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[–]CyraleaRedPill EC[S] 10ポイント11ポイント  (39子コメント)

You're demonstrating my greater point, in that women are incapable of empathy towards men. You're a dude, yes, but your response is how nearly all women perceive weak men.

The example I provided isn't a complete hypothetical, it parallels pre-TRP behaviour. The way that you re-shaped reality to one in which the person who was lied to is at fault is precisely what women do. Male weakness is universally looked down upon, even when the male isn't at fault.

[–]THeShinyHObbiestYOU CAN SIT BETWEEN THE BACKSEAT AND MY FLAIR 12ポイント13ポイント  (28子コメント)

You're making the mistake of assuming the man isn't at fault.

There's nothing I dislike more than somebody who doesn't take responsibility for their actions. Whether it's the TRPer insisting that he only can't get laid because all women are total whores as opposed to his lack of attractiveness and boring personality or the feminist who insists that she didn't get a job because she was a woman as opposed to her lack of qualifications and unprofessional dress, you can always find somebody who insists that everything in life is somebody else's fault.

Here's a newsflash for you: women are totally capable of empathy towards men. They just don't owe you empathy. There's some scenarios where a poor sap can't catch a break, but in the vast majority of cases people aren't sexually successful because they don't set themselves up to be. They're just not interesting enough, or attractive enough, or funny enough to be a worthwhile partner.

I didn't re-shape reality. You said in your post that this was a "hypothetical scenario." Unless you don't know the definition of hypothetical, that means this scenario was not real.

[–]A_Redpill_Neckbeard 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

... Whether it's the TRPer insisting that he only can't get laid because all women are total whores as opposed to his lack of attractiveness and boring personality ...

I see a lot of people blaming themselves on TRP. I also see guys get called out when they try to blame other people, including women.

[–]CyraleaRedPill EC[S] 11ポイント12ポイント  (26子コメント)

I'm staggering from the number of fallacies in this post. I'll try to tackle them.

You're making the mistake of assuming the man isn't at fault.

No, I created the scenario, exactly as is, with the man not being at fault. You came in and posited that it must be his fault, somehow. In my hypothetical where he isn't. If you can't even accept my premise, how can any guy ever convince you of his situation in life?

Bear in mind, one of TRP's core tenets is personal accountability. Being lied to is not your fault, but not acting on it now that you do know is.

Here's a newsflash for you: women are totally capable of empathy towards men. They just don't owe you empathy.

I think you tried to re-adapt this from the "No one owes you respect" idiom, but hilariously defeated your own point. You don't earn someone else's empathy. That's nonsense. Empathy is something you feel simply because you can relate to someone else. One doesn't have to prove themselves worthy of it.

I didn't re-shape reality. You said in your post that this was a "hypothetical scenario."

I have no words. I literally can't find a way to explain to you the ways in which this makes no sense.

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      [–]PemBaylissFire Engine Red 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

      yeah. It's not always the man's fault.

      Some things ARE our fault.

      Some things are not.

      [–]CyraleaRedPill EC[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

      I've always taken the stance that it's not your fault for things you couldn't know, but it's your responsibility for things you do.

      [–]Nazrath2112Blood Splatter Red 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Relevant: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johari_window

      Most of the BP's here actually look down on you for things in your blind spot. I mean if they can figure it out then only an idiot cannot figure it out, AMIRITE?

      [–]PemBaylissFire Engine Red 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      And we all know generalizations are off limits.

      [–]gaylooboil 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      You're right. No one other than your RP cohorts will humor your hypothetical, because we reject it from the get-go. Jim was never misled or lied to about what Bob expects in an employee. Bob is not necessarily an unfair employer, and Frank is not necessarily some one-dimnetional asshole. Until Jim gets this through his thick head, Jim will spend his whole life unsuccessful in the field, blaming everyone else for his problems, and having one useless epiphany after the other about why things are they way they are.

      [–]THeShinyHObbiestYOU CAN SIT BETWEEN THE BACKSEAT AND MY FLAIR 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Hypothetical scenarios have their place. The thing is, you must tie them into reality.

      In this particular hypothetical, yes, Jim is getting screwed over. But, since there is no tie to reality, the scenario is useless. All it does is demonstrate the potential that some men are being fucked over. It does not demonstrate that it happens, and it certainly does not prove that it's the only thing that can happen.

      [–]THeShinyHObbiestYOU CAN SIT BETWEEN THE BACKSEAT AND MY FLAIR 6ポイント7ポイント  (16子コメント)

      I'm staggering from the number of fallacies in this post.

      You proceed to name not one single personal fallacy. Nice.

      No, I created the scenario, exactly as is, with the man not being at fault. You came in and posited that it must be his fault, somehow.

      Look, it's a fucking hypothetical scenario. It's not real. If you were making a purely hypothetical scenario, then fine, my contribution was pretty useless. But I have a feeling you intended to write a scenario which was in some way representative of reality.

      In my hypothetical where he isn't.

      Well, congratulations! He's not in yours. He is in mine. It's almost like these are hypothetical scenarios, where anything can happen.

      If you can't even accept my premise, how can any guy ever convince you of his situation in life?

      Hypothetical scenarios aren't reality. If I said "Hypothetically, I have a seventy foot tall dragon living in my backyard, and he likes to sing classic rock music," it'd be pretty fucking hard to convince you that's real. But if I actually brought you to my house, and you were treated to a performance of "Pinball Wizard" by an actual, real-life seventy foot dragon, you'd be convinced pretty fast.

      Empathy is something you feel simply because you can relate to someone else.

      People don't have to be able to relate to you. There's plenty of unrelateable people I feel no empathy towards.

      I have no words. I literally can't find a way to explain to you the ways in which this makes no sense.

      If you can't explain why somebody's wrong, it means you have no idea why you're right.

      [–]PemBaylissFire Engine Red 7ポイント8ポイント  (15子コメント)

      Some things are men's fault.

      Some things aren't men's fault.

      You cannot accept the premise that in the hypo, it wasn't Jim's fault. In your mind, it's ALWAYS the man's fault.

      You then descended into a diatribe about allegations about TRP supporting rape (bullshit) and all sorts of other mouth foaming things, without accepting one small, but important premise here.

      Sometimes it's not the guy's fault. Sometimes it really is the woman's fault.

      But you cannot accept that.

      [–]gaylooboil 3ポイント4ポイント  (11子コメント)

      This hypothetical is not about one individual's personal story. Jim is supposed to be an allegory for all "nice guys." Frank is the guy who gets the girl, and Bob is women in general. It is disingenuous to argue that someone who rejects this broad scenario that the only way to get a woman's attention is to be an unethical asshole, and that all these "nice guys" like Jim are just good, honest dudes, believes that men are always at fault in any situation with women. There are terrible women out there who hurt men. No one will deny that.

      Broadly, "nice guys" are at fault for their plight. They have always been misogynists who dehumanize women by viewing them as these infallible, ethereal goddesses who are operated by inserting 'nice" coins into. Once you guys figure out that yes, women can have flaws, and being a spineless brown noser is generally not attractive, you swap out this one delusion about women for another, and enter TRP.

      [–]PemBaylissFire Engine Red 1ポイント2ポイント  (10子コメント)

      "nice guy" strawman.

      Jim isn't a "nice guy". He's operating under the social contract he was told to operate under. You expect him to "just figure out" that he's being fucked over, with no help, education, or direction in that regard.

      Look. The fact is that you just don't believe there is ANY scenario under which the guy could not be at fault. You just don't believe there is ANY set of facts in which the man bears no responsibility. No matter what Jim does, it's his fault -- even if he doesn't know the facts and what's going on because he's never been told. Even if he doesn't know, it is his fault for not knowing.

      It's impossible even to talk to people like this.

      [–]gaylooboil 1ポイント2ポイント  (9子コメント)

      I'm sorry, I guess I should have just stroked your fee fees instead.of.over debate.

      Yes, dear, you nice guys were just good, honest, kind, maybe a bit awkward nice guys . No one every told you that females are unfair, shallow bitches who are incapable of logic, empathy, love, any real interests or hobbies of their own, who are basically only.good for their pussies, who only go for men who treat them like shit, because that is indeed reality. And every man who is successful with women is an abusive asshole.

      [–]PemBaylissFire Engine Red -1ポイント0ポイント  (8子コメント)

      The fact is you just don't like RP, won't accept anything RP says, and reject it out of hand because an RP offers it.

      You have no empathy. Thanks for your response.

      [–]gaylooboil 1ポイント2ポイント  (7子コメント)

      Because I disagree with you, I have no empathy? Oh Jesus Christ, dramatic much?

      [–]THeShinyHObbiestYOU CAN SIT BETWEEN THE BACKSEAT AND MY FLAIR 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

      I fully accept that it is sometimes the woman's fault. Hell, I've had friends in relationships with shitty women.

      [–]PemBaylissFire Engine Red 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Wow. Do your goalposts have wheels?

      The point is that in u/cyralea 's hypo, it was not Jim's fault.

      You can't accept that.

      [–]THeShinyHObbiestYOU CAN SIT BETWEEN THE BACKSEAT AND MY FLAIR 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I can accept that in his hypothetical scenario it is not Jim's fault.

      If that hypothetical scenario is supposed to represent the general case, then it's a failure as a scenario. But, as is, yes: it's not Jim's fault.

      [–]opiate_adventurer 4ポイント5ポイント  (5子コメント)

      The fact that you say that women are incapable of feeling empathy twoards men makes your whole stance kind of hard to take seriously. I'm sure that most women know what it feels like to feel unappreciated or unwanted at some point, but that doesn't mean they have to fuck someone they're not attracted to because of it.

      [–]CyraleaRedPill EC[S] 4ポイント5ポイント  (4子コメント)

      They don't have to fuck them, just understand what men are going though. Understand the negative ramifications of lying to men who aren't socially apt.

      It's hard to accept because you've never given it more than a cursory thought, but when has a woman ever truly empathized with a man that's socially inept? It doesn't happen.

      [–]THeShinyHObbiestYOU CAN SIT BETWEEN THE BACKSEAT AND MY FLAIR 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

      but when has a woman ever truly empathized with a man that's socially inept?

      I had a discussion with my sister the other day about a guy I know who's having a tough time with women. She said that she feels bad for him, because he's such a nice guy, but he just gets intimidated around somebody he likes and assumes the worst of everything.

      I'd call that empathy.

      [–]CyraleaRedPill EC[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Token words aren't empathy. You could say you feel bad for the homeless, while you walk by beggars on your way to a Michelin-rated restaurant. You could say you feel bad for the homeless, but it's all their fault they're on the street and you're not going to help them. Words are meaningless.

      Helping someone you see struggling is genuine empathy.

      [–]opiate_adventurer 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

      You're right, never in the history of the world has a women empathized with a man. You know how dumb that sounds? What are you even basing this off of? When I was younger and bad with girls I still had female friends with whom I could talk about my frustration with dating.

      [–]CyraleaRedPill EC[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

      For the autists: The overwhelming majority of women (95-99%) are incapable of empathy towards men. There are no biological or cultural motivators for it.

      [–]GridReXXProfessor Jigglypuff -1ポイント0ポイント  (3子コメント)

      You're a dude, yes, but your response is how nearly all women perceive weak men.

      [–]CyraleaRedPill EC[S] 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

      A lot of men are perfectly capable of empathizing with other, weaker men. The manosphere is the manifestation of that.

      [–]GridReXXProfessor Jigglypuff 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

      /u/Cyralea be honest. I've had TRPers themselves tell me that no one cares about weak men, especially other men.

      [–]CyraleaRedPill EC[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Yeah, most men don't care about weak men either, but some do.