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Career commercial pilots are screened for recklessness and immaturity. Not just anyone becomes a pilot. Nevertheless, qualities involved in risk-taking are needed in an emergency: fearlessness and an ability to act quickly. That risk-taking tendency is an advantage for men. Diligence and conscientiousness don’t matter much in emergencies.
Also, women do not outscore men on the sort of mechanical diligence involved in the operation of machinery. If so, then women would be better car mechanics and engineers. The truth is, men are more highly motivated than women to work with machinery. After all, airplanes were conceived, developed and built by men. Are you telling me women are better equipped to fly machines they never could have built? I’ve never met a single little girl who was fascinated with planes as machines. I have met quite a few little boys who were. Which brings us to yet another reason why women shouldn’t be pilots. Men are avid about flying. And the field is infused with a masculine esprit de corps. If that is destroyed, it should be of necessity, not simply for the gratification of a few.

Laura Wood, The Thinking Housewife 41 Comments [12/31/2014 4:16:53 AM]
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#1747885
anothga

Are you telling me women are better equipped to fly machines they never could have built?
So not right it's not even wrong?

12/31/2014 4:38:40 AM
#1747895


"I’ve never met a single little girl who was fascinated with planes as machines. "

And you've met every little girl that's ever existed or ever will exist? Just because YOU haven't met them means they couldn't possibly exist? Do you think that might have anything at all to do with many mothers having them play with dolls and kitchen sets?

12/31/2014 4:52:19 AM
#1747896
MK

I've never met anyone from Thinking Housewife who actually thinks.

12/31/2014 4:56:16 AM
#1747899
Justanotheratheist

Tell that to the woman who helped safely land the 737 which lost part of its roof in flight over Hawaii back in 1988. Granted the other pilot was a male - but I'll bet he was glad he had her on board.


12/31/2014 5:03:14 AM
#1747910
Swede

Men are advantaged in an emergency? So, why are women often in charge of raising children, again?
Operation of machinery? You mean like washing machines, hot ovens, stoves, sewing machines?
Men are often raised with an expectancy of liking mechanics and engines...
Ever heard about Amelia Earhart?
Most pilots could never build a plane!
SOME men are avid about flying, other men are avid about cooking or gardening.

The Little Girl from the 1981 LEGO Ad is All Grown Up, and She’s Got Something to Say

12/31/2014 5:24:42 AM
#1747921
Sangfroid

You are aware that Hap Arnold, who commanded the US Army Air Forces in World War II, said of the Women's Airforce Service Pilots, "Now, in 1944, it is on the record that women can fly as well as men."

Who am I going to believe about suitability to fly? Laura Wood or Hap Arnold?

12/31/2014 5:40:44 AM
#1747927
Reynardine

Hitler used to have nightmares about flying Valkyries coming to get him. I never heard whether they were dressed like Soviet pilots or not, but they should have been.

12/31/2014 5:53:22 AM
#1747946
D Laurier

the 588th Night Bomber Regiment would like a word with you.

12/31/2014 6:30:22 AM
#1747948
Doubting Thomas

That risk-taking tendency is an advantage for men. Diligence and conscientiousness don’t matter much in emergencies.

Seriously? You're joking, right? Pilots are trained to follow a checklist of procedures during an in-flight emergency. Taking risks and not using diligence is something which would be detrimental and would help the pilot fly all the way to the scene of the crash.

Are you telling me women are better equipped to fly machines they never could have built?

Again, are you serious? I guess you've never heard of Rosie the Riveter. And I'm willing to bet solid money that aircraft factories have women working in them today.

Men are avid about flying. And the field is infused with a masculine esprit de corps. If that is destroyed, it should be of necessity, not simply for the gratification of a few.

OK, now I'm convinced your name is really Larry Wood.

12/31/2014 6:31:17 AM
#1747956
pete

I have flown radio control planes for more than 40 years. Recently, I have been flying electric models at a local park. I often end up with a bunch of kids watching me fly and I can detect no particular difference in their enthusiasm based on gender. One little girl, in particular, is my biggest fan. She absolutely devours any and all information about airplanes and she is delighted when I let her move the sticks on the transmitter so she can watch "the back end wiggle".

Also. Look up Jacqueline Cochran.

12/31/2014 6:43:55 AM
#1747959
Hasan Prishtina

There are about 4,000 women airline pilots these days. If you're worried about this, just stop flying.

12/31/2014 6:49:07 AM
#1747960
dionysus

If women can't build planes then who the fuck built all the planes we used in WWII? Did the men hop back and forth between the factories and the European battlefields to supply themselves in your deranged fantasy world? Sure, there were probably men that stayed here and built planes but most of the work for supplying the war effort was being done by women since women were not often allowed in the military.

Career commercial pilots are screened for recklessness and immaturity. Not just anyone becomes a pilot. Nevertheless, qualities involved in risk-taking are needed in an emergency: fearlessness and an ability to act quickly.

You're fucking with us, right? Who the hell wants a risky commercial pilot? Any airline that uses that as a criterion is going to cause deaths and get sued out of business. Most airlines have an insanely long checklist just to be able to take off and a long checklist if anything goes wrong. You think they'll hand over their multi-million dollar machines and their potential returning customers to some moron who wants to show what a badass he is by flaunting safety precautions?

12/31/2014 6:49:12 AM
#1747962


"Also, women do not outscore men on the sort of mechanical diligence involved in the operation of machinery."

I would think Patty would like a word with you... Can you say THREE US National Aerobatics Championships? First woman to win the US National Aerobatic Championship? Against MEN? Gold, silver, and bronze medals on the US Aerobatic Team? Flies multiple classes of airplanes (high-performance planes like the Extra 300 at Championship level) and helicopters. Her Extra 260 is on display next to Amelia Earhart's Lockheed Vega at the National Air and Space Museum. Ever see Patty fly her Extra 300?

Patty Wagstaff

Watch this and I dare you to question her "operation of machinery" skills...

12/31/2014 6:52:04 AM
#1747964
creativerealms

Yes there are things they males tend to be more interested in and there are things that females tend to be more interested in. No one denies this. Males do tend to be more interested and handy with machines and at fixing things. However while that's the norm it does not mean that there are no talented female mechanics or that a female mechanic should be looked as inferior.

Traditions and norms exist for a reason but when people talk about equality they are not acting as though men and female are equal but that we all have the opportunity. The idea is when that rare mechanically adapt female shows up she is given the same respect as her male counterpart and not seen as inferior because of her gender.

Traditional and normal should not also mean exclusive.

12/31/2014 6:54:29 AM
#1747978
The Crimson Ghost

Give it up, Larry. You aren't fooling anyone.

12/31/2014 7:06:12 AM
#1747983
Japanda

Ummm...I was intrested in planes and machines as a little girl so I went on to join the Air Force so I could fix them for a living....so wrong. With how jets are built for flying you dont need much strength at all. So all and all for of shit, but I am not surprised.

12/31/2014 7:13:10 AM
#1747986
Japanda

And interesting note...I had a lot of people, including my mom, say I shouldn't play with those things and not go into the military with the job i did because, and I quote(sadly), "That's a boy's job and you'll always be getting dirty." 11 years later I'll never forget that lol.

12/31/2014 7:15:24 AM
#1747996
ConcernedCultist

Hanna R says even Nazis know women can be perfect flyers.

12/31/2014 7:33:54 AM
#1747997
Grimsoncrow

This might be unrelated, and sound sexist, but I've seen a couple of studies claiming that women are actually better at working under severe stress.

In operating something as complicated as a commercial airplane which has a malfunction, I would imagine the ability to keep calm and try to fix it/compensate for it would be more valuable than bravery and risk -taking.

What is it with all the aeroplanes today?

12/31/2014 7:36:53 AM
#1748016
Dr. Razark

"Also, women do not outscore men on the sort of mechanical diligence involved in the operation of machinery. If so, then women would be better car mechanics and engineers."

Perhaps I should ask my mother-in-law about that. She worked with engines for a while. (They happened to be the engines that went into the F-16s at the local airbase. And she happened to run the entire engine shop.)


"After all, airplanes were conceived, developed and built by men."

Perhaps more women would have tried building airplanes if there had been a lot less people saying "But you're a woman! You can't do that!"


"Are you telling me women are better equipped to fly machines they never could have built?"

Who said better? If they can hack it, let them do the job. (Although, I'm sure there are some that are better at flying a plane then I could ever be. I'm not more qualified for any job just because of my genitals.)

12/31/2014 8:18:20 AM
#1748020
Goomy pls

You are essentially bemoaning the inclusion of women in piloting and building planes... by highlighting the prior lack of women in those fields,

What a fatuous and unsound argument.

12/31/2014 8:23:26 AM
#1748021
Nomen Nescio

i work in computer technology, a field which certainly is "infused" with a "masculine esprit de corps" if it's anything at all. trust me when i say that quality isn't worth the spit it takes to insult it, and i wish some bright young Ph.D. candidate in the social sciences would write up a dissertation on a reliable way of fixing that gender imbalance among us comp sci geeks.

and what's this about having to know how to build something in order to be allowed to work with it? i know how to program software, configure networks, and administer operating systems, among other technical skills; i haven't a clue how to design a CPU, nor do i need to have one.

12/31/2014 8:26:58 AM
#1748032


no they aren't.
risk takiing is an advantage in an emergency ? I have to disagree on that although it dependss on how you define risk.
diligence and contientiosness dont count ? bullshit !

I have never met a man who was a born mechanic, it is something you learn. cultural expectations have an affect on kids cinduct but I have known several young women who knew more about cars and motorcycles than the men.

Laura , please go bake a cake.

12/31/2014 8:47:22 AM
#1748042


News flash, Larry. Pretending to be a woman isn't going to make your argument any more convincing to anyone.

12/31/2014 9:12:11 AM
#1748045
StoneSpiral

The inability to understand how strong social and even legal pressure was to keep women out of any kind of limelight until the more recent centuries is astounding.

I once heard the musings of a man I forget the name of who wondered how many Stephen Hawkings were ignored in mental asylums or died in working their whole lives in the fields of history. I, in turn, wonder how many brilliant women were cowed and never given the chance to rise to the height of even the most modest notoriety.

12/31/2014 9:19:11 AM
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