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[–]Jonahrod20 596ポイント597ポイント  (186子コメント)

This is beyond wrong. You are saying that Bernie Sanders is the equivalent of a black woman (in the 1960's) trying to attend school in the deep south? This is what you are saying??

[–]sh33pUK 274ポイント275ポイント  (89子コメント)

I'm stunned that we've got to the point where people can put a bloke (who's generally had a pretty decent life, as far as I know) getting shouted at by a couple of radical kids at the same level as racial segregation. The userbase here seems to have lost all sense of perspective and gone completely mad.

[–]NeonRedSharpie 28ポイント29ポイント  (9子コメント)

Because Reddit is full of liberal 20 something white middle class males. Bernie is the current circle jerk.

[–]buriedinthyeyes 30ポイント31ポイント  (1子コメント)

"liberal"

[–]Bandolim 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Anyone who sees this as an apt comparison is definitely not liberal.

[–]IHateCircusMidgets 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

liberal 20 something white middle class males

The word you're looking for is "brogressive."

[–]LeifEriksonisawesome 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

*Lord and Savior.

Please respect Bernie.

/s

[–]Tundraaa 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

"liberal"

good one man, you almost had me there.

[–]Jagdgeschwader 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Very obese white middle class males.

[–]ihateoptions -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

liberal 20

Not for much longer. Reddit seems to be going very red lately.

[–]Smooth_On_Smooth 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah liberal isn't the right word anymore. Probably libertarian. Or "brogressive," I've heard that used before. Selectively liberal on things like weed or gays getting married. Those are pretty mainstream positions at this point anyway. Half of fucking Fox News is pro-legalization and pro-gay marriage by now.

[–]afroturf1 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

http://www.clipartbest.com/cliparts/dcr/6Xx/dcr6Xxdc9.jpeg And one for you!

[–]Eenjoy -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Literally no one has said what you people are projecting. The title of the post does not compare the movements. The commenters in here are not comparing what you and all the other people up voting this ridiculous projection are claiming.

The only people claiming this are too busy circle jerking each other to take it for face value.

She is a hypocrite for doing exactly what she claims to be fighting against. Both pictures exibit hate. It says NOTHING else.

Downvoted by the people at the bottom. Np, thats why the comments are down here. Again where are all the people making the comparisons you guys are all claiming are being made? Oh yea. No where.

[–]GruePwnr -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

To put it into perspective: Bernie Sanders marched with MLK, attended the I have a dream speech live, and was arrested at a civil rights protest, only to be denounced by an ignorant BLM protester as part of malice he has fought his whole life.

[–]xManwaxeRx -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Its not about Racial segregation its about unfounded hatred. The userbase here seems to have lost all sense of perspective and gone completely mad.

[–]butbabyyoureadorable 342ポイント343ポイント  (67子コメント)

I think OP is actually saying the black woman shouting at the Bernie is the same as the white woman shouting at the black woman. Which is just as stupid.

[–]Friendly_Fire 63ポイント64ポイント  (64子コメント)

Why is it stupid? You have two pictures where you can see the hate on someones face as they yell at another. The implication is that in both cases, their hate is due to the persons race (which as far as I can tell is accurate).

It's a comparison. Obviously there are many ways the photos differ, but you can still compare how they are similar.

[–]arjun10 130ポイント131ポイント  (26子コメント)

I find it laughably stupid to compare a young black woman trying to deal with the visceral hate that comes from racism at the end of the segregation, with a Senator of the United States government having to deal with two protesters.

Yes, its a comparison. And its one that lacks perspective, nuance, or any recognition of context and scale.

[–]Jonahrod20 20ポイント21ポイント  (0子コメント)

These people just don't get it. They are literally comparing the two and the sad thing is they don't see anything wrong with that.

[–]Friendly_Fire 5ポイント6ポイント  (8子コメント)

And its one that lacks perspective, nuance, or any recognition of context and scale.

See, you're still not understanding the point. The picture isn't comparing the targets of the hate, whose life situations differ greatly.

The picture is suppose to compare the people yelling, and their irrational hate due to someones skin color.

[–]Kim-Jong-Chil 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

Obviously it's about the hate, everyone gets that. you're the one not understanding the point. The choice of pictures suggests there is more to it. They are comparing a random extremist black protestor ignorantly protesting a senator to a women representing a history of ingrained and structured racism. Although the title is hate, and perhaps the OP would suggest that is all it's about. the two photos taken w/in context tell a wildly different story.

if there had been a variety of other photos showing similar expressions in other situations maybe you could make an argument, but just these two photos. come on

[–]Friendly_Fire -3ポイント-2ポイント  (1子コメント)

the two photos taken w/in context tell a wildly different story.

What is that story?

[–]Kim-Jong-Chil 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

As i explained, the first picture is a random black women who ignorantly protests a senator, the choice of the other picture compares that women to a historical, decades long, systematic oppression of an entire race

[–]arjun10 -1ポイント0ポイント  (3子コメント)

Why do you think the protester interrupted Sanders 'cause he was white?

[–]Friendly_Fire 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Maybe try rephrasing that, I'm not sure what you're asking.

[–]arjun10 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

You seem like you were implying that the protester against Sanders was protesting because he was White, and therefore it makes sense to have two pictures compare people being racist. So my question was why you think the protester was being racist, rather than simply having political disagreements with Sanders.

[–]Friendly_Fire 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The OP is definitely implying, as lots of other people are saying, that the girls from Sanders rally are racist. If you want to know why godisdead thinks that you'll have to message him.

[–]trebory6 -5ポイント-4ポイント  (0子コメント)

People are being ignorant on purpose I think. That's got to be the case, because I feel it's common sense given the title of the picture, that it's the hate on both girl's faces as they are yelling at someone which is being compared.

Hate is hate. Bernie didn't do anything to that woman anymore than that black girl did anything to that white woman.

[–]xtremechaos 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Both depict a person screaming at another person they do not know, solely because of the color of their skin.

Boom.

[–]Reverend_Russo -4ポイント-3ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's not about the Senator or the black girl trying to go to school. They aren't the subject of the comparison. It's about the hate feeling the people in the background have towards the Senator and the girl.

I don't think any reasonable person would think the struggles of a black girl trying to go to school in the 60 era Deep South is equivalent to being a white male senator.

Hate is the subject. Hate is what's being compared.

Like I always tell my racist friend Dave, hate people for what's on the inside, not what's on the outside.

[–]TerranBarron 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Your comparing the emotion without analyzing the meaning of the 'hate'. You're also claiming 'hatred' based on a facial expression...

That's like comparing my daughter when I tell her she's not getting a Frozen DVD for Christmas to the Little Rock High School picture. "Look, we're just comparing the emotion. It's the 'hate' that's being compared here."

If you take a step back and try to understand each picture...

1) You have a child screaming about the desegration of public school in Arkansas because of a extremely racist culture during hte 1950s.

2) You have a woman screaming at a poilitician who she feels is not representing 12% of the US population.

With a little bit of empathy, you can see how one picture is about racist hatred, while the other picture is about something much more complex.

[–]Jagdgeschwader -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Just because you have a shitty sense of humor doesn't mean OP doesn't have a point.

[–]ticsuap -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's put into its own context by the title. The title says "Hate" not "Oppression".

[–]trebory6 -1ポイント0ポイント  (3子コメント)

Ugh. But that's not what they're comparing!

Stop looking at the black girl and Bernie Sanders. They are not what are being compared.

Look at the hate on both the people's faces that are yelling. That's what is being compared!

If you still want to compare the wrong things in the context of this post, you might as well start comparing the fashion and say that the black girl was better dressed so it doesn't make sense to compare it.

Come on people, be smarter than this.

[–]arjun10 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

What the hell? You can't just separate "the hate on both the people's faces" from the rest of the photo, and the context of the photos. There is absolutely no logical or rational basis to do that.

[–]trebory6 -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yes you can. Why not? Just because you focus on the hate on their faces aspect, does not diminish the importance of either of the photos on their own.

(By the way, this is your chance to educate me, as I don't see an issue with my opinion. Instead of calling me stupid or a racist or whatever, explain yourself rationally. You don't know me, and therefor I'm a faceless internet username, but I assure you I'm not close minded and set in my ideology as long as you provide me with different points of views and ideas RATIONALLY and maturely.)

[–]arjun10 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

"Hate" isn't an emotion or feeling that exists in a vacuum; there is always a context. So when we see a picture of somebody looking hateful, we have to automatically ask "why are they feeling hateful". We don't do this consciously, its automatic, because that's the only way we know they are feeling hate, and not some other emotion. In other words, the larger context of the photo is absolutely critical to knowing that what we are seeing and comparing is "hate".

Now, for the OP photo, this comparison should fall flat on its face as absurd, because the feelings of the individuals who are yelling are completely different. It is not even clear whether the protester yelling at Sanders is doing so from a place of hate; people are just repeating the assertion that she is a racist with no evidence or reason, and assuming this is fair because we're looking at a picture that seemingly equivocates a picture of a protester yelling at a politician with a picture of a racist mob yelling at a black woman going to a desegregated school.

[–]sillylittlecorpse 24ポイント25ポイント  (5子コメント)

The hate is completely different.

The little girl is being yelled at because of her race. Bernie is being yelled at because BLM believed he has a platform and hasn't been utilizing it. BLM is completely misguided about that and the way the two protestors, if they can be called protestors, acted was despicable. However, this is not some issue of reverse racism and I think Bernie would be the first to say that.

[–]trebory6 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah that's what BLM's PR says. But judging by the fact that these girls called every white person at the rally a white supremacist, and the fact that Bernie is the only one who has a platform that is even close to BLM's agenda, AND the fact that pictures of them with racist shirts and pictures showing racism against white people, I think it's safe to say that these women yelling at Bernie are in fact Racist, and see him as an old privileged white man.

Edit: Ok. Present facts, get downvoted.

[–]FuckedByCrap -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

There is no such thing as reverse racism. Let the downvotes rain forth!

[–]hatestheinternet -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

Really? So why did those girls call every white person at the rally a white supremacist?

Care to fucking explain that one away? Oh wait, I suppose you'll just make another excuse about how it's not racist, even though she targeted people specifically on their race and nothing more.

[–]sillylittlecorpse -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't know those women nor was I at the protest in Seattle and I assume you weren't either. The more research I do though, the more it seems like they isn't ultimately even about BLM. I haven't seen an iota of mainstream support for the way the protesters acted, they have been uniformly called out on just about every platform possible.

This really seems more like an issue of insanity where two very irrational individuals deludedly pretended they were acting for a movement when they actually acted expressly against their own interests. I'm extremely wary of equating a huge organization and also an entire race of people with the misguided actions of two insane people who had no idea what they were talking about. Why would they protest Bernie? Bernie is by far the best candidate on equality. It says on Bernie's website he supports Black Lives Matters.

So no. I'm not going to take the their words very seriously nor am I, a white person, going to be offended and feel as though I am a victim of racism because no one should be giving their words any credence whatsoever. Their words are deluded and baseless and just because they said them on a stage for publicity, doesn't mean we have to keep giving them stages.

[–]Friendly_Fire -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

this is not some issue of reverse racism

Yeah, because there is no such thing as 'reverse racism'. It's just plain old racism.

[–]SaltyBabe 4ポイント5ポイント  (4子コメント)

Because the photo on the right is iconic and we (many of us) know the context. I guess I could ignore the context and simply focus on the fact it's a photo of a person being yelled at? Either OP chose this photo for more reasons than "hate" (because there are a lot of photos that demonstrate this with out any sort of racial innuendo) or they don't actually understand the importance and gravity of the photo on the right and what it actually is about.

Boiling it down to hate then using an explicitly racist photo? You really don't get why the symbolism in the photo on the right is an inappropriate simile to the photo on the left?

[–]Friendly_Fire -2ポイント-1ポイント  (3子コメント)

Boiling it down to hate then using an explicitly racist photo?

I'm pretty sure the OP, and many people, are directly calling the girls from the left photo racist. You're acting like they were trying to sneak it in, that is the point.

You really don't get why the symbolism in the photo on the right is an inappropriate simile to the photo on the left?

No I don't.

[–]SaltyBabe 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

If you don't pay more attention in history or maybe take a refresher course.

[–]Friendly_Fire -3ポイント-2ポイント  (1子コメント)

My favorite way to dodge an argument. "Shit they actually asked me to explain my point. Better just tell them to educate themselves!"

[–]SaltyBabe 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

What did you ask me? You made a statement not a question.

[–]logicalthinker1 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's truly remarkable that literate people cannot understand the simple comparison being made. If you ever wondered what kids fucked up the analogies part of the SAT, look no further.

[–]hatestheinternet -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, it's kind of ridiculous at this point.

You can't compare things unless they're exactly the same according to reddit. It literally has to be the same situation or someone will argue with you.

[–]junk_science 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

The picture on the right is in the context of integrating schools. Beyond the 'hate' and 'yelling' comparisons, there is a whoooole lot of context that is incongruous. It's why people think the image is fucking dumb.

[–]Friendly_Fire 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

Yes, not everything is the same in an analogy. That's why it isn't the same picture next to itself.

[–]junk_science 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

Analogy is a comparison of two things for the purpose of explanation. If you're just trying to make a comparison between two events of people being angry because of race, one of the events should probably not have another whole huge context that makes the comparison confusing.

If the purpose is to piss people off by comparing two incomparable events, then it's great. My money is on the person who made it not giving a fuck and not understanding the context of either event.

[–]Friendly_Fire 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

that makes the comparison confusing

It's not confusing unless you're being intentionally dense.

[–]junk_science 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's one of the most famous and recognizable images of discrimination, but whatever everyone should focus on just the white yelling lady and totally ignore everything else.

I'm looking at the comparison critically, not defending a shitty image because I dislike the people who yelled at sanders.yelled

[–]Friendly_Fire [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It's one of the most famous and recognizable images of discrimination racism

Which is why the OP used it.

[–]MosDeaf 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Those examples were picked to elicit a specific response, which relies on the connotation of that picture. You can't rely on a photo's history to make the comparison striking, and then claim the history behind the photos shouldn't be what's discussed.

[–]IneffibleGiraffe 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

The black woman shows anger, the white woman shows hate. It's in the eyes.

Source: I watched Lie to Me all the way through twice. But seriously, there is a key difference in the eyes of they two. I don't think it's the angle of the photo either. The black woman is angry with the system she thinks Sanders is a party to, while the white woman hates THAT black woman. A bit different.

[–]Friendly_Fire 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well I'm guessing the OP didn't see that, whether you are right or wrong.

[–]DanGliesack 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

You don't understand the difference between someone protesting a political rally and someone protesting another person's right to live their life?

[–]Friendly_Fire 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

You don't understand that hating people for their race is an issue, even with different circumstances?

[–]Smooth_On_Smooth 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Those girls didn't hate Bernie for being white though. I mean, I don't doubt that they are racist against whites, don't get me wrong, but they weren't up there interrupting the speech because Bernie is white. Like that literally was not their reason. Their actual reason is stupid as well, but it's not the same.

[–]54338042094230895435 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think he meant that it is stupid that the people in both images are yelling.

In other words the reason the black woman is yelling is just as stupid as the reason the white woman is yelling.

[–]DJGiblets -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

People are trying to defend OP by saying all this shows is "hate," but I think you have to be incredibly generous with benefit of doubt to not believe that they are trying to make a broader claim about radical "SJWs."

We might as well post some pictures of Nazi soldiers yelling at enslaved Jews to really tie it all together and show how "hate is the same." If hate is really all the same, why hasn't it ever been that /r/all was topped by pictures of Fred Phelps submitted to /r/punchablefaces?

[–]Friendly_Fire 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

You know how many times West Borrow Church has been to the front page of reddit? (Hint: A lot) So... great comparison.

[–]DJGiblets [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

/r/punchablefaces

There are multiple top posts that are just reposts of her face. On the surface, people say they hate Fred Phelps, but he isn't met with the same vitriol

[–]My_Phone_Accounts -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think he meant both people screaming are as stupid as each other.

[–]Bandolim -2ポイント-1ポイント  (3子コメント)

The similarities are overwhelmingly outweighed by the differences, making it an ineffective comparison.

[–]Friendly_Fire 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

Analogies aren't about counting the number of similarities versus the number of differences. If their is any meaningful similarity, you can draw the analogy. In this case the OP is saying the hate driven by racism is common point.

[–]Bandolim -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's for this reason why you don't compare someone to Hitler if you want to illustrate an effective point. Making the comparison brings with it a lot more baggage that renders the comparison ineffective.

[–]Friendly_Fire 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's pretty subjective whether the image has too much baggage for the comparison.

[–]RoNiN-01 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm going by what I see in each person's face. In one, I see hurt mixed with hate. In the other I see distasteful hatred for no reason. They're both stupid, but one is more stupid than the other.. Though I don't think that really matters.. Just random thought.

[–]babyakita 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's not hard to tell but say it louder for those who can't hear.

[–]read____only 19ポイント20ポイント  (0子コメント)

No. It wasn't titled "Oppression".

[–]NotExecutable 22ポイント23ポイント  (10子コメント)

The picture is a juxtaposition. It's trying to show how absurd the unfounded hate against Bernie Sanders really is, by putting it next to a scene of the 60s.

It's not a comparison in the sense that Bernie Sanders has to go through what the black women went through. It's showing that the protestor ultimately committed the very act she fights against.

The collage is not meant to belittle either instances of racism*. At least, that's how I understood the post.

(* I think it was racist to shout at and silence Mr. Sanders like that. The reason apparently was, that he is a white man in power. From what I learned about Mr. Sanders, it seems that he always had a anti-racist attitude. Even in times where that was a dangerous believe to communicate)

[–]heidismiles 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's not a comparison in the sense that Bernie Sanders has to go through what the black women went through.

Yeah well then OP should have chosen a more appropriate picture to compare with.

[–]CantBelieveItsButter 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

do you really think those two women hate Bernie Sanders to the same degree that white people in that second photo hated the fact that a black girl was going to school with their kids? How do you even know they hate him? Because the girl doesn't have a smile on her face? Cause she's showing a strong emotion? He's a white man in power who they believe hasn't addressed the issues that they feel are important to black people. Poor execution sure but not as simple as "HURR DURR THEY HATE BERNIE CUZ HE'S WHITE. BLACK PPL R RACIST TOO, SEE"

[–]DifficultApple 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

I see the type of comment you're responding to a lot on reddit. It's almost like a meme where someone smugly tells you not to compare things. Eventually we will never be able to compare similarities of anything that isn't an exact clone.

[–]oblivioustoobvious 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

I notice this too. So many people here saying the two pictures cannot be compared.

I would like to think those people are simply misunderstanding the comparison being made and think that, for example, here they think the OP was trying to say Sanders is feeling the same hate that an African-American felt during the '60s when that isn't the case.

[–]05bella1 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

But why make a comparison on 2 cases of hate, which are in no way similar too each other... what is OP trying to say?

[–]xManwaxeRx 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

"Your hundreds of years of slavery isnt comparable to our thousands of years of slavery" - The Jews.

Is this what you're talking about?

[–]belvedere58 -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

It wasn't the 1960s. 1957 was the year. I'm surprised Elizabeth Eckford and the Little Rock Nine aren't better known among supposedly educated Redditors.

[–]NotExecutable 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

My knowledge of us history is limited to what I picked up on Reddit and YouTube. Sorry for that.

[–]Bandolim -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

It wasn't meant to belittle either instances of alleged racism. It was meant to elevate an instance of a U.S. Senator getting heckled at a rally to that of the racism against black people during the 1960s. It's ridiculous.

[–]belvedere58 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

1957 was the year. I'm surprised Elizabeth Eckford and the Little Rock Nine aren't better known among supposedly educated Redditors.

[–]akuaman23 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes. There's no difference.

[–]NBPTS 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

1957

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[–]bluesnack 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The title is hate, not oppression. This is about the two women in the pictures hating someone because of the color of their skin.

[–]vandebay 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Read the title

[–]dajamflowman -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

They are both being yelled at by racist...

[–]WizardofStaz -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

No you don't get it, being yelled at by a couple of black women while surrounded by political supporters is LITERALLY JIM CROW.

[–]Jarl_Bridgewater -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

What a ridiculous picture. Who upvotes this shit.

[–]Jonahrod20 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Exactly. I can't believe they are comparing Bernie Sanders to that picture. My god.

[–]BrogueTrader40k -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

You're outraged because you think you have to be.

[–]bokuza -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

So one type of racism is worse than the other.. Thats why this equal rights thing is kind of at a stand still. It needs to stop at every color my mang.

[–]aSc4rYGh0sT -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm pretty sure what OP is saying is that Bernies Sanders is the equivalent of a person calmly walking along while a racist is shouting at them.

[–]padlox -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

An analogy doesn't require things to be equivalent. That's why it's an analogy.

[–]HighRi12 -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

You are thinking way too deep in this, OP is just saying that it is hate.