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[–]Enzo-Unversed [スコア非表示] 27分前 (0子コメント)
So the immigration crisis is in Eastern Europe too?
[–]throw3t2 4ポイント5ポイント6ポイント 2時間前* (0子コメント)
Being allowed to stay in Europe is undeniable an improvement for the people trying to come here. But what about the people left behind?
The traffickers demand exorbitant sums, so the refugees we are dealing with are probably already the ones better off than most. And the people who have nothing have no choice but to stay. If they try to immigrate legally they need at least a decent education. A doctor from Syria will most likely never be allowed to practice in Europe and even if it makes no difference for us but in Syria his/her work could save countless lives.
Is it wise to create a dynamic where people only work towards leaving their home instead of improving it? If every shop-owner closes up the moment he has made the necessary cash to travel to Europe the situation in these countries will never get better.
I believe we have to consider not only the people at our doorstep but especially the people we do not see on the news every day. And while being send back is bad for the people affected it may be better for their country and all the people left there as whole.
[–]Switzerlandt0t0zenerd 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 3時間前 (0子コメント)
New migrant tragedy: 40 suffocate in hold of boat
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[–]Republic of MacedoniaXY100 13ポイント14ポイント15ポイント 8時間前* (9子コメント)
Do migrants think that they are entitled or in some way guaranteed european life?
https://youtu.be/OG8xmBR3nwg?t=66
[–]Portugalandy18cruz [スコア非表示] 36分前 (0子コメント)
"I don't want to stay in Greece, I wanna go to Europe". That sums it up perfectly.
[+]Macedonia, Greeceuserdx2a スコアが基準値未満のコメント-7ポイント-6ポイント-5ポイント 8時間前 (3子コメント)
I really don't have a definite opinion.Most of these people run for their lives,went through hell,saw many piles of dead corpses and just hope for a better life.Others just find this as an excuse to get to Europe more easily.But if i am certain about one thing it's that we as europeans should work to find a solution to this problem.
[–]s4embakla2ckle1 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 4時間前 (0子コメント)
The only solution is for people to stop having so many fucking babies that they can't provide for and the society can't support. But that's not gonna happen. So things will continue to go downhill. Guaranteed.
[–]Republic of MacedoniaXY100 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 7時間前* (1子コメント)
Absolutely, the world and Europe have seen countless refugee crises, but this is very modern example of very complex situation, and the solution can't be seen as pro or contra migration.
[–]Macedonia, Greeceuserdx2a 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 7時間前* (0子コメント)
very complex situation, and the solution can't be seen as pro or contra migration.
This sums up my opinion.
[+]umustish スコアが基準値未満のコメント-17ポイント-16ポイント-15ポイント 8時間前 (3子コメント)
Many of the major powers in Europe either supported or directly caused these people's troubles, we OWE them.
[–]Republic of MacedoniaXY100 14ポイント15ポイント16ポイント 8時間前 (2子コメント)
Europe "owes" them because of pure humane reasons, not because of guilt or anything, but this is not any reasonable migration, this is basic humanitarian and refugee crisis and has to be managed in other way.
[+]umustish スコアが基準値未満のコメント-14ポイント-13ポイント-12ポイント 7時間前 (1子コメント)
No we owe them. We blew up their homes, we blew up their schools, we blew up their families, at least in the case of Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq, Syria and Libya. Those being bombed in Yemen now are being done so with weapons we sold to the Saudis. As for ISIL, we trained quite a few people in that group and our foreign policy radicalised the rest.
[–]Republic of MacedoniaXY100 6ポイント7ポイント8ポイント 6時間前 (0子コメント)
Of course, the international community has an imperative to help their societies, more after the awful past management you mentioned, but not with total migration of their people.
[–]Macedonia, Greeceuserdx2a 21ポイント22ポイント23ポイント 8時間前 (6子コメント)
Picture of immigrants praying in a main street in Greece
I think this illustrates the situation somewhat.
[–]PM_ME_FIREARMS 11ポイント12ポイント13ポイント 7時間前 (0子コメント)
Are they seriously in the street? For fucks sake, keep it to the damn sidewalk at least.
[–]Benthetraveler 4ポイント5ポイント6ポイント 8時間前 (4子コメント)
You know you are in deep shit when you pray towards a Greek flag.
[–]Macedonia, Greeceuserdx2a 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 8時間前 (3子コメント)
Towards?
[–]Benthetraveler 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 8時間前 (2子コメント)
I wasn't being serious.
[–]Macedonia, Greeceuserdx2a 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 5時間前 (0子コメント)
I know :P.It doesn't make make sense otherwise.
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[–]BulgariaScabSmoothie 15ポイント16ポイント17ポイント 11時間前 (1子コメント)
250,000 migrants have crossed the Mediterranean Sea into Europe so far this year
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[–]ヽ(◉◡◔)ノkabav 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 11時間前 (2子コメント)
Shit comments like this is what enables the behaviour of the mods in the first place. Keep it civil man, or get lost.
[+]Benthetraveler スコアが基準値未満のコメント-6ポイント-5ポイント-4ポイント 9時間前 (0子コメント)
Check his profile, he does nothing but shitpost.
[–]Your_Dumb_ 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 12時間前 (0子コメント)
On hosting refugees, Germans say everything but 'cheese'. If you ask Germans whether they would host refugees for 20 euros a day, you will likely get a very clear answer - either negative or positive. But if you ask to take their picture, you may get the finger.
[–]Your_Dumb_ 4ポイント5ポイント6ポイント 12時間前 (0子コメント)
Opinion: Stick to the book on asylum applications. Asylum law has ironically come under threat from those who are demanding the right of all to stay in the country. DW's Christoph Hasselbach advocates sticking to strict asylum rules.
[+]StopMigrantHate スコアが基準値未満のコメント-30ポイント-29ポイント-28ポイント 13時間前 (6子コメント)
Europe shouldn’t worry about migrants. It should worry about creeping fascism.
[–]uzttrdhtrdh 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 5時間前 (0子コメント)
Archived version of the article
Overwhelming communities with larger amounts of asylum seekers than they can handle is a good way to promote sentiment that people like you would consider "fascist."
If the author, Laurie Penny 1 2 3, hates Europe so much, she should move to Eritrea or join ISIS. This would also improve the level of discourse in the UK.
[+]BelgiumMadAce スコアが基準値未満のコメント-11ポイント-10ポイント-9ポイント 7時間前 (0子コメント)
The fact that you are downvoted so heavily while not breaking any rules whatsoever proves that this sub isn't mature enough to discuss migration outside of a mega-thread.
[–]Belgiumtrop_commercial 19ポイント20ポイント21ポイント 12時間前* (0子コメント)
Keeping the popularity of Islamic fascism in mind, these are two sides of the same medal.
[–]The NetherlandsXeran_ 22ポイント23ポイント24ポイント 12時間前 (1子コメント)
You do know that fascism is not only grown by taking in too many immigrants, but that it's also imported by means of the immigrants themselves?
So logical speaking we should worry about the immigrants, than we will solve the fascism problem at the same time.
The liberal press is as guilty of this as anyone. Notionally more compassionate news outlets take care to remind us that immigrants actually “enrich” our culture and bring economic benefits. The fact that this is entirely true does not make it any less of an offensive argument.
Don't make me laugh.
Migrants do not come to the west from war-torn Syria, Eritrea, Afghanistan or any other nation that has been colonised and occupied and then bombed and plundered for resources over centuries of imperial and post-imperial exploitation chiefly to enrich the lives of westerners and liven up our god-awful cuisine with some actual flavour.
So not only lie, falsify history, 'white-guilt', but also make offensive of our cuisine. You also don't really need migrants to exchange recipes. Just the internet and tourism is enough for that...
They come out of fear for their lives. They come for asylum and security and opportunity, and they are perfectly entitled to do so, if not by the law of the land then by the principles of justice and human decency.
They are most certainly not entitled, nor for the fear of their lives. They pass many safe area's to their 'dream destination'. 'Principles of justice and human decency'... What about fairness and equity for native people and those left behind who can't make the trip?
[–]uzttrdhtrdh 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 5時間前 (0子コメント)
well, it's written by Laurie Penny 1 2 3, unsurprisingly it is nonsense.
[+]Switzerlandt0t0zenerd スコアが基準値未満のコメント-8ポイント-7ポイント-6ポイント 13時間前 (2子コメント)
Greek coastguard 'deliberately' sank migrant boat - video
[–]Macedonia, Greeceuserdx2a 4ポイント5ポイント6ポイント 9時間前 (0子コメント)
I'll sound like a jerk but this video isn't really proof.I can't see an exact moment where they sink the boat.It seems too barbaric for anyone to do.
[+]StopMigrantHate スコアが基準値未満のコメント-10ポイント-9ポイント-8ポイント 13時間前 (0子コメント)
Utterly barbaric behavior!
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[–]Audunis 9ポイント10ポイント11ポイント 16時間前 (6子コメント)
All the news I wanted to post has been. So I will just say, if you don't want Nazis don't make Weimar.
Never mind. Muslims on town council cancel decades old Christmas tradition: http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/11/denmark-muslim-majority-in-local-board-cancels-decade-old-christmas-tradition-finances-eid-party-wit
[–]suckstosuckdoesntit 6ポイント7ポイント8ポイント 9時間前 (1子コメント)
Are you serious, this is from 2012, and it was resolved, afaik. Just made both parties seem like fools, and now you for posting it.
[–]Belgiumtrop_commercial 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 12時間前 (1子コメント)
Weimar did nothing wrong.
[–]Audunis 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 2時間前 (0子コメント)
Weimar was pretty bad. It is not surprising the Nazis got traction in that environment.
"Make people desperate, get mad when they become extremists."
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[–]The_Milkman 34ポイント35ポイント36ポイント 18時間前 (1子コメント)
Last night someone pointed out that immigration is the biggest concern among Europeans right now. The situation will only get worse. This subreddit functions much like Europe in regards to immigration. Despite the fact that growing numbers of people are alarmed (the poll shows 38% this year, up 14% from 2014), those with power are generally unwilling to address the issue and would rather ignore it/stifle the voices of those who speak out about it.
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[–]ALERT_WAY_LOTUS 4ポイント5ポイント6ポイント 1日前 (0子コメント)
free speech is irresponsible, it needs to be carefully rationed
[–]come_visit_detroit 35ポイント36ポイント37ポイント 1日前 (4子コメント)
I saw this somewhere earlier and I figured it would be of interest. Why a richer Africa means more migrants
Essentially, as the economy improves, Africans get more access to information (they see how much better off Europe is) and more people get the resources to leave. The truly destitute people can't afford to leave, so we're getting their 'middle class'.
This is a bit of a quandary for people who suggested helping Africans in Africa rather than letting them in and helping them in Europe.
Some want to cut foreign aid because we should take care of 'our own' first, but I've seen some argue that aid hurts the African agriculture industry, and that aid often ends up in the hands of warlords and such who distribute aid to their followers to increase the peoples' dependence on them. I'm sure this happens in some instances, but I'm not sure to what extent to happens.
In relation to the above, China is increasing its influence in Africa which still has significant economic potential (lots of people, lots of resources), so decreasing foreign aid may put Europe at a disadvantage long term compared to China, assuming Africa does grow. This whole thing is fairly complicated.
Finally, there's the brain drain aspect. The West takes in a lot of Africa's educated, and as the first link showed, we're taking their young men who can afford a relatively decent living too. This could hurt their long-term economic growth.
This article is one of the first that I found on the topic, which essentially suggests that we should educated them so that they have skills and a network, then encourage them to go back to Africa. The African Union has been trying to do this too, European countries could give them a big help here.
[–]United States of AmericaHRAustinTexx 5ポイント6ポイント7ポイント 14時間前 (2子コメント)
What we should do is increase foreign aid and help develop Africa, and also have decently strict immigration quotas. At some point Africa will get to the point where people don't need to immigrate, and where people won't need to risk their lives to get to Europe. Also, we can more than afford to provide aid to Africa.
[–]United States of AmericaMeatsim1 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 6時間前 (1子コメント)
How do you define "need to immigrate?" A lot of these people don't strictly "need" to immigrate as in they aren't fleeing for their lives. And as long as economic differences remain, even if the degree of that difference is drastically reduced, there will be people who will feel the "need" to immigrate to make a better life for themselves economically.
[–]The NetherlandsXeran_ 10ポイント11ポイント12ポイント 1日前* (0子コメント)
I agree with pretty much everything but the foreign aid. We could decrease the aid and still getting all the pros from it without losing out to China while helping Africa in a better way. It's quite simple, just do what China does and invest in Africa. It would also gives us more influence and we can more closely look at the results.
At the same time as should stop with taking in any migrants. That would be better for both Europe and Africa in the longer. At only the cost of a select few who can pay the journey and are in search of a better(economical) life.
[–]The NetherlandsXeran_ 7ポイント8ポイント9ポイント 1日前 (0子コメント)
Frans Timmermans totally useless post about needing more coordination, EU and more refugees
~95% of the comments, including his own ' fan group' is totally calling him out for it. He spreads a lot of lies, useless promises, no actual policies nor actions and no solutions for the root problem.
[–]kkelo 24ポイント25ポイント26ポイント 1日前 (0子コメント)
In case anyone else was wondering why the flair system is taking so long.
Enjoy your echo chamber.
[–]JayOC 7ポイント8ポイント9ポイント 1日前 (0子コメント)
Brandishing knives, stones and clubs, migrants clash in violent brawl as they clamber aboard packed train out of Macedonia.
[–]Hungarydrakhaien 10ポイント11ポイント12ポイント 1日前 (0子コメント)
Hungary requests EUR 8 m emergency aid from EU to tackle surge in migration
http://www.portfolio.hu/en/economy/hungary_requests_eur_8_m_emergency_aid_from_eu_to_tackle_surge_in_migration.30087.html
[–]JayOC 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 1日前 (0子コメント)
Giant passenger ferry sent to Kos – but migrants won’t be allowed live on it
Man survives flight to Sweden from Ethiopia in plane hold
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[–]FinlandSampo 6ポイント7ポイント8ポイント 1日前 (0子コメント)
Was it a refugee from Greece?
[–]RudeBritannia 16ポイント17ポイント18ポイント 1日前 (1子コメント)
Calais mayor threats to open France's borders and allow thousands of migrants into Britain.
Great to see two EU member states working together so well on this issue.
[–]mao11 8ポイント9ポイント10ポイント 1日前 (0子コメント)
Britain First activists confront and question Calais migrants. Must watch!
[–]United States of AmericaTMWNN 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 1日前 (0子コメント)
The New York Times: Violent Backlash Against Migrants in Germany as Asylum-Seekers Pour In
[–]G.P.R.H Glorious People's Republic of Hellasneutrolgreek 41ポイント42ポイント43ポイント 1日前* (8子コメント)
The IKEA MURDERS WERE A TERROR ATTACK
It is being supressed not only here on this subreddit but on all media.
At least one of the victims was beheaded
NSFW - Picture of one lady with her head far away from her body
Another picture
This was not a "stabbing", 2 muslims entered an IKEA store and murdered a Mother and her son, the mother is confirmed to have been beheaded in this "stabbing".
[–]Englandsyuk 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 4時間前 (0子コメント)
Why suppress it?
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[–]G.P.R.H Glorious People's Republic of Hellasneutrolgreek 16ポイント17ポイント18ポイント 1日前 (2子コメント)
le conspiracy meme
Your entire post-history is a giant wall of pro-immigration rhetoric, considering all of it is downvoted you need to understand that people do not want to hear that bullshit, don't you understand that censoring and covering up crimes only leads to a rise in anti-immigration feelings? Instead of debating and discussing honestly, people like you insult and attack, the only path that leads down to is going to destroy Europe
[+]AtomicGarden スコアが基準値未満のコメント-14ポイント-13ポイント-12ポイント 1日前 (0子コメント)
Debating honestly
How am I supposed to debate honestly with people who beleive conspiracy theories? Seriously. If your the type of person who thinks a Facebook post and a grainy picture is a valid source how can anyone discuss anything wih you?
It is downvoted because I go against the massive circle jerk in every immigration thread. Point to one post where I attack anyone besides this one. 99% of my posts are discussing but at a certain point I can't deal with the amount of bullshit people spew. This is one of those cases.
[–]OviLOL 12ポイント13ポイント14ポイント 1日前 (1子コメント)
Wait, that has to be photoshopped WTF.
[–]G.P.R.H Glorious People's Republic of Hellasneutrolgreek 9ポイント10ポイント11ポイント 1日前* (0子コメント)
Mirjam Tapper posts that she has seen photos sent to here from someone that was at the crime scene.
“Just seen a couple of pictures taken by a visitor at IKEA. The images and text to them had legs almost give way under me. If the photos are authentic (I have no reason to believe that they are not) it shows that what many long feared has now happened in Sweden. The murders appear to be sheer terror act."
[–]Switzerlandt0t0zenerd 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 1日前 (7子コメント)
Austrian treatment of refugees "scandalous" according to Amnesty International
2'000 refugees left outside, with nothing to protect them from either storms our 40 degrees heat
No psychological care
No single-sex showers
Baby with a concussion left alone and untreated.
[–]chill1995 22ポイント23ポイント24ポイント 22時間前 (6子コメント)
We don't owe refugees anything.
[–]Cuen -2ポイント-1ポイント0ポイント 9時間前* (4子コメント)
You do. http://www.geneva-academy.ch/RULAC/international_refugee_law.php
EDIT; I get that everyone is all hot and bothered about the immigration situation, but don't have to downvote me for pointing out that there are international laws on refugees. That being said there is a difference between immigrants and refugees, but noone on this sub cares to make a distinction of that. Refugees are defined very specifically, but they are protected.
[–]chill1995 11ポイント12ポイント13ポイント 9時間前 (3子コメント)
Cute. Here's a map showing you where Austria is geographically relative to the countries these people are fleeing. http://imgur.com/D7IuOcf Are you going to tell me there Austria was the first asylum these people could've reached?
If you're a genuine refugee, you don't get to shop around for the best country to go to. These people aren't Austria's responsibility.
I implore Amnesty International executives to house these people in their own homes.
[–]United States of AmericaMeatsim1 -1ポイント0ポイント1ポイント 5時間前 (1子コメント)
Here's another map showing where Austria is politically http://mapsof.net/uploads/static-maps/european_union_map.jpg
[–]MoraviaGNeps [スコア非表示] 55分前 (0子コメント)
To get to the EU they have to cross other countries first as well.
[–]Cuen -2ポイント-1ポイント0ポイント 9時間前 (0子コメント)
Thank you for the map, but I'm quite aware of Austria's geographical position. Are you implying that refugees stop being refugees the moment they enter the first semi-stable nation bordering their own conflict ridden countries? Turkey has 2 million refugees, most of these people still live in camps or have spread to cities and struggle to survive, you're saying those two million people are exclusively Turkey's problem now solely through geographical location. It's not that simple, buddy.
[–]United States of AmericaHRAustinTexx -2ポイント-1ポイント0ポイント 14時間前 (0子コメント)
Yeah, but there's no reason to be retarded assholes either.
[–]Czechiaferoslav 29ポイント30ポイント31ポイント 1日前 (3子コメント)
Anti-imigration groups in the Czech Republic "We Do Not Want Islam in the Czech Republic" and the "Bloc Against Islam" installed statues of stoned women in Prague to defend womens rights and warn against barbarism of Islam.
[–]United States of AmericaKestyr 7ポイント8ポイント9ポイント 1日前 (1子コメント)
Go Czechs
[–]/r/finnougricMizeak 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 23時間前 (0子コメント)
Is...is that from Birdemic? o_o
[–]RiseUpEuropa 33ポイント34ポイント35ポイント 1日前 (3子コメント)
Immigration World Poverty and Gumballs 2010 - Immigration Doesn't Work.
Well worth a watch.
[–]DenmarkChinggisKhagan -1ポイント0ポイント1ポイント 3時間前 (0子コメント)
this is still the dumbest thing Ive ever seen in my life. Are we all just ignoring the fact that there are fewer and fewer really poor people in the world?
[–]European Union (HU)poteott 9ポイント10ポイント11ポイント 1日前 (1子コメント)
Thank you very much for showing us this clip.
[–]Audunis 8ポイント9ポイント10ポイント 16時間前 (0子コメント)
My face when I got suspended for posting that too much
[–]andersonisgod 20ポイント21ポイント22ポイント 1日前 (11子コメント)
Are there any interviews with immigrants where they are specifically asked: "why are you emmigrating when there is no war in your town? why are you coming to Europe when there are nearer destination where your life would be safe? why are you country shopping? why are there so much more working age men with you? do you understand that you might not be welcomed here?"
I only seem to find cliche reports about this topic but would like to hear what immigrants would have to say confronted with those questions.
[–]The NetherlandsXeran_ 10ポイント11ポイント12ポイント 1日前 (0子コメント)
Their definitely are, but not really by normal journalists (don't ask the taboo questions...)
But this was a nice video with many of these things:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wa80bT4LbxI
[+]FinlandThrymr スコアが基準値未満のコメント-22ポイント-21ポイント-20ポイント 1日前 (8子コメント)
Proper journalists tend to refrain from using loaded questions.
[–]JayOC 16ポイント17ポイント18ポイント 1日前 (1子コメント)
Surely asking people claiming to be refugees yet who are 'fleeing' from countries that are not warzones, what exactly they are fleeing from, is simlpy basic journalism?
[+]Swabiagenitaliban スコアが基準値未満のコメント-7ポイント-6ポイント-5ポイント 1日前 (0子コメント)
Ideal ones do, real ones don't. So such interviews may well exist. And regardless, with some slight rephrasing even ideal journalists could ask such questions.
[–]Fuck the EU.Arathian 5ポイント6ポイント7ポイント 1日前 (4子コメント)
They aren't afraid of asking hard questions though.
If you find an economic immigrant, asking him the reasoning of why he left, what led to the decision and who urged him would be very useful information.
[+]FinlandThrymr スコアが基準値未満のコメント-10ポイント-9ポイント-8ポイント 1日前 (3子コメント)
Well I can answer that one for you: A chance for better life.
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[–]FinlandThrymr -1ポイント0ポイント1ポイント 8時間前 (0子コメント)
lol
[–]Fuck the EU.Arathian 5ポイント6ポイント7ポイント 1日前 (0子コメント)
Well duh. Obviously. I would be more interested what specific events led him to leaving. Did someone come by his place to promote going to Europe? Were there specific pressures that lead him to decide to come to Europe?
People don't randomly travel to the other end of the world, even if it has a higher GDP.
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[–]CroatiaLangley_Bot 19ポイント20ポイント21ポイント 1日前 (17子コメント)
Syria, Libya, Afghanistan, Iraq. Those are all american battlefields, therefore I propose to put all migrants on the orange juice tanker and send them to 'good 'ol' uncle Sam.
[–]Italycodexxxxxxxxxx -2ポイント-1ポイント0ポイント 1日前 (5子コメント)
1) There are thousands of reasons for immigrants and for problems in those countries, and some of these are barely connected with each other;
2) "US battlefields", so basically you're saying that US came there and made all the shit up. Interesting. Because it's not true.
[–]Greecelordemort13 4ポイント5ポイント6ポイント 1日前 (0子コメント)
You sure?
[–]CroatiaLangley_Bot 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 1日前 (3子コメント)
US geopolitical battlefields
[–]Italycodexxxxxxxxxx 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 1日前 (2子コメント)
They may be geopolitical battlefields, but they're surely not the cause of immigrants.
[–]Fuck the EU.Arathian 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 23時間前 (1子コメント)
What would be a more plausible cause?
Who gave weapons to ISIS and iraqi forces that were so poorly trained that they retreated instantly?
Who gave weapons to terrorists opposing Assad? Who caused that stable middle eastern nation to collapse into a 5 years war?
Who invaded Iraq? Who invaded Afghanistan?
I am not in the anti-American train, I quite like Americans, but their foreign policy is shit and HAS caused most of the problems.
[–]Switzerlandchauceer [スコア非表示] 19分前 (0子コメント)
The US did not at all cause the Syrian Civil War. That is patent bullshit. Barack Obama and the US have been very reluctant do much at all towards supporting the rebels, it has been France that has been much more hawkish. It has been Turkey, Qatar, and Saudi Arabia that have funded the rebels and ensured the continuation of the rebellion, but the very beginning was due to Sunni Islamist resentment against the Assad regime
If you'd like to learn more in lieu of 'muh american imeprialism' visit /r/syriancivilwar
[–][deleted] 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 1日前 (4子コメント)
FYI the U.S. already resettles more refugees than any other country.
http://www.unhcr.org/524c31a09.html
Plus European countries (and NATO in some) were involved in Libya, Afghanistan, and Iraq. Finally, the UK was also involved in Syria.
Don't act like Europe wasn't a part of these conflicts as well.
[–]JayOC 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 1日前 (2子コメント)
Sweden took in more refugees than the US.
For Fiscal Year (FY) 2015, the ceiling is 70,000. Refugee Ceilings and Admitted Refugees to the U.S., FY 2009-2014.
http://www.immigrationpolicy.org/just-facts/refugees-fact-sheet
[–][deleted] 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 1日前 (1子コメント)
This link says nothing about Sweden.
Instead it says, "The United States resettles more refugees than any other country, and these refugees go on to contribute to our communities and our economy" in the first paragraph.
Resettling is not necessarily where a refugee first ends up - many of these folks will end up in the U.S.
[–]popadom4u -2ポイント-1ポイント0ポイント 2時間前 (0子コメント)
Is it per capita or another one of those stupid charts that fat americans jerk themselves over getting bigger numbers than iceland?
[–]European UnionIKraftI 8ポイント9ポイント10ポイント 1日前* (5子コメント)
lol, I'm sure Bashar al-Assads regime wasn't torturing people before the demonstrations got shot up (seems to be in the family huh?) and a third of the military deserted to the opposition which gets a few TOWs from time to time from the US. How the fuck is that an American "battlefield".
[–]FranceAntigoneInTheWall 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 1日前 (4子コメント)
Because america fund the syrian rebels
[–]Switzerlandchauceer 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 19時間前 (0子コメント)
It does not fund any major rebels in Syria. The American funded rebels have been eliminated by Jabhat Al Nusra. All the powerful rebel groups in Syria are funded by Turkey, Saudi Arabia, and Qatar.
if you'd like to learn more (in lieu of 'MUH AMERICAN IMPERIALISM') visit /r/syriancivilwar.
[–]European UnionIKraftI 4ポイント5ポイント6ポイント 1日前 (0子コメント)
You seem to miss the entire point of my comment
[–]Baguettegabechko 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 1日前 (1子コメント)
And we don't?
[–]Switzerlandchauceer 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 19時間前 (0子コメント)
Odd that this is getting downvoted. If anything France has been more hawkish towards Syria than the US.
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[–]BelgiumTrickleDownHax 64ポイント65ポイント66ポイント 1日前 (90子コメント)
The silence of the mods is starting to bother me.
[–]European UnionSpAn12[M] -36ポイント-35ポイント-34ポイント 1日前 (89子コメント)
Hi. What questions do you have?
[–]Rightful Argentine clayAugusto_Franco 44ポイント45ポイント46ポイント 1日前* (22子コメント)
So mods, this is an immigration thread.
I assume you will remove it? Or will you let it stay because it fits with leftist narrative and makes immigrants look good?
Edit: The thread was removed!
[–]Audunis 14ポイント15ポイント16ポイント 16時間前 (1子コメント)
r/European is looking better by the day: https://www.reddit.com/r/european/comments/3h0lnl/meanwhile_on_reurope_we_can_promote_our_agenda_so/
[–]Italygoerz 10ポイント11ポイント12ポイント 11時間前 (0子コメント)
I was skeptical initially, but I'm finding that sub more and more interesting. Probably that's what the mods want: all immigration debates moved out of r/europe.
[–]European UnionSpAn12[M] -35ポイント-34ポイント-33ポイント 1日前 (19子コメント)
I did look at that thread and did nearly delete it earlier - until I read the article.
While the survey questions German Muslims it does not differentiate between those who were and those who were not born in Germany. It is not about immigration, rather, the social composition of Germany and the views of a specific social group.
In the same way I would not remove a post about the views of Christians, Jews, Sikhs or Buddhists etc in any country.
Or will you let it stay because it fits with leftist narrative and makes immigrants look good?
It doesn't make immigrants look good. Because the article was about Muslims, not immigrants.
[–]Rightful Argentine clayAugusto_Franco 36ポイント37ポイント38ポイント 1日前* (18子コメント)
So you wouldn't remove any thread that points out how:
“None of the 500 British Muslims interviewed believed that homosexual acts were morally acceptable.
51 per cent agree that a Muslim woman may not marry a non‐Muslim, 61 per cent think homo‐sexuality should be made illegal
Almost 60 per cent reject homosexuals as friends and 45 per cent think that Jews cannot be trusted
A quarter of [Muslim] students said men and women were not equal in the eyes of Allah and seven per cent were not sure, with more women than men feeling unequal.
The scary reality is that only three percent of British Muslims "took a consistently pro-freedom of speech line on these questions.
None of those links "differentiate between those who were and those who were not born in" Europe
[–]European UnionSpAn12[M] -49ポイント-48ポイント-47ポイント 1日前* (17子コメント)
Now I will be honest. I would judge on a post by post basis, however, in your case I would be far more likely to remove them. I do not believe that you are interested in an open discussion on this issue. Largely due to your posting history.
You are also moderator of a subreddit which, in the side bar states:
A place to discuss the loathsome, goat-fucking, clit-cutting, murderous Muslim menace.
So I say again. In your case I would be far more likely to remove them.
[–]United KingdomBenKerman 23ポイント24ポイント25ポイント 23時間前 (0子コメント)
How very tolerant of you
[–]Україна!Kuklachev 33ポイント34ポイント35ポイント 1日前 (5子コメント)
hypocrit
[–]European UnionSpAn12[M] -35ポイント-34ポイント-33ポイント 1日前 (4子コメント)
I don't think so. I said above:
This includes both positive and negative posts about particular groups. I would apply this equally across the board.
Expect in instances where I think a particular user is using such posts to break the following two rules:
It is not ok to suggest that members of different cultures or races are incapable of cohabiting.
It is not ok to suggest that some races or cultures are inherently better than others.
[–]Audunis 7ポイント8ポイント9ポイント 16時間前 (0子コメント)
So this would be out then: http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/11/denmark-muslim-majority-in-local-board-cancels-decade-old-christmas-tradition-finances-eid-party-wit
[–]IrelandAl_Cohol 12ポイント13ポイント14ポイント 21時間前 (0子コメント)
I am from a culture called ZynoRaxism we believe that only people who follow our sect deserve to live and all others must be "Removed"
are you sure it's not ok to suggest different cultures are incapable of cohabiting because that goes against my religion/culture and I'll have to report you to the admins.
In my culture, Women have sex with relatives at the age of 18 for 7 days to coincide with the days of the week and the blood moon prophecy Of walakin-do eye-rubani the blood god of the planet Zx-21 (Andromeda Galaxy)
at the age of 20 we twist cut and break off boys fingers to accept them into man hood and when a person reaches 70 they are tied to a bed and set on fire. (all of this has been agreed to upon accepting ZynoRaxism)
We believe that by it's sole existance our culture is inferior to every other culture.
Are you going to tell me that say, American modern culture is possibly worse than mine? if so I think the Admins will need to see this.
[–]The NetherlandsXeran_ 20ポイント21ポイント22ポイント 1日前* (0子コメント)
Except those rules aren't exactly applied equally. Rather comments got removed which pointed out that fact
https://np.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/3fbp1f/immigration_megathread_part_iv/ctnfgkj?context=1
Others get removed which say the exact same thing. Only with some names changed to change side in the debate
[–]Україна!Kuklachev 28ポイント29ポイント30ポイント 1日前 (0子コメント)
You said that you did not delete an article that said that "60% of German Muslims support same-sex marriage" but you would delete and the submission about the fact that in UK "61 per cent think homo‐sexuality should be made illegal".
These submissions are identical in context. They are different in resulting content - one is good for your narrative. Another is bad. One would be deleted. And you let another be as it was.
This is hypocrisy. You claim to be neutral and obeying whatever rules you impose on others. In fact - you don't.
[–]Rightful Argentine clayAugusto_Franco 47ポイント48ポイント49ポイント 1日前 (7子コメント)
If you're going to be honest then you might as well admit that you only left the thread up because it made Muslims look good.
Based on /user/Hulgerx4's posting history, it's obvious he has an agenda too. His entire posting history consists of only pro-Islam comments.
So we can promote our agenda so long as it aligns with what the mods beleive
[–]European UnionSpAn12[M] -30ポイント-29ポイント-28ポイント 1日前 (5子コメント)
I frankly don't care if a post makes whatever group look good or bad. What matters is how each is discussed.
[–]itsjh 15ポイント16ポイント17ポイント 19時間前 (0子コメント)
Bollocks
[–]IrelandAl_Cohol 14ポイント15ポイント16ポイント 21時間前 (1子コメント)
I'll probably get banned for this but you're a real weasel.
[–]chill1995 16ポイント17ポイント18ポイント 22時間前 (0子コメント)
So, you're essentially tone-policing?
[–]ÖsterreichRedKrypton 25ポイント26ポイント27ポイント 1日前 (0子コメント)
Well, currently you don't even try to let it get discussed, but tucked away in the Immigration Thread. These get very cluttered and confused. Trying to discuss one single article is made unreasonably difficult.
Also the exposure is very different. While the the pro muslim article was allowed to be paraded on the front page, articles which show that a lot of migrants aren't really integrated and are far more conservative are deleted instantly.
This currently is the biggest talking point in the EU right now and you try to make it disappear from conversation or at least try to minimise it.
[–]BelgiumTrickleDownHax 29ポイント30ポイント31ポイント 1日前* (7子コメント)
Well mainly that huge amounts of comments get deleted, just today a meta post about the megathread also got deleted and that not one mod takes the time to tell us why they're deleting so much comments/threads.
I would get it if those comments were all racist, but tell us that's why you deleted them. Also about that meta post that got deleted today, deleting a thread that criticizes the mega-thread (with valid points imo) and thus criticizing the mods seems like a very questionable move at best, especially when they give no explanation. To me (us?) it seems like you guys are trying to bury the topic of immigration in a dark hole and that nobody can speak about it, expect in that dark hole.
So what my question would be I guess is: Why are you guys not telling us why you're doing all these things.
Note: You may have mentioned somewhere why you're doing all these things, but in that case it's not very visable and it definitly wouldn't hurt to repeat it from time to time, instead of giving us an eardeafening silence.
Edit: spelling
[–]European UnionSpAn12[M] -30ポイント-29ポイント-28ポイント 1日前 (6子コメント)
Hi. Good and fair question.
The meta-thread and other comments were removed, I think, because there is a grey area in the subreddit rules over whether meta posts are allowed or not see section 4 of the Community Rules and Guidelines. We are currently discussing as a mod team how best to proceed with that.
I have said elsewhere in this thread that I believe such posts should be allowed to stay up and that is what I will push for in these discussions. I also think meta-threads can provide a space where the admins can engage in dialogue with the user-base.
There is frankly no excuse for a disconnect and that is what I am trying to address.
[–]Slovakiaunicycling_dinosaur 19ポイント20ポイント21ポイント 1日前 (4子コメント)
If you're not sure if they should be removed, why are you removing them? Shouldn't you keep them up unless you've decided they are against the rules?
[–]European UnionSpAn12[M] -11ポイント-10ポイント-9ポイント 1日前 (3子コメント)
I am personally not removing them. Hopefully after we reach a decision nobody else will be either.
[–]ヽ(◉◡◔)ノkabav 27ポイント28ポイント29ポイント 1日前 (2子コメント)
Someone banned a user for posting this:
Can we have a meta Megathread since the current megathread is not about immigration and the community deserves some answers?
I think there really needs to be correlation between the community rules and the actual moderation, because at times it seems more like arbitrary actions by some emotional guy, than actual moderation.
Btw. thanks for engaging in constructive dialogue, it's exactly what we need more of!
[–]European UnionSpAn12[M] -13ポイント-12ポイント-11ポイント 1日前 (1子コメント)
I think there really needs to be correlation between the community rules and the actual moderation
We are trying to get this sorted ASAP. There has been a disconnect between the two and different mods have been applying different standards. Greater clarity and guidance is needed.
[–]BlueSparkle 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 5時間前 (0子コメント)
what happened to updating the thread are getting posted ? i personally would think its needed for megathreads to work properly. whats your opinion on that if you don't mind me asking.
edit: nevermind, you answered it below, but if you don't have enough manpower, then maybe getting extra mods could be a solution? also thank you work.
[–]ThisIsAUsRNaame 13ポイント14ポイント15ポイント 1日前 (0子コメント)
Ah so thats why my meta thread was removed. Kinda sad I need to find a comment explaining why since moderators refuses to respond to my modmails.
[–]EUIt_Is1-24PM 20ポイント21ポイント22ポイント 1日前 (6子コメント)
An chance we can have filters rather then magathread? Under 1st megatread we were told that setting up filters take time - how much more time you need..?
Do you really think all deleted comments, documented here should be deleted, so the thread now looks like this ?
π Rendered by PID 14263 on app-204 at 2015-08-15 23:01:22.973652+00:00 running 76a938d country code: JP.
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