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[–]ThePussyCartel 104ポイント105ポイント  (0子コメント)

The wedding of pointless misogyny and actively contributing to the problem in question (parasuicide is widely mocked by people like our MRA winner here, but is actually an extremely strong indicator that the person will eventually successfully commit suicide) makes this the absolute perfect image to sum up the MRM. Excellent choice.

[–]T3canolis 67ポイント68ポイント  (13子コメント)

I can't even imagining reading that if I were a survivor of a suicide attempt. Sometimes Reddit isn't just stupid and closeminded, but downright despicable.

[–]treebog[S] 62ポイント63ポイント  (3子コメント)

It is hard to even joke about this, /r/mensrights is seriously one of the most disgusting subs on reddit. I have so many examples of people saying shit like this.

[–]Sailor_mini_moon 18ポイント19ポイント  (0子コメント)

Me too, there was actually a post titled this recently. They spend it all mocking women who attempt suicide. That sub is extremely hateful.

[–]fukreddit_admin 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's a big reason reddit ended up being what reddit is today, and I mean that in the worst way. Its influence has waned as TRP has taken its thunder and people have by and large shifted to a more feminist direction on reddit in reaction to TRP, but the base hostility against feminism which has mutated "the SJWs" owes a lot to mensright's domination of the early reddit narrative on gender issues.

[–]AusOffroader 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

They abuse rape victoms and people who have attempted suicide. At this stage I'd say they are well beyond dispicable.

[–]HKizzle 17ポイント18ポイント  (5子コメント)

My girlfriend is a survivor and I'm pretty sure this would be a trigger, I'm glad she wasn't around when I opened this. I hope no survivor accidentally reads this.

Personal depression experiences are hard enough to talk about between two trusting partners, let alone others. Assholes like this are ruining progress that can be made.

[–]Zonr_0 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

Speaking from experience, it's a gut punch when somebody who you think is absolutely wonderful tells you that they're a survivor. It's a difficult thing to talk about, especially if the other partner doesn't have experience with depression themselves. I'm livid just reading this, I can't imagine what somebody who went through it themselves would feel.

[–]HKizzle 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

It breaks my heart every time I hear about it, but I'm proud of her for being here with me today.

[–]muffinssi 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

I almost became one (I chickened out, didn't actually attempt) and I always get a huge sting of fuilt when I read this stuff :(

[–]Lolita_Humbert 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Aw man, I really hope you're doing better now... if not, please, please keep /r/suicidewatch as a bookmark. Hide it somehow, but keep it nearby. Also, add a suicide hotline on your phone as a favorite contact if you feel like you could be thinking about committing suicide soon.

[–]HKizzle 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm still getting used to dealing with these types of issues, so please excuse me if what I say makes no sense or displeases you in any way, I mean no harm.

But I'm glad you're here today to share your life experiences, because even just talking about these issues with people who care can help not only your self but others who may see it. You're able to leave a positive impact on those around you both here and irl.

Thanks for sharing, and I hope things are better now.

[–]dibblah 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

I guess I'm one. It's been 8 years or so so I guess it doesn't sting so much. I chose an incredibly stupid way to attempt, but I really wasn't thinking straight so no wonder I didn't get the "best" method. And thank goodness I didn't. I did nearly die and my health is messed up still now but yeah, I guess I just wanted attention. Glad they cleared that up for me.

There's a thing on reddit where suicide is actually supported in a lot of cases. It's an extension of the whole "free speech" bull. That if someone chooses to die they should be able to. People really believe that those committing suicide have logically (lol) planned it out and know exactly what they're doing and certainly never would regret it because, you know, free choice. I've known a few people who killed themselves and having attempted it myself...its not like that. It's not some sort of logical end to existence. It's not clean or clever or anything. It's desperate and sad and horrible and I hate the attitude here about it.

[–]WorseThanHipster 61ポイント62ポイント  (2子コメント)

Oh ffs. Yeah, men would never be whiney and manipulative :/

And where did he get his 'data'? This has been explained by differences in the methods chosen. Women tend to go chemical, men tend to go with guns because they have familiarity and access to them more often. But within each method, the success rates are pretty equal. Drug overdoses just fail the most because of the time available for intervention.

[–]InsanelyIncredibly 43ポイント44ポイント  (1子コメント)

get his 'data'

Actual Statistical Statistics. Or in short: ASS.

[–]Joff_Mengum 30ポイント31ポイント  (4子コメント)

"Let me tell you about how the differences in male suicide rates show that men have it worse than women and are also better than them."

[–]kareemabduljabbq 13ポイント14ポイント  (3子コメント)

Men have higher suicide rates because they know how to get the job done and aren't just whining like Women. Also, did I mention that higher male suicide rates are a reason we need a Men's Rights Movement. Also, somehow, feminism caused thistm /s

[–]poopcornkernels 24ポイント25ポイント  (2子コメント)

Oh. My. God.

I cannot with this anymore. YES, PEOPLE THREATENING SUICIDE ARE ATTENTION SEEKING. THAT IS THE POINT. I'm not talking about the "if you dump me I'll kill myself" threats, I'm talking about someone who maybe takes a handful of pills and then calls a friend or family member for help because they're scared. Anytime something about that documentary The Bridge gets posted there is a discussion of how many survivors regretted their actions and wanted to live and it's accepted. Why is it so hard to believe someone would regret their actions and panic about dying?! Even if you want to die it's still an insanely horrifying and scary concept mixed with a lot of unknown.

Suicidal/depressed people often (in fact I'd say more often than not) do not want to die. They feel hopeless and that death is their only choice. So YES, once again, SUICIDAL THREATS ARE ABSOLUTELY ATTENTION SEEKING. They want someone to give them a reason to live. They want help. They want to know someone cares. It is not a healthy course of action but these people are not healthy, they are mentally ill. That's what depression does to your brain. It doesn't make you sad, it screws up your entire cognitive abilities. You cannot think normally anymore. That's why people saying "snap out of it" don't understand. Even if logically you know you are being irrational or depressed or anything else, your brain is sick and it tricks you. Let me repeat this: your brain is sick and does not work properly. Someone with heart disease cannot will their heart to work. If your appendix is bursting you don't get told to suck it up and ignore it until everything magically resolves itself. You need a medical intervention. Suicidal threats are the same situation, they need a medical intervention.

I have sat and told many people to their faces I wanted to die and think about killing myself every day. Do you know what it feels like to be ignored? The worst possible feeling you can imagine. It cuts so painfully deep that now your broken brain exists with a scarred heart. MANY times I thought to myself "well they don't believe me so now I will kill myself to spite them." It's so wrong and evil but after hearing allllllll the time how selfish suicides are it made me disgusted, bitter and angry.

I don't want to die. I hold on because a teeny-tiny piece inside of me thinks maybe I have something to offer the world. No one else has done anything for me. My family doesn't care, the therapists I've seen didn't do anything, I was even brought into a mental facility for an involuntary hold (baker acted). None of it did anything and they were all fairly honest they did nothing and would do nothing. So honestly anyone who says things like this guy can eat a bag of dicks.

This entire line of thinking is why this world is so effed up to begin with. Every time there's some mass shooting all we hear is "THEYRE MENTALLY ILL" but no one does a single thing about it. Instead we get to read garbage like this loser is spewing and how horrible and draining people with mental illness are. Yeah, WE KNOW! We are all asking for help. I honestly 1000000% believe that if we took this seriously and started early interventions on children showing troubling behaviors we could severely reduce the amount of violent acts, homeless, people in prison/jail, suicides, abuse, sexual deviancy... the list goes on. BETTER MENTAL HEALTH CARE IS THE TICKET TO A BETTER WORLD. You know what's not? Ignoring the people who are aware enough to realize they need help and ask for it. I am truly disgusted that these people are shunned for doing EXACTLY WHAT THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO DO. "If you need help, ask for it" is a lie apparently. Ask for help and get called attention seeking. Cool. Makes a lot of sense.

I know this is already tl;dr but I'm passionate and I'm angry and I'm ready to lead a crusade if someone would let me. I'm so sick of seeing so much misinformation on mental health. Like this dummy, no one has any idea what they're talking about but all like to pretend they're experts on the subject or just like to pretend it doesn't exist at all. That hasn't worked guys. Things are getting worse and will continue to do so until this is taken seriously.

To anyone out there who read this far, please take suicidal threats seriously. Yes, I am aware many people will fake a threat to manipulate or """gain attention""" but it's not worth losing another life over. You really don't know how people are struggling, you can never know and it is incredibly unfair to invalidate someone's feelings based on how you just happen to perceive them. Some people are masters at hiding it, others are closed off, some just angry. Listen, relate, understand, empathize, help. Anything less than that is another nail in the coffin.

[–]IntermittentSanity 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thank you!

This is exactly how I feel but I've never managed to express it this well.

I don't want to die, but my brain is malfunctioning and I want someone to please fix it, not to die.

I'm getting help atm, and it really means the world when someone listens to me and takes it serous without freaking out.

[–]nein_danke 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

There is a crisis text service and it is free. I hope it helps.

http://www.dailydot.com/lifestyle/crisis-text-line/

[–]RYCBAR 37ポイント38ポイント  (0子コメント)

ORRRRRR society and toxic masculinity place such emphasis on men being strong and decisive and women being beautiful that men tend to choose far more violent methods of suicide, which are far more likely to succeed.

But nah, probably just the evil attention seeking women trying to manipulate you. That makes sense

[–]scrape 38ポイント39ポイント  (1子コメント)

<sigh> As a man, I totally hate the drama that women bring when they try to kill themselves. <closing sigh>

EDIT: I had a friend try to kill himself several weeks ago. After his failure , he had the attitude that he was a fuckup and less of a man. I am black in a very white town and he is one of my only black friends. i was pissed by his attitude. I told him, WHAT THE FUCK AM I SUPPOSED TO DO WITHOUT MY ONLY BLACK FRIEND?

Sorry again, this post just struck a chord in my heart. I can empathize with the sentiment of what the post that we are mocking is saying. I have had friends try to kill themselves as a cry for help in order to manipulate people. Those situations have really upset me. And my 2 friends who did that were male.

[–]RocinanteOfLaMancha 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's heavy and hard to share. Ya I have known both guys and girls do it for attention but also know that people do commit and attempt suicide because that's what they think they want. Hope they are better :(

[–]_Oisin 23ポイント24ポイント  (3子コメント)

I hate these fucked up views of suicide. It's true that men have a more difficult time getting help. It's true men have higher success rate when it comes attempting. But for fuck sakes people these people are dying, they are trying to hurt themselves and they are not pawns to be used in your gender wars. These are real people and you shouldn't care more about the results than the intention.

[–]Hamuel 14ポイント15ポイント  (1子コメント)

You'd think someone fighting for "Men's Rights" would be more focused on getting men the help they need and not dismissing why women attempt suicide.

[–]_Oisin 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

The worst part is how dismissive they are of a woman attempting suicide because it's just for attention blah blah blah. It's such a common and toxic idea as well that results in people who are unwell being berated at not being good enough at doing the thing we don't want them to do. If someone attempted to kill me I would say "well they clearly didn't really want to kill me or I'd be dead now, obviously it's just for attention". That is how trivially a literal matter of life and death is treated by people with that kind of thinking. In the same way that if I ignore multiple attempts on my life the person attempting to kill me will eventually succeed, a person making attempts on their own life will succeed with time. They're not looking for attention with multiple attempts, they're just getting better.

[–]Xela2ooo 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

If a tragedy happens in a forest and there are no MRAs around to push an agenda with it, does it make a sound?

[–]Tastygroove 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

Men's rights is full if scorned narcissists who've dated the other half of their classic dyad, the borderline, over and over again. It's always the fault of the BPD in their eyes because surely logic trumps emotion. Being cold and completely lacking empathy makes it easy to cut them off and abandon them when things get too "drama filled" for the avoident narc. "Suicide? Yeah right bitch whatever go for it I'm gone..."

They will always end up with their disordered counterpart. Over and over again... "Why bitches be so crazy??"

Edit: Oh, btw, and they're scientifically wrong... Many studied prove that bpd are 50 times more likely than the general population to kill themselves. http://www.currentpsychiatry.com/the-publication/past-issue-single-view/beyond-threats-risk-factors-for-suicide-in-borderline-personality-disorder/457ecadff97a8d9cb2216a3815e08e5b.html

Damn drama queens... And their fucking inner turmoil... They sure are easy to fuck though being so desperate for closeness, eager to please and utter fear of abandonment.

[–]tea_cosy 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

The proportion of histrionic "faux-suicide" attempts is very small and even then it should be a major warning sign. I've heard of a case where a lady with HPD attempted this and actually managed to kill herself.

[–]treebog[S] 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

credit to /u/Sailor_mini_moon for finding this

[–]Sailor_mini_moon 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thanks! So much fucked up shit there, this is why it bugs me when people say its a feminism equivalent. /r/menslib is a new sub for discussing mens issues while also being pro feminist! Men totally have unique problems, but mens rights just seems to genuinely hate women.

[–]bear_trap_ouch 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

You know I thought the menslib sub would be a good thing. A place to discuss men's issues without the toxicity of mra and terp subs. Instead almost every post turns into an argument about it being a pro feminist sub. I argued for so long with someone (and there are many others) who didn't like the idea of using terms like 'patriarchy'.

And then they lament that no one takes them seriously.

You wanna help with men specific issues, pull your head out of your ass, stop blaming feminists for all your problems and stop turning away allys.

[–]Nick_MDick 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

"How can I make someone's suicide attempt all about me?"

[–]DeepStuffRicky 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

No woman ever experiences real depression ever. No woman is capable of feeling any emotions that aren't engendered by a man. The only reason a woman would ever attempt suicide is for attention from her dad or boyfriend - no woman can ever be truly suicidal. Women don't feel or do anything that doesn't have a man at its center. Women aren't people, they are quasi-sentient beings who are here solely to bear children and provide companionship for men.

Read that paragraph and absorb it. Study it for as long as it takes to convince yourself that it's true. When you have successfully done that, congratulations, everything MRAs say will make total sense to you.

[–]theaxolotlgod 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Only MRAs could make seeking help before a suicide attempt look like a bad thing.