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Ethics in hypocrisySelf-awareness reaches ZERO. Gawker says BLM shouldn't be blamed for the actions of a few and that it is not a formal group with entry requirements! (i.imgur.com)

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[–]Psemtex21k get 589ポイント590ポイント  (104子コメント)

What? Like #GamerGate?

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Irony, can you even?

also OP, archive of the original?

[–]theone89944k and /r/Gawker GET[S] 135ポイント136ポイント  (7子コメント)

https://archive.is/lb47C#selection-2799.26-2799.371

[–]DataLoreThrowawayCited by HotWheels 63ポイント64ポイント  (6子コメント)

HAHAHAHAHA!

I've been asking every SJW I've seen if, after the reaction and blowback from BlackLivesMatters, they have a new appreciation for and support for Gamergate.

Every single time they've instantly shut the hell up. Either that or openly admit to being hypocritical.

It's so damn satisfying to watch people's ideology implode.

[–]the_popcorn_pisser 31ポイント32ポイント  (1子コメント)

Oh boy, you should watch SRD running around doing mental gymnastics over this one since yesterday.

[–]hulibuli [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Just took a quick glance, holy shit the amount off bullshit they make to excuse their hypocrisy. "Nuh uh GamerGate actually has leaders but everyone involved are cowards that don't show their faces"

[–]specterofthepast 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

I am surprised that they admit to their hypocrisy. You would think they would have the experience of double think that lets them do the same thing with feminism.

[–]cantbebothered67835 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Don't worry, they'll forget all about it in a few days.

[–]SkyriderRJM [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Wait, they actually admitted it?

[–]sumpfkraut666 111ポイント112ポイント  (32子コメント)

unlike BLM though, those "few" that do bullshit are denounced by the rest of the movement and get no support.

This has been said often before, but we REALLY REALLY suck at being a hate group.

[–]derp0815 22ポイント23ポイント  (0子コメント)

Just as we do, difference is they got what, 2,3 batshit crazy harpies to denounce? Way easier. Let's see how that works with thousands of supporters on Twitter, because that's what's happening, people talking about why they should care if some "white guy" "couldn't finish his stupid speech".

[–]vonmonologue 28ポイント29ポイント  (28子コメント)

How do you know the rest of BLM isn't denouncing those women? Which BLM communities are you a part of?

Do you think the media would bother getting a second opinion on a story like this?

[–]DataLoreThrowawayCited by HotWheels 23ポイント24ポイント  (5子コメント)

I've been all over Twitter, and the loudest and most prominent members are simply divided on their support of these women.

On the other hand, the loudest and most prominent members of Gamergate all denounced harassment and threats.

It's a difference of proportion. Gamergate decided they were anti-harassment and anti-threats. They actively policed any possible inkling of this behavior. BLM has not only failed to do that, they've actively encouraged this behavior, as it's not just happened once, but twice! In addition, they now claim that they are the root cause of Bernie Sanders finally releasing his platform on racial justice (which, by the way, had been in planning for months beforehand with help from the NCAA).

It's a difference in proportion, as well as a difference in support. Gamergate openly and specifically denounces bad behavior, and BLM supports it or, at best, is split on the matter.

[–]TorchicBlaziken 6ポイント7ポイント  (4子コメント)

We're split on the matter too, judging by all the "fuck PR" posts.

[–]DataLoreThrowawayCited by HotWheels 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's not remotely the same as condoning harassment. Not caring about how our inside discussions look to the outside world isn't remotely the same as saying that we support threats.

[–]call_it_pointless 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

Fuck PR is about not controlling speech. We do anitharassment we do anti extremism because its the right thing to do not because of PR.

[–]TorchicBlaziken 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

I've also seen some people say we shouldn't be doing that either, but you make a good point.

[–]sunnyta [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

are there people around that encourage harassment?!

if so, fuck them

[–]sumpfkraut666 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well, good point there. All my "knowledge" about that is from second hand knowledge. I have seen a lot of crazy FB-posts etc, but that does not mean that there is a vaster majority out there condemning this stuff. My gut tells me the majority of them don't condemn this, but it's not like that is a good method for finding the truth. If I had to give a professional opinion on this I would need to do actual research, but since it is just a post on reddit I will let my opinion stand there until evidence surfaces that disprooves my point. Either way, have an upvote.

[–]CopyPasterinos -2ポイント-1ポイント  (20子コメント)

No true scotsman.

[–]vonmonologue 12ポイント13ポイント  (19子コメント)

So literally the same argument used to say we're all misogynists?

[–]WrenBoy 13ポイント14ポイント  (16子コメント)

Some people are pro GG because they appreciate consistency and intellectual honesty. Others are pro GG because they happen to dislike the people on the other side.

So it goes.

[–]Zealous_Fanatic 11ポイント12ポイント  (1子コメント)

And others are here for the dank memes.

[–]Combustible_Cucumber [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Please tell me you were looking out over an ocean sunset with Baker Street by Gerry Rafferty playing in the background.

[–]channingman -2ポイント-1ポイント  (13子コメント)

Nothing you can do about that except be clear about your message and call those out being stupid.

There'd be a lot more support for gg if you collectively as a group responded to blatant racism and sexism in your ranks the sane way you do to perceived ethics violations or hypocrisy. Not to say people who have racist views can't participate, just that those views have no place here.

[–]kaeim 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'd love to see some examples of our racism and sexism. So far, we've funded hundred of thousands of pounds/dollars into charities, have hundreds of LGBT members and minorites, have members worldwide with significant diverse views and willingly listen to all arguments on either side. I can't say the same for any antiGG people. They harass, dox, ignore and are some of the most hateful people I've ever had the misfortune of meeting

[–]WrenBoy 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Do you support BLM or are you waiting for them to get their shit together first?

[–]channingman 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh I disagree with their very premise, that we don't care about black lives that's the part that pisses peope off, the not so hidden implication that no one in America cares about black lives, that we're all racists.

[–]sirbeanward 2ポイント3ポイント  (9子コメント)

One person's "blatant racism and sexism" is another person's innocuous statement. We don't need that kind of slippery slope. I think we're better off, and have more integrity, not policing people's speech, living up to what we preach in terms of ethics, and sticking to our principles--one of which IS free speech.

[–]channingman 3ポイント4ポイント  (8子コメント)

Really? "Fuck those niggers," we should let that slide? Because one person's blatant racism is another person's innocuous statement, right?

Oh, no, that's not okay? We should tell those people saying that to shut up? Well then what about when someone says, "fucking black people, they bring it on themselves for being so violent all the time," should that side too? Or should someone say, hey you really shouldn't make categorical statements about people based on their skin color. Or is that censorship and a violation of their free speech? To say, "you're wrong"? So are you saying that any attempt at arguing is censorship? All ideas are equally valid and any attempt to dissent is censorship? I'm not talking about removing what they said, I'm talking about saying that you don't appreciate what they said and that you disagree with their views, and that their words are hurtful.

You can tell someone that their words are hurtful without being a sjw, and without censoring them. You can even say, I'd appreciate you not saying that or talking like that without being a violation of free speech. Our would you suggest that a father asking someone not to speak in a vulgar manner in front of his young children is censoring them (which I'd say he is), and therefore wrong (how the fuck can you say that?). If you agree that a father asking someone not to swear in front of his kids is okay, then your agree with censorship in some form. And if you agree with censorship in that case then you cannot categorically state that all censorship is wrong. And furthermore, asking someone not to talk about something in certain situations does not violate the principle of free speech any more than asking someone not to spout racist ideology in a private party is.

I'm all for free speech, but calling people out for racist/sexist statements didn't violate free speech.

[–]sunnyta [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

i agree with you, but it's hard to know where the line is to be drawn between critique and outright racism. i'm one who thinks that it's more than just PR to be civil and considerate; it's being a decent human being.

but unfortunately, there are edgy morons here that see "free speech" and instantly think of it as a blank cheque to be bigoted. it shouldn't be defended either. downvote that shit.

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    [–]Firesky7 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the No True Scotsman argument what "we're" accused of? (I try to refrain from "joining" any group- it limits objectivity)

    As I see it, their argument and the argument that misogynists aren't a "true" part of GG are the same argument. GG is accused of the NTS fallacy, not the opposite.

    [–]sirbeanward 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

    The No True Scotsman is, for example, saying that a self-proclaimed feminist who doxxs people isn't a "real" feminist because real feminists don't doxx. It's when you claim someone isn't a "real" member of a group because then they'd be an example of something negative about said group (essentially).

    GG is accused of using NTS (somewhat wrongly, I believe) if we claim that harassment given to people anonymously (Anita Sarkeesian, etc.) cannot be attributed to GG. People twist this to be an instance of NTS, because in their minds, they "know" it's GG, even though they don't use the hashtag, or when the hashtag is used, we look into that user's history--is it a sock, troll, etc.

    Hope that clarifies.

    [–]sunnyta 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

    this is what gets in my craw. with BLM and similar hashtags, it seems that there is implicit support for violent rioting. WHY? if one of the proponents tries to say something about it being a cultural thing i'm fucking checking out. it's beyond horrible and racist to think black people have to be violent. it's simply not fucking true. i know emotions are riding high, but these are the pivotal points that set a precedent. people should be deriding violent protest; we aren't in a totalitarian state, and this is not a coup. be civil, and encourage civility. push for police cameras. make a positive change. violence is not positive.

    [–]call_it_pointless [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    Its why its vital to base a philosophy or activist group entirely on principles and then apply those principles consistently. If you don't then rules are applied according to the whims of the most powerful. Its when MLK and ghandi and the like were at their best when preaching principle not revenge all counter arguments look awful and hypocritical.

    [–]HammableOfCarthage 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Bawker... they're nothing but chickens coming home to roost.

    [–]remeranAuthor 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Like gaming journalists.

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      [–]theone89944k and /r/Gawker GET[S] 320ポイント321ポイント  (51子コメント)

      I've messaged the writer of this piece telling him he indirectly summarized GamerGate.

      Please retweet this for signal boosting - we CANNOT let them get away with hypocrisy.

      https://twitter.com/TheDr3amMachine/status/630769296667463680

      [–]VkmiesFights for the Finnish 29ポイント30ポイント  (2子コメント)

      Blocked yet?

      [–]theone89944k and /r/Gawker GET[S] 20ポイント21ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Not yet...

      [–]Jack-Browser/r/TheCommentGraveyard 32ポイント33ポイント  (0子コメント)

      RT'd and followed, leader!

      [–]JosephND 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

      This will probably be attacked anyways.

      [–]SynesthesiaBruh 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

      I can't load the tweet, what's your twitter name?

      [–]theone89944k and /r/Gawker GET[S] 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

      TheDr3amMachine.

      [–]cantbebothered67835 [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

      "but BLM isn't filled with racists, sexists and right wingers!" - gawker.

      edit: no, wait, I got a better one from a ghazi below

      A somewhat fanatic pro-minority representation movement is very different from a somewhat fanatic pro-status quo/not so discreetly anti-women movement.

      [–]eyeballfrog [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

      I mean, nerds have always been a socially discriminated-against minority. Certainly not to the same extent as blacks, but one cannot deny that it happens.

      [–]Javaed [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      Well yes and no. True "nerds" will never have institutionalized slavery in our background, but how many "nerds" have been physically beaten because of who they are? I know I was. People don't want to think about that however, because even now it is still socially acceptable to discriminate against that group.

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          [–]Ghost5410 107ポイント108ポイント  (10子コメント)

          Because BLM is something they agree with.

          [–]mattinthecrown 51ポイント52ポイント  (8子コメント)

          Exactly, that's the difference. Well, that and BLM is mostly PoC, whereas #gamergate is at least perceived to be mostly white male.

          It's always fair to blame all white males for the actions of the few, regardless of the circumstances, you see.

          [–]SaltyChimp 21ポイント22ポイント  (2子コメント)

          The real "black power" people are no fans of BLM either it seems. They're no fan of feminists to begin with because they feel that and that feminists and lgbt took attention away of their oppression https://youtu.be/MBpu_MWxYtM?t=8m22s

          [–]tictacblackback 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

          I think you misinterpreted the video. He said absolutely nothing negative about BLM, he was talking strictly about LBGT.

          [–]thekindlyman555 14ポイント15ポイント  (3子コメント)

          #gamergate is at least perceived to be mostly white male.

          I don't think it's unfair to state that #gamergate IS mostly white and mostly male. It's when you ignore the fact that there are still tons of women and minorities in gamergate that you run into trouble.

          [–]Litmust_Testme 16ポイント17ポイント  (2子コメント)

          No, it's when you proclaim that you do or don't have to listen to someone based on their race, sexual orientation, and gender that we get into trouble, regardless of who's doing it. Even if GG is all straight white males, then what does it matter, does an idea or argument become any more or less wrong because of the physical characteristics of the person saying it?

          [–]thekindlyman555 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

          You make a good point, but what I meant was that erasing the minorities of a group in order to demonize the majority of the group is wrong.

          [–]Litmust_Testme 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

          I get that you are calling them out on their hypocrisy, and I wasn't really disagreeing, but I just wanted to clarify what they are doing as I see it. They are ignoring the "minorities" because to them, it's not what someone says but who's saying it that's important, and the assumption that (straight white male)=(this set of values) is taken for granted in their worldview.

          That it is intellectually lazy to demonize, stereotype, or refuse to engage with the arguments of any group or individual based on their physical characteristics is what I wish to call them out on. If they didn't do that then they wouldn't try to erase the minorities to begin with.

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            [–]achesst 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

            It's never been about having consistent standards for them. It has always been about protecting friends and vilifying anyone else.

            [–]theone89944k and /r/Gawker GET[S] 26ポイント27ポイント  (1子コメント)

            Yep, double standards doesn't apply to them. LOL.

            [–]LuminousGrue 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

            That's like a...quadruple standard.

            [–]richmomz 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

            Something something double-standards.

            [–]randomcallsign 152ポイント153ポイント  (6子コメント)

            Maybe BLM should get a new name and distance themselves from it!

            [–]Defconwargamesdisrespects mods 66ポイント67ポイント  (5子コメント)

            I sugest black panther. :s

            [–]SatelliteofLouvre 44ポイント45ポイント  (4子コメント)

            Leave T'Challa out of this!

            [–]novanleon -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            I understood your joke, but in case you weren't aware, the Black Panthers were an actual racially-motivated black nationalist movement active during the 60's and 70's.

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              [–]GigaWalrus89 53ポイント54ポイント  (12子コメント)

              Glad i'm not the only one who saw that. I'd say "way to be hypocritical Gawker", but at this point the most I can say is "Well, there's Gawker being Gawker."

              [–]KaBar42 12ポイント13ポイント  (2子コメント)

              We should make a petition to the OxFord Dictionary and every other dictionary company to make "Gawker" a synonym with "hypocrite".

              Example sentence:

              "That person claims to love all people, but in the same breath says all white people should die. And he's white! What a fucking Gawker."

              [–]GooberGobias 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

              https://twitter.com/MichelleDBeadle/status/621897821583577088

              [–]slimthigh 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Via the magic of descriptivist linguistics, We can do that. Just use gawker to mean that, a lot, and get all of your friends to use gawker in that context.

              We can make it happen.

              [–]I_knowa_guy 6ポイント7ポイント  (7子コメント)

              I vaguely remember Gamer Gate and am familiar with the BLM movement shutting down the Bernie rally. Would you mind giving me some clues to fill in the rest for someone who just stumbled upon this post?

              [–]vonmonologue 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

              GamerGate has a lot of bad PR because anyone can jump on twitter and say anything they want, throw a #GamerGate hashtag on it, and all of GG gets blamed for it. That's why we have a reputation for harassment and misogyny, even though 99% of GG want nothing to do with that.

              We were told that we were responsible for not policing ourselves better, and that since we're a group with open and fluid membership, we needed to take responsibility and blame for what people did in our name.

              BLM on the other hand apparently should not bear responsibility or blame for what people do in their name, because they're a group with open and fluid membership, and how can you expect them to police that?

              [–]AFCSentinel 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

              Basically the line from mainstream media about Gamergate was that the few people that are or claim to be members of GG that are harassing are reflecting badly on the vast majority that isn't and that it is therefore impossible to separate GG from harassment so all "fair minded supporters" should stop using the hashtag etc. etc. etc. etc.

              Then comes BLM and they are reversing their stance 180° from "the majority is responsible for the actions of the minority" to "don't blame the majority for the actions of the few."

              [–]TorchicBlaziken 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

              They both came around at the same time and the hypocrisy has existed since the beginning. A few weeks before "Gamers are Dead" Phil Fish was harassing people for not talking about Ferguson and making quips like "nuke all gamers".

              [–]GigaWalrus89 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

              Essentially, When Gawker began printing articles about Gamergate, it would use several tweets that included the twitter hashtag to vilify everyone who supported ethical journalism. However, when it comes to BLM, they insist upon these two individuals not being representative of the whole. It's a hypocrtiical position for Gawker to take.

              [–]CnslrNachos 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

              Gawker isn't a person. Has Hamilton Nolan been the author of any of the Gamer Gate coverage? I'm asking... I have no clue.

              [–]feralkitsune 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

              Valid question, honestly.

              [–]goonerh1 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

              Definitely a fair question, you can't blame the necessarily author but you can blame Gawker as a whole and the rest of the sites that have actively pushed the idea that we're all completely responsible for the assholes and buried any other views.

              [–]GooberGobias 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Amusing & relevant:

              https://twitter.com/MichelleDBeadle/status/621897821583577088

              [–]BT17K 62ポイント63ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Well shit, it's Gawker so I'm almost incapable of being even more angry at them. But this is just pathetic. This level of doublethink is just plain scary.

              [–]Damascene_2014 83ポイント84ポイント  (1子コメント)

              I literally laughed out loud and clapped my hands like a sea lion at this one.

              MY FUCKING GOD/SIDES.

              [–]whitman-price-haddad 16ポイント17ポイント  (8子コメント)

              I can actually feel it, I mean from just reading the article I can actually feel the authors brain twisting uncomfortably as it hits them square in the head like a mallet that the most obvious example of this is GG.

              [–]EmptyEmptyInsides 34ポイント35ポイント  (8子コメント)

              To be fair, has Hamilton Nolan personally said anything about GamerGate? I can find plenty to disagree with and criticize in his articles but I can't find anything specifically about GG.

              Gawker IS a formal group with strict membership requirements so I have no problem criticizing Gawker as a group (either any of their websites or the whole of Gawker Media) for any given article that gets posted. But I won't hold every writer to the opinions of every other writer, especially when it's apparent that they sometimes do strongly disagree with each other. I can't imagine applying this standard to people like David Auerbach or Erik Kain who write for publications that have also had very anti-GG articles and haven't exactly went on the offensive against them. I like those writers, but I also intend to hold the standard for writers like Nolan whom I don't like.

              IMO this article isn't really that bad. I mean, other than the remarks that Republicans pushing against Mexican immigration need BLM, as if Mexicans are now black people. What's much more concerning is the first and highly upvoted response which tells the author he needs to shut up because he's white.

              [–]theone89944k and /r/Gawker GET[S] 23ポイント24ポイント  (5子コメント)

              It's more so the fact that we've messaged Gawker and told them that the actions of the few should not represent the majority, yet in this case, they fully acknowledge it.

              [–]EmptyEmptyInsides -2ポイント-1ポイント  (4子コメント)

              So someone or some group at Gawker believes in collective accountability when it comes to GG, someone else - probably not the same person - doesn't believe in collective accountability when it comes to BLM. Maybe this guy doesn't apply that to GG, but I don't think we really know that one way or the other right now.

              As far as sites go Gawker is pretty homogeneous in its culture and opinions, it's not a giant tent like The Daily Beast, but you still can't expect them to enforce all writers, editors, etc having the same view on something like this. I doubt I'd have to look very hard to find two articles there that have opposing and irreconcilable viewpoints, that doesn't make anyone a hypocrite, it just means Gawker publishes opposing viewpoints.

              [–]theone89944k and /r/Gawker GET[S] 20ポイント21ポイント  (3子コメント)

              The thing is nobody at Gawker would even be allowed to say what the OP picture said if applied to GamerGate. And what happens when we message the editors at Gawker? (people who don't even write the slanderous articles), we just get more Gawker hitpieces against us.

              GamerGate is a topic where Gawker have written dozens of articles against us, and every time we point out, we're not given a response. So it's pretty clear that they do not adhere to their own standards.

              [–]EmptyEmptyInsides 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

              We don't really know for a fact that a Gawker writer would be barred from saying that GG shouldn't be held collectively accountable. The writers seem to have a lot of freedom in what they say in the articles. More likely that a person who believes something like that wouldn't want to write for Gawker, or wouldn't want to deal with the huge negative backlash they'd get from their readership.

              This guy saying that groups (at least groups like BLM?) shouldn't be held collectively accountable is probably not a Gawker standard or something the editors apply to their articles. It's probably nothing more than his personal opinion as a writer. If you can find that this is a part of Gawker policy then yes, you can argue that they're failing to follow their own rules. But I don't see any sign of that.

              [–]noisekeeperUnited the nations over MovieBob 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

              We don't really know for a fact that a Gawker writer would be barred from saying that GG shouldn't be held collectively accountable.

              They may not be barred from saying anything positive about GG. But they sure as shit haven't tried now have they?

              [–]zerodeem 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Gawker has editors, people in charge. They aren't ever going to run an article that goes against the narrative they're pushing because that defeats the purposes of creating and pushing a narrative.

              [–]monsieur7 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Gawker still claims to have one editorial voice, no?

              [–]Abelian75 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

              This is my thought too. It's so on point that it seems entirely possible he'd agree that this applies to GG as well. Note that this isn't incompatible with also thinking we're wrong for other reasons than being a misogynist hate group.

              [–]MagicMangoMan"szittya warior" 11ポイント12ポイント  (1子コメント)

              You can see the standards multiply with your very own eyes.

              [–]Longtymlurkr 12ポイント13ポイント  (3子コメント)

              If you think that's bad, ghazi is in full revolt and shutting down any dissident of their own users until the narrative is fixed lol

              [–]Spoor 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

              until the narrative is fixed

              you mean until their mental gymnastics have come up with a narrative to blame GG for that as well?

              [–]zaphas 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

              "It's clear that we need to have a community sit down about it, about how the community reacts to stuff like this, and just overall fixing our tone because jesus it's getting toxic."

              "This thread is going to be locked because this isn't for opinions, it's for us to tell you to cut it out."

              I laughed at that entire locked thread. First off, they demand that discussion of a current event ceases. Second, they want to have an entire community sit-down and figure out their "tone", because they apparently are unhappy that a lot of Ghazelles are now being considered racists by their peers. Lastly, they're going Iron Fist Dictator style in their subreddit.

              Glad this shit doesn't happen on KiA.

              [–]fourthwallcrisis 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

              If we're lucky their hugbox will get soggy from all those salty tears and collapse in on itself.

              [–]pivotalpawn 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

              I am much more concerned with the link on the side relating to "Pussy Affluenza".

              [–]Steampunk_Moustache 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

              Remember folks, shit-talking twitter posts are worse than looting and torching buildings, and shooting people in the street.

              [–]theone89944k and /r/Gawker GET[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

              So you can't debunk the comparison? Thought so.

              [–]balefired 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

              What the fuck is that post supposed to mean?

              [–]DeadGamerWalking 12ポイント13ポイント  (1子コメント)

              -∞ awareness.

              [–]monsieur7 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Awareness-chan, we love you

              [–]CaesarCzech 12ポイント13ポイント  (2子コメント)

              this not zero. This is -666 Awareness.

              [–]Defconwargamesdisrespects mods -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

              number of the beast

              ;)

              [–]xternal7narrative push --force 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

              -inf awareness

              [–]NikiHerl 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

              What's wrong with that statement?

              [–]kiaundelete [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

              Nothing. It's common sense. Common sense that's lacking when discussing gamergate where everyone involved is equated to people doing shitty things.

              [–]GamingBlaze 12ポイント13ポイント  (4子コメント)

              I love the smell of hypocrisy in the morning,funny how Gawker demonizes GamerGate for its bad apples but then says the opposite for BLM.

              Whose 'bad apples' rudely took over a political speaking convention and as a result earned the ire from everyone.

              Good ol Radical Left double standards,"do as I say,not what I do" or "it's okay when WE do it" are practically their slogans at this point.

              [–]Niwjere 11ポイント12ポイント  (2子コメント)

              Good ol Radical Left double standards

              FTFY. This isn't a political-left problem. This is an authoritarian problem. The political right's extremists do the same shit.

              [–]Kingoficecream 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Stop trying to inject nuance into this situation! Right = GOOD, Left = UNGOOD!

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                [–]DzhusyDzhuus [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                Good ol Radical Left double standards, "do as I say,not what I do" or "it's okay when WE do it"

                That's not a Left thing. The bevy of homophobic preachers in the closet or free speech absolutists suddenly wanting flag-burning banned make it clear the Right has its fair share of it.

                Rampant hypocrisy is probably one of the biggest problems with the entire political system at the moment honestly.

                [–]The_Killbot 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

                I actually had this discussion with a friend this morning. She made the point that we can't just dismiss the entire BLM movement for the actions of a few, no matter how idiotic they may have been. As much as I wanted to hate them, I had to concede the point, but made sure to remind her that that's what I said about gamergate.

                Although I still want to hear someone in BLM to denounce these idiots as well the college rally organizers who kicked out that reporter for being white.

                [–]BlutargA riot of fabulousness! 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

                I agree, we can't write off BLM. Though of course the people.who intrereupted Bernie are complete and utter tools.

                [–]nymphwash 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Someone change the gg wikipedia entry with this new information from this reliable source.

                [–]Cross_of_CoronadoSEA LIONING! BAM! 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                We HAVE to use this line in the future and always link to this gawker-article

                [–]Bhaldund_Ahldankasyn 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                http://i.imgur.com/aPgOCfA.gif

                [–]Sigma_J 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                But really, #GamerGate is about harrassing women

                [–]mrpeppr1 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                I have a very firm belief that if the vocal minority speaks louder the entirety of majority there is something serious to be said about that organization.

                [–]theone89944k and /r/Gawker GET[S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                The vocal minority of GG doesn't speak the loudest; it's the media that opposes us which solely reports on that minority, because they have a vested interest in doing so.

                [–]thatsadamnshame 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                People in that comment section are blaming Sanders. Holy shit.

                [–]rage-before-pity 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                The comments section reminds me of my anorexic sister calling me a "holier than thou fat ugly bitch" for opening the fridge.

                [–]Keiichi81 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                No entry requirements? Bullshit. I had to get THM to lvl 30 and ARC to lvl 15 and collect voidsent blood from a bunch of fiends in order to get in.

                [–]optimus_primate2 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                :#notallBLMprotesters

                [–]Xeuton 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

                I understand the hypocrisy of the statement, but is anyone seriously considering judging the entire BLM movement based on this?

                Because in that case you basically give up the right to claim hypocrisy without being a hypocrite yourself.

                [–]theone89944k and /r/Gawker GET[S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                I'm not, but if you looked on /r/all yesterday, many people did just that.

                [–]monsieur7 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                ALM. Oh, that's offensive, I apologize.

                [–]IMULTRAHARDCORE 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Holy shit Gawker just went Full Mcintosh on us.

                [–]IMULTRAHARDCORE 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Someone needs to put this side by side with one of their shitty explanations of what Gamergate is.

                [–]fluttersnipe 1ポイント2ポイント  (6子コメント)

                Please tell me someone in the comments mentioned this.

                [–]gossipninjaArmed with PHP shurikens 2ポイント3ポイント  (5子コメント)

                expecting the gawkerati to be informed

                constanza.jpg

                [–]fluttersnipe 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

                They can't all be so dense, or at least there must be that comment just to argue back.

                [–]gossipninjaArmed with PHP shurikens 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

                I used to be a gawker hate reader, but "the greys" caused those accused of wrong think to be all but invisible.

                Fostered groupthink and echo chambering

                [–]fluttersnipe 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

                "the greys"

                Is that the stupid star thing I used to read them talking about before? There'd be random "oh hey I'm starred now!" comments randomly.

                [–]gossipninjaArmed with PHP shurikens 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                sorta, it used to be you had the "common" commentator and "starred" commenters which was a meaningless badge.

                However some massive trolling on jezebel led to the "greys" where only "approved" comments/ers show under a story, unless a viewer opted to see "everyone."

                So you ultimately got a situation of some animals are more equal than others.

                that is why gawker comments appear to be a giant circlejerk...if you don't toe the line and fellate the author your comment doesn't exist for all intents and purposes.

                You could see how that creates the perfect scenario for groupthink, both with the commentariat but also with the publisher, as they don't see anything other than pre-approved praise.

                Now sites like verge have gone even further and just stuck their heads in the sand and killed comments entirely.

                [–]fluttersnipe [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                Wow that's how it works? Its not a wonder to me now as to why everyone seems to agree with the articles they're reading on gawker sites...

                [–]BukkRogerrs 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                If Gawker hadn't been so ludicrously, retardedly, hypocritically self-unaware, I'd have been surprised. This is consistent with their blindness to principles. Trash rags will always be trash rags.

                [–]shivermetimbres 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                I... Just... Can't even stand to read that drivel. Huh. Tell me more about 'Pussy Affluenza' though! /s

                [–]uncommonstupidity 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Ever noticed how it's mostly black women in BLM? There are 100 free/living black women between the ages of 18 to 45, for every 73 black men. Yet they have the nerve to make it about them.

                [–]sername- 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                I get the point of this post, but most people who believe in blm support Bernie sanders. They just wanted to be in the spotlight.

                [–]Spectrumpigg 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Dammit. Everytime I read BLM I keep reading it as black mage. Dammit FF14, you have corrupted me.

                This is what I get for playing video games!

                [–]dirt-merchant 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                should be tagged humor because gawker is more of a joke than ever

                [–]GOU_NoMoreMrNiceGuy 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                self awareness started at zero.

                i think it's heading towards negative infinity - threatening to collapse the cosmos into a supermassive black hole of obliviousness.

                [–]LOLWATERUDOIN [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                Someone help I'm out of the loop. What's gamergate??

                [–]doasar [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                Actually it's about ethics in police brutality.

                [–]Polygros [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                Wait, we should not blame everyone for the bad behaviours of some ? SHUT UP AND TAKE ME TO A SAFE-SPACE, HURRY

                [–]morph7 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                The Rise of The Planet of the Apes

                [–]wasonceyourmeal [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                Except when they honor Michael brown after a year and turn guns on themselves and police again. They're really on a tear for change!

                [–]SexualLucas [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                The real surprise here is that people pay attention to Gawker.

                [–]xoites [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                Alleged BLM Disruptor, Marissa Jenae, Admits To Being Former Palin Supporter

                [–]AlmightyCraneDuck [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                Ive actually seen people turn around from being "this is terrible for our cause" to "actually, now Sanders is speaking about racial inequality even more so it was the best thing to do" it's fucking ridiculous!

                [–]sotomoto [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                If you gave me a choice to get my real news for gawker or the onion, the onion would get my vote. Gawker doesn't hide its bias well.

                [–]mgod19http://i.imgur.com/nigrDxc.jpg 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                The doublethink, it hurts. I need to lie down.

                [–]Webringtheshake 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                LMAO xD ohhhh man.

                Shame we're all white men or we might have got the benefit of the doubt at well.

                [–]phukka 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                This is absolutely not new for the sub-human filth over at Gawker. They're probably more biased than the vast majority of racists in the world.

                [–]Rsdd12 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

                Well, it's not...?

                [–]theone89944k and /r/Gawker GET[S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

                You don't get it, do you?

                [–]XenoKriss 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                They really make it too easy.

                [–]Aurondarklord 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Gawker is just the low hanging fruit at this point.

                [–]henlp 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                D-d-d-DOUBLE-THINK.

                [–]Invin29 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Ahahahahaha this is gold. We should frame it.

                [–]no_dice_grandma 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Made me wtf harder than anything on the official wtf sub today.

                [–]apullin 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                So ... #notallblacklivesmatterprotesters ?

                [–]camarougeAnita is my waifu 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                >Blacklivesmatter is like Occupy

                Is that why Neo-Anonymous are basically just 4chan 16 year old SJWs?

                [–]SlipperyThong 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Holy fucking shit. My sides.

                [–]Rygar_the_Beast 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                At this point it could not be any more clear that this is all bullshit. They dont actually any points because all they have said that's bad is either a lie or crap they accept from other people.

                [–]Redpuppies -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

                notruescotsman

                [–]Agasthenes 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                I think thats right

                [–]AnghellicKarma 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Unlike the Tea Party, right, Gawker?

                [–]Trekky0623 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                I've noticed this on both sides: When opposing group members do something bad, it reinforces the stereotype in our minds we have of them and we use it as further evidence why we oppose them. But when members of groups we support do something bad, we engage in cognitive dissonance, explaining away their behavior as not representative of the group.

                [–]etiolatezed 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Yeah, I've seen the same people argue this that also invoked misogyny on gamergate as a whole.

                Very small percentage of people truly believe in the logic they use to make their arguments. Most just believe in their being right and the logic is a convenient tool.

                [–]Pinworm45 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Sometimes I just want to stab my eyeballs out with forks. I've seen too much and I'm not sure I can handle seeing more

                [–]DwarfGate 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Guys I only have two hands and I need a minimum of four for this facepalm.

                [–]Asaoirc 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                As I said before: they're not wrong. Its just a shame it took a group of (mostly) black people making complaints for them to say it.

                Some consistency would be nice.

                [–]Borattherobotrat 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

                I'm confused. What is the problem here? It's an excellent point. It's very odd a British white guy is upset at BLM. Can't be serious.

                [–]Unplussed 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                "People using the GG hashtag harass and attack women, so all of GG harasses and attacks women"

                That is their usually narrative. Compare and contrast.

                [–]MazeMouse 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Replace "Black Lives Matter" with "Gamergate" and Gawker just completely destroyed any argument they had against GG.

                [–]krispness 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                The point is that Gawker has argued the opposite in the context of this subreddit. Everyone has a good laugh at the irony and waits for Gawker to sink.

                [–]Borattherobotrat 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Ahh, excellent point. I stand corrected.

                [–]Gnokey 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                I honestly though gawker couldn't piss me off anymore. Oh well, live and learn I suppose.

                [–]SouthwestMuckraker 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                lol. This article made me laugh SO. HARD. Thanks for this, Kotaku.

                [–]TerryTerrorist -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Last I checked white people can't be a part of it.

                [–]cakesphere 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Every time I see "BLM" I think they're talking about FFXIV.

                I don't like that they're culturally appropriating the abbreviation of my main job class D:

                #BLACKMAGESMATTER

                [–]cirillios -4ポイント-3ポイント  (9子コメント)

                And a lot of people disagree with the movement for being a racist black supremacist movement. Fuck black lives matter, lives matter. This movement is just a different kind of racism and everyone putting superficial labels on people is causing more problems than anyone else. It creates animosity and division and no matter what your core principal is, if you're creating superficial divisions like this you're contributing to the problem.

                [–]theone89944k and /r/Gawker GET[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

                I disagree.

                [–]cirillios 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                I just personally believe that creating a movement identified on cultural differences is historically doomed to fail. Humans are social creatures and that biological predisposition causes us to have bias in favor of people similar to us. I agree with the racist targeting of minorities being a problem that absolutely must be addressed but I don't think stressing a separation of identities is going to bring positive change.

                [–]slendermon 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                I feel it's just the designated response the media and the elite want. They want it be a Black vs White issue to keep us divided instead of what it really is: an Everyone vs Blue issue.

                [–]Unplussed 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                The real problem is that all the hills they choose to die on usually end up being "good shoots", and also brings to light how completely the violence within their own community is swept under the rug when company comes to visit.

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                  [–]Limon_LimeSeven-37k Get. Eleven more drug deals. 48k Get. 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Like GG?

                  [–]monsieur7 -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

                  Ohh. Black Lives Matter is the new Bureau of Land Management.

                  [–]NewAnimal 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  or a sandwich missing a tomato.

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