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US Green Beret killed, another wounded in Taliban attack on Special Operations base in Kabul, Afghanistan (nwfdailynews.com)

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[–]therealrickgrimes[S] 54ポイント55ポイント  (24子コメント)

The name of the fallen soldier has been released.

[–]jdw101 19ポイント20ポイント  (23子コメント)

Always brings a sting to the conversation. How is it that so many of our vets have died or have been maimed over there without any real improvement? The new way wars are fought just seem impossible. Note: I have never been in any military and am mid 40s so I have no fucking idea what I am talking about, just wondering.

[–]gnovos 25ポイント26ポイント  (1子コメント)

I have never been in any military and am mid 40s so I have no fucking idea what I am talking about

That's ok, that's just about the same credentials as the people who sent us to war in the first place.

[–]jdw101 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

That is truly sad.

[–]Ad-dy_ 10ポイント11ポイント  (16子コメント)

The new way wars are fought just seem impossible.

We still employ a lot of old school tactics. The Army Infantry 7-8 manual which is the bible for infantrymen still goes over entering and clearing trenches as part of standard training operations. Which could still be relevant today even though you may dismiss it right now. While it could use a few battle drills added to the manual for the most part on ground battle will remain the same until technology improves and are still part of standard training for infantrymen.

Battle Drill #7a: Enter/Clear a Trench (Squad) (7-4-D111)

Battle Drill #6a: Enter a Building and Clear a Room (Squad) (7-4-D109)

Battle Drill #5a: Knock Out a Bunker (Squad) (7-4-D107)

Battle Drill #8: Conduct Initial Breach of a Mined Obstacle (Platoon) (7-3-D112)

Battle Drill #7: Enter/Clear a Trench (Platoon) (7-3-D110)

Battle Drill #6: Enter and Clear a Building (Platoon) (7-3-D108)

Battle Drill #5: Knock Out Bunkers (Platoon) (7-3-D106)

Battle Drill #1: Conduct Platoon Attack (7-3-D101)

Battle Drill #4: React to Ambush (platoon/squad) (7-3/4-D105)

Battle Drill #3: Break Contact (platoon/squad) (7-3/4-D104)

Battle Drill #2: React to Contact (Platoon/Squad) (7-3/4-D103)

We have a lot of great technology but when it comes down to the soldiers on the ground, we have guns, body armor, and training. And in hopefully air support when we need it. My time in Iraq was nothing like you would imagine modern ground fighting to be. I also suggest checking out /r/CombatFootage (nsfw) to see for yourself how down and dirty it really is.

[–]proROKexpat 12ポイント13ポイント  (12子コメント)

A special forces Major managed to maintain an entire valley with just 12 men. He dressed, and worked with the tribal leaders, they threw away their Army uniforms and became 1 with the culture. Their mission was successful however the Major was fired cause he was caught drinking alcohol in the village with his wife. (Like the locals didn't care, he got reported by another Army officer) he had developed whole new tactics to kick the taliban up. His idea was to intergrate US forces with the locals, and help the locals kick the Taliban out.

[–]fargin_bastiges 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thats not new, thats exactly what Special Forces are trained to do and have done for decades.

Edit: T. E. Lawrence was doing this in WWI and is the one largely credited for developing modern Special Forces tactics.

[–]Arlieth 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

That's a fucking travesty, but unconventional tactics and strategies often get shit on by career officers looking to make a name for themselves. I forget the pejorative term for them.

[–]Mr_Illuminaughty 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Are you ref Maj Gant

[–]surreptitioussloth 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

What you just describe is literally the Special Forces' jon. The only part of that that's weird is that it was a major. Usually even captains don't spend very much time in the field in Special Forces. Do you know what the major's name was?

[–]drunkenmormon [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Maj Gant. http://indiancountrytodaymedianetwork.com/2014/07/13/going-native-why-bin-laden-wanted-major-jim-gant-dead-155782

[–]surreptitioussloth [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It looks like he was busted for a lot more than just drinking. Special Forces walks the line, and it looks like he took it a step too far, at least in the eyes of his commanders.

[–]avpthehuman 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

Vietnam was a total quagmire, my father fought there. We lost many servicemembers there and we killed millions of Vietnamese. I do not condone that war... Yet now, Vietnam has a more positive view of America than Americans do. Many of my friends (most of them Vietnamese Americans) have traveled to Vietnam. It is a lovely place to visit and to live.

I only hope that the future holds a world where Afghanistan is free of the tyranny of the Taliban. And my children have many friends who visit Afghanistan to enjoy all it has to offer.

[–]placeo_effect [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Right, the tribal warlords are just going to disarm and the influence from Pakistan and Saudi Arabia is magically going to go away. America has done so much to help bring about this change diplomatically. I love your outlook on life.

[–]jdw101 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

My dad also was in Vietnam, drafted. I like your vision, I hope it turns out that way.

[–]ParkaBoi 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I watched the documentary Bitter Lake over the weekend. It gives a great insight into what has happened in Afghanistan.

[–]DrankTheBongwater 52ポイント53ポイント  (53子コメント)

Countless dead and $2 trillion dollars spent, and what have we gained? Its absolutely futile and counterproductive to waste our blood and treasure occpying this vast, mountainous country with an alien culture on the other side of the world to accomplish absolutely nothing. Its simply hubris that keeps us there, just like Vietnam. The pointy heads in Washington just can't admit that they aren't all powerful and cannot control the entire world, even if it means draining our country dry of money, morality, and young people's lives.

[–]stephen_1975 44ポイント45ポイント  (40子コメント)

I remember seeing in some documentary that said that a lot of people in Afghanistan have never even heard of 9/11, and have no fucking clue why the Americans are even there.

All they are doing is fighting back against the foreign invaders.

[–]Huge_Middle_Finger 10ポイント11ポイント  (35子コメント)

And we were in the wrong damn country. OBL was hiding in Pakistan, and the 9/11 hijackers were mostly from Saudi Arabia.

[–]philly4678 23ポイント24ポイント  (0子コメント)

At first OBL was in Afghanistan. I can't link at the moment but look up Operation Anaconda

[–]coding_is_fun 14ポイント15ポイント  (2子コメント)

At the time it was the right country and the right thing to do but it was done half assed and wrong and ended up in a huge fucking mess.

He was there and the Taliban which had invaded and taken over the country in the previous decade were allowing him safe sanctuary in 'their' country.

We tried to negotiate for him being turned over but they wanted him tried in a local court (meaning Islamic) and we said hell no which makes sense...so

We are faced with going in after him and instead of throwing 1000-2000 elite troops with 10000-20000 back up personal to support it all we half assed it and hired some locals to try and get him and sent some special ops guys to help them.

Well OBL got the heads up and fled deeper into the mountains and eventually escaped into Pakistan but we could not be certain so...

Next we fuck up more and decide to punish the Taliban despite that being 1000x harder than simply trying to kill OBL.

We spend the next decade kicking the Taliban's ass and the local Afghans were sort of happy with that sometimes and sometimes not depending on what else we did/enforced.

The Taliban however are in this for the long haul, meaning centuries not a decade so they wait for us to tire and of course we do. Then we start making shitty deals with them and leave because we can't do this for a century and everyone know it. So now the Taliban move back in and oppress millions of Afghans and the world says "Oh well".

The only way out and to win and get Afghanistan back to the point it had been in the early 1970s is for the entire world to help out and beat back the barbaric thugs and this will take multiple decades to convince them to stay the fuck out...the world has yet to do it.

Same thing is happening with ISIS and the world is sort of just saying "Hrmm that sucks for all those people..."

[–]sandsofthyme 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

We had to use locals because we didn't even have a general lead where OBL was. All we had was a general guess of a clue of where he could be. If anything we should've taken things a bit slower.

Mobilizing as many troops as you suggest would have tipped him off way sooner.

Hell, he got away by using his driver as bait which our spec ops dudes fell for. It wasn't a question of numbers.

[–]coding_is_fun 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I understand that we had to use locals for knowledge but hindsight being 20/20 we should have massed as many friendlies as possible to cut off escape routes then once in place made the move.

It worked out badly is all :(

[–]chubbybuta 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

OBL was in Afghanistan in 2001. Delta Force under a major who wrote a book about it, went after him, but PONTUS, aka Bush during that time, rejected them from going further in the mountains.

[–]nicholsml 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Delta Force under a major who wrote a book about it, went after him, but PONTUS, aka Bush during that time, rejected them from going further in the mountains.

Wise decision (...and I fucking hate Bush). I was there in 2004 in army aviation. Those mountains you are talking about... they're a fucking death trap. Early on with limited resources and such... every single DF member they sent remote would have been slaughtered. The mountains and ridges are fuel and communication destroyers. Fuck, some of our aircraft couldn't fly over them properly and had to be sent to Iraq... but hey, you want results so let's piss away a couple of hundred of lives and still get nothing! There is nothing more the Taliban fuckbags would love more than an impulsive dickbag shitting lives. I've seen marines throwing their lives away for city blocks and you think we should have thrown even more away for some bullshit pipe dream? Fuck that and fuck people who don't know what the fuck they are talking about.

Hell I worked with a lot of SF guys when I was there and they are bad ass, but they have limits. Sending them in early is great, but sending them in early deep into hostile remote territory.... yeah they would have been fucked. Would have been throwing lives away.

[–]stephen_1975 5ポイント6ポイント  (28子コメント)

Yep. And it's a bad place to be.

Let world history be the lesson.

The place is known as the Graveyard of Empires for a reason.

You guys need to just GTFO of there and forget they exist, and let them forget about you.

Think Vietnam or Iraq is a problem? You will never, ever manage to dominate or subjugate these people. They will never stop fighting back, the insurgency will never end. It's just their nature. They fought off the worst the Soviet Red Army could throw at them, until Russia just said "fuck it" and gave up.

That's badass. They might not be as skilled in a modern military sense as U.S infantry, but these are some hard fucking people.

I'd just say sorry and go home, if I were you.

It's not worth the resources.

[–]0Fsgivin 4ポイント5ポイント  (27子コメント)

well...If we wanted to really put the screws to em we could. We still fight one hand behind our back.

Its like this and im not necessarily advocating it. If you want to dominate em? Send in a small unit to watch over a town. Lone soldier hurt or killed? You raze the town. Every building every goat all of it. You can leave survivors but leave them with nothing. Burn the crops never give aid or medical supplies. Don't let the red cross or anyone else.

Very quickly you would notice a dramtic shift first in local than national politics in that region.

You know why? The fucking muslims have already used those tactics and now control the region.

[–]sandsofthyme -1ポイント0ポイント  (11子コメント)

Problem is that your raze and mass murder approach falls short and becomes very expensive when the US has to forcibly hold a land logistical route.

Also, we kind of rely on locals to fight/act as police. If we go full evil, we will certainly lose that and be at even more risk.

[–]cleaningotis 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

"All they are doing is fighting back against the foreign invaders."

Obviously an extremely simplistic way to describe the most complex type of conflict. There are hundreds of thousands of Afghans that are apart of Afghanistan's most highly respected state institutions (paid for, and trained by the U.S. and international community), fighting against an insurgent organization that has no real vision for the Afghan people and failed miserably to govern the nation when they had the chance. The Taliban and their extremist ideology is foreign enough to Afghans that they are fighting and dying by the thousands each year to keep them out of their communities and confined to remote areas.

[–]chubbybuta 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Think of this: Lack of newspaper, lack of schools, lack of roads, lack of internet, lack of telephones, lack of TV's (if they have one, they would be watching Korean drama or Iranian comedy shows because I did catch my Afghan general I had a meeting with, watching a Korean drama dubbed in Persian...seriously!

It's no different from some dumb blonde in California who's entire world is isolated in iphones, who's the cutest guy, and what's the latest style of clothing -- doesn't know who the president of the US is.

[–]Cytosen 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not even just Americans, 35 other countries had infantry units in Afghanistan.

[–]zehuti [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I was in a compound a few years ago where the inhabitants thought we were Russians. Not even joking.

[–]lolmanlee 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

The cost of war is too high, the trauma and pain for those who fight and the civilians are unimaginable to us. There's no point complaining now; many of us supported the U.S. attacks into Iraq and Afghanistan because it appeared we were fighting for a good and just cause.

Maybe the way we went about the wars were bad and the results we see is also disheartening, with ISIS rampaging across Iraq and Syria.

But i remember reading an article on national geographic before IS emerged and the U.S. troops there just evacuated. People were optimistic and even glad of the U.S. efforts there. Sadam Huissein may have provided stability in Iraq but how he achieved it was far too violent and despotic. In the end, a dictator was overthrown and the future of Iraq was given to the Iraq people. Things did seem hopeful until the election of a Prime Minister who was biased and so the troubles of a fragile nation brew again.

But we should remember there was some success in Iraq and hopefully Afghanistan and stand strong. The Tablian have begun negotiations with Afghanistan and relations between Pakistan and Afghanistan appears to be improving, albeit slowly. There is more competency within the Afghan army, some proud of their service to protect their nations.

Perhaps the 2000s war in Afghanistan and Iraq is a failure, it's impacts not yet fully seen. But the rise of ISIS was a accumulation of many events, and Iraq did appear hopeful to recover for a period of time. Afganistan has shown some progress, and the brave and tragic lives lost among the servicemen and the people of Afghanistan may not be futile, at least I hope.

[–]chubbybuta 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

We just left "officially" at the end of 2014. What that means is that the numbers we have remaining is not much larger than ones we have even in Kyrgystan or Pakistan separately at the moment. The remainder are advisors, mentors, and trainers for ANA/ANP/Afghan Border Police (Special Forces, aka Green Berets have been tasked to train as they have been since WW2) -- just like we got advisors in the UK, Korea, and around the world. This has been planned more than 8 years ago when I was an advisor to an ANP general and that withdrawal was planned under Bush. Our 2015 cost for Afghanistan, Iraq (yes, we have advisors and trainers there just like we got some in Africa too), and other countries around the world is right now less than 2003 cost.

Yes, we have spent $1.6 trillion dollars since 2001 but that was spread out for the last 14 years. During that time period, I probably paid $300,000 in taxes already and I'm sure you have too. What did we gain? Personally, I didn't agree with Iraq due to contradictory reports, contradicting NY Times and Foxnews in 2003 -- both of which were very, very supportive of Bush and Cheney's invasion desire. For Afghanistan, it may have cost a bit way too much but we did kick Bin Laden out of the country and eventually captured him -- at the same time, we prevented genocide to the Hazara ethnic group (Mongolian related Muslims who immediately became Special Forces and SAS's trusted Afghan translators upon arrival in 2001) and we did bring back education to women and girls, which I personally assisted during my military-related humanitarian efforts (I must thank Japan a lot since they helped build roads and schools for girls, one of which called the Setara School for Girls was the best constructed school I've seen for the environment).

If you're gonna blame politicians, you gotta blame conservative people like Lindsey Graham, Bush, Cheney for being war-like and for firing well-educated military generals (who "originally" were Republican supporters) in 2003 for contradicting those numbnuts' layman-style hand-written-on-a-piece-of-napkin analysis. Lost buddies senselessly in Iraq for WMD that was non-existent and UN investigators couldn't find damn shit before the invasion (according to BBC news).

[–]cleaningotis 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

You sound like all the people I've spoken to who have never actually invested a serious effort into learning about the war in Afghanistan. Cynical cheapshots aren't actually intelligent opinions.

"what have we gained?" The Afghans have certainly gained a lot, and will likely be thankful to the U.S. for decades to come.

[–]marriedmygun -1ポイント0ポイント  (4子コメント)

Over half of Americans support our continued prescence there, even moreso now that ISIS has emerged in the country.

[–]AtmaJnana -2ポイント-1ポイント  (3子コメント)

You either don't know what ISIS stands for, or you don't know where Kabul is.

[–]cleaningotis 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Or maybe you haven't properly informed yourself of what's been going on in Afghanistan in the past year.

[–]marriedmygun -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I know where Kabul is. I spent a year there in addition to the two years I spent in Jalalabad and Asadabad. I'm scheduled to go back next year for a fourth time.

[–]onlysame1 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

What would be your opinion if the country didn't react and retaliated after 9/11?

[–]oblivioustoobvious 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

. Its simply hubris that keeps us there, just like Vietnam. The pointy heads in Washington just can't admit that they aren't all powerful and cannot control the entire world, even if it means draining our country dry of money, morality, and young people's lives.

It's more like the MIC (defense contractors) bribe our politicians.

[–]Xrathe -4ポイント-3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Team America, fuck yeah.

[–]A_Sketchy_Owl -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

What we gained is an often invisible and impossible to know statistic. At the end of the day, there is a lot if people that want nothing more than to harm America and other countries. If a soldier kills a taliban member over there that was going to carry out an attack in the future, that soldier could've just saved hundreds of lives. But that's something we'll never know, but to say that scenario never happened is idiotic.

[–]Ragnar__Danneskjold 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Dang. I've been there a few times. Kabul is usually pretty safe, though north of the airport where this camp is is one of the more rough areas. That sucks.

[–]jojofine 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Between Kabul and bagram its not really that bad. Try going down to Wardak off the main highway near the logar province border. That can get rough

[–]JackiePollockBrown 26ポイント27ポイント  (72子コメント)

Why are we still in Afghanistan?

[–]UmmahSultan 57ポイント58ポイント  (61子コメント)

As soon as we leave it will fall apart and create a situation worse than ISIS.

[–]atomiccheesegod 51ポイント52ポイント  (8子コメント)

A country has to be unified in order for it to fall apart.

Source: a Afghan war vet.

[–]Nanomechanic 14ポイント15ポイント  (3子コメント)

"An" Afghan war vet. Source: an Afghanistan war vet

[–]Awkward-Bear 13ポイント14ポイント  (2子コメント)

It's just the army, not like you need your grade ten or anything.

[–]gordonfroman 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

thats semantics.

[–]Plsdotherightthing 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

Hey! We don't tolerate anti-semanticism in here.

[–]gordonfroman 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

oh im sorry, its not like i was pushing the semantics into the oven or anything geeze.

[–]Edward_L_J_Bernays 11ポイント12ポイント  (13子コメント)

That country is already apart, you mean it will further descent into chaos.

[–]Syn7axError 6ポイント7ポイント  (12子コメント)

That's just semantics.

[–]HerroimKevin 2ポイント3ポイント  (11子コメント)

No it's a reality. Tribal leaders control a majority of the country

[–]jojofine 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Most people don't give a shit what happens outside the valley they live in. I don't think its possible to unify that country in any real way. Mostly because nobody seems to really care

[–]cleaningotis -1ポイント0ポイント  (8子コメント)

That's completely untrue. The Afghan government controls all district and provincial level capitals. Please don't make claims about things you don't know about.

[–]HerroimKevin 0ポイント1ポイント  (7子コメント)

That's like saying the U.S. Controls only the capitals and major cities of the country. The Afghan government doesn't have control of a large portion of the country.

[–]cleaningotis -2ポイント-1ポイント  (6子コメント)

And controlling the major population centers of the country equates to controlling the country. In terms of territory, yes they do in fact control the majority of that as well. Stop pretending to know this. You are literally a five second google search away from proving yourself wrong, and I just can't understand what makes people think they can pretend to know facts about things they never actually learned something about. I know what I am saying is correct because I've actually bothered to look it up. Also, you will simply not find anything recent at all that says the Taliban or something else controls most of Afghanistan.

[–]HerroimKevin -1ポイント0ポイント  (5子コメント)

You sound like an angry child. I didn't say that the Taliban controlled the tribal regions. I just said that the government doesn't have control of most of the country. You just admitted I was correct. And controlling a concentrated population doesn't mean you control the country. It means you control a lot of people. Those people aren't all soldiers. Enemy combatants can freely move throughout the country and the government can't do shit about it.

Edit: this is going on iamverysmart for sure.

[–]cleaningotis -2ポイント-1ポイント  (4子コメント)

"You just admitted I was correct." No I didn't. In terms of population and territory controlled the government is far larger to the insurgency. Again, actually look the information up. And good luck finding literally anything out there that supports your claim, because it does not exist.

[–]tenlenny 3ポイント4ポイント  (11子コメント)

And it's not already like that? It wasn't before we invaded? It just a continuation of bullshit that's been happening for years...

[–]Acheron13 2ポイント3ポイント  (10子コメント)

The reason one attack with one death is even in the news is because this is after one of the most peaceful months in a long time. A few years ago this wouldn't be news because it was a daily occurence.

[–]tenlenny -2ポイント-1ポイント  (9子コメント)

Because we were there in the first place.

[–]Acheron13 3ポイント4ポイント  (8子コメント)

Oh no doubt. It was all sunshine and rainbows before the US got involved. There was equal rights for women and gays, prosperity for all, freedom of religion. Just saying, it's been less violent lately.

[–]tenlenny -5ポイント-4ポイント  (7子コメント)

Well it wasn't exactly sunshine and rainbows, but it's not like America needed to get involved. Considering 9/11 was brought about by Saudis, funded by Saudis, and implemented by Saudis. There was litterally no reason to go to Afghanistan other than the fact they were an oppressed people by the Taliban. But military intervention was not the way to go about it. Afghanistan isn't worse but it's not better either. Iraq is definitely worse now. What the fuck is the point of all of it? Money.

Edit: I feel it Needed to point out that I am Canadian, we helped in Afghanistan but not Iraq. I still feel both wars are/were total bullshit

Edit 2: umm okay? Down votes for?

[–]UmmahSultan 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

So, you think that countries should be invaded if terrorists were citizens of that country? And the country that actually hosted the terrorists should be left alone?

[–]Fourpercentbattery 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

Al Qaeda was in Afghanistan... Their leadership escaped when we invaded, but they were there.

[–]SenorArchibald 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hooray for perpetual war!

What a way to waste my tax dollars

[–]TheSwellFellow -4ポイント-3ポイント  (20子コメント)

Not worse than ISIS. Iraq is a very peculiar situation, Afghanistan is full of really simple people, they're not as bright as the people of Iraq they're entirely different from the people of Iraq, and are generally less educated.

Edited because I sounded all "White Man's Burden."

[–]dorkmax 5ポイント6ポイント  (4子コメント)

To be fair, White Man's Burden was satirical. You were not.

[–]TheSwellFellow 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

You can argue all you want, but, not necessarily through any fault of their own, the people of Afghanistan just typically aren't very educated when compared to the rest of the world.

[–]DogButtTouchinMyButt 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

They are generally better fighters than the Iraqis though.

[–]jojofine 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

When I was over there about 80% of the dudes we'd capture were Pakistani. Never really ran into a lot of native fighters but they do exist.

[–]doodly-doo 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

something something check privilege, something something cis white male.

[–]lordthat100188 -3ポイント-2ポイント  (5子コメント)

But there are a lot of sects in afghanistan. Sectarian violence would spiral out of control until isis came in and used enough force to make them stoo being stupid.

[–]TheSwellFellow 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

You cannot stop the Afghan people from being stupid. I'd wager that Afghanistan has the dumbest population in the world.

[–]Ranman87 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

Arkansas would give them a run for their money.

[–]RPJeebus 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Fellow Arkansan, can confirm. Thank god for Mississippi

[–]lordthat100188 -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

Wouldn't really suprise me.

[–]ElvenAshwin 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

its not like they ever had an opportunity to set up educational institutions. Soviet invasion, civil war, American intervention, insurgency.

[–]coding_is_fun 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Because the world has not decided as a whole to stop the Taliban from taking over an entire country while violating nearly every basic human right.

So we have been stuck trying to stop them but can't do it solo for ever...so ummm hrmmm

[–]TitusUMMS 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ask your administration. I'm sure they'll be happy to explain.

[–]Barack_Stewart 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

You're not.

[–]fargin_bastiges 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

I said the same thing when I was there 2 years ago. We're still there because American forgot we were there and never actually cared because it doesnt affect their lives at all.

Did you know that when I was there we were hauling trucks full of trash to different fobs to get incinerated because of various contracts needing to be filled? Our lives were literally less valuable than trash.

We were closing down FOBs and we have contracts to haul and incinerate x-tons of shit instead of just burning it in place. Eventually people up higher found out and they stopped having us ship literal connexes of garbage down HWY 1. But still, it happenned for a while

No one knows about this shit because no one cares.

[–]Stainlessleafs -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

Except when money gets too out of control in spending

[–]fargin_bastiges 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

"Do more with less" defines my job right now.

[–]marriedmygun -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sigh. Because a large majority of American voters still want us there?

[–]LimeCrisis [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

For the heroin.

[–]DickJagamo 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

You know what would stop our people being killed in Afghanistan?

Getting the fuck out of Afghanistan.

[–]Raidicus 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm just going to throw this out there: this man was a green beret. The amount of training and time in means he believed this was his mission. He wanted to be there. I get that people are angry about US involvement in the mid-east but frankly if there's one place we SHOULD have been after 9/11 it was Afghanistan - and the green berets have been there since the beginning.

[–]cattrapper 4ポイント5ポイント  (5子コメント)

Where is the outrage people felt for Cecil the lion?

[–]stillclub 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

The lion wasnt in a war zone?

[–]Curt04 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

Reddit loves animals. Most of Reddit hates people in the US military.

[–]Sterling__Archer_ 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

Things that are cool on reddit:

  • hating religions

  • hating republicans

  • loving Bernie sanders with some creepy obsession

  • hating the United States

  • hating the U.S. Military even more

  • running jokes into the ground

  • rekt

  • cats

  • being edgy

  • pretending to be black over at black people twitter

  • being pretentious

  • thinking you're smarter than everyone else

[–]yashchand 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Honestly 650 up votes in only 7 hours. People care about stupid shit and then they play the "you can care about more than one thing" shit. People just care about shit that makes them look good to the reddit hivemind.

[–]KSfarmerGen5 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well at least we'll get a movie out of this. /s

[–]hi_snowflake 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Isn't this a classy little thread? Guy gets killed, and half the people want to complain about the "war" and insinuate that he deserved to die since the U.S. shouldn't be there in the first place. But Cecil the Lion gets killed? Holy fuck, help us all.

[–]Sax1031 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

and not a single fake war protester to be found

[–]sammysfw -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

The fuck are we still in that place for, anyway? Jesus...

[–]papercliper -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

How about get the F out of their country and you won't get shot.