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[–]beanieman54 31ポイント32ポイント  (13子コメント)

I love this sub and I support Conservatism a lot despite my liberal upbringings but... By this logic, isn't every candidate who ever existed guilty of "bribery"?

"If you give me votes you'll get tax cuts! Vote for me and I'll put more money in Medicare! Etc etc"

Exchanging votes for promises isn't bribery, it's kind of how our voting system works. What about every Conservative candidate that ever promised more funding for ANYTHING? That's kind of the same thing; "money for votes".

Edit: Is every candidate who ever promised funding for education "bribing" our faculty for votes?

[–]logicalthinker1Libertarian Conservative 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

A tax cut isn't giving a person money. It's simply taking less of it. Or does a person's earnings not belong to them?

[–]Mister_Johnson_ -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Edit: Is every candidate who ever promised funding for education "bribing" our faculty for votes?

They don't need to, the faculty is union and already voting Democrat. Promising more funding for schools is simply giving the appearance of caring while not actually accomplishing anything besides raising taxes and avoiding the real issues that plague our education system.

[–]CaptainPaintball -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

There are promises that benefit the people, as a whole, and there are promises that benefit select groups exclusively, and run afoul of Constitutionality and its spirit.

"I promise more funding for Planned Parenthood."--means I am securing a base of rabid, single issue ignoramuses who are perfectly fine with the government taking money from one person, and using it to possibly help another person exclusively in ways that run afoul of Constitutionality and the taxpayer's beliefs.

"I promise you get $500 per child a month! All you have to do is ditch your sperm donor, and stay single! And remember, the more keeds, the mo' money! And the Republican's want to take that away from you because dey racist!"--This is an even clearer example of government bribery. Replace welfare with healthcare, school lunch, education, family leave, National Endowment For The Arts, or any one of thousands of government programs, and you get the point.

This ALSO works for the EMPLOYEES of the welfare department, dept. of Education, Department of whatever...All they have to say (without always actually saying it) is "Vote for me, or the eeeeeeeeeviiiiiillllll Republicans will take your job away...

"I promise to strengthen the military, repave the interstate system, and create a consumption tax"--benefits everyone, and is totally Constitutional.

[–]lakingscrzy 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Idk, preventing more children from entering an already strained system seems like it would help everybody. And I'm not talking about abortion. Pills and condoms are a very cheap fix to a very expensive alternative. Conservatives get upset at more people entering this country, but don't bat an eye at the over breeding that is going on.

[–]pumpyourstillskin 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

Alternative:

Derides civil asset forfeiture

Champions increased taxes

[–]zaybak 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is actually (kinda) philosophically coherent. Good job.

[–]happycrabeatsthefish -5ポイント-4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Alternative:

Just another anti-gunner

[–]bretw 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

Promising government benefits is "bribery?" Meanwhile he could easily accept bribes and simply use money to get votes (like almost every other politician does). There are actual policies you could attack him on, but instead there's still a focus on attacking him almost solely on a front which isn't even true. There are plenty of policies he wants that are unpopular, but instead you bring into focus exactly the problem that the GOP is widely viewed to have.

[–]emagdnim29 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

What problem is that? I guess the first question I'd ask is if you think that an increasing national debt is a bad thing?

[–]bretw 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yes, do you think public roads are a bad thing?

[–]zombychicken -4ポイント-3ポイント  (9子コメント)

That's a completely different thing though. When he says he wants money out of politics, he means he doesn't want big corporations donating millions of dollars to campaigns. Promising government benefits isn't bribery.

[–]pumpyourstillskin 3ポイント4ポイント  (6子コメント)

Promising government benefits isn't bribery

"vote for me and I'll give you money"

Yeah, it's bribery.

[–]el__scorcho 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

So any candidate who has ever advocated for a government program is guilty of bribery? Was Bush "bribing" seniors when he campaigned on expanding Medicare to include a prescription drug benefit? Was Romney was "bribing" members of the armed forces when he argued for a massive military buildup?

Are politicians allowed to support government policies because maybe they think the policies might be good for society?

[–]beanieman54 -5ポイント-4ポイント  (4子コメント)

What about promising tax cuts then? Is that bribery?

[–]caleb791 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

No, because that was our money to begin with.

[–]pumpyourstillskin 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

It can be. But, it's a bit different to say "I'll take slightly less of what is yours" from "I'll take money from other people and buy you a phone, food, pay off your mortgage, pay off your student loans, and buy your old car for an obscene amount of cash."

[–]Nible 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

You seem to have a really hard time differentiating between ideology and bribery. So any guy who ever proposed taxes for any kind of government benefits is guilty of bribery? That's ridiculous and you know it.

Sweden's government must be the most corrupt government in the western world.

[–]j-awesomeTHIS 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Swing and a miss

[–]chabanaisStronger than derp.[S] -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Promising government benefits isn't bribery.

Uh huh.