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[–]The NetherlandsPhalanx300 28 points29 points30 points  (5 children)
Interesting how the post saying it were asylum seekers got removed yet this gets to stay. Heh.
[–]funkeepickle [score hidden]  (0 children)
This post might get removed too since it mentions immigrants.
[–]HulaguKan [score hidden]  (3 children)
Do you know who removed it?
[–]SwedenKashou_ 139 points140 points141 points  (169 children)
Do you want SD in the government? Because this is how you get SD in the government.
[–]United KingdomFrankeh 16 points17 points18 points  (58 children)
When's the next election?
[–]SwedenKashou_ 57 points58 points59 points  (56 children)
In 2018. SD is already gaining a lot of support in polls, and considering that the government is going to pretty much more than double immigration by then, it's going to be a landslide.
[–]United KingdomFrankeh 16 points17 points18 points  (42 children)
What were the polls like last time for SD, and what results did they end up getting?
We have 'shy Tories' in the UK. People who claim they're voting one way or refuse to answer when surveyed, and then go and vote Tory.
Wonder if SD have a similar thing going for them.
[–]Swedensomesuredditsareshit 18 points19 points20 points  (0 children)
That happens here too, SD were polled at around 10,5% and they got 12,9%
[–]SwedenTobiand 3 points4 points5 points  (2 children)
This is a diagram of pre election polls and election results:
The broken line at the top is their election day result and the various dots are their results in polls prior to the election. And a similar diagram that presents all the major parties that took part in the previous election:
  • Left stack is election results
  • Middle stack is a poll where participants were selected at random
  • Right stack is a poll were participants were not recruited but rather had to look up the poll themselves and volunteer to take part (self recruiting polls).
[–]United KingdomFrankeh 1 point2 points3 points  (1 child)
Nice! Thanks. That's exactly what I was after.
Funny to see that the SD random and self selected polling is so close, but still far away from the actual result.
You'd think the self selection polls would be wildly different than the random ones, and they are mostly.
[–]SwedenTobiand 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
Yeah it is kind of interesting and I always try to remember stats like these during election cycles because polls are interesting but not necessarily a good predictor of the final result. The feminist party (FI) for example were looking really popular there for a while but once election day came they didn't even get one seat in parliament.
[–]SwedenSwedophone 7 points8 points9 points  (18 children)
Yes polls have in the past often showed lower SD support than the actual election result. Sentio has been closest and in their recent poll SD became the third largest party at 22.1%.
[–]Czech Republicdsmid 2 points3 points4 points  (3 children)
Hmm, the difference is so small that SD could win the elections in the end...
[–]SwedenSwedophone 7 points8 points9 points  (0 children)
It's not enough to be the largest party if a majority of the parliament is against them. They need 51% of the votes to really win.
[–]Swedenrabbitlion [score hidden]  (1 child)
They would need 51% to win as all other parties refuse to work with them. If they only got 49% of the seats it's more likely the other 7 parties would form a coalition government.
[–]SwedenTheSuperlativ [score hidden]  (0 children)
...Which would trigger some serious internal conflicts. Keep in mind that there will also be a small amount of people that were "too afraid" to vote SD, and instead went with a conventional choice. When the results emerge, and the coalition is formed, you can bet there will be more than 49% of the population that will voice their concerns, at which point democracy will also have been seriously infringed upon. Because of this, I find it unlikely that every single opposition party will stand in solidarity and neglect the opportunity to be part of government, even if it would be with SD.
[–]Ukrainian immigrantteamkiller91 13 points14 points15 points  (10 children)
They were the second largest party, IIRC.
EDIT: Downvoted for answering a question correctly? Really?
[–]SwedenTobiand 16 points17 points18 points  (0 children)
You're not answering the question correctly though. The poll that showed the SD as the second largest party was the latest poll (You can tell from the dates on your diagram). What /u/Frankeh was asking for was a comparison between their results in the polls prior to the election and their actual election results.
This is an analysis of how they performed at the polls vs how they performed in the last election:
The broken line at the top is their election day result and the various dots are their results in polls prior to the election.
[–]Glenn2000 7 points8 points9 points  (0 children)
This is also a bit of a simplification. We Swedes have refined the concept of democracy and now have something called .
As SD does not belong to a block (dark red, light green, red = leftist/greens or dark green + blue = conservatives/liberal, in the above pic), they are really third.. or dead last. They would need around 40% to be able to break DÖ. Possibly even 51% if our other politicians are really hell-bent on keeping them away from power.....
[–]snapunhappy 8 points9 points10 points  (5 children)
Polls don't count, in the actual election they were 3rd, that's why you got down-voted. The have the third largest presence in parliament, they are the third largest party in Sweden.
Also, sourcing obviously massive anti immigration blogs to support your claim is foolish, you may as well just make up the number yourself.
[–]fishtickler 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
Pretty much same thing, all polls underestimated SD, and when they got 13 % in the election 2014 every political party was considered a loser and SD the only w.inner
[–]snapunhappy 3 points4 points5 points  (1 child)
Its different in Sweden, the government is constructed via proportional representation not FPTP, so even though UKIP has more support in the UK the SD has the exact percentage of seats that the vote awarded them whereas UKIP has 1
[–]United KingdomFrankeh 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
Yeah, I realise that. It doesn't change what I said.
[–]LittleMizz 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
Not the exact numbers but I think in the last election the polls said 10-ish percent and SD got closer to 13. This time, unless ANY of the parties adopt a similar immigration policy, they're gonna get closer to 20% I'm guessing.
[–]snapunhappy 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
I agree, the main parties need some kind of immigration policy, it needs to be honest and cross party agreed and everyone, even the people who favor or hate immigration need to understand that no one will get an agreement we all want, its called compromise.
[–]LithuaniaPeraz 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
All conservative parties have shy voters. Conservative party in my country gets double the votes of the polls.
[–]Englandsyuk [score hidden]  (0 children)
Can the opposition make a vote for no confidence in the government and bring that forward? It is amazing how much the government seems to cover things up.
[–]AUX AAAAAAAAAAAARMES CITOYEEEEEEEEEEEENS!!my_baby_ate_dingos [score hidden]  (1 child)
So I basically read in another sub (I won't say which one) that the entire Swedish political establishment has formed an alliance to stop SD wielding any real power in parliament/government. The poster there pretty much said that the other parties will voluntarily lose an election or bargain coalitions away if it helps keeping SD out of power.
It wasn't a sub known for being balanced and objective, so... Is there any truth to that?
[–]Damorte [score hidden]  (0 children)
Yes its true. It is known as Decemberöverenskommelsen (the december agreement)
[–]European UnionSunCream 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
In 3 years.
[–]FinlandTaedaetae 9 points10 points11 points  (1 child)
I don't understand. I think Sweden does a lot of ridiculous things but boosting security in this case seems reasonable to me. Why is it bad? If I were Swedish I'd be upset with the levels of immigration not about immigrants having high level of security.
[–]Czech Republicmaestroni 39 points40 points41 points  (12 children)
I'll be laughing my ass off when Sweden gets a new anti-immigrant government, deports every last one of them, and admits they were idiots living in a dream world when it comes to economic migrants.
[–]TheTechnoWiking 3 points4 points5 points  (10 children)
I dont see why you have to make money on immigrants. Sure, they cost, but it save lives. Obviously our integration is far from good enough.
[–]Czech Republicmaestroni 23 points24 points25 points  (0 children)
I dont see why you have to make money on immigrants
You don't.
Sure, they cost, but it save lives
Asylum applications should be processed outside the EU, given out to the needy first (e.g. orphaned children rather than healthy adults), and only within the limits we're capable of supporting.
[–]FinlandDeletraz [score hidden]  (4 children)
I, too, have always figured that moving a fraction of a country's population to Malmö saves lives and solves humanitarian crises.
I'd think that using the same amount of money closer to the epicenter of the crisis (in form of refugee camps, hospitals) is more efficient, helps a larger part of the population and doesn't strip people of the connection to their home country.
Ninja edit: Not trying to say people should vote for SD, though. I don't know enough about Swedish politics to take a stand in the matter.
[–]Swedenmirshafie [score hidden]  (3 children)
Sweden already gives a large part of its GDP as humanitarian aid (~1%), ie to the epicentres. Of course, SD is the only political party that wants to decrease that amount, all while using the rhetoric that we should focus on helping abroad rather than taking in refugees. This should be an indication to anyone that is in doubt about what sort of political party SD is.
[–]FinlandDeletraz [score hidden]  (1 child)
Moving money from one instance (taking immigrants) to other (humanitarian aid) would probably mean cutting some of the whole "helping people of other countries" budget. I can kind of get that if they can't get other parties to cut from taking immigrants part (or have they, actually? I don't know how this spending has developed in Sweden), they'll propose cutting down humanitarian aid...that is, if their underlying idea is that they'd like to spend less on the matter in general.
But yeah, not really loving the neonazi connections and cheap populism they seem to be a fan of.
[–]cramip [score hidden]  (1 child)
I dont see why you have to make money on immigrants
This is lovely goalpost-moving from the left. First they claim that immigrants are a net benefit, both socially and economically. Then, we find that that's wrong on both counts, and it turns into this.
Why bring people in, if they're a burden on tax payers, will commit more crime than the native population, reduce social trust and increase atomization.
Why not have IQ tests on immigrants? Bring in the good, keep the others out.
but it save lives
What's the end goal? "Saving lives", at the cost of destroying your country? What about a moral duty towards the natives? What about preserving living standards of Swedish people?
[–]Swedenmirshafie [score hidden]  (0 children)
Immigrants as a whole are a net benefit. The sub-group of refugees may not be.
By the way, IQ in general is not a good indicator of basically anything. It is certainly not a good guage of intelligence, whatever that may be defined as.
[–]ThisBozoAbove [score hidden]  (0 children)
Pros of Immigration:
-Happy Liberal Feels for bored rich whites living in enclave neighborhoods
Cons of Immigration:
-Increased crime
-Tax burden (welfare, need for increased infrastructure and services)
-Destroys school environment in lower income areas
-Cultural shift towards third world values, erosion of native culture.
-Greatly decreased cultural cohesion and civic participation.
Do yourself a favor, next time you're getting misty eyed over the conditions in Africa, write a cheque, or go on a volunteer mission. Don't insist on spreading the burden onto those who don't want it and actually suffer from it.
[–]Romaniadumnezero [score hidden]  (0 children)
You misunderstand their intentions. They do not really want those others to live.
[–]OscarGrey [score hidden]  (0 children)
I think it's more likely they'll double down on their "charity" and say it's only a problem because other European countries aren't as "charitable".
[–]Frieslanddaonlyfreez 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
You are addressing the Eritrean stabbers, right?
[–]United Kingdomniftykettles 10 points11 points12 points  (78 children)
SD seem like the only sane party. I mean I don't know much about Swedish politics but they seem to be the only ones looking out for indigenous Swedes.
[–]SwedenKashou_ 47 points48 points49 points  (60 children)
Yeah well, except that they have actual nazis in the party and some of them have said and done insanely outrageous crap, but yes, they are the only ones actually talking about refugees.
[–]New Zealandoreography 22 points23 points24 points  (2 children)
But this is exactly how the far right get in. If no other political party are willing to confront certain unpopular issues, then people will support them, even when they have hundreds of other terrible policies.
Norway, Denmark and your other Nordic neighbours take a pragmatic approach to immigration now, but Sweden continues to be oblivious to the very real problems it can cause.
[–]NYCshoryukenist [score hidden]  (0 children)
Sweden has the same policy on discussion of immigration as the mods of /r/europe.
[–]langwadt 13 points14 points15 points  (2 children)
it's a backlash against politicians and media being so busy being politically correct that they won't even acknowledge there might be a problem, so people vote for the opposite end of the spectrum to send a message
[–]Kirsebaer- 20 points21 points22 points  (27 children)
But isn't it quite obvious that for instance a KKK person would be republican rather than democrat, and a nazi would be in SD instead of whatever, since those parties are the only ones that slightly come close to what they want.
[–]PolandStudentOfMrKleks 7 points8 points9 points  (2 children)
But nazis have more fitting parties there like Nationaldemokraterna or something like this. And nazis probably despise SD for not being outspoken against Jews and Israel
[–]GermanyArvendilin 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
Doesn't have to be, here in germany many Nazis actually support Israel as they see them as a state killing muslims who they nowadays hate even more than jews (as there is a much larger muslim than jewish population in germany currently) =P
[–]SwedenKashou_ 20 points21 points22 points  (21 children)
Yes. But then you have to ask yourself if you want an active KKK member in charge, and if voting him in to solve one issue is a good idea.
Personally I think our current immigration policy is more destructive than voting in someone who might have more than an unhealthy dose of prejudices.
[–]sensitiveduck 8 points9 points10 points  (17 children)
You vote for whoever has the best interests for YOU and YOUR COUNTRY. What happened to white people and their common sense. You can't be the only one altruistic race. Either all or none.
[–]EU/Hungarypolymute 1 point2 points3 points  (7 children)
Race is a meaningless construct of artificial categories which survives only in ideologies rooted in the past. Humans exist on a spectrum. A 'white' Sicilian or Greek looks the same as a northern Lybian or most Levantine Arabs and is about as far from a Northern German as from about half of Pakistan.
[–]sensitiveduck 4 points5 points6 points  (5 children)
Race is a meaningless construct ideologies rooted in the past
Hate is as natural as love is. Like animals, humans have been fighting each other for its whole history. It's in our DNA not to trust people that look different and behave different. So no its not a construct or an ideology, it's just our fucking DNA. We just like to think that because we're conscious about our nature we can transcend it. History is repeating itself at every turn because we can't. Best to accept it and build wallls.
[–]EU/Hungarypolymute 3 points4 points5 points  (2 children)
We are more than a simple expression of our genes though. Is Christianity in our genes? Is capitalism? Is communism? Is literature? Is nazism? Is scientific thinking?
We choose how we steer our culture somewhat and your defeatism with regards to racism is something that brings racism forward. That is not a necessary turn of history though.
A lot of self-proclaimed evolutionaries tend to discount how much of a social species we are and how throughout history we tended to congregate into bigger and bigger systems. It seems unlikely that building walls is the way, rather than creating systems where people can cooperate.
[–]Swedenmirshafie [score hidden]  (0 children)
The guy just argued that because fear is an emotion, it must thus be embraced and allowed to rule. Just keep that in mind if you're going to further exhange with him.
[–]sensitiveduck [score hidden]  (0 children)
I really understand every point you make. You're just forgetting how uninformed the average person is. It starts with education, media etc (way too many variables) that make the average person believe falsehoods about anything, even basic things like nutrition and "drugs". The main stream opinion of about anything is almost 180 degrees to the scientific truth. Cooperation is nice and all but there will always be wolves among the sheeps. And even now we have kings and religions, just under different names.
[–]tobitobitobitobi [score hidden]  (1 child)
This is simply not true. It's everyone's decision, who looks different to them and who looks similar to them.
[–]United Kingdom (in USA)Uaedaien 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
Race is a meaningless construct of artificial categories which survives only in ideologies rooted in the past.
You should really stop taking drugs.
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    [–]sensitiveduck 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    My message was directed to whites anyways. They're the only race that don't have the racial filter yet. And those "unhealthy" prejudices have proven time and time again to be correct.
    I am an immigrant myself in western world and I'm pretty sure the left politicians want this much immigration to shift the demographic to the left so they can have their nice cozy career for longer. I used to believe the good intentions of the socialists. Used to.
    [–]Swedend5b -1 points0 points1 point  (1 child)
    I'd rather have an active KKK member in charge instead of whos in charge now... and I despise the KKK.
    [–]SwedenKashou_ 8 points9 points10 points  (0 children)
    Pretty much my sentiment as well.
    I don't really support SD at all, but apparently voting SD is the only way to send a message to the remaining parties about immigration, and I don't feel like I have the luxury to "hope" the parties I usually vote for get their heads straight for another 4 years.
    [–]Swedenrabbitlion [score hidden]  (0 children)
    If it would become known that a republican politician was a KKK member, he would be thrown out of the party and almost certainly never reelected again. Similar things happen to SD politicians who are exposed as nazis. SD is still a relatively young party to they don't have a lot of qualified career politicians. It's getting better with every election though, and at this point most national candidates are fairly reasonable.
    [–]SwedenLindkvist15 6 points7 points8 points  (0 children)
    It's not only that they vote for that party, it's that they have positions in the party.
    [–]FinlandTaedaetae 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
    Perussuomalaiset also have neo-nazis in party and especially voters but it doesn't make them neo-nazi. Vote SD or you're going to have something more radical down the line. If there were more non neo-nazi voters of SD they'd cater less to neo-nazis imo.
    [–]European UnionMartin_444 11 points12 points13 points  (11 children)
    This is the problem with Sweden. Most parties are super pro-immigration, lets take every single asylum seeker in, give them max benefits and fast-track citizenship to almost all of them, while the only party who says - hey we are taking too many refugees in, is a party that has a history of neo-nazism and many supporters who are actual neo-nazis as well(even though their current policies would be considered center-left in many other countries).
    [–]snapunhappy 26 points27 points28 points  (2 children)
    I have recently emigrated to Sweden and i have dealt with the whole system, including going to class every day with economic migrants and asylum seekers and I can tell you
    "Lets take every single asylum seeker in, give them max benefits and fast-track citizenship to almost all of them"
    Is complete baloney. Sweden may be taking in too many refugees, but no one wants to talk about it or report on it or even accept that their policy could have any downsides at all, so we cant tell or we cant improve the situation
    I feel many SD supports just want the main parties to open their eyes and take a look at the situation and talk with them about their concerns.
    [–]United States of Americafakemoose 9 points10 points11 points  (1 child)
    It's the same argument I hear in other European countries. My friends in France and in Austria would bitch non-stop about immigrants until you reminded that that you are an immigrant too. Then the tone changes to how different it is or how you're an 'expat' not an 'immigrant', etc. It's ridiculous. I wish people would just say what they actually mean instead of trying to lump in everyone who's immigrated together.
    Rash, reactionary immigration changes/policies end up effecting all of us from refugees to highly-educated people (hence why I went to France for my Masters and not the UK).
    [–]Glenn2000 6 points7 points8 points  (2 children)
    Please, they are not super pro-immigration. They are super-anti sending away people who will be killed back home. They also happen to love welfare, which means Sweden is a extremely popular destination for welfare tourists worldwide. A bad combination.. is all.
    [–]sensitiveduck 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
    That's called reframing. Potato potato
    [–]SwedenZtiller1 3 points4 points5 points  (4 children)
    That is just incorrect. Pretty much all right wing parties want stricter requirements for immigrants. It's just that the general belief is that all parties but SD wants open borders.
    [–]SwedenSvampnils 9 points10 points11 points  (2 children)
    Pretty much all right wing parties want stricter requirements for immigrants
    Really? What requirements would that be? Besides from Jan Björklunds recent call for immigrants to learn swedish, which he could have done something about during 8 years in office. I genuinely want to know.
    From Göran Persson to Fredrik Reinfeldt we have hade the same policy (if not looser), and done nothing to improve integration.
    [–]SwedenKashou_ 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
    You mean the right wing parties that gave us our current immigration policies in the first place?
    Thanks Moderaterna.
    [–]snapunhappy -1 points0 points1 point  (12 children)
    I think in in Sweden, like most places, people overestimate the amount of immigrants, however here, with a small population and a large percentage in a short time its so blindingly obvious that lots of people have arrived very quickly
    Sweden had mass immigration after WW2, mostly of Italians (hence the fact there is a pizzeria on every corner), now those pizza places are turning into kebab places and everyone is losing there minds.
    To put it in perspective, Sweden has one of the lowest murder rates in the developed world around 100 murder per year and of those murders 75% are committed by people who know each other. Even if you are one of the 25 people killed in a random attack every year the chances of it being committed by an immigrant is much smaller than that of a native Swede.
    Immigration isn't perfect, it never has been and never will be, the other alternative is that we stand by and watch as other humans suffer at the hand of their governments or others. Vote for whichever party supports the ideals that you believe in and stop making such a big deal of it, its called democracy and if enough people agree with you then the laws will change.
    [–]European Union - Portugalushiromawashi 22 points23 points24 points  (4 children)
    Sweden had mass immigration after WW2, mostly of Italians (hence the fact there is a pizzeria on every corner), now those pizza places are turning into kebab places and everyone is losing there minds.
    This is so disingenuous.
    The largest source of immigration to Sweden is Finland. Maybe you should also mention them. Swedes don't mind Finnish immigration yet they do mind much of the Middle Eastern immigration. How surprising.
    Look at immigration in Portugal. Brazil, the largest source. African Portuguese speaking countries, another huge source. Ukrainians, sudden huge wave of immigration about a decade ago. Chinese immigration, also in waves.
    It's all good in Portugal. Immigration simply hasn't been a problem. And we've been in a crisis and out of jobs, even then no immigration rhetoric. Do you think we're special? Not really. I grant you people would react very differently to a sudden wave of immigration from Syria or Pakistan.
    Maybe, just maybe, you should realise that not all immigration is alike, and that some is more problematic than others.
    [–]United States of Americafakemoose 7 points8 points9 points  (2 children)
    Maybe, just maybe, you should realise that not all immigration is alike, and that some is more problematic than others.
    Exactly this. Except it's easier to just group all immigrants together (but have everyone know what you actually mean) because the second you start setting criteria based on the country people came from, religions, or income it's political suicide.
    [–]TreefingerX 3 points4 points5 points  (1 child)
    We found the source of the problem. Political correctness.
    [–]JayOC 11 points12 points13 points  (6 children)
    49.8% of non EU citizens resident in Sweden are unemployed. The type and levels of current immigration are completely unsustainable.
    [–]I live in EuropeSavannaJeff 7 points8 points9 points  (2 children)
    Yeah, the 'sane' party. They're the party you just have to love to hate because they're the xenophobic party. This is a party that has had non-stop controversy over how crazily racist they are. They have racist incident after racist incident, such as the time their justice spokesman and economy spokesman (both MPs) were caught running around harassing foreign-looking people with slurs and blunt objects, where their MPs get caught describing darker-skinned people as monkey, where an MP who claimed he was beaten and robbed of his backpack by immigrants had in actual fact been helped by two immigrants back into his wheelchair, and he had actually just forgotten it at the restaurant he was in (this very same charming fellow also abused the guards at the riksdag) and at least used to get, if they don't still currently, a lot of it's funding from out-and-out racists and that has it's roots in the Swedish neo-nazi movement.
    Many of these MPs have been kicked out in recent years for 'ruining' the party's image, and it's certainly trying to seem like a respectable party, but a polished turd is still a turd.
    [–]SwedenTheBoardGameGuy 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
    Yup. I can agree with a lot of their official views on the issues (I strongly dislike Sweden's current immigration policies), but I would never, ever in a million years vote for them. They are wolves in sheep's clothing.
    [–]SwedenRaccoNooB 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
    SD is not sane IMO. They hardly know anything about politics and High Schoolers would do a better job at running a country (and I'm not exaggerating one bit).
    One example was when the party leader Jimmie Åkersson wanted to reduce the tax on the really big banks in Sweden so the CEOs will earn billions more. When one of our left leaning parties challenged that he couldn't defend his claim as to why they want to do that. I'm going to do a rough translation of how the last bit of the debate went down:
    Jonas Sjöstedt (the Left party): You portray your party as one that prioritize the elders, schools and health care. But when it comes down to allocating the big lumps of money you choose the big banks, [insert list of said banks here], and that's hypocrisy. How does this help the economy? How many extra jobs does Jimmie Åkersson (they always refer to each other in third person) estimate this extra money to the banks is going to generate?
    and as a response:
    Jimmie Åkesson (SD): I don't get it. That's a strange comparison. Should one vote against everything that benefits banks, just because it's a bank? Even if it's beneficial in several other ways (doesn't mention a single one), you're not allowed to vote for something that benefits a bank? Because this is what Jonas Sjöstedt is saying, and I mean he's allowed to think that, but I don't think that.
     
    SD is pretty much the only party that dares to bring up the immigration question, and that is good. There's a definite problem there but nobody is discussing it so SD forces that discussion.
    They don't display any signs of being capable of leading a country. They can't even convert currency correctly for pete's sake...
    Maybe there's bit of much of my own opinion in here, but the quotes are legit and it's not the first time they've done stuff like that.
    [–]ScotlandMy_Thoughts 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
    If I lived in Sweden I would be voting SD. They are not the best party, but they are the party Sweden needs.
    [–]Je suis Charlieiwillgotosweden 71 points72 points73 points  (21 children)
    Man this feels really frustrating. I am learning the language, visiting the country, feel connected to the culture, but cannot move to Sweden. But these assholes get to stay there.
    [–]welfarecuban 53 points54 points55 points  (7 children)
    Oh, you can move there. Just don't ask permission first. Show up one day. Without documents. Problem solved.
    [–]ginger_beer_m 16 points17 points18 points  (6 children)
    If he's from a first world country, he'll surely be sent back upon arrival.
    [–]Finlandwiztard 13 points14 points15 points  (5 children)
    Only if they can figure out where he's from.
    [–]welfarecuban 17 points18 points19 points  (0 children)
    Right.
    "Var kommer du ifrån?"
    "Eritrea!"
    "Du säkert?"
    "Ja ja ja!"
    [–]SwedenEldvasser 7 points8 points9 points  (3 children)
    He can just "lose" his passport and tell that he's from Syria.
    [–]Wolfosaurus [score hidden]  (2 children)
    G'day mate, I'm from Syria, how're ya goin'?
    [–]SwedenEldvasser [score hidden]  (1 child)
    Welcome to our country you poor unfortunate soul! Heres an apartment and a job, and here's the special imigrant card that makes you stand above swedish law. If anyone complains tell them they're racists and call Aftonbladet.
    [–]Wolfosaurus [score hidden]  (0 children)
    Cheers, cunt.
    [–]OneMomentum 15 points16 points17 points  (9 children)
    Well, you know what you need to do!
    [–]Je suis Charlieiwillgotosweden 2 points3 points4 points  (7 children)
    Apply jobs and wait a response?
    [–]SwedenSvampnils 13 points14 points15 points  (5 children)
    I think he implies you should come here, commit a serious crime, say that you are a kurdish activist in turkey, do some time in prison and... Welcome to sweden.
    [–]Romaniacilica [score hidden]  (2 children)
    Some NGO should provide leaflets with this information so everybody who wants to go in Sweden can do it so easily.
    [–]Swedenrabbitlion [score hidden]  (0 children)
    They already do that. The professionals that get paid to smuggle people to Sweden advice them to throw away all identification and say they're from an area with war.
    [–]SwedenSvampnils [score hidden]  (0 children)
    And spread it across whole of africa. I wonder what our politicians would do with our policies if that were to happen. And honestly, I think some people already get this sort of information from people smugglers and such, whom promise poor fleeing immigrants the prospect of care free lives just by claiming you come from eritrea or other places which sweden wont send people back to.
    [–]Je suis Charlieiwillgotosweden [score hidden]  (1 child)
    Yeah, I understand. I was trying to be sarcastic. Sadly I am Turkish and very pacifist (a.k.a. not a big fan of being shot by the police).
    [–]comme_ci_comme_ca 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
    Turkish? Easiest way for you is probably get a job in Sweden, that'll give you a residency pretty fast. But you're probably screwed for asylum and of course you're not in Schengen, so just moving here is out too.
    ps, I'm no expert so I just miiiight be wrong.
    [–]European UnioniCannotJuggle 9 points10 points11 points  (0 children)
    Huh? Of course you can! Just come here as a tourist, destroy your passport and don't admit to anyone where you are from.
    [–]New Zealandoreography 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
    Never say never. Maybe in fifty years you'll be admitted to the EU.
    [–]super_leet_hacker 45 points46 points47 points  (6 children)
    Asylum seekers stab Swedish citizens.
    Swedish government decides to protect Asylum seekers.
    You can't make this up, keep doing this and in 10 to 20 years citizens will have enough and it won't be pretty.
    [–]SwedenEldvasser 24 points25 points26 points  (0 children)
    25% of us already have had enough, and that number is growing every day.
    [–]chosenone1242 [score hidden]  (0 children)
    Asylum seekers stab Swedish citizens.
    Swedish government decides to protect Asylum seekers.
    You can't make this up
    They arrested the 2 fuckers who they think commited the stabbing and dont want innocent asylum seekers to be the victims in hate crimes. What do you find so hard to comprehend?
    [–]Confoederationis HelveticaeLejeune_Dirichelet [score hidden]  (0 children)
    It's their country, they do what they want with it.
    [–]SwedenIntelligentNickname 113 points114 points115 points  (53 children)
    They could just do a proper background check and not accept the mentally challenged instead. Two people whom the government granted asylum just killed two people of the host country as thanks. Obviously something isn't quite right here so the government should probably focus on keeping the civil population safe.
    [–]KevIreland 79 points80 points81 points  (10 children)
    They could just do a proper background check 
    Is it possible to run a background check on Eritreans? I can't imagine that their relevant authorities would be too cooperative.
    [–]snapunhappy 31 points32 points33 points  (7 children)
    Its impossible to run background checks on immigrants and asylum seekers, their governments aren't exactly corroborative.
    [–]Scotland!DeadeyeDuncan [score hidden]  (0 children)
    Corroborative also works. In cases immigrant says 'I have no criminal convictions', their originating country/government may be pretty bad at backing that claim up - not corroborative.
    [–]KevIreland 14 points15 points16 points  (4 children)
    You need a functioning government in place. Even then, no EU member state will repatriate an Eritrean. In Ireland, a convicted Eritrean rapist who the judge said is likely to reoffend, got a visa to remain upon completion of his prison sentence.
    If someone qualifies for asylum, it's next to impossible to deport them.
    [–]bahhumbugger [score hidden]  (0 children)
    So why accept them?
    [–]Englandsyuk [score hidden]  (0 children)
    If they could run a check and find that they're criminals, I'm sure they would happily agree to take them back to be dealt with.
    [–]JapanGuomindang 33 points34 points35 points  (5 children)
    not accept the mentally challenged instead
    Aren't they the most vulnerable though? Because apparently, the native treatment for East Africa's disproportionately many low-functioning autistics is to lock them in a cage with a hyena.
    [–]SwedenIntelligentNickname 13 points14 points15 points  (2 children)
    Aren't they the most vulnerable though?
    I didn't mean it in the sense of actually being mentally challenged, just that they were murderous cunts. But sure, they would be vulnerable, but then you would not give them the same freedom like the rest.
    [–]EU/Hungarypolymute 13 points14 points15 points  (0 children)
    If you could filter murderers before they murder we would be doing it with everybody. It's not doable.
    [–]Lithuania - FederalistShirinator 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
    just that they were murderous cunts
    And how will you select for those? Ask them if they think a group X should be killed?
    Go on, ask people at /r/islam if apostates should be killed? because those are young, "modern" people, quite a few of them are from Western countries... And they still discuss weather apostates should be killed (don't get me wrong, the fact that a lot of them don't think they should be killed, is a fucking good thing).
    [–]Bavaria/ HamburgneuroSplicer 2 points3 points4 points  (1 child)
    In that cage, are they telling each other jokes?
    [–]HamburgCorgy 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
    Well, hyenas do laugh a lot.
    [–]Estoniakalleluuja 11 points12 points13 points  (1 child)
    They could just do a proper background check and not accept the mentally challenged instead
    If by mentally challenged you mean poorly educated yet holding relatively radical religious and cultural views, then its going to be tricky one.
    [–]icecolding [score hidden]  (0 children)
    Just have them eat some pork.
    [–]Swedenxmnstr 19 points20 points21 points  (7 children)
    Most people who come from countries in war are going to have mental issues. PTSD is probably the most common one. What we could do, instead, is try to treat these people before they become a problem for society.
    Also, I'm not sure background checks are feasible.
    [–]Cucabanaan 10 points11 points12 points  (1 child)
    Sweden doesn't have enough psych-specialized staff to treat domestic patients. How would treating foreign patients be realistically possible?
    [–]Milkyjack 9 points10 points11 points  (1 child)
    Mbe u should just not take them at all?
    [–]Bavaria/ HamburgneuroSplicer 2 points3 points4 points  (2 children)
    Are background checks not part of the asylum process? It's not like they just get to come to a European country and live there for the rest of their lives.
    450,000 people may enter Germany this year. But not all of them will stay beyond mid-2016. Especially if Germany will finally declare Balkan states safe (as in there is no general basis for asylum like civil war in Syria. Individual cases may still be considered obviously but chances are drastically lower).
    [–]Sleswig-Holsteenbarsoap 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
    There's definitely checks as in does-that-story-hold-up, including assessments such as "is that the right accent for the region the person claims to have grown up in / lived", but in a case such as Eritrea, you can't do any more.
    This is not a case of, random example, American courts ruling about a couple that wants asylum because back in Germany, they can't homeschool. Germany is going to give you all the information, and accurately so, Eritrea? Is going to say "That's all terrorists, you should hang them as soon as possible". Doesn't make even sense to ask for information, that's only telling those assclowns where vulnerable people are.
    Seriously. Eritrea isn't that far from North Korea politically speaking.
    [–]Slovakiaintredasted 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
    Background checks in terms of qualifying for asylum.
    Getting a reliable medical background check of an asylum seeker is impossible.
    [–]Beengalas 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
    First, you can't do a background check. If you believe this is possible you have no clue how the system works. Secondly, we don't know if they were granted asylum. All we know is that they are in the process. Thirdly, we do already get mostly educated and relatively stable people here. It is not easy to get to Sweden and takes money, time and knowledge. The real poor ones are more likely to attempt to cross mediterranean sea and try their luck in Italy or France.
    [–]Kikki1345 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
    What's a proper background check?
    [–]SwedenSmartare 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
    2/millions
    [–]SwedenOldStarfighter 13 points14 points15 points  (2 children)
    Hooray to the adult-proof packed knifes.
    [–]European UnionSunCream 11 points12 points13 points  (1 child)
    My thoughts are with the people that move out from home and need a knife to open the package of their new knife... I guess they'll have to eat out. If all of them are forced to eat out more restaurants will open and more people will get hired. Now I understand how asylum seekers boost the economy in Sweden.
    [–]SwedenOldStarfighter 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
    Or everyone will start selling bundles: A packed knife + a safe scissors using which will take hours before you'll be able to get your knife out if its packaging.
    [–]European UnionHrodrik 45 points46 points47 points  (12 children)
    I have a feeling that the whole immigration thing isn't going to end well for Sweden unless there are many more efforts to interview immigrants and expel anyone that is unstable. And that includes being a hardcore religious idiot.
    [–]rimo 4 points5 points6 points  (1 child)
    That only focuses on the crazies. I also think the immigrants should not be allowed to all live in virtually the same location, and be forced to live spread out throughout the country. That way they'll have to assimilate.
    [–]European UnionHrodrik 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
    Agreed.
    [–]The NetherlandsGlennznl 12 points13 points14 points  (8 children)
    Now that is quite racist. /s
    [–]SwedenStickyballs96 5 points6 points7 points  (1 child)
    That would not be an /s in most swedish political debates
    [–]The NetherlandsGlennznl [score hidden]  (0 children)
    Because it's used to silence and satanize the opposition, it has no other use except shutting people up over feelings.
    [–]jeezaz 0 points1 point2 points  (4 children)
    non racist methods < good security
    [–]Portugalsazupt 25 points26 points27 points  (6 children)
    well, they are integrating like a charm.
    Who hasnt had a murder intention when roaming around the maze of wickedness they call IKEA?
    [–]FranceGrutte_Alk [score hidden]  (5 children)
    True, I can totally relate. Whenever my girlfriend brings me to IKEA I really feel like stabbing a couple of people with a Vörda utility knife.
    [–]BIG_GUY_FOR_YOU 72 points73 points74 points  (23 children)
    BOOST SECURITY FOR THE FUCKING NATIVE SWEDISH PEOPLE
    [–]sturle 44 points45 points46 points  (13 children)
    They have removed kitchen knives from that IKEA shop. That will surely solve the problem.
    [–]Different Coloured PolandjPaolo 29 points30 points31 points  (4 children)
    The only thing that can stop bad guy with a knife is a good guy with a knife!
    [–]Czech RepublicHonza8D 18 points19 points20 points  (2 children)
    Nonono, we must ban all assault knives! Only knife-freaks with small penises buy knives anyway.
    [–]GermanyHellstrike 1 point2 points3 points  (1 child)
    You would be surprised
    [–]United States of AmericaKestyr 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    Do you really need to cut a piece of meat when you can buy tyson strips?
    [–]LithuaniaSielgaudys 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
    If they would allow me to carry polearms or longsword to IKEA I could have saved the dude. Not to mention guns.
    [–]United KingdomFrankeh 37 points38 points39 points  (3 children)
    The only way to stop knife attacks is to give everyone knives.
    [–]HamburgCorgy 7 points8 points9 points  (0 children)
    ...says the National Knife Association.
    [–]United Kingdomedcuz 3 points4 points5 points  (1 child)
    ha "knife free zone"
    more like POTENTIAL MURDER ZONE. amirite?
    [–]United KingdomFrankeh 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
    Knives don't kill people, people kill people.
    [–]Bavaria/ HamburgneuroSplicer 15 points16 points17 points  (2 children)
    So as a Swede you're effectively banned from shopping for kitchen knives because two Eritreans murdered people with them?
    [–]VikingLandwiquzor 9 points10 points11 points  (1 child)
    only in that specific IKEA.
    [–]wonglik 21 points22 points23 points  (0 children)
    Let's pray they won't find different IKEA.
    [–]noobh4x0r 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
    ban assault knives /liberal logic
    [–]EnglandOsgood_Schlatter 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
    I'd imagine non-natives Swedes would like that too - the new arrivals are probably going to negatively affect them more than anyone else.
    [–]SwedenLindkvist15 32 points33 points34 points  (3 children)
    What the fuck do you want? Police at every section at IKEA because of one murder? Murders can happen at any time, which is tragic but still...
    [–]SwedenUnicorn_Rhinoceros 18 points19 points20 points  (1 child)
    He posts on /r/WhiteRights, that should tell you something about what he wants...
    [–]SwedenUnicorn_Rhinoceros 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
    ...or maybe calm down a bit and realise that one murder does not make the country unsafe. I don't need protection from suspects that have been arrested.
    [–]FinlandTaedaetae 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
    Why not both?
    [–]JapanGuomindang 49 points50 points51 points  (17 children)
    More letters from the world's most progressive country.

    I feel shocked. When I came down to the breakfast table today so I expressed anger that we will not deport murderers to Eritrea where they belong. My dad, my fucking dad started talking about that we do not know the whole story and that it is entirely possible that Norrland was the Nazis who attacked immigrants who acted in self-defense. "Yes mean, they were from the interior of Norrland"
    I feel that my whole image of him destroyed. I love him to death, but I will be heartbroken and afraid of the dark when I hear my own family members try to explain away the whole thing and avoid the fact that the murderers are immigrants.
    God damnit!!! I have gone from being a super liberal MUF up to a Sweden Democrat in four years. I did not think it would happen, but now it's damn. I am absolutely not a Nazi, genocide and jingoism, I take distance away. However, it has gone too far. Now the day has come when Swedes are murdered by foreigners at our land and people trying to seriously ask themselves the murderers page.
    I'm tired of being tolerant. I'm tired smile and hum when my parents / siblings talking about immigration as a profit business, and "just what Sweden needs". I'm tired of "mobile EU citizens". I'm tired of Islam. I'm tired of chaos blattar. I'm tired of the fact that I expected to love multiculturalism be because I grew up in an intellectual middle-class family.
    Congratulations to Sweden, I guess I have become death crack Nazi to the end. My thoughts are with the families of victims. Now I hope that scum must sit out their days in a Eritrianskt shit in prison. It is time for something radical happens in this country.

    Find myself in the same situation. Is the kind all points diametrically opposed to the media try to paint like the classic Sweden Democrat. Identifies me, although not as SD: are but I'm also very tired and dejected, and considering a vote in the next election to bring the other parties.
    Challenge my environment a bit sometimes, but keeping with SD in anything is still the ugliest thing to do in my family and acquaintances. Yet all live in central Stockholm or in the wealthy neighborhoods and work hard to segregate themselves.
    Damn, my parents moved even when I would start school because we lived on the outskirts of a municipality with very immigrants they wanted me to go with. Still, they are phasing and must compete to express their rejection of the SD appears on the report.
    The hypocrisy.
    The upper middle class flees unabashedly from multiculturalism and despise the open views of the working class and lower middle class who are forced to bear the consequences of it.

    Sweden is a country of mass psychosis. The entire population has for decades been conditioned that a question setting of immigration policy is the same as racism, and that it is our own racism that creates crime. That we have an obligation towards the entire world to accept worse living conditions for others to be better. It's ugly to have it better. Unfortunately, well-Swedes also very susceptible to the thinking.

    Uh, I'm a former left and will probably vote for the SD (although I really dislike people in SD), the next election. For less than a year ago, the support I voted in FI for left-wing majority in parliament.
    Should a party with the usual left ideology but with a bit of toughness and focus on the Swedish people and important issues exist, so had my voice got there. I can no longer stand behind the man-hating, Islam, worship, invandringsnaividiteten, "the good hatred", etc. I want a left that work for the poor in Sweden, not the weak in Europe, Africa or the Middle East.
    When the police's focus after yesterday's protecting asylum accommodations so I would just start crying. We nasty violent vengeful Swedes are apparently the biggest threat to Sweden. How many asylum accommodation has ever been attacked? Why do not the resources to teach the newcomers that we are no longer in Africa, and that huxflux kill others is actually illegal.

    I have ever since I was 12-13 years old had Sweden Democratic values ​​even though I did not know that the SD was. For the most part was my criticism of immigration, after having grown up in one of Stockholm's southern suburbs and seen how multiculturalism works in practice.
    In my family look different than in your OP. my mother is in SD as me, and for the right reasons. She (foreign national t.om) is neither a racist or fascist, but find just as many others that multiculturalism is not sustainable. My dad's pronounced Liberal Party, and the vote thus not SD. However, he harbors no grudge against SD and would like the government. This despite the fact that his family is also foreign, with a father who once arrived here as an unaccompanied refugee children.
    My point, hold the OP. Do not feel hated by foreigners in order to vote SD. We are here and vote with you, and we will be more.

    We have a prime minister who speaks about the fall we will focus on environmental issues. We have beggars in every corner.
    We have idiots with hand grenades howling around. We have idiots who dips a mother and son at Ikea with the knife. We have rape every other day. We have shootings. We have a government that sits like a bunch of bird feeders.
    And last but not least we have damn bad weather.
    Is anyone else out there who feel as I do that this country is about to fail completely?

    Has repeatedly stated that Sweden is beyond saving and that the country will crash totally within a few years. Left Gnomes and kindhearted PK [politically correct] idiots here on Sweddit says I certainly wrong, but what really goes against the trend? Swedish economy will be lowered a total of either immigration costs or that the housing bubble is ruptured, most likely a combination of both. What happens when we have a few million people without livelihood and all the essential functions been eliminated, one can only speculate, but until then, we have more explosions, rapes, senior abuse, tiggarbråk and public executions to look forward to.
    The only thing that really have made Sweden a good country has been social security. Remove it and what is left? Take the worst of the Middle East / Africa, and combine it with pissvärder 11 of 12 months a year and you get the future Sweden.

    The Swedes are compassionate, naive and moralistic.
    We get what we deserve.
    [–]United States of AmericaRaven0520 7 points8 points9 points  (1 child)
    So when can I expect to see Swedish History X in theaters?
    [–]PM_ME_UR_P4SSW0RD 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    Ikea style : they give you the reel, you have to edit it yourself.
    [–]Schönwetterfans, adé!DFractalH 12 points13 points14 points  (11 children)
    You know somebody really hasn't figured out the details of the political debate when he equates EU citizen immigration with tensions resulting from asylum seekers. Both have two vastly different motivations, legal background and problems attached to them.
    [–]JapanGuomindang 21 points22 points23 points  (5 children)
    His reference to "mobile EU citizens" i.e. "EU migrants" is the Swedish media's euphemism for the increasing numbers of Roma beggars that have become the subject of recent public controversy there. And he didn't equate the problems; he just listed it as one problem among many.
    [–]fluffleofbunnies 8 points9 points10 points  (4 children)
    Roma are an hilarious ethnicity. They can go anywhere and a single decade later everyone hates them. It's like clockwork.
    [–]SwedenEldvasser 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
    They started appearing here in summer 2012 and we already hate them.
    [–]Excavatetheinfo 5 points6 points7 points  (1 child)
    The problem with massive immigration from a vastly different culture is that it is an irreversible experiment.
    [–]SwedenTheSuperlativ [score hidden]  (0 children)
    That's not necessarily true, but going deeper into how to reverse it is actually scary. Also, the issue here isn't the immigration - it's the integration.
    [–]United KingdomSnagprophet 10 points11 points12 points  (1 child)
    You know, I used to think people escaping danger would be humbled, and not try to murder people from a different religion (ironically the same religion of the continent you're running away too)
    [–]Germanyoskomena 11 points12 points13 points  (7 children)
    So two foreigners attack people at IKEA and suddenly everybody is under suspicion? Really? How many Swedish or white people would have to do the same thing before anybody felt justified in disliking all of them as a group?
    [–]Theobromin 1 point2 points3 points  (1 child)
    Wow, I am actually shocked that I had to scroll down 10 comment threats to find somebody who is not indulging in an "Sweden has too many brown people and this is proof enough"-mentality. Thank you /u/oskomena !
    [–]European UnionSenseiSwag -1 points0 points1 point  (2 children)
    Don't bother. /r/europe, like most big subreddits, is full of frustrated people who want to scream their anger at the world out and find a good target in immigrants. It's gotten a bit better with the megathread, but I'm hoping the filter function comes soon so I don't have to read through this swamp of race war predictions and 'muh no. 1 issue' garbage anymore.
    [–]PolandRoku-ro [score hidden]  (1 child)
    Sure, we found a target, it's not like those things are actually happening and there are even statistics to prove that native Swedes commit much less crimes, but yeah, it's just racist us, it's not like they even call bandages racist because they are only white: http://www.friatider.se/svenska-plaster-ar-for-ljusa-anklagas-for-rasism Its all in our heads...
    [–]European UnionSenseiSwag [score hidden]  (0 children)
    First of all, I didn't call anybody racist, so stop whining. You are absolutely right that immigrants are overrepresented in not only Sweden's, but also many other countries crime statistics.
    What makes the difference is how you handle these statistics. Demanding that europe shuts down to all immigration, constructing race/culture war doomsday scenarios, throwing huge groups of people ('immigrants') into one pot, attributing violent behavior to race/culture/religion/ethnicity is what you'll find people doing in every immigration-related thread. And frankly, I'm sick of seeing this circlejerk all the time. We're not being brigaded as badly anymore but I don't see reasonable discussion happening either.
    [–]Polandmong_gei_ta 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
    I think that Sweden should in response to this incident invite more people to their beautiful country. Let other people be able to enjoy a civilised society, West shouldnt be selfish
    [–]LeCosmoscat [score hidden]  (0 children)
    When I first read the title I was like whoa this is a real tragedy. But then I read the article and realised that the attack took place in westeros (wierd spelling of westeros in the article?).
    Don't get me wrong, I still think it's a tragedy, but it could have been so much worse! Just be glad it wasn't a goddamn dragon swooping down eating the fuck out of everybody.
    For you not familiar with westeros, there's a great documentary series about the people living there.
    I haven't seen the complete series yet, but what I gather from the episodes I've seen, they appear to have rather big problem with criminality in that area.
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