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[–]FullMetalCardigan 853ポイント854ポイント  (180子コメント)

People need to stop pretending there are no race issues in this county...

[–]HeadCrusher3000 193ポイント194ポイント  (179子コメント)

People also need to stop pretending the largest, most violent group of criminals is the police.

[–]moeburn 30ポイント31ポイント  (7子コメント)

People also need to stop pretending the largest, most violent group of criminals is the police.

They're not, but when a gang breaks into my house and kills my dog, I can call the cops. When the cops do it, who do I call?

[–]Tewks44 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

GHOST BUSTAS!!!

Sorry, this is a serious issue.

[–]DrunkCaliban 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Your lawyer.

[–]LoneMeteor 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

"Who watches the Watchmen?"

[–]themadxcow 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

You have a better chance of being struck by lightning than having the police break in on you.

[–]epochpenors 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ghostbusters?

[–]the_k_i_n_g 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ghostbusters?

[–]polddit -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Your parents.

Then you ask them why they raised you to be a drug addicted hippie getting in trouble with the law.

[–]ricker182 425ポイント426ポイント  (98子コメント)

A lot of them are getting away with murder, even when it's on tape.
I think that's the problem.

[–]ocellot9119 31ポイント32ポイント  (17子コメント)

The problem is that this is easily changed through local legislature governing how the police are handled. Police brutality may be a national problem, but it is solved at the municipal level, yet no one cares enough to vote in those elections. You'll have a lot of folks making noise at a rally or on social media, but how many of them do you think know the local policy on police internal investigations or bother to vote with that issue in mind?

[–]ChocolateSunrise 52ポイント53ポイント  (10子コメント)

While it may be "easily changed" through local action, the reality is their is almost no political will to enact this change and in fact many localities the majority of voters don't seem to mind police abuse aimed at minorities as long as it stays off the front page.

[–]ocellot9119 0ポイント1ポイント  (9子コメント)

I don't disagree. Voter apathy is the real problem here.

Well, just for an example, Ferguson, MI MO is over 65% black and had a 95% white police force. If they had a problem with the Police Department (or their IA policies), they should have voted, plain and simple.

[–]Rahmulous 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ferguson, MO. MI is Michigan.

[–]AsteriskCGY 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Don't forget how the local municipality breakdown sounds pretty crazy there too.

[–]makemeking706 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

That's not a referendum issue. They are systematic decisions made internal to the department by the brass.

[–]ocellot9119 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (2子コメント)

The police leadership is appointed by the mayor, an elected official. The policies that are internal to the police department are still ultimately under the control of the electorate.

[–]makemeking706 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's so far removed that it's hardly possible to change via voting, especially if you are voting for the candidate that will go against the police and prison guard unions.

[–]ocellot9119 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's only because a mayor running on a platform of police reform usually doesn't inspire the apathetic to vote anymore than other issues. The unions are not a majority, they just have members who consistently vote. Voter apathy is the problem, and citing that a relatively small number of people (police unions) can influence an election to where a candidate with a police reform agenda has a hard time getting elected only reinforces the point that not enough people are voting.

[–]aa93 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's police policy not to cover up each others' illegal activity, but does that stop the blue wall from shielding countless crooked cops from justice? Not a bit.

You can't blame people for losing faith in the system when it's completely and utterly failed them.

[–]ocellot9119 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's de-facto policy to cover it up. Corruption is almost never explicit, and we have to read between the lines. Police have loyalty problems that cause crimes to go unpunished. The system has only failed them because they've abandoned it and allowed it to. The first time a mayor or superintendent doesn't hold an officer accountable, their job should be in jeopardy. Very few mayors are going to put loyalty before re-electability.

[–]TrowaX -5ポイント-4ポイント  (0子コメント)

voting won't make qualified black applicants appear out of thin air. There aren't fewer black cops because "racism" its because most blacks don't want the job and so many have felony records.

[–]bobusdoleus 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Okay, and how do you change this? With activism and awareness-raising. A movement, as it were.

If you sit there and don't make a stink, you think voter turn out will increase suddenly somehow?

[–]ocellot9119 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm not against any movements to increase voter participation, and I'm all for making a "stink" if it's going to help.

[–]bobusdoleus 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Helping is a multi-step process. 1.) Make people realize there's a problem, 2.) get people to try and fix it. Movement's mostly in stage 1, as evidenced by OP's post and people generally seeming to belittle the issue.

[–]ThunderRambles 6ポイント7ポイント  (72子コメント)

Aside from the guy who was shot in the back while running from a cop (which was intentionally done, quite possibly premeditated)...

Can you point out another situation where police murdered someone? Because I haven't seen that video.

"Officer-involved shooting" does not equate to "murder", nor does an autopsy report listing cause of death as "homicide". I really wish people would stop with the "he was murdered in cold blood" BS, especially when the person killed was either assaulting a cop or being otherwise violent.

[–]N3WPORT 14ポイント15ポイント  (1子コメント)

The Cincinnati university cop that shot a guy during a traffic shot was charged with murder.

[–]Nabeshin82 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

And if you watch the vid, it definitely was. The guy shouldn't have tried to drive off, sure. The cop jumping into the car and then acting as if suddenly finding himself in a moving car at close distance with the driver a threat is insane.

[–]hippos_eat_men 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

This is a classic case from NYC. Cops were acquitted.

Then to make the point about cam video what about the campus cop in Cincinnati recently?

[–]lawlzillakilla 14ポイント15ポイント  (17子コメント)

Eric Garner? I mean, either you are being willfully ignorant at this point, or you really, really live under a rock. Police misconduct is a HUGE issue right now

[–]mikemerc 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

There was no intention to kill him. He resisted, the officer subdued him with a choke hold (not allowed by the NYPD) and he died. The officer didn't walk up to the scene and say I'm gonna choke this mother fucker till he dies.

[–]poobly -1ポイント0ポイント  (4子コメント)

What should officers have done? If you try to arrest someone and they resist, you just stop? I'm much more concerned about the incidents we don't have information on.

From the wiki:

NYPD officers approached Garner on suspicion of selling "loosies" (single cigarettes) from packs without tax stamps. After Garner told the police that he was tired of being harassed and that he was not selling cigarettes, the officers went to arrest Garner.[5] When officer Daniel Pantaleo took Garner's wrist behind his back, Garner swatted his arms away.[6] Pantaleo then put his arm around Garner's neck and pulled him backwards and down onto the ground.[7] After Pantaleo removed his arm from Garner's neck, he pushed Garner's face into the ground[8] while four officers moved to restrain Garner, who repeated "I can't breathe" eleven times while lying facedown on the sidewalk.[9] After Garner lost consciousness, officers turned him onto his side to ease his breathing.[10] Garner remained lying on the sidewalk for seven minutes while the officers waited for an ambulance to arrive.[11] The officers and EMTs did not perform CPR on Garner at the scene; according to a spokesman for the PBA, this was because they believed that Garner was breathing and that it would be improper to perform CPR on someone who was still breathing.[12][13] He was pronounced dead at the hospital approximately one hour later.[14]

[–]lawlzillakilla 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

Wait, "swatting his hand away" is enough nowadays to get choked and slammed face first into the ground by four armed officers? Did you watch the video? The police started the situation, escalated it, then acted in what they claimed as self defense. Thats not how policing is supposed to work. Especially when the guy was just under suspicion of selling loose cigarettes

[–]youranimemom 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

Where I live its illegal to choke someone or put them in choke-holds. Officers are taught to make people comply by use of pressure points and other non-lethal practices.

In fact when I was taught this, the instructors exact words were "the point is to cause short-term pain. We don't want to seriously hurt someone because that will cause more problems."

So every time I see shit like this on the news, I call bullshit. An officer doesn't use a gun unless a weapon is being used against them or someone else. If the suspect is running away, then a gun is unnecessary and its police brutality. If an officer chokes the suspect, not only is it illegal, but it's unnecessary and it's police brutality. Officers are trained to controll people without doing thag stuff. If an officer needs to chase someone, then they need to chase someone. If they have to use a tazer, thats too bad for the suspect. But if people are being choked for not complying, then there is something wrong.

[–]lawlzillakilla 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Thank you, always good to get another perspective. You a LEO?

[–]youranimemom 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Im training to become an officer.

Edit: Not academy training, I should make this clear. I'm working for my local sherrifs office in an internship untill I'm old enough to enroll in an academy. They're trying to teach as much as they can before I do, one subject being self-defense and the use of pressure points.

[–]TypicalLibertarian [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

The police didn't kill Eric Garner. Eric Garner's 350lbs killed Eric Garner.

[–]Artinz7 -3ポイント-2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Did you read his comment? Garner's death, like others, was ruled a homicide, not murder, because although there were claims that he was choked, there was no evidence of damage to Garner's windpipe or neck.

[–]lawlzillakilla 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

But that's the whole reason people are pissed. Wiki says "The New York City Medical Examiner's Office attributed Garner's death to a combination of a chokehold, compression of his chest, and poor health."

Who put him in a choke hold and compressed his chest, while ignoring his pleas about not being able to breathe? Oh, right. The NYPD. If a private citizen had done this, especially a black one, they would be in jail. What happened fits the scope of murder (that I posted earlier for this guy). Its just that it seems to take some divine act from God to punish one of the boys in blue. Even when they really fuck up.

[–]Artinz7 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

People are pissed because they have made their own judgements based on very little information. The Medical Examiner's Office attributed death to a chokehold, that is true, but they also found no damage to his windpipe or neck bones, which is incredibly strange in cases of strangulation. Also, reports say the choke hold lasted no longer than 15 seconds (I have to denote that these are the alleged reports, since the official conclusion on the police report is that the choke hold never happened), which is not enough time to kill someone by stopping them from breathing. Furthermore, a man that weighs over 350 pounds and has a history of asthma and heart problems is definitely at risk of a heart attack when he resists arrest and struggles physically with police. One of the common symptoms of a heart attack is shortness of breath and the inability to catch your breath. I'm not saying he was or was not murdered for sure, but from the evidence that the public has been allowed to see, there is no conclusion that can be made.

[–]rthomas6 3ポイント4ポイント  (19子コメント)

Aiyana Jones

[–]YouHaveShitTaste 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

James Boyd

[–]ThunderRambles -3ポイント-2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Agreed he was unjustifiably killed, but there's only one problem.

He was a white man. Still no proof of black people being murdered.

[–]morales1212 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Tamir Rice

Eric Garner

[–]ThunderRambles -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Neither of these are murder.

[–]hippyengineer 1ポイント2ポイント  (12子コメント)

As a civilian, I'm not allowed to brandish or fire a weapon unless I can swear under oath that my life was in immediate mortal danger. You really think police should be given more lenience than that? I'd rather police run away and regroup than jump on the hood of a car and emptying two magazines into the windshield.

Worst thing American police ever did was put away the revolver and start carrying glocs. If you can't stop a threat with 6 bullets you should be running and calling for backup, not waging war on the streets.

[–]Osiris32 0ポイント1ポイント  (7子コメント)

I'm not allowed to brandish or fire a weapon unless I can swear under oath that my life was in immediate mortal danger.

Cops have to do that, too. Only instead of initially in court, it's done under a Garrity hearing where they are given a variation on Miranda rights where silence can still get you fired.

Read up on the Garrity warnings

[–]hippyengineer -1ポイント0ポイント  (6子コメント)

They sure do, except I can pretty much guarantee you that I'd face charges In a heartbeat if I fired my weapon at someone I approached and claimed made a "furtive" movement or reached for a waistband. Not the case with police.

I'm not allowed to fire until I see the weapon in a purp's hand, cops simply need to imagine its existence.

[–]Osiris32 1ポイント2ポイント  (5子コメント)

The big difference is that society doesn't expect you to go out and confront someone causing a disturbance. In fact, you are actively told not to. Society instead tells the police, people ostensibly trained and equipped to deal with such situations, that they are the ones to wade into whatever is going on and handle it.

TL;DR -

Cop brandishing his gun - extension of society's will
You brandishing your gun - vigilante at best

[–]hippyengineer -1ポイント0ポイント  (4子コメント)

"Ostensibly"

....

They're murdering people, lying about it, being backed up by coward cops too scared to stand up against the crime they swore to fight.

Cops ARE civilians, despite 40 years of militarization convincing you otherwise.

You made an interesting point: why is it ok for police to "wade" into a shooting, when I would possibly face charges for not backing up and calling for help? Shouldn't police do the same in an effort to reduce violence and de-escalate?? Why are you arguing FOR killing criminals if there is a way to resolve it peacefully??

[–]Osiris32 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

Uou made an interesting point: why is it ok for police to "wade" into a shooting, when I would possibly face charges for not backing up and calling for help? Shouldn't police do the same in an effort to reduce violence and de-escalate?? Why are you arguing FOR killing criminals if there is a way to resolve it peacefully??

Because in many cases, especially in dense urban areas, waiting for backup means either A) more people dead or B) the suspect gets away.

The police are not an omnipotent force. They cannot be everywhere all the time. Most cops roll solo, they don't have a partner with which to help create even a temporary perimeter. Even if backup is only 30 seconds away, that 30 seconds is a lifetime in terms of how quickly a situation can change. Think about it for a moment, go stare at a clock as it goes through 30 seconds, then imagine what you can do in that same amount of time.

This is why we ask cops to wade into those situations. Because stopping the gun fire is THE most important part, even if that means the officer engaging in that gun fire as well. Real life is not the movies, you can't wait for someone to reload, you can't fire a couple warning shots and hope they take cover, you cannot aim for the leg or arm or try to shoot the gun out of their hand. And talking someone down when they are already shooting isn't realistic in any way.

What's your experience with the police? I'm not talking about videos you've seen, I'm talking about actual face-to-face interactions. Have you ever been on a ride along? Attended a citizen's academy? Taken classes in criminal justice or criminal law?

Have you educated yourself as to the laws, policies, and procedures that surround law enforcement, and why those laws, policies, and procedures exist?

[–]Nineinchstuffer 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

Maybe cops should just start carrying batons instead. It's Glock BTW.

[–]hippyengineer -2ポイント-1ポイント  (2子コメント)

That would probably result in fewer deaths, and a more comprehensive crime fighting strategy than simply, "the crime was over there so that's where I emptied my magazine."

[–]Nineinchstuffer 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Fewer criminal deaths maybe. What about the police? There is a place where disputes are handled and it's called court. How about we stop fighting with and running from police and just comply? Or better yet, dont put yourself in a situation where the police have to use force. You broke the law, you got caught, deal with it. Instead of focusing on punishing people who are breaking the law, it has become common to scrutinize the way police handle it and now the criminal is a victim.

[–]hippyengineer -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

TIL a police life is more valuable than someone they suspect of committing a crime.

Police have killed over 500 since jan1 2015. You really think 500 cops would get killed in the same time period of they didn't have guns? TIL police have absolutely no sense of self preservation, and would get themselves into these same shootings, only forgetting they didn't have a gun at the last moment....

It's been a learning day for me, I guess.

[–]Lightningrod300 -1ポイント0ポイント  (6子コメント)

Its not the 'getting away with murder' part (although thats a problem); its the abuse. You have a man selling cigarettes illegally you tackle him the ground beat his head in and suffocate him even when he is screaming for the police to stop. Yes the man laying on the ground is fighting back and struggling because he is unable to breathe due to a 190 pound man kneeling on his neck. Somethings should be handled a certain way but lets be honest people tend to criminalize hispanics and blacks quicker than whites. Thats why these situations are handled differently. http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/24816-the-criminalization-of-black-youth-interviews-with-kai-wright-and-allen-nance#

[–]ThunderRambles -1ポイント0ポイント  (5子コメント)

When did they "beat his head in and suffocate him"? I saw that video multiple times and didn't see that.

Also, he continued to say "I can't breathe" AFTER the cop removed the apparent chokehold.

Odd how people "tend to criminalize" Hispanics and blacks... but then the proof in those cases, more often than not, shows they committed the crime they were accused of.

[–]Lightningrod300 -1ポイント0ポイント  (4子コメント)

Sorry got it mixed up. But you're missing the point there is a lot going on than what they put on the news. People of color are and have been handled differently in situation such as this, because we see them as a threat. A guy could be drunk walking home. What do we do? Put him in a choke hold. Thats the problem; yes some commit crimes and should be arrested but not immediately shot. You know what i'm saying? Im not talking about white people specifically but police in the USA. People of color are handled with more aggression and force than others in a normal arrest. And thats what people are tired of. It's a known stereotype in this country that if you are black and a cop stops you will be beaten. THATS THE PROBLEM. We know this shit happens we just turn a blind eye and say "hey the guy was probably a a horrible criminal who deserved it." When it is "more often than not" a misdemeanor. http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/criminalization-young-black-men-abomination

[–]ThunderRambles 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

I'm white and my ex-wife called the cops on me once. They were initially somewhat abrasive in approaching me, asked me to get off my car (I was sitting on my trunk), hands out of pockets, etc.

By the time I was done talking to them, they were telling my ex-wife's mom to be quiet and telling my ex-wife that if I wanted to, I could walk right in the house and sleep on the couch whether she liked it or not.

My point is that whether or not you do anything wrong (in that case I hadn't at all), you should treat police with respect. Like I said, they were abrasive because it's a domestic dispute. I still spoke calmly, casually, and even told them, "I don't even want to go inside the house, I just want a couple of my things. They can bring them out to me, but they're completely barricading me and not letting me near the door." Eventually things were settled without them (or me) even speaking loudly.

It's not a police problem all the time. It's a citizen's reaction problem quite often.

[–]Lightningrod300 -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

I agree people can be dangerous and the police have to handle that problem appropriately most of the time involving force. But all i was saying is that the people are more upset over how to cops approach situation involving black or hispanic people, that lead to the death of said black or hispanic people. This problem is not black and white despite involving black and white. But we do need to understand that there are still people who treat cops with respect but still get abused based on there color. And of course vice versa.

[–]ThunderRambles 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

I want to know the reasoning behind "black people are targeted by cops" when there's a VERY large amount of police officers who are black / Hispanic / other non-white races.

[–]dventurino -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

John Crawford III

http://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2014/sep/25/ohio-shooting-walmart-video

[–]ThunderRambles 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I agree, this one was pretty unjustified. No assessment of the situation, no attempt to address Crawford, just walk in-point-shoot.

[–]raznog -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

People are giving you a couple examples but it just further proves your point. A small number of examples does not make a huge problem. Yes it's a problem that it happens but it is not wide spread or common. The great majority of the police are not doing these things.

[–]HitachinoBia 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Justice is served and because you don't agree with it doesn't mean it isn't justice.

[–]Misaiato -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Dude - 1/3 of the murders that happen are never solved.

http://www.npr.org/2015/03/30/395069137/open-cases-why-one-third-of-murders-in-america-go-unresolved

[–][deleted] -5ポイント-4ポイント  (0子コメント)

No, almost all shootings are justified.

[–]OldCarSmell42 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Because they generally aren't murder. And ones that are, are punished.

[–]slowcom -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not a lot of them. Calm down drama queen.

[–]ComatoseSquirrel 32ポイント33ポイント  (1子コメント)

Right, okay. Never mind that the police are authority figures charged with enforcing the law. Police committing crimes against people is a huge issue. They're not the most violent group in the country, but they're by far the most dangerous when violent.

[–]Solomaxwell6 27ポイント28ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes, and it's particularly important because it destroys trust.

If you're a young black man and you witness or a victim of a crime, and you know that if you go to the police you'll be ignored at best or attacked at worst... would you still go? Improving police/minority relations will go a long way towards reducing crime.

[–]Rsdd12 -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

Which is the biggest problem tho? Black criminals doing crimes, or white cops doing crimes?

[–]_bad_ -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Cops aren't responsible for more the half of the crime like blacks are. Most cops actually fight crime.

[–]Rsdd12 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Alrighty. I stand by what I said, which is worse. Criminals doing crimes, or cops doing crimes?

[–]Wazula42 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Police are representatives of the state, they are paid with my tax dollars and they are allowed to detain or use physical violence against me in the course of their job. They should be held to a higher standard. The fact that there are any murdering criminals AT ALL in the police force is worthy of concern.

[–]Blac_Ninja 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's not. But how are we suppose to go at the most violent criminal groups if our police system is flawed? I guess whats wrong with wanting to reform the police system when it has been shown to have really big problems. Violent criminal groups are not a structure that we decided to build and use to enforce our own laws, the police are. We aren't giving violent criminal groups the power over us, but we are giving the police that power. We have a much harder time controlling how the violent criminal groups function, but we shouldn't have this same trouble with a group that we as a society created.

[–]greymattr 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

People also need to stop pretending the largest, most violent group of criminals is not the police.

I fixed that for you...

[–]HeadCrusher3000 [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

I suppose you can have evidence and the data to support your theory? Or are you gonna just say that mike brown was innocent?

[–]greymattr [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Really?!?!... ok... here you go

Do you know of another 'group' of people, working towards the same goals, that kills 400 people per year ?

Or better yet, what group of people was Mike Brown a part of that was more violent then the police ?

[–]greymattr [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Mike Brown was allegedly guilty of strong arm robbery, and arguably assaulting a police officer. I say 'allegedly' and 'arguably', to give you the benefit of the doubt, because in our justice system people are considered innocent until proven guilty, and Mike Brown was never proven guilty of either of these crimes ( which in our system makes him not guilty by default )...

That being said... he was shot to death.

So let me ask you what you see as more violent... Strong arm robbery and assault, or shooting someone to death ?

If you think shooting someone to death is less violent, then I guess we have to agree to dissagree...

[–]franklymydeer -5ポイント-4ポイント  (11子コメント)

Don't just subtly imply your point. Have the balls to actually come right out and say it.

Who are the largest, most violent group of criminals?

[–]HeadCrusher3000 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

Well we can look at crime stats and see. But thats racist

[–]franklymydeer -1ポイント0ポイント  (3子コメント)

Nobody is saying that statistics are racist. But it's an oversimplified way of looking at things and ignores social and economic factors.

We could just as easily say that the most violent group are poor people. That would be valid, because while there's a clear link between poverty ---> crime, the link between skin colour ---> crime is not clear at all.

[–]totylertarian 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Statistics can't be oversimplified. They are statistics. They act on their own. I no longer have access to an SPSS database but at the intersection of race and low income there is a pretty clear trend and defining majority. Social Theory can try to explain these issues away but that doesn't help the numbers.

[–]HeadCrusher3000 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

So saying all the cops and white people are you racist because of a few incidents isn't over simplifying things?

[–]_bad_ -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

But it's an oversimplified way of looking at things and ignores social and economic factors.

I don't care what your excuses are. The simple fact is that blacks are responsible for most of the crime in the country. People behave accordingly.

[–]Redrum714 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Are you dumb? In America its black people. I know your sensitive soul probably cant handle that.

[–]porchMahnkey -4ポイント-3ポイント  (3子コメント)

the same group that's the most violent in America, Canada and Europe; blacks/Africans.

[–]_bad_ 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The Caribbean, too. Let's not forget the whole continent of Africa.

[–]ggdiscthrow 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

Jesus Christ you guys really aren't trying with the usernames.

[–]max_f_robespierre -4ポイント-3ポイント  (6子コメント)

Whats your coontown main, coward?

[–]_bad_ -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ad hominem eh? That's all you got?

[–]ScyGlass -1ポイント0ポイント  (4子コメント)

POLICE ARE RACIST!!!!!!!!!! IF YOU SUPPORT ORGANIZED LAW ENFORCEMENT YOURE RACIST!!!!!!!

[–]DearEloise -3ポイント-2ポイント  (3子コメント)

Were you under the impression that you making an actual argument when you typed this up?

[–]ScyGlass 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Were you under the impression you weren't a retard when you posted this?

[–]HisMajestyWilliam -2ポイント-1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Wait, who is it then?