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[2015-08-13] IP Blocks (self.ChillingEffects)

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This week, Reddit received valid legal requests from Germany and Russia requesting the takedown of content that violated local law. As a result, /r/watchpeopledie was blocked from German IPs, and a post in /r/rudrugs was blocked from Russian IP's in order to preserve the existence of reddit in those regions. We want to ensure our services are available to users everywhere, but if we receive a valid request from an authorized entity, we reserve the right to restrict content in a particular country. We will work to find ways to make this process more transparent and streamlined as Reddit continues to grow globally.

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[–]antipositive 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

What defines a "valid legal request" from Germany? Were those requests by government authorities, law firms or another entity?

[–]farbenwvnder 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Was really hoping for more info on the german one. You don't operate in Germany, you don't have to take down sites for them. If they want it they'll have to do it themselves like Russia threatened and eventually did for a short bit. Only Germany wouldn't block entire reddit over this

[–]MrEManFTW 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

What happens when Russia wants to ban any of the "Gay Propaganda" subs?

[–]IAmAnAnonymousCoward 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

They will be blocked. Next question!

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[–]IamTheBeardedOne 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

So...essentially if other governments step in and make similar requests, Reddit becomes a different website for different countries. At what point do we no longer have 1 Reddit website, but many versions of Reddit, each one with it's own flavor (Reddit RU, Reddit US, Reddit BR)?

It just seems like this is the start of a very slippery slope, and it's going to get a lot uglier before all is said and done.

[–]maripool 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

As a result, /r/watchpeopledie was blocked from German IPs ..... in order to preserve the existence of reddit in those regions.

Germany does not ban any websites. And reddit has no offices in the EU - unlike Google or Facebook - , right? So why care?

The most to happen would be that Germany would ask Google to de-list reddit from its search results.

[–]awrf 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

thank you for the openness. I imagine it is very difficult to make these decisions between having to censor material or having the service be completely unavailable.

[–]IAmAnAnonymousCoward 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm really surprised the Germans went after /r/watchpeopledie first and not some Nazi stuff, but likely that's just the beginning.

[–]ImAKidImASquid 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Or just allow them to block it themselves...

[–]vbde 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Were these requests for the whole subreddit or just a specific post?

If they were for just one post, that would mean you would also ban / ip block /r/funny, /r/all/, /r/whatelsesomelegislationrequests, for just one post...

[–]Streichholzschachtel 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

In Germany the whole /r/watchpeopledie subreddit is not reachable.

This is what it looks like for us.

[–]vbde 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I am also German.

The question for me is if a subreddit gets censored / blocked because of one post or of the ideas that it represents.

[–]T_Dumbsford 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Can I ask what "local laws" /r/watchpeopledie violated in Germany?

[–]Klathmon 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Why was an entire sub blocked in one case, and just a post in another?

[–]maripool -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Because we Germans like our censorship efficiently. /s

[–]matrisylva 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Would be interesting to know on which grounds /r/watchpeopledie was banned. Was it requested by the Bundesprüfstelle für jugendgefährdende Medien (BPjM)?

[–]internetperson0180 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yo reddit you don't have to comply with any demands from the german government because they can't block the site like the russians did

[–]IMissSplashyPants 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Shameful.

http://bits.are.notabug.com

http://blogoscoped.com/archive/2007-05-07-n78.html

Were you surprised when Google announced they enter China, with all the censorship compromises that brings?

Yes, I think it was quite disappointing. I wasn’t as surprised as many commentators, but I wasn’t very happy about it.

The old Google would have said “We don’t compromise on free speech” and started investing in software like Tor so that people in China could reach whatever web sites they pleased.

Now they’ve also added a self-censored Google Maps search, image search, books search and so on... and the censorship in some of these is very implicit (e.g. they don’t even add international publishers to the book search on Google.cn). What do you think is the right reaction from people to online censorship?

I think all censorship should be deplored. My position is that bits are not a bug – that we should create communications technologies that allow people to send whatever they like to each other. And when people put their thumbs on the scale and try to say what can and can’t be sent, we should fight back – both politically through protest and technologically through software like Tor. (Tor is a program that allows for completely anonymous Internet use, by routing your traffic through dozens of other machines.)

But most technology makers today seem to go a different route. They compromise, and they might defend this compromise by saying it will bring greater freedom in the long run. What do you say to this argument?

How is compromising supposed to bring greater freedom in the long run? That’s like saying “I’m going to beat you up now so that you don’t have to be hit as much in the long run.” The right answer is to stop beating people up.