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[–]SopwithStrutter 142ポイント143ポイント  (10子コメント)

I made the mistake of going to Walmart the other day, and I left saying to myself "yeah, most Iives don't matter"

[–]lawhottie [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

It is seriously a challenge to go to most Wal-Marts and keep your thoughts from straying to eugenics.

[–]RamaRamaswamy [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Is it bad that if I was in power I would do a purge? I guess this is why I'm not in power

[–]user_name456 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

one day, I will visit murica and experience this myself

[–]PorTroyal_Smith [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

And you will most likely be disappointed, because like most things it's just a meme Reddit has beat into the ground. It will probably look the same as going to any other large store with normal people shopping...

[–]Desecr8or 1729ポイント1730ポイント  (750子コメント)

"Do people who change #BlackLivesMatter to #AllLivesMatter run thru a cancer fundraiser going 'THERE ARE OTHER DISEASES TOO'?"

(From here)

EDIT: Wow, I just got gilded for posting someone else's tweet. Thanks!

[–]PannacottaArmy 827ポイント828ポイント  (65子コメント)

Seriously though, some cancers are massively overfunded compared to other diseases and even other cancers, based on the disease burden they inflict. It's a serious problem which skews research away from productive areas at the moment.

[–]Big_Kahuna_Burger94 168ポイント169ポイント  (29子コメント)

Can I just say that I love that you attached an academic paper to back up your statement.... we need more people like you haha

[–]lambtonia 81ポイント82ポイント  (26子コメント)

Did you read it?

[–]self_loathing_ham 175ポイント176ポイント  (10子コメント)

Aint nobody got time for that.

[–]intangible-tangerine 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

The 'background' section is only eight paragraphs and it gives a good overview of why incidence numbers alone aren't a good metric for making funding decisions.

[–]HornAndDrunky 18ポイント19ポイント  (5子コメント)

I have faith that somebody more productive than me read it and would've called him out if it was bullshit. Isn't that how sourcing works? /s

[–]ilove42 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

No but the URL was enough to confirm /u/pannacottaarmy 's statement.

[–]notdanieljones 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

I also like that an academic paper was attached. Although I did not read it, I said to myself, "hmm.. this guy knows what he's talking about."

[–]PastafarianT 29ポイント30ポイント  (14子コメント)

Breast Cancer vs Pancreatic Cancer...

[–]Duderamus 15ポイント16ポイント  (12子コメント)

If you get pancreatic, you may as well sign your toe-tag at this point. Poor Patrick Swayze, and Grandma! I miss them both so much.

[–]guinness_blaine [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Pancreatic fucking blows. Lost my grandpa to it as well.

[–]Lildrummerman 6ポイント7ポイント  (4子コメント)

I don't mean to undermind the death of your grams but I miss Patrick Swayze more than I miss your grandma. Unless she ripped a guys throat out with her bare hands. Then I miss her more.

[–]Duderamus [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

Sometimes I imagine my grandma sitting behind me at the pottery wheel, guiding my hands.

[–]Lildrummerman [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I'd like to imagine your grandma at the beach, heanduffed to Keanu Reeves as she begs him to let her catch this one last wave. He let's her and she surfs her way into valhalla.

[–]thatguy2366 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

The squeaky wheel gets the grease.

[–]yinyin123 15ポイント16ポイント  (2子コメント)

Wait, why are we even funding cancer at all? It's such a shitty thing, why are we helping it?

[–]dundeegimpgirl 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

Truth. Breast cancer is a prime example. Despite what they will have you believe breast cancer IS NOT the number one killer of women, it's not even the number 2 killer. The number 1 killer of women is HEART DISEASE and you NEVER hear about it.

But in all honest truth, ALL FUCKING LIVES MATTER God Dammit!!!

[–]gloomdoom 331ポイント332ポイント  (58子コメント)

"Do people who are pissed at #BlackLivesMatter look at "Save the Rain Forests and interpret that as "Fuck all the other forests in the world!"?

  • some famous guy's twitter post, I think the guard from Orange is the New Black.

[–]Entes 5ポイント6ポイント  (32子コメント)

Because if you have a logging company coming to destroy every type of forest and you only chant "Rain Forest lives matter" then you start to look a little racist.

[–]Jynx3 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

I prefer arboreal supremacist.

[–]Marimba_Ani 38ポイント39ポイント  (29子コメント)

But that's not actually what's going on. Look at the armed, white "Promise Keepers" in Ferguson. Imagine is some of the black protesters (or just black citizens) strolled around town kitted out like that.

Yeah. Exactly.

[–]TheMesch 25ポイント26ポイント  (5子コメント)

They're called "Oath Keepers." I heard an NPR report about them.

[–]xmod2 15ポイント16ポイント  (3子コメント)

Yeah I think promise keepers is a group of Christian dudes who promise not to cheat on their wives.

At first I was wondering what the fuck they were doing armed in Ferguson. Blue balls is a hell of a motivator I guess.

[–]Rub_Lowe 15ポイント16ポイント  (4子コメント)

Black folks do that in texas and nobody fucks with them. It's perfectly legal. Rather than assume, give it a try.

http://www.vice.com/read/huey-does-dallas-0000552-v22n1

[–]Jabawocky 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, look at them guarding all those businesses that the community would rather destroy while the whole time not hurting anyone. What assholes!

[–]RLsteinofbeer 35ポイント36ポイント  (17子コメント)

Hi everyone. I'm a 29 year old biracial (Asian/Hispanic) woman born and raised in a rough part Newark, NJ. I grew up with an extremely diverse group of friends, mostly black, hispanic and filipino. I'm engaged to a white guy who also grew up in the same neighborhood, we've been best friends since 2nd grade and we're a cute fucking couple.

I've been aware of race and racism all my life, I think because being this particular kind of biracial made me a target of fascination for many people growing up. Also, because I've never had a "camp", I've always felt like an outsider when it came to race. I feel like I have a unique view, not privileged enough to occupy the bubble most white people live in, but still privileged enough to not be continuously victimized by the systematic racism running rampant in the US. Thus I've always been put in the position to sort of "bridge the gap" of understanding between my white and POC acquaintances when and where I can.

Then I found Reddit. In the early 2000's it was a much better community. These past 2 years though...it feels like the place has been overrun with Stormfronters. Simple minded bigots who wanna twist their obvious racism into some kind of campaign for the new oppressed minority. Get the fuck out of here with that bullshit. Just because its 2015 and not as many people are laughing at your shitty gay/ethnic/woman jokes doesn't mean the country is becoming a fascist regime, it means you need to evolve or get the fuck out of the way.

What's been really jarring for me is the way the bullshit I see on Reddit is affecting the way I look at people in my real life. Mainly, white people. The assholes spreading this garbage on Reddit are not full blown klansmen or card carrying white nationalists. They're regular, unassuming people who are probably sweet as pie to my face when we're interacting in the wild, but probably spewing heinous propaganda about minorities online in their off time. Guys, I'm becoming so distrustful of white people that its becoming really uncomfortable for my personal life. I'm growing distant from people I used to get along great with at work, with every micro aggression I clock (not even toward me), or every lame joke that draws on a stereotype. I used to be able to brush that stuff aside and focus on their overall good qualities as people, but now I have to wonder if, say, that little benign joke is just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to what they really think.

I'm feeling increasingly uncomfortable around my fiancé's family for instance, who sometimes display that blue collar brand of casual racism that I used to be able to write off in favor of preserving my relationship with my fiancé, who absolutely doesn't think like them, but chooses to ignore certain things and keep the peace because he loves them as his only remaining family members (both his parents passed away when we were young).

Reddit, after 7 years of being active on it, has become a part of my daily routine, but I really hate how this shift in its ideology has me looking at people in my life with dwindling respect, not necessarily because they've become worse people, but because this two faced bullshit on Reddit has me assuming they have uglier views then they might let on.

I know these feelings might be par for the course for you ladies, so I'm wondering how you handle it. Mainly, I don't want these feelings to be the thread that ultimately unravels my 10 year relationship with my best friend.

[–]thimblyjoe [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It sounds like you're having more and more trouble separating the actions of people of a group from the actions of individual people in your life. Welcome to being a little bit racist. Just remember that for the most part, it's not malicious and we may not even notice that we're making you uncomfortable. I recommend assuming the best of people, because no matter what they'll say on the internet, not one of those people is actually going to take any action against you for racist reasons. And as you've hopefully noticed, being racist back at them won't fix the racism, it'll just make it worse.

[–]cscottaxp 157ポイント158ポイント  (298子コメント)

Saying "all lives matter" actually belittles the "black lives matter" movement.

It's not that ALL lives DON'T matter. It's that BLACK lives are being treated as lesser. It's nonsense to see this sort of thing all the time.

Now, to be fair, there are things happening with this movement that are of serious detriment to it. For example, the racist girls who took the mic at the health care rally that Bernie Sanders was asked to speak at. They sat there spouting off anti-white rhetoric for however long, which was pretty disheartening and damaging to the BLM movement.

But none of that means we should ignore the actual issues.

Edit: Here's a good explanation another person posted below.

When you say "black lives matter" and I say "all lives matter," I am agreeing with you. I guess I can see how it could be taken the wrong way... The following exchange, for example, is belittling:

Person 1: We want fair treatment!
Person 2: Everyone wants fair treatment. [i.e. "join the club."]

Or even worse:

Person 1: This isn't fair!
Person 2: Life isn't fair. [i.e. "get used to it"]

What you THINK you're saying is "I agree! All lives matter!" But what people are hearing is, "join the club, buddy! Life just isn't fair, so get over it!"

[–]keilwerth 175ポイント176ポイント  (186子コメント)

The movement belittles itself.

The only black lives that seem to matter are those shot by the police. Not the thousands killed in our cities. Not the overwhelming majority of those killed by other blacks.

This is less about the color black and more about the color blue.

[–]captainludwig 93ポイント94ポイント  (59子コメント)

Well, yeah? How does your point belittle the movement? People are more worried about the guys in blue because they are especially not supposed to be causing this kind of stuff. They are protected by layers of government and union rules which shield them from accountability. At least with non-police murders, it is relatively simple to convict and deter those crimes.

[–]MagicalSpaceHoney 45ポイント46ポイント  (3子コメント)

More so when you consider the history of the projects with the police not going there coming before the spikes in crime. Urban predominantly black neighborhoods turning into crime infested shit holes was a self fulfilling prophecy.

[–]bunk254 21ポイント22ポイント  (36子コメント)

So in a case like Michael Brown where he got himself killed, why aren't they educating the community to cooperate with police so they don't end up dead? Instead they blame officers when maybe 5% of the entire force are actual corrupt cops. Most agencies have adopted a community oriented policing strategy which only makes it easier for movements like this to talk to agencies and really get things moving in the right direction. Instead they choose to publicly crucify someone like Darren Wilson for defending his life against a criminal, then go and destroy their own city rioting. That to me belittles this whole movement.

[–]TouchDownBurrito 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

Relitivley simple

Do you remember a few years ago when the "Stop Snitching" movement was big?

I bet that really helped convict murderers.

[–]asdacdxfe 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

it is relatively simple to convict and deter those crimes.

Those tasked with accomplishing those feats would disagree. "Snitches get stitches."

[–]ThreekolaMirotic 13ポイント14ポイント  (1子コメント)

If it was relatively simple to convict and deter those crimes, why are they still happening with no end in sight?

The only time I ever see #blacklivesmatter is when a black person dies at the hands of law enforcement. In some cases, yes the police are definitely at fault but The BLM movement doesnt take guilt into account.

[–]themanbat 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

If this movement was truly about protecting life, they would be protesting against crime and criminals and not the police.

[–]frogswithwings 44ポイント45ポイント  (72子コメント)

That's the point though, when a cop kills someone it is the state killing them, not a criminal on the street, but a representative of the state, that is very different and exactly the point of the movement, you not understanding that doesn't belittle the movement it belittles you.

[–]CatboyMac 53ポイント54ポイント  (48子コメント)

I also love how every single initiative to combat black-on-black violence by black communities is completely ignored whenever this topic is brought up.

"Black people kill black people too!"

Woah, holy shit, shiver me timbers. Somebody call the president, we've got a major scoop here! All this time we've just been trying to make white people on the internet feel vaguely bad! If only we knew the harrowing situation right outside our doors!

[–]thatssoravenous 34ポイント35ポイント  (13子コメント)

The idea of "black on black crime" is a straw man. Of course black people kill black people more, we live in our communities...white people kill more white people, Hispanic Americans kill more Hispanic Americans...that concept is only used against black people to deter any narrative of victimization. Black people are the victims of state-sanctioned murder and mass incarceration. Period. We are and always have been the victims of violence at the hands of american law enforcement and the american judicial system. All we want is for that to finally end.

[–]Titan_Astraeus 22ポイント23ポイント  (2子コメント)

I always find it a little funny how many excuses people will throw around to invalidate the idea that black people or minorities in general are targeted, when there are still many people alive from a generation where it was legal and celebrated to string them from trees, beat, torture, torment, discriminate against, etc. We're not very far removed from some really dark times, this type of stuff doesn't just dissapear overnight, there are still proud and vocal racists.

[–]aeyamar [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

white people kill more white people

It can happen in pretty sick ways too. Sometimes a white person will just walk into a public place with a gun and start massacring other white people. Mass shooters particularly in school shootings are predominantly white.

[–]TheFilthiestCorndog [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

its not just that black people kill black people, its that 13% of the population is responsible for over 50% of the murders. As a white guy its hard for me to support any movement regarding this section of the population that is'nt dealing with this issue first. You want cops to stop picking on black people... that is a noble cause, but thats a bloody nose compared to the fucking broken spine of 13% pop cause 50% murders.

[–]whinemoreplease [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

are you joking? have you looked at the chicago crime stats? Here's a link in case you haven't: (2015) http://heyjackass.com/2015-murder-matrix/, (2014) http://heyjackass.com/murder-matrix/

In 2015 - Out of 28 identified assailants in black homicides, 27 were black and 1 was a cop. and the conditions for the homicide involving the cop are unknown. Similar numbers in 2014.

Black people are the victims of state-sanctioned murder and mass incarceration. Period. We are and always have been the victims of violence at the hands of american law enforcement and the american judicial system.

Yeah.......... the numbers say otherwise. The numbers say that you're overwhelmingly the victims of your black kinsmen.

Here's some interactive data for baltimore - http://data.baltimoresun.com/bing-maps/homicides/index.php?show_results=UPDATE+MAP&range=2015&district=all&zipcode=All&cause=all&age=all&gender=all&race=hispanic&article=all

Go ahead and choose between races - 180 black people have died in 2015, vs 8 white folk, 3 asians, and 1 hispanic.

read more http://allenbwest.com/2015/04/the-shocking-statistic-about-baltimore-everyone-is-afraid-to-mention/

[–]blgbird 22ポイント23ポイント  (21子コメント)

Just to clarify because you seem to miss the point of their protest. It's not that those killed by other blacks don't matter. Their point is that when a black person kills another black person, everybody agrees that the full weight of the justice system should hold them accountable and it does, even over-zealously at times. Now when it comes to police killing other black people, it seems to them like they just walk away from it. They are not held accountable from their point of view. For example if it wasn't for the videos most cops who were recently charged would have walked away without an issue. It's a problem of accountablity, especially because those that purport to protect them are the ones not being held accountable.

So to summarize their point, blacks who kill other blacks are held accountable, when caught. Cops killing other blacks are regularly not held accountable, even when caught. It's not a judgment on one killing mattering more than the other.

[–]RLsteinofbeer 15ポイント16ポイント  (20子コメント)

Cops who kill anyone seem to be less accountable. That isn't exclusive to black people so it really makes no sense. I'm just confused why this became a fucking race war of black vs white. I thought the point of the movement is black people being killed at higher rates by police. So why are subreddits such as r/blackladies so focused on 'white tears' and how this is white vs black when in reality it's blue vs black. I mean fuck every white guy I know supports increased police regulations but because we're white we're the bad guys?

[–]cscottaxp 3ポイント4ポイント  (11子コメント)

This is where people think they're coming from with the "all lives matter" retort. Unfortunately, it's not accomplishing the goal they think it is. It feels more like everyone is saying, "your campaign is irrelevant and your point is moot."

Like I said above, we really need a rebrand of the campaign overall.

[–]antnunoyallbettr [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

You are correct. The statement "black lives matter" is a simple fact to anyone who is not a raging racist, so the knee jerk response is "duh, no shit" (or "duh, all lives matter"). A re-branding that focuses specifically on the state's treatment of black people would do wonders as far as bridging the gap between cultures and would bring a butt ton more supporters for the movement imo.

[–]Flowah 16ポイント17ポイント  (13子コメント)

When blacks kill other blacks, no one expects the cops and justice system to cover up for the murderer.

When a cop kills a black person, that is absolutely the expectation. And not only that, it is far more heinous that a person charged with protecting you is doing those things than just some random from the streets.

But anything to deny the reality of rampant racism, amirite?

[–]Clearnews [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

'Black lives also matter' or 'black lives matter too'.

[–]chiggeybean 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

It is a shame it wasn't #blacklivesmattertoo from the beginning. I has much different, and applicable, meaning. The creator of the phrase has stated that the trailing "too" was always implied.

[–]Oni_Eyes 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I could definitely get behind the "too"

[–]karmassacre 6ポイント7ポイント  (10子コメント)

Do people who post #blacklivesmatter run through an AIDS fundraiser going 'CANCER NEEDS TREATING'?

As we've seen recently with Bernie Sanders, et al, the answer is unfortunately yes.

[–]SayAllenthing 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

No, in that analogy, having an AIDs fundraiser would be considered racist.

[–]tukutz 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Uh, no, it's more like going to a cancer fundraiser and asking for help for Pancreatic Cancer....

[–]SLE3PR 179ポイント180ポイント  (16子コメント)

America isn't asleep. We're just overrun with retards.

[–]grimreaperx2 44ポイント45ポイント  (8子コメント)

Extremely loud and annoying retards.

[–]Unevenflows 8ポイント9ポイント  (2子コメント)

Nancy. Grace.

[–]grimreaperx2 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

Ugh, she is on another level. Then again when you work to create views and hysteria to keep your viewers watching what do you expect? Journalism is a dead profession. People want to be entertained these days not educated. They don't wanna think, they rather have the people on TV do the "thinking" for them and then they go out regurgitate what they heard on TV.

[–]Dont_T_Me [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Which includes a lot of people on reddit... just saying

[–]Lifeweaver [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Been around the world and found That only stupid people are breeding The cretins cloning and feeding

[–]FullMetalCardigan 554ポイント555ポイント  (256子コメント)

People need to stop pretending there are no race issues in this county...

[–]Arkene 43ポイント44ポイント  (21子コメント)

people also need to stop thinking the way to solve those issues is through more racism.

[–]HeadCrusher3000 106ポイント107ポイント  (98子コメント)

People also need to stop pretending the largest, most violent group of criminals is the police.

[–]ricker182 242ポイント243ポイント  (62子コメント)

A lot of them are getting away with murder, even when it's on tape.
I think that's the problem.

[–]ocellot9119 22ポイント23ポイント  (14子コメント)

The problem is that this is easily changed through local legislature governing how the police are handled. Police brutality may be a national problem, but it is solved at the municipal level, yet no one cares enough to vote in those elections. You'll have a lot of folks making noise at a rally or on social media, but how many of them do you think know the local policy on police internal investigations or bother to vote with that issue in mind?

[–]ChocolateSunrise 26ポイント27ポイント  (10子コメント)

While it may be "easily changed" through local action, the reality is their is almost no political will to enact this change and in fact many localities the majority of voters don't seem to mind police abuse aimed at minorities as long as it stays off the front page.

[–]ComatoseSquirrel 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

Right, okay. Never mind that the police are authority figures charged with enforcing the law. Police committing crimes against people is a huge issue. They're not the most violent group in the country, but they're by far the most dangerous when violent.

[–]Solomaxwell6 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes, and it's particularly important because it destroys trust.

If you're a young black man and you witness or a victim of a crime, and you know that if you go to the police you'll be ignored at best or attacked at worst... would you still go? Improving police/minority relations will go a long way towards reducing crime.

[–]Milton_Friedman 12ポイント13ポイント  (2子コメント)

Also, some people need to stop pretending every issue is a race issue in this country...

[–]Z0idberg_MD 14ポイント15ポイント  (4子コメント)

Who is saying there aren't? But you don't solve race issues but creating more racial division. Why not use "all lives matter" as a slogan, and then march for black civil rights?

The problem with "black lives matter" is that it is conceding this inherent racial divide on a conceptual level: there are black lives, and there are white lives. I don't view the world this way. I am not saying that people of different races can't have better or worse draws in the world, but the need to help them, our empathy for them, should come due to their humanity, and not their race.

The bottom line, things like this, and even well-intentioned programs like affirmative action, actually do more harm than good in terms of bringing the different races together. They may improve a single life, and work on a single instance of an issue, but in terms of working on the dynamic? Imo, it makes things worse.

[–]Irenica87 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is a kind of philosophical argument that relies a lot of assumptions. I see your other comments and largely agree. However, I don't know if I would argue against the #BLM movement based on the fact that all lives matter. The "racial divide" already existed and blacks have been treated like their lives don't matter. The individual responsibilities is another discussion, but our society already established that idea.

Now the prediction part, standing up to say BLM may be exacerbating the racial divide. But it is also in opposition of an established idea. So, it's not in a vacuum, it's in response to something that already existed.

For instance, saying "white lives matter" is true. They do, but the context makes less sense. There isn't an establishment of them NOT mattering.

So if the argument against BLM is that it exacerbates the racial divide, I don't disagree with the possibility, but I think it makes a lot more sense than a movement of "all lives matter" in THIS context. They're talking about racism, so they talk about racism. Makes sense.

Another user summed where I'm coming from with: How trite. The reason for #blacklivesmatter is that it seems (to some) as if that doesn't go without saying. They aren't implying that only black lives matter, but are reminding people that black lives matter as well.

I'm not advocating for them, I'm pointing out that the hashtag-inspired movement isn't as racist as some would have you believe.

All that said, if someone is doing stupid shit they may want to be prepared to get their ass shot.

[–]cubanobay 23ポイント24ポイント  (5子コメント)

People need to stop pretending it's ok to get violent with police

[–]rondeline[🍰] [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Some police need to stop pretending it's OK to get violent with people, in particular, people of different skin tones. /r/bad_cop_no_donut

[–]tehspoke 17ポイント18ポイント  (17子コメント)

People need to stop pretending that the only thing that makes your life hard in America is your race.

[–]speedisavirus 14ポイント15ポイント  (24子コメント)

People are creating race issues like race baiting all of this shit that has been going on lately. Almost none of these people were shot by cops because they were black. They were shot because they were committing a crime and the officers felt either themselves or others were at risk.

[–]ClemsonNanu 11ポイント12ポイント  (54子コメント)

Just like people need to stop pretending there's some magical part of our planet where there are no race issues. Groups of people will always hate other groups of people for ridiculous reasons. It's what humans do.

[–]steamboat_willy 28ポイント29ポイント  (3子コメント)

I don't get it, are you saying we should just give up trying?

[–]SupaFurry 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Maybe we should just do nothing and let the market deal with it. Supply side race relations. /s

[–]PMmeYourNoodz 29ポイント30ポイント  (46子コメント)

There are a lot of places with far less severe race issues. Whats your point - some people are hateful so we should all just be cool with unlimited hate?

[–]abs159 25ポイント26ポイント  (38子コメント)

There are a lot of places with far less severe race issues

Where is that exactly? Tell me of somewhere that diversity works?

[–]otto3210 45ポイント46ポイント  (0子コメント)

#twittermatters /s

[–]Lamp11 156ポイント157ポイント  (17子コメント)

[–]SamTheGeek 18ポイント19ポイント  (2子コメント)

Good point, bad example. This is actually a completely normal firefighting technique – wherein you soak the houses around a burning one to prevent the fire from spreading.

Still, #blacklivesmatter

[–]miistahmojo 113ポイント114ポイント  (11子コメント)

"All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others."

George Orwell, Animal Farm

[–]bluexbirdiv [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I'm a little unsure of what you're trying to say here. Orwell was very obviously stating that a privileged elite could abuse the generally-desirable concept of equality to deprive others of their rights while pretending to be on their side. That doesn't seem like a terrible metaphor for #AllLivesMatter, but based on some of the other comments in this thread I'm nervous what you're actually suggesting is that black people are the pigs here, claiming greater equality for themselves. Which would be a pretty ridiculous misrepresentation of the whole thing. To put it in Animal Farm terms, black people are currently less equal and they would like to be equal equal, not more equal.

[–]kdubcdub 55ポイント56ポイント  (3子コメント)

Yikes! A quick search of the #wakeupamerica hashtag on the twitter yields some scary right-winged, fringe results.

[–]IMAROBOTLOL 18ポイント19ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not surprising that any hashtag starting with 'wake up' would be filled with conspiracy theory bullshit.

[–]Lynchie24 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Everything I read on Twitter involving politics is either so far right or so far left and it makes me sad that people are like that.

[–]Mulsanne 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

But reddit up votes the shit our of this because it hates this movement more than it gates right wing fringe ideals.

[–]TohkYuBong 84ポイント85ポイント  (18子コメント)

This NPR article about housing is a really interesting listen.

My grandpa put himself through college with the GI bill and got affordable housing, and was able to grow his wealth and put 5 kids through college. Now my family is upper-middle class.

If you listen to the whole interview, it should be apparent that if my grandfather was black, I certainly wouldn't be where I am today.

It's totally beyond me how anyone could say we don't still have a pretty massive racial divide, caused by or at least greatly exacerbated by systemic discrimination, disenfranchisement, and maltreatment.

100 years is not a huge timespan. My Great-Grandma is 100, and I can go talk to her right now. Yeah, yeah, we get it, #alllivesmatter and that's great, but if you think we don't need to focus on the black lives for awhile, I would encourage you to look further back for historical context than your own short lifespan. They've been fucked over pretty hard for a long time by our government and a big portion of their fellow citizens and the repercussions of all that shit are still being felt today.

[–]Capt_Kurk 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's important to note that every time poverty is turned into a racial issue the 1% is winning the debate. Divide and conquer. In reality there are people living in poverty of all races including a majority white.

[–]MileHighBarfly 44ポイント45ポイント  (19子コメント)

What is #wakeupamerica even supposed to mean?

[–]Coooturtle 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

Maybe the picture was meant to be posted at night in America when everyone is sleeping?

[–]Kidchico 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

We are all literally asleep so they are trying to wake us up with a sign v

[–]MileHighBarfly 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

zzzzzzzz .... zzzzzzz ....

[–]PMmeYourNoodz 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

something something sheeple?

[–]OKScottish 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's a hashtag Fox News host Eric Bolling uses for his morning show Cashin' In.

[–]dave_finkle 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think at this point everyone agrees that there are problems with police brutality. We've seen videos of all races of cops committing acts of unnecessary violence against people of all races. Instead of focusing on the races of the victims, let's focus on the problem, which is that there needs to be a change in training or approach by police. It can be argued that the higher rate of incarceration of one race over another is racism, but based on the statistics I've seen below, it seems that people being killed by cops are about in line with the rate of incarceration or arrest for each race, which means the real problem is police brutality across the board, not police being more brutal in the way they handle one race compared to another (outside of the fact that they are arresting members of some races more than others, despite similar drug usage statistics and the like). So, when we talk about how people are being arrested, yes there needs an overhaul because it seems race is playing a role, but when we talk about police brutality, they seem to beating the shit out of everyone equally.

[–]_Zuckuss_ [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I think black lives matter is a good cause with a horrible name and terrible event planning

[–]Beelzabubba 323ポイント324ポイント  (198子コメント)

How trite. The reason for #blacklivesmatter is that it seems (to some) as if that doesn't go without saying. They aren't implying that only black lives matter, but are reminding people that black lives matter as well.

I'm not advocating for them, I'm pointing out that the hashtag-inspired movement isn't as racist as some would have you believe.

All that said, if someone is doing stupid shit they may want to be prepared to get their ass shot.

[–]GottlobFrege 52ポイント53ポイント  (18子コメント)

The problem is it started with the Michael Brown shooting (first it was "hands up don't shoot")

But the autopsy showed gunpowder on his hand, corroborating the police story that there was a struggle for the gun. And there were bullet wounds on the top of his head and his arm such that he must have been shot charging forward running at the cop and not with his hands up. Blood splatter forensic evidence confirms this as well. Eye witnesses reported this as well but insisted on remaining anonymous. There was also a very high amount of marijuana in his system which may have made him paranoid.

[–]CertifiedWebNinja 17ポイント18ポイント  (6子コメント)

Love that you're being downvoted for not following the masses and actually understand that Michael Brown was a scumbag. And the fact that 4 out of 5 Ferguson citizens are wanted by police for their crimes in the riots and that since, shows that whole situation is fucked and not in "things need to change" kind of way.

[–]smellslikegelfling 7ポイント8ポイント  (4子コメント)

Just like how the Watts riots began with a black man being arrested for DUI. "How dare you catch one of us breaking the law, now we're gonna loot and destroy city", Is not the right way to start a civil rights movement.

They could have used one of the many actual cases where excessive force or racial profiling ended in the death of a black person, instead of championing a low life street thug and pretending he was innocent.

[–]fade_like_a_sigh 68ポイント69ポイント  (24子コメント)

Social studies have shown that any time you form an organisation or movement around one specific group of people, it predisposes followers to alienate anyone not in that group, going back to tribal instincts. "My group is good, people not in my group are bad".

In this case, this would suggest Black Lives Matter is doing far more to champion racist black people than it is to advance the cause. The same is true of feminism and men's rights activism where people who subscribe to one belief almost always discriminate against the other.

If you want to make an equality movement, it has to be about equality. Targeting it on advancing the rights of any one specific group creates a discriminatory environment that does exactly what Black Lives Matter has been doing. I don't know of any good that group has done so far, but I've seen plenty of examples of its members being racist and making themselves and the group as a whole look like fools.

[–]boxofcookies101 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Tbh additing a too to the end of that hashtag would disperse any of the alienation. Better fit the agenda of being a victim and evoke sympathy from the masses.

[–]Germandexter 81ポイント82ポイント  (80子コメント)

The movement is not racist,some of the black people clearly are. Check how this hashtag is used on twitter and you will find plenty of examples of African Americans spreading their hatred against whites. In my opinion, we have,again, a split up between very radical Black Panther-supporters and those following the peaceful MLK-way. The only difference is: via social media those radicals are louder than anyone else. This process even got that far that white people, who support the BlackLivesMatter-movement are rejected and being yelled at. If you fight to make people treat you equally no matter your skin color,while you yourself treat people of a certain color like shit,then you are a goddamn hypocrite.

[–]Magsays 38ポイント39ポイント  (73子コメント)

There are white racists, I'm not surprised that there are black racists as well. The point is we shouldn't let the minority cloud our judgments of the majority of people in the movement who just want equality and justice.

Edit: wording

[–]butterflykisses88 15ポイント16ポイント  (61子コメント)

Unfortunately, since no apologies have been given for the loud, radical ones, the movement as a whole seems to be losing credibility for a lot of people.

[–]DamnHellAssKings 47ポイント48ポイント  (14子コメント)

Who would you expect to give the apology for the loud, radical ones? As a white guy, I don't feel the need to make an apology every time another white person does something racist.

[–]butterflykisses88 19ポイント20ポイント  (8子コメント)

Since the women who interrupted Sanders stated they were part of the BLM movement, and since they were so outwardly rude, I expected the official Twitter or website of the group to write something to the extent of "we weren't associated with this and do not accept members of our group to call any race names" or something to that effect.

But they didn't. they just rolled with it and allowed it to represent them.

RANDOM black people don't have to apologise. The group did.

[–]Random832 18ポイント19ポイント  (4子コメント)

It's not a real group, it's a hash tag. Just like gamergate.

[–]butterflykisses88 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well, that's odd because their official Twitter the other day read that no apology has been issued nor have they asked for any apology. They also stated that they have not yet officially and publicly supported any presidential candidate.

It sort of sounds like a real group..... Or at least a movement that people are officially behind and working towards getting noticed.

But maybe im missing something.

[–]Quietlike 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

Van Jones, a prominent and well connected activist, wrote an article for cnn defending the BLM protesters, saying that Beenie Sanders represents "trickle down" justice, which was really just an eloquent way of saying that he doesn't think it's about race, but class, and BLM disagrees.

Fuck Van Jones, and fuck BLM.

I remember reading articles where Van talked about the green jobs revolution and then realized that despite being paid to speak on the subject, he had never so much as installed a solar panel himself.

[–]speedisavirus 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

BLM disagrees

Then BLM is retarded and racist trying to make it a race issue when it isn't one.

[–]that_baddest_dude 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

I would if they were doing so in the name of a political movement I was apart of.

Do you think earnest, level-headed conservatives don't feel the need to apologize for the radical, bible-thumping crazies that share the movement?

[–]Rub_Lowe 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't care what color you are. You come up into my face shouting anything and I'm going to assault you with my spittle.

[–]speedisavirus 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

They aren't implying that only black lives matter, but are reminding people that black lives matter as well

Then go to the source of the problem. Hint, its not police. Its other young black men killing young black men. Baltimore has over 200 murders so far this year of which some 98% are black on black.

[–]monkeiboi 17ポイント18ポイント  (6子コメント)

Then the movement should have been #blacklivesmattertoo

[–]igotbannedforthisb4 11ポイント12ポイント  (3子コメント)

slogans that need to be explained are fucking great for getting your message across.

[–]spaghetti_taco 8ポイント9ポイント  (2子コメント)

As a white person who isn't a racist let me tell you how condescending it sounds that you need to remind me that black people's lives matter. I seriously cannot roll my eyes hard enough and say "no shit" loud enough.

[–]Major909 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well then use "#blacklivesmattertoo"

[–]combatjellyfish 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

They aren't implying that only black lives matter, but are reminding people that black lives matter as well.

you need to talk with some black lives matter protesters and remind them that this is what it's for.And while you're at it, remind the feminists that #killallmen was a thing and it's not helping breed equality

[–]FakeAccount7 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

it seems (to some) as if that doesn't go without saying

I think the backlash from people saying it's alienating is a really good example of why that assumption is wrong. So many people's first reaction is "everyone matters" because the vast, vast majority of people think that it does go without saying.

To mirror your sentiment, I'm not advocating for anyone either. Personally, I'm a See-Through American. #invisiblelivesmatter

[–]codesign 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Burl Ives Matters

[–]RainyReese 19ポイント20ポイント  (8子コメント)

This entire BLM/ALM campaigning has turned into nothing but dramatic shit promoting racism instead of trying to dissolve it.

[–]brojangles 124ポイント125ポイント  (15子コメント)

Really trite and misses the point completely.

[–]ThatZBear 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

You can't just extinguish fires. #FiresLivesMatter

[–]squeezyphresh 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think everyone is over analyzing these stupid social media hashes and people need to stop trying to sum up everything they want to say in a phrase and some pictures. People need to speak their damn minds and stop relying on social media to change people. If people stopped running around saying "______ lives matter," and used their energy to say something with some substance then people wouldn't be getting pissy with each other over something trivial.

[–]bottlez14 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Of course the white guy is holding the sign #wakeupamerica

[–]XelNigma 44ポイント45ポイント  (55子コメント)

Based on these comments its racist to not be racist and its not racist to be racist. Am I understanding this right?

[–]Seankps 13ポイント14ポイント  (19子コメント)

The idea isn't that "Only black lives matter". It's that "black lives don't-not matter". When they are shot and merely considered a statistic it's like their deaths don't matter. The fact that people are so threatened by this idea is concerning

[–]craftbrewbeerbelly 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

Except they're not being relegated to mere statistics. The only shootings that get any meaningful media attention are white police shooting black youths. Black people only make up a quarter of police shooting victims and while that is disproportionate in relation to population it is the other 75% of shooting victims that rarely get more than local media attention that are being relegated to mere statistics. Which is why the focus should be on fixing a broken police system and not just making sure that one race doesn't get hassled by the police anymore.

[–]ASK-IF-I-AM-PAULRUDD 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

The problem is when a white man is the victim the chance the cop will face some punishment is significantly higher. We need to fix both our police and judicial system to get rid of this problem.

[–]altkarlsbad 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Kudos for pointing out that police brutality is the for-sure item that needs to be fixed. Blacks are taking more of that brutality by far than whites, thus the hashtag. But yeah, instead of #alllivesmatter, a better hash response might have been #nomorebrutality

[–]IAMA_BAD_MAN_AMA 24ポイント25ポイント  (32子コメント)

It's simple - if you're white, you're racist, even if you're not.

[–]HazMat68W 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

If you white, you Ben Affleck

[–]ConorPF 4ポイント5ポイント  (28子コメント)

No, clearly the message of this thread is that if you're for diversity or in any way supportive of black people you're racist against whites, sonny.

[–]gm4 15ポイント16ポイント  (2子コメント)

I'm keeping r/pics unblocked just to see how much shittier it gets, this might be the worst post I've ever seen

[–]jpsyence 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

In America only money matters.

[–]aenima1991 50ポイント51ポイント  (35子コメント)

i get their point, but they are missing the point of #blacklivesmatter

[–]spitfire690 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I was just thinking the other day about when we're going to stop saying gay/womens/black/etc rights and just say human rights.

[–]Bearclawmen [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Ok, everyone's going to downvote me to hell but listen: #BlackLivesmatter doesnt mean others don't, but obviously there's context to it. Black people, like or not, are not in a position of power. Whites still are in a system of power that benefits them. Playing the strawman and saying All Lives matter doesn't tackle an issue of prejudice and race issues in America. /endrant (ps. I'm not black)

[–]Darktidemage 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't really think most peoples lives matter.

[–]I_Am_Dancing_GROOT 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

But them Indians they don't matter just the land

  • I'm native and I approve this message

[–]LookandLearn23 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

The point I think people are trying to make is not that Black culture isn't at the center of the issue today, but this is an issue about everyone for a better tomorrow. And all we see anymore is people complaining that black lives matter. Yeah, we know. People are important and we need to stop letting them die at the hands of the people we entrust as a society to protect us. But stop whining about it and saying our country is terrible, and start proactively trying to make change.

This past week all anyone says is that the lives matters people are assholes. Fine, maybe they are but they are still bringing attention and controversy to a subject that needs to be addressed. Not whined about.

I for one believe if each state would lobby for body cams to be on officers at all times we would see huge drops in incident rates. Forced accountability is a good thing when almost every other cop-citizen encounter becomes a matter of he said - she said. I

What do you think we should do about it? We all know the problem and where it is exacerbated most.

[–]powpowbang [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It's true, "All Lives Matter." If you agree with anything else, or even support or stand for any movement supporting one group of people and the inequality of it, you probably have some issues to take care of. Always "All."

EDIT... Messed Up equality part, but fixed now

[–]janus_marine [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I wish I got to sleep 1/2 as much as strangers tell me to "Wake up"

[–]wowy-lied 15ポイント16ポイント  (15子コメント)

I think people would take this kind o thing more seriously if people of the BLM stopped acting like cunt.

[–]theonewhoknocks1551 6ポイント7ポイント  (6子コメント)

The term "black lives matter" has been proven to be a massively stupid, poorly thought-out rallying call. It has become an unecessarily destructive and divisive force in the anti-racist community, regardless of its original intent.

Police brutality is a cancer that affects men and women of all races yet the BLM movement makes it seem like it is inherently a black issue. Hispanics suffer a very similar types of persecution but BLM only deals with the black side of it. Even if the hispanic side is identical.

The most universal factor in modern descrimination and persecution is poverty.

[–]genericusername123 11ポイント12ポイント  (11子コメント)

All it needed was the hashtag #blacklivesmattertoo and it wouldn't need clarification.

[–]blueguy2 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Nah. People would still find ways to dismiss it and belittle the struggle that blacks face in America. Americans have been doing it for century's. Times will change, but one things for certain. Americans will always be vile anti-black racists.

[–]ze_ben [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

aaand not one of those guys is black #notsurprised

[–]justinsayin 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Does it concern anyone else that all the lettering was done in Photoshop?

It would have been weird to be one of these guys, holding whatever sign they were actually holding, and this morning you find yourself supporting a totally different cause.

[–]speedisavirus 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

Exactly. And black lives only matter when a white cop takes them. Where are my riots for the 200+ black lives lost in Baltimore so far this year that had nothing to do with cops or white people. #blacklivesmatteronlyifkilledbywhitecopandnooneelse

[–]GoogleOpenLetter 12ポイント13ポイント  (23子コメント)

Everyone knows all lives matter. The problem is that there is a specific problem for black people (and to a slightly lesser extent Hispanic).

If you say "all lives matter" you are ignoring the fact that THERE ARE DIFFERENCES in the way the black community is treated.

[–]filwit 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

If you say "all lives matter" you are ignoring the fact that THERE ARE DIFFERENCES in the way the black community is treated.

Sure, and I would actually like to see hard numbers here.. but if we can admit that groups are statistically likely to be treated a certain way, we can also admit groups are statistically likely to behave a certain way as well, right?

If your job is to enforce law, which implies your life in danger regularly from others you interact with, and there's one group that gives you more problems and (statistically speaking) acts out violently more often.. don't you think you would be quicker to respond in protecting yourself when dealing with members of that group? Just saying.. put yourself in their shoes. Sometimes life or death is decided by split-second reactions and most people are going to choose their own life and react on instinct when they feel threatened.

Now, again, I don't know the real numbers. This is all just hypothetical, and perhaps my projections are completely wrong. I'm not trying to offend anyone or state unfounded generalizations as objective truths.. but if the numbers really did support it, we shouldn't be afraid to acknowledge truth, no matter how uncomfortable. For instance, I've been told men are convicted of violent crimes much more often than women.. should we conclude that the system is sexist or that men are inherently more violent? The real answer is probably a bit of both, sure, but mostly it's that men are more violent by nature.. I can admit that even if it's a bit uncomfortable (being a man).

[–]A_Supreme_Taco 41ポイント42ポイント  (5子コメント)

(and to a slightly lesser extent Hispanic).

Fuck you! Motherfuckers always trying to lessen other people's struggles in order to win some sort of "injustice grand prix".

[–]captainludwig 11ポイント12ポイント  (4子コメント)

Except there are tons of cases of white people being randomly shot by police who were clearly non-violent at the time or not resisting at all. They are just not publicized as much.

And before you show me a statistic where black people are shot more than whites - yes of course a demographic with a higher crime rate is going to be affected more by it. They are still being treated similarly for similar behaviors.

[–]rdmf [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

You need to consider why black people tend to have higher crime rates. They are still feeling the effects from the historical racial oppression in America, such as higher rates of poverty, worse education, higher unemployment, etc. which is all linked to higher crime rates. These are problems that were caused by white supremacy, and now black people are being punished and even murdered for them, and blamed for not sorting it out themselves.

[–]cubanobay 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

sounds like you're ignoring the fact that most of the people killed are fucking asking for it. As a "privileged white man" I can tell you I was told by my dad a long time ago not to give the police a hard time, keep your hands in plain sight, don't talk back, say "yes sir" and "no sir"

The problem is that there is a specific problem for black people (and to a slightly lesser extent Hispanic).

Yeah, that's not true, I know plenty of black people and plenty of black police that get along just fine. Hispanics too, y'all are fucking stupid.

[–]Drakolore 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

The sad thing is that the most basic difference is in how the community treats itself. If someone does not act like a thug or tries to be accomplished in a non-inner city way (rap, basketball, ect..) then they are called a traitor or an oreo. It is this community mentality of holding up being a hood or ghetto as the gold standard of blackness.

That is as inane as making trailer trash the gold standard for whiteness.

[–]SeanLFC 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

StopKillingEachOtherYouDumbCunts would be a good campaign for a lot of the issues.

[–]nocontroll 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

If you take away the signs this looks like the beginning of a terrifying Dr. Who episode.

[–]davvok 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

#EverythingMatters #NothingMatters