seems to be better all the way. Nobody can say shit about how I manage it.

                  [–]setzer 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Censorship is so childish and futile. With the way this drama surrounding XT is blowing up it's going to start getting media attention anyway.

                  [–]SiliconGuy 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Thank you OP, I support your message.

                  To theymos: It's more practical to allow open discussion of ideas you disagree with than to try to suppress them.

                  [–]ivanbny 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  This is flat out censorship. Theymos, please start listening to the community.

                  [–]rockymc 21ポイント22ポイント  (15子コメント)

                  Just move out of this subreddit. Some of the moderators do not support BitcoinXT, and therefore will keep deleting comments about the client.

                  There is voat, if anyone wants to join.

                  [–]emceenoesis 12ポイント13ポイント  (9子コメント)

                  No, we can't because Voat isn't accepting new registrations. Maybe quit pushing it until that gets fixed.

                  [–]johnibizu 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

                  Just registered 10s ago.

                  [–]emceenoesis 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

                  Really? I shall keep trying then. Thanks

                  [–]johnibizu 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

                  Saw your comment, tried registering right after, successfully registered and made that 10s ago comment.

                  Voat is figuratively trying to be one of the big boys while wearing small boy pants. Down times and other problems should be expected.

                  [–]rockymc 6ポイント7ポイント  (4子コメント)

                  I thought they were already accepting registrations. Sorry if I let you down.

                  [–]emceenoesis 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Heh nope it's just frustrating to see it promoted all over the place.

                  [–]FaceDeer 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  They were this morning, but when I tried signing up the captcha wasn't working right. I set it aside for a few hours to do something else and now it's invite-only again. Frustrating. :)

                  [–]Peeves22 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  They have an algorithm that slots a random time period during the day and only accepts registrations during that time.

                  [–]drwasho 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  I forgive you.

                  [–]RedNero 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  not voat. r/ bitcoinxt or r/ bitcoin_uncensored

                  [–]NewForOlly 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                  Voat seems like the obvious place to go and I will be spending more of my time there. Can I have an invite to sign up?

                  [–]rockymc 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  The registrations open up at a random part of the day, afaik.

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                    [–]packetinspector 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Happy to put on the record that I am very disappointed in the actions of /u/theymos and his cabal in trying to block all discussion of the Bitcoin XT fork. I have found the excuses they have used to block the free discussion (for and against) of this very important development for bitcoin disingenuous and frankly pathetic.

                    [–]CoinCadence 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    I'd like to be able to discuss everything bitcoin related in this sub, and that includes alternative clients that may not align with some peoples interests.

                    [–]bobthesponge1 7ポイント8ポイント  (9子コメント)

                    [deleted]

                    [–]andyrowe 6ポイント7ポイント  (7子コメント)

                    [deleted]

                    [–]Natanael_L 8ポイント9ポイント  (6子コメント)

                    [not yet deleted]

                    [–]hodlgentlemen[S] 9ポイント10ポイント  (5子コメント)

                    [Soon to be deleted]

                    [–]cap2002 4ポイント5ポイント  (4子コメント)

                    [pending deletion]

                    [–]drwasho 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    [pre-emptively deleted]

                    [–]electrodude102 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

                    [Deletion Failed]

                    [–]Richy_T 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

                    [Archived to the Blockchain]

                    [–]bitvinda 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    [deleted by post-fork double-spend in 2016]

                    [–]jasonswan 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    [deleted]

                    [–]Bitcoin_Chief 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Fuck the mods.

                    [–]Vibr8gKiwi 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Leave the bitcoinxt posts you fucking scumbag mods.

                    [–]apython88 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Highly disturbed by the censorship, here and on bitcoin talk both probably by theymos. Too much centralization of power over the discussion of BTC for my liking, and there is no way XT is an "altcoin". Good riddance.

                    [–]Shinjukoo 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    unsubscribed, fuck these mods

                    [–]bitcoin_forward 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

                    Can someone enlighten me what the (moral) reasoning behind the censorship is? What argument can be made for deleting such free speech?

                    [–]themerkle 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    I agree fuck theymos he stole 1 million from forum donations and still managed to leak all passwords, what a scum

                    [–]hloo 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    This forum is now officially a complete joke. This censorship is the politburo's last desperate gasp, as it is about to be overthrown by a real revolution.

                    [–]yourliestopshere 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Yea, XT was intended to be an alternative choice, a potential successor to core if the super majority agreed. I think.

                    [–]danster82 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Just had my perfectly legit post removed about voat.co

                    [–]frankenmint 20ポイント21ポイント  (17子コメント)

                    Don't speak up ... Do more - leave.

                    Go here, here, or here.

                    Let the rest of us continue on about our day.

                    [–]cap2002 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

                    If you compare the list of mods in either, you'll see there's an overlap.

                    This entire centralized format of online debate, where a few mods by decree can and will can do whatever at a whim is what really disgusts me.

                    Voat will not change that. If anything, go USENET. It's decentralized and has been around for over 30 years.

                    [–]Peeves22 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Why do you not move to /r/bitcoin_core?

                    XT is an implementation of Bitcoins core ideas as defined in this post. Doesn't that mean it's still "Bitcoin", and thus, on topic for /r/Bitcoin?

                    As per your rule:

                    Submissions that are mostly about some other cryptocurrency belong elsewhere. For example, /r/CryptoCurrency is a good place to discuss all cryptocurrencies.

                    The deleted submissions were about Bitcoin and its future. So the deletions were against the sub rules technically.

                    [–]hodlgentlemen[S] 5ポイント6ポイント  (8子コメント)

                    Are you kidding me?

                    [–]cflag 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

                    I've seen a few ideas thrown around about forums that work both with votes and bitcoin tips (a la the old witcoin.com).

                    Did any of those turn into reality?

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                      [–]drwasho 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      I strongly oppose artificially set smaller blocks, but I would never approve of their censorship in the debate.

                      The people responsible for this are afraid that they will lose, and that they will become irrelevant... Because they already are as of today.

                      [–]Lynxes_are_Ninjas 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Get ready for the Streissand effect.

                      [–]doyourduty 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      We need a new set of moderators. Our access to unbiased and diverse information is paramount.

                      [–]rossigee 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      I'd just like to thank Theymos and Starmage for convincing me to switch my nodes to XT. Altcoin, my arse. Idiots. And these pricks are 'responsible' for running three of the main Bitcoin discussion forums?!

                      I'd also like to thank Mike Hearn for professionally handling this whole affair, and articulating well the technical reasons that we should not allow Bitcoin to stagnate at the hands of narcissists, megalomaniacs and stroppy little children.

                      [–]utuxia 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

                      wtf is this shit? god damn bunch of fucking amateurs can't even release software.

                      [–]RedNero 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      https://archive.is/WXoq0

                      [–]ToroArrr 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      So what will stop the mods censoring the subreddit after XT wins? Will they just throw in the towel and shut it down?

                      [–]Matt-Y 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Here.

                      [–]munchee 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      I've posted this on another /new thread but doubt it'll gather any reply at all.

                      I've been using bitcoin for a while (probably close to 2 years) but I haven't been keeping up with the current debate.

                      With regard to this comment thread. I know who Mike Hearn is (he's the guy who gave the talk which got me interested in bitcoin some years ago). Can someone explain to me who StarMaged is?

                      [–]RedNero 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      If it forces people into other forums not controlled by the same small group then the crazy censorship is a blessing in disguise.

                      [–]capistor 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      How is this post still up?

                      [–]Bitcoin_CFO 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      The community finally coming to its senses...

                      [–]superbitcoin 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      If they try forbit to peoples choose I will join to battle and add 10 full nodes installing in my company servers. 3 are already downloading blockchain.

                      [–]nappiral 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      The mods have kicked the proverbial hornets nest this time.

                      [–]scrottie 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      /r/btc claims to be "the uncensored alternative to /r/bitcoin". Anyone have any experience with it? I just joined there... just like I'll probably be taking my existing Bitcoins and spending them on blocks that are up to 8 megs large.

                      [–]errydaymofo 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Aye.

                      [–]MrMadden 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Moderators in this subreddit interpret their own guidelines broadly and inconsistently. They also enforce the guidelines selectively. Moderation in this subreddit appears to be corrupt. We either need new moderators or a new subreddit.

                      [–]DanielFragaBR 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      There's no need to delete anything. If people don't like, they downvote the comment.

                      [–]Louie2001912 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      I agree

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                        [–]capistor 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

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                        [–]TheMrWhipple 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        I'll wager 1 BTC Theymos was behind the spoofed Satoshi email...

                        [–]lambecolin 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        bitcoinxt is bitcoin ---you fk

                        [–]andyrowe 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        Deleted.

                        [–]Politicoin 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        Deleted.

                        [–]realconsensus 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        Deleted.

                        [–]waspoza 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        Inb4 delete. :P

                        [–]Jackten 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

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                        [–]livinincalifornia 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        This sub is in the toilet just like most mature popular subs

                        [–]thecosmic1 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

                        Yes this is absurd. The price is dropping because of this hard fork news and it is being censored in this forum, which is costing people money from forced ignorance.

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