Politics, GamerGate, and KotakuInAction

SpawnPointGuard · 21時間前

If it's GG or at all gaming related then I'm fine with it. If it's something like Clinton's email scandal or Trump's immigration policy then it has no business being here.

burnercomenter · 21時間前

Needs to be related to nerd culture, or needs to be gamedropping gamergate, and needs to be explained why it is related to gamergate. The new people probably aren't aware of the nerd culture requirements. Respectful peace should be maintained as to not come off as partisan but let them defend their thesis and gave them a chance to explain their reasoning.

solid_razorbill · 13時間前

What about Filipino politics?

shemmie · 21時間前

Trump RTing a GGer wasn't political. Because Trump probably has no fucking clue what GG is, nor will he ever likely care.

It was just a funny "Famous person RTed a GGer" thing.

The end?

And so to further that, I'd like to see as much GG / US election cross over in KiA as I did with GG / UK election crossover.

In as much as, fucking none - as one's about who'll lead a country after an election, and the other's GamerGate.

Unless - unless - UNLESS - for some fucking insane reason, a potentially future President of the USA actually wades into GamerGate as a topic.

Then all bets are off.

g-div · 21時間前

If it's directly relevant to GG, I don't see an issue.

But honestly, there's been a ton of primarily political, barely GG related posts that I've rolled my eyes at. Would love to see KiA remain primarily apolitical in the sense of "picking sides" or having discussions devolve into petty presidential election squabbles. Moving the more political less GG related posts to /KiAPolitics seems like a good solution.

13thmeerkat · 20時間前

Needs to be related to gamergate/gaming and a self-post with a bit of explanation. If not this subreddit will be flooded with posts every time a candidate makes a stupid remark.

AlseidesDD · 21時間前

One needs to be mindful that a significant portion of KiA, and to an extend the rest of the GG movement, are not American.

Thus I hope others would consider why there needs to be election generated political discussion to come up unless there's relevance to GG itself.

GOU_NoMoreMrNiceGuy · 20時間前

it should follow the same guidelines we've established - if it's about SJW rad fem fuckery culture war and games / games journalism then it belongs.

but imo, something should only be booted if it doesn't even make any attempt to link it to GG. if the post somehow links it to GG's interests, it should stay because there are a lot of things that indirectly affect us.

but if it's literally just about benghazi, why is it here?

plasmacutter · 19時間前

Anything associated with ethics, socjus, gaming, or GG should be fine here.

If it strays beyond that, into the trash it goes.

In other words, I vote for a combination of proposals 3 and 4.

The only places i've seen the election come up with any strength so far:

when "#blacklivesmatter" SOCJUS cultists stormed and shut down Sanders' stump speeches in the past week or so. (widespread approval of his infinite patience)
when "the Trump" shut down Fox's attempt to socjus-shame him in Sargon's debate stream, then re-tweeted a GG account last week. (widespread approval of his shitlording)

These were both firmly related to GG and socjus censorship/shaming campaigns and made sense.

Anything beyond this level of intersection with this sub's topics should not be here.

It's one thing to sit back and comment on politician behavior when it intersects with the interests of this sub, but we should avoid going any further than that, this includes AVOIDING creating a "kiapolitics", as my biggest nightmare is a sub like that somehow pushing a "consensus endorsement by GG".

gargantualis · 21時間前

I'd like to add to that. As we may have seen, there have been worse spergfights in the history of gamergate, but at the end of the day we are all still gamers, or at least sympathetic interested in preserving free expression, there are many principles which unite us.

Its like Louis Le Vau said in one of his videos, his politics, his way of perceiving the world, his personal philosophy all of those things have changed or evolved over time.

But he like many of us have ALWAYS been gamers.

So....no matter what happens...settle your differences, agree to disagree. If you feel you can only work mutually at a distance, then fine.

Be patient. Do NOT let these seeds of political division take root. Its like reprogramming a terminator into reclassifying a friendly as a prime target.

The trick is to spread confusion make it so that no one can come to sensible conclusion about goings on, or sociopolitical parasites In the interest of defending their past times, their shared experiences, their choice of entertainment, subcultures, memes and chosen self identity.

Because some people are going to keep using stuff like this, to purge through our apathy until they find a crack, or excuse to rally folks. Remember the other friends online some of you may have lost over this whole political media frenzy, and those you have made.

No matter what happens.... hold the line.

Hold the line.

Agkistro13 · 20時間前

Whatever rules there are, we need to make sure they don't head off the possibility of active political engagement, as opposed to observation. So for example, if a candidate says something awful about video games or something wonderful about SJW's, it might be come in our best interest to hijack their hashtag or otherwise try to get a response or some recognition. I don't want such efforts of organization to be headed off because of some rule. Tie ins to political issues are also potentially great ways to get KIA on the front page and get more people into GG.

HexezWork · 21時間前

If the politics have nothing to do with nerd culture and/or corruption with journalists it should not be posted here.

I get enough Bernie and Trump circlejerk on the reddit frontpage I don't wanna see that shit spilling into here unless you can make a case for why its related to GG in your post.

Thegreatbear21 · 21時間前

politics will kill gg that simple once you pick a side the other side is the one your fighting thats how it works

crystalflash · 20時間前

I've said it before, but i feel that discussing politics here should be done as objectively as possible. That said, an individual's bias will show through occasionally, and we need to respect that person's political beliefs. We're all individuals with our own set of personal beliefs outside Gamergate, and our unity despite our differences has been a major strength of ours. It's a shame that US politics can be so destructive, but so long as we can establish that we all have our own opinions in regards to US politics and "agree to disagree" on certain political topics, discussing politics on KiA should go fine. That said, I think we should implement the flair idea first and see how things play out before making a whole new subreddit.

White_Phoenix · 19時間前

I only care when it's related to censorship and political correctness. As much as I hate Trump, he's the only one who's basically being a misanthrope to everyone and talking about how silly political correctness is, because fuck you he has money.

That's the only reason why I even mention him, because he's causing butthurt for EVERYONE, including the Republicans. If another politician comes up and mentions how social justice and/or feminism and/or political correctness is fucking with our civil liberties, then I'm more than happy for it to be featured here. Or if they gamedrop in a positive way, regardless of the candidate.

Otherwise - any other policy? Keep that shit out of here.

augmentedwangs · 19時間前

I am in favor of 2 and 3. The political noise that happens isn't even important to most Americans, more people shouldn't be forced through such nationalistic bullshit.

In the past there have been other topics, especially around when FPH was removed, that outsiders started posting about that were only microscopically framed as being GG related because of censorship or somewhat but were championed as the stance of KiA. National politics are an even grimier subject that would attract unsavory types and I don't like seeing things as silly as party lines infiltrate this sub to divide us.

Funkgalaxy · 15時間前

I'm not trying to tell everyone else how to live their lives but if KotakuInAction becomes some campaign hub I'm probably going to tune out till after the election.

Honestly I think it would kill the subreddit, but what do I know?

throwaway_6787 · 13時間前

Everybody outside of America couldn't give a shit about your dumb arse president. GG is a GAMER revolt about GAMING journalism. By discussing Trump your're giving the enemy exactly what they want, to turn GG into a political entity which we are not.

jammer170 · 5時間前

I agree with the idea of a "politics" flair, but it might also be a good idea to have a separate "US election" flair. There are politics that actually seriously effect GamerGate, whereas the election is something many people are interested in, but will have actual limited impact.

ShadistsReddit · 21時間前

I'd like to see the same system used for SJW posts, self posts with an explanation as to how it's relevant (I am very in favor of this in general) with a side of "go to KiAPolitics" upon removal if it's too far afield to fit here.

But then I've been told that I'm a super secret authoritarian SJW shill so disregard. :)

shillingintensify · 21時間前

I don't want politics beyond SJWs being retarded in gaming on KiA.

DelAvaria · 21時間前

Well I think people are going to want to discuss certain things about it. GG as a whole will probably still be apolitical but I could obviously see certain political canidates making social justice/feminism a core part of their campaign platform. That said, the new sub might work but the problem is the amount of overlap.

Is Doanld Trump mentioning something on twitter about blocking people GG related? I would say yes, relevant. However, others will say it is more political than gamergate related and use that as a reason to not want it here.

The problem is there will be a greyscale of where a particular headline might fall. It is difficult to label something as "politics" therefore it does not belong because many front page posts in the last year could loosely fall under that.

Therefore I am against removing posts based on a "politics" category. I think having a flair on it and being able to sort it off should be enough.

BaddoSpirito · 20時間前

Hmm this is indeed a tough question. As someone who thinks banning certain topics should be a last resort, I would prefer either doing nothing or politics flair. I might change my stance if the sub gets too overwhelmed with political posts but I haven't seen that happen yet.

What we absolutely must not do imo is organize a political GG operation. It is fine to discuss and argue without cluttering the sub too much but it is absolutely not fine to support or attack a certain candidate in an organized manner.

randomname19029 · 19時間前

As a left-wing European, this stuff is obnoxious as fuck. I vote for moving out US presidential stuff as off-topic unless directly related to gaming or online censorship.

kaeim · 21時間前

Thank christ someone finally said what I've been thinking. As a brit-fag I've been feeling bewildered by these political arguments, so let's back to the real work

EliteFourScott · 19時間前

As long as this isn't used as an excuse to remove "culture war" topics that are and always have been and always will be relevant to Gamergate, I'm cool with it. i'd really hate for the '16 election leadup to be the downfall of Gamergate.

princess_y_fronts · 18時間前

I am not an american so for me, the american elections are like a really long episode of the daily show.

Wraith978 · 18時間前

Canadian (though I follow US politics relatively closely) I think we should allow it with a tag.

I know it's divisive and people hate it (the two party system encourages some outrageous tribalism) - i do as well, but it's important to talk about among people that hold different views and I think we usually try to keep civil here. A large group of people talking civilly can get to interesting conclusions.

One of the things I love about GG is I follow some right wing people that make me rethink my views (though not usually change them) on issues and we try to talk it out rationally, and hopefully that's gone the other way a too.

This may be unpopular with a lot of GG folks that want to keep a narrower focus, but hopefully you see where I'm coming from.

Tarrock · 15時間前

You gotta remember that the whole bernie sanders blacklifesmatter circus that happened the other day, those are the type of people you'd see on social media screaming that GG is misogynist, and zoe quinn is the virgin mary.

theone899 · 20時間前

We DON'T need a flair; and remember that this election shit is only relegated to US, not non-US Gamer-Gaters.

Politics doesn't belong on this sub.

mnemosyne-0000 · 21時間前

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unprivilegedminority · 21時間前

I think a combination of 2 and 3 would work best for the sub, but if there is something actually related to GG, it could be ok to post it here for discussion.

ThatFacelessMan · 17時間前

Can we take a minute to just appreciate the fact that we're diverse enough to actually have a problem? When it comes down to it we're all gamers here, regardless of the other facets of our lives that make us who we are, especially political leanings.

That being said, I'm for a Politics flair, as long as it's tangential to GG.

johnyann · 17時間前

Yeah lets let give Bernie Sanders' campaign another place to astroturf the fuck out of.

Feel_Free_To_Downvot · 16時間前

if shit is pure political and has no connection with gg, ethics, gaming and censorship then remove post and offer to the author to post on /r/KiaPolitics ?

HBlight · 13時間前

I've stomached Escape Velocity for a year. I think I can make it through this.

HolyThirteen · 10時間前

I'll trust Supernova's judgement on this one, I would be SHOCKED if there was something even vaguely on-topic coming out of this election. I'm all for peripheral politics bullshit usually... just not quite this much. :)

The hissy-fits thrown over this by a couple of people (who are likely far too burnt out to begin with) are frustrating, so I hope everybody is prepared for the kids who are gonna keep derailing things with election crap.

Its been shown to be effective for dividing us, expect more of it.

Taylor7500 · 8時間前

I think anything to keep it apparent that it's political would be good, but perhaps a good suggestion would be to keep it relevant (no politics posts which have very little to do with us), and maybe avoid opinions about who is good to support. My suggestion would be that links about real, relevant events should be fine, but opinion pieces on why one candidate is better than another shouldn't be.

FoolsErrend · 3時間前

Please keep Politics OUT of KIA.

There are strong advocates of KIA where I 100% disagree with their political position. KIA is about ethics, consumer rights, etc- Politics can bring a very negative spin into our discussions.

Please lets agree to disagree on politics and keep it out of here.

CrazyInAnInsaneWorld · 3時間前

As much as I dislike the idea of bringing politics unrelated to GG into KiA, the fact remains that not only is the term "Politics" so greyscale that it's difficult to tell where the related ends and the unrelated begins, I think we would do more damage, in the long run, by quashing political discussion.

As an entity, KiA is, and should remain, officially neutral, even if it's members do tend to lean one way or the other. This hooks back into establishment of a certain opinion, and why it is so bad for a community that highly values the concept of Freedom of Speech. Any political opinions held by members, are their own opinions alone, and should expect to have to defend those opinions using facts and logic. The Market of Ideas only works when outmoded and obsolete ideologies are cycled out of the market by more innovative and successful ones, after all.

handrubber · 19時間前

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Angle_of_the_Dangle · 19時間前

My votes:

No new flair
No discussion of the election season, candidates and policies unless it is somehow related to #gg. The topic is not relevant, it is very divisive and a significant portion of KiA is not from the US.
Deleted posts are directed to r/kiapolitics.

Wolphoenix · 21時間前

Can we at least get a Dr. Doom/Sideshow Bob 2016 banner?

DeathBattleFan123 · 18時間前

If somebody is just in here campaigning, sure, block their posts. But if it's even remotely discussing media ethics, censorship, collusion, etc, then let the votes decide relevance.

todiwan · 15時間前

Shows just how different post-Hat KIA is. Mods ACTUALLY taking user input and, I presume, taking it into consideration instead of ignoring it. You're doing a really good job earning back the users' trust, I think.

Brimshae · 20時間前

You should uh, you should put asterisks before the options. It makes them stand out more.

kvxdev · 18時間前

As someone who was heavily downvoted for a political opinion emitted in reply earlier?

-Not doing anything and trusting that the votes and topic discussions will be handled accordingly.

or

-Adding a flair for "POLITICS" and requiring the self post feature in order to give readers more insight into why a particular post would be relevant here.

RavenscroftRaven · 17時間前

I encourage people to downvote whenever possible anything that seems egregiously off-topic, even if it is something you agree with politically, if it does not belong here in discourse.

I don't want to put more effort on the mod team, because I don't like censorship of an authoritarian nature, and technically, it is such. So instead, I ask people don't make them in the first place. If it's linked, it's linked. But even then, Americanos love their politics like they hate quality beer, so it had best be really linked to make up for the inevitable pissing contest.

When Argentina has its elections, I'll make sure to flood the board, so they don't feel left out, either.

frankenmine · 7時間前

GamerGate necessarily has a political side, has had one since Literally Who bought herself a Rep. So some political content should be allowed. But we shouldn't officially endorse any presidential candidate, which will both push people out and go against our principle of not having leaders.

A POLITICS flair seems like a good idea.

Romney2008 · 19時間前

If you're not going to to outright delete them then just move them to the Kia politics sub.

IAMPOUNDCAKE · 20時間前

I have long been a proponent of splitting off the more 'off topic' posts to their own sub. Though I understand that i am a minority in that regard.

Also, shouldn't your flair be 'Nova Prime' rather than Commander Nova? :P

Ricwulf · 19時間前

That being said, the reason for this post is to ask you all how you feel about these issues rising up on KiA.

Adopt a rule akin to TiA, where basically politics isn't forbidden, just frowned upon. Try to keep it to a minimum, unless it is directly related to us.

EDIT: Apparently my idea isn't too popular. Anyone want to explain why?

LeerooooyGaaaankins · 17時間前

Let the votes decide, and use a flair so it can be filtered out.

As an aside, thank you for consulting the community before implementing policies instead of after it simultaneously. It gives me new hope for the mod team.

totlmstr · 21時間前

Just wanted to say great work to you moderators!

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ElzevirAuxiliatrix · 18時間前

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