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[–]EliteFourScott 37ポイント38ポイント  (7子コメント)

The "Academic Left" consists of virtually all of academia which is generally left-leaning. But it's only a social science minority that pushes social justice bullshit. As much as I personally may think left wing politics are moronic in general, you really should be a little more specific. The left/right division frankly should not be used to describe Gamergate issues unless you're specific on how extreme our common leftist enemies are. It's not fair to left-leaning people in Gamergate.

I'm not just bitching about semantics or tone policing here either. This left/right nonsense plays right into our opponents' hands, and frankly it's politically divisive and I get sick of seeing it pop up everywhere I go where any remotely sociopolitical issue is discussed.

[–]oldmanbees 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

But it's only a social science minority that pushes social justice bullshit.

You're neglecting the administrative glut: The "inclusivity and diversity" officer position explosion, which now puts the size of the bureaucratic class at way larger than the ranks of actual professors and real educators.

[–]JJZ_1109 8ポイント9ポイント  (3子コメント)

SJWs are starting to infest other disciplines such as STEM. It's pretty sad but I'm seeing more and more in clusterfuck NYC.

[–]Dog_Lawyer_DDS 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

SJWs will never get a hold on STEM the way they did social "sciences", because STEM topics and theories are beholden to mathematics, and there is no amount of histrionics and double standards they could bring in to alter the functionality of calculus.

[–]Kaarous 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Then they'll just reject the existence of calculus, because it's "sexist" or whatever their excuse is. Don't think they will. Their ideology demands subversion of everything that will not bow to the narrative, or it's destruction, or in the case of science fiction literature, both. Don't underestimate their perfidiousness, that's how we got in the mess we're in right now.

[–]JJZ_1109 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

which is why they'll infect the students and they can in turn indoctrinate more, possibly causing their kids to do social sciences instead of actual STEM or they'll lobby for changes in the field because "narrative"

[–]AceyJuan 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

As a leftist, there are aspects of leftist thinking that really bother me. The closed mindedness in the left is terrible and not the left I want to be a part of.

I welcome his criticism of the left and don't feel that it challenges my cultural identity. As long as someone isn't demonizing the left, criticism is fine. That's how we stay healthy. It's what the SJWs didn't accept.

[–]ineedanacct 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

You need only google "Chomsky postmodernism youtube" to see SJW's eviscerated by a leader of the left. Or "slavoj zizek political correctness."

I think what can be accurately said though, is that SJW's are the tea party of the left. They're taking over and purging moderates.

[–]Moprollems 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

What can be done about Academia? Can we address this issue more thoroughly or is that not for GamerGate? Are we content simply to state that social studies is flawed, or that gender studies is agenda-driven and leave it at that?

I'm a moderate right libertarian, so I'm of the opinion that the best way to solve this is by privatizing student loans/debt completely. When people continue to get aid and subsidies from the government, it makes it easy to work towards useless degrees; such as art history or gender studies or so on.

When the money isn't guaranteed or "free", when you have to do what many small businesses do and explain your general plan for the future and what you wish to major in, why you think it's profitable, so on, then you'll see a lot of people realize that gender studies or "critical race theory" aren't going to pay the bills, that if they really want to take those classes they can do it in their own time on their own money.

With that gone and people going towards more profitable things. A good percentage of those courses would close; at least until the market stabilizes itself and the degrees stop inflating.

[–]Wurmheart 28ポイント29ポイント  (48子コメント)

Have you never asked why cultural marxism is supposed to be a conspiracy theory? do you even know what the cultural hegemony is? or Where critical theory originated from?

I'd Also recommend: http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sc1pi4

And sure they don't like to call themselves marxist, i'll give you that.

As for the other rather obvious statements, look up Foundation for Individual Rights in Education (FIRE). We've known this since the start of GamerGate, but i'm not quite sure what gamers are supposed to do about this right now. Our options are limited, and admittedly we are only fighting "soldiers" but i don't see a viable method of exposing academia when the media is constantly slandering us.

[–]Steely_Tulip[S] 16ポイント17ポイント  (25子コメント)

I think Cultural Marxism is a real thing, but i do not accept the conspiracy theory as valid. The conspiracy theory (from the original wikipedia article) being:

In this usage, political correctness and multiculturalism, which are identified with cultural Marxism, are argued to have their true origin in a Marxian movement to undermine or abnegate such traditional values.[9]

I have studied Critical Theory and have met many professors who i would consider 'cultural marxists'. That being said they are not a marxist movement intent on undermining the values of western civilization. They are rather inspired to use the many writings of the Frankfurt school to support positions that they individually have on a huge variety of issues. They are fragmented and have different goals

Marxism is a chiefly economic theory, and i did not see a lot of support for that - much less any kind of unified attempt to resurrect that philosophy

[–]Wurmheart 6ポイント7ポイント  (21子コメント)

Ah alright, thought you meant it the other way around.

But yeah it is weird, marxism is largely about economics and capitalism's harm but both those concepts are largely ignored by the sjw's. Would have been a lot easier if the sjw's just picked a name for their ideology tbh.

Granted some do seem to care about equal pay, and to some extent guaranteed payment for "art" projects. But otherwise, economics doesn't seem to be a priority for them.

[–]Steely_Tulip[S] 15ポイント16ポイント  (17子コメント)

Would have been a lot easier if the sjw's just picked a name for their ideology tbh.

Yeah it would, which is why they haven't :p

[–]AdvocateForLucifer 2ポイント3ポイント  (15子コメント)

Or maybe it's that you're projecting all of these ideological beliefs onto a bunch of people who aren't actually coordinated in any specific kind of movement? Like, I'm for civil rights, and for feminism. Why should I need to conflate the two into one ideology? I'm also for Mens Rights insofar as it's not blaming all the problems men face on the scapegoat of Women's Rights. I could say that I'm an Egalitarian, but that mantle's already been taking up by the people who yell "All Lives Matter" and ignore the importance of nuance.

Most importantly is that a lot of people who are for some of the same things I'm for also hold different beliefs when it comes to Mens Rights, or Transgender rights, or even to what degree patriarchy theory is actually a thing. I'm fine with both of us sharing the title of 'feminist' because we're both moving in the same direction with that. But 'equalist?' Now all of a sudden we're trying to define equality, but people have different views of what equality actually is.

[–]Steely_Tulip[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (14子コメント)

Or maybe it's that you're projecting all of these ideological beliefs onto a bunch of people who aren't actually coordinated in any specific kind of movement?

Well, i think you raise a really interesting problem, because you're right SJWs are not a coordinated group of people. Except that they also are - they consider themselves unified under one banner which they proudly display: "Feminism"

But you said you were a feminist, and with certain qualifications i am also a feminist, but in order to not be misunderstood or subjected to abuse we would both have to write extensive essays on exactly what we believe.

The problem with SJWs is that they adopt a banner so much beyond moral questioning, and they can hide behind that quite safely, as of course do many people.

We need a name for this group of people, that coordinated or not do share a common ideology, and we shouldn't allow them to hide behind an ideology that they cannot seriously claim to faithfully represent

[–]AdvocateForLucifer 1ポイント2ポイント  (13子コメント)

The problem is that once you start assigning names to people, it gives the illusion of coordination. It makes them easier to hate for the name you're putting on their sleeve, because it makes them seem more inhuman. You can't really have a debate with someone when you're labeling them with something you find repulsive. And they aren't going to label themselves because they aren't coordinated. There is no conspiracy. Which is why I feel like calling them cultural marxists is a thought-terminating idea which makes it easier to hate. You're assigning beliefs to them that probably none of them actually hold entirely. Soon enough, you're fighting against straw(wo)men.

SJW is an example of one of these labels. I never asked to be called a Social Justice Warrior. Once you start calling someone who criticizes the Mens Rights movement an SJW, you've become exactly the kind of person you're criticizing; who resorts to name-calling instead of debate. And it's hard to change the minds of someone who will slap a label on you so that they can take you less seriously (see also: GamerGators, RedPiller).

The problem with KiA is that you guys adopt a banner which is based on a second-option bias. All you ever see around here is dancing around the root causes of the problem you say you're trying to solve (journalistic ethics), and you're jumping on the bandwagon to blame it all on people like Zoe Quinn and Anita Sarkeesian. But they aren't the cause of the problem. At worst they're a symptom, and even then the things that they say aren't "so far beyond moral questioning" that they can hide behind it safely.

Journalism being full of SJWs and their apologists is not the problem. It's a culture based around this idea of instant gratification. You guys get it from dumping on social justice. SJWs get it from dumping on you. It's the idea of doing something, fighting against some phantom evil which hasn't really been well-defined. It's calling one side Marxists and the other side calling you Rapists and it all keeps circling the drain as bigger things go on around you.

Social issues are important. Social justice is important. The problem is that it's hard to find justice in a warzone. What needs to happen is that people need to calm down, stop being each other's enemies, stop throwing on these dumb labels which sound like something out of a B-rate video game, and actually work towards defining and solving the issues in our society.

[–]Joss_Muex 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's a culture based around this idea of instant gratification. You guys get it from dumping on social justice. SJWs get it from dumping on you.

Neither of these issues is the main problem. The main problem is that journalists have, by and large, given up their role as objective reporters of facts and have moved to ideologically based narrative pushing. Most people here are reasonable and broad minded, and are only here because the media is anything but.

Journalism being full of SJWs and their apologists is not the problem.

The main problem IS that journalism has become politically radicalised. Journalism being full of "SJWs" or any extreme political grouping is and always will be a huge problem. And it's been a huge problem for this industry and the community for a long time.

[–]AdvocateForLucifer 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Which journalists are you talking about? When I'm talking about people being instantly-gratified, I mean sites like Buzzfeed or Bleacher Report, or Kotaku and Jezebel. Places where people can hide in their echo-chamber and only click on the headlines which gratify them. It's other places too, I agree. But it goes on both sides, for and against social justice. It's been radicalized in both directions, and KiA happens to be on the other side of the coin from the ones they criticize.

Journalism has become sectionalized, so that people will only pick up the paper that tells them that a man is probably going to go to prison for twitter harassment (but makes no mention of how he harassed them). People will only read Rolling Stone if there's a rape confessional on the cover. People will only go to /r/MensRights if there's a post about Bill Cosby's innocence. And everyone always claims to be the victim. Everyone feels that their opinions are unpopular, and get themselves worked up over how noble they are after talking to ten-thousand like-minded people. I'll be the first to admit that I'm guilty of this as well, posting in /r/Circlebroke and ShitRedditSays to have a laugh at everyone else's mindless circlejerking. And why do I do that? Because it makes me feel better about my own opinions. The same thing is what happens here.

[–]Kaarous 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

Social issues are important. Social justice is important.

No, they are not. In fact they're the ultimate first world problem, coming from spoiled, pampered people who haven't ever had to go to bed hungry, or who haven't ever had to worry about being warm and safe and dry.

It's goddamned pathetic, is what it is.

[–]AdvocateForLucifer 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

I didn't say it's the most important thing, but it is an important thing. Sure, there are kids going hungry in Africa but there are also people going hungry in America. Women in Syria might not be able to vote, but that doesn't mean we can't fight discriminatory bills which make it harder for black people in America to do the same. Compared to ethics in games journalism (which this subreddit says it's about), Social Justice is much more important. How you define that, it's up to you.

[–]Kaarous 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

I didn't say it's the most important thing, but it is an important thing. Sure, there are kids going hungry in Africa but there are also people going hungry in America.

EXACTLY! And "social justice" isn't feeding them, or giving out blankets, "social justice" is more concerned with being the thought police on twitter, and about what kinds of t-shirts foreign scientists wear, than doing the slightest bit of good at all for their fellow man.

If their hearts bleed so much, they need to spend a weekend in a soup kitchen once in a while. But they won't, because they're fucking hypocrites. I'm about as far right as it's possible to be and still call myself a libertarian, and I've done more good for the poor than any hundred of these freaking people.

Ethics in gaming journalism is not about "doing good". It's about keeping myself from being oppressed by these freaking people. But don't take that to mean that social justice is about doing good either, because it is demonstrably not.

Oh, and having to prove that you're an American citizen to vote is not "racist". It's how you keep elections fair. The only, and I do mean only circumstance in which someone would object to that is if they feel that they benefit from illegal voting. Just throwing that one out there.

[–]Steely_Tulip[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (5子コメント)

All you ever see around here is dancing around the root causes of the problem you say you're trying to solve (journalistic ethics)

I think the text of my post is clear enough. We are fighting against social justice and radical feminism, because it is a serious problem.

It's not that we hate the idea of social justice - of course there is racism and sexism in the world, and there are big issues that need to be addressed. But come on, how can you infer there is no major problem with social justice after the abuse that is being thrown at people? They say they are critiquing, and they respond to criticism with abuse.

And yes there is a problem with not being able to voice opinions freely and openly without fear of being labelled a misogynist. There is OBVIOUSLY a problem when a huge academic edifice believes itself to be the arbiter of what is moral, and takes it upon itself to force its version of morality on people by manipulating them through video games, literature or television. There is a huge problem when the minds that claim to be able to speak for the true nature of the human condition absolutely refuse to be subject to any kind of criticism or examination.

If you are not willing to acknowledge that problem, yet continue to see Gamergate as being only about "a culture based around this idea of instant gratification" then we really have nothing to talk about

[–]AdvocateForLucifer 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

If you are not willing to acknowledge that problem, yet continue to see Gamergate as being only about "a culture based around this idea of instant gratification" then we really have nothing to talk about

I'm not saying that's what GamerGate is about. I'm saying that's what causes the problems you guys have with sites like Buzzfeed and Kotaku. Click-bait sites which thrive because they're easy to consume and digest. Journalistic ethics don't matter so much when the most important thing is getting a pageview. That's why I'm saying the culture is more to blame.

I'm also not saying that you guys hate the idea of social justice. What I am saying is that you over-state the 'abuse that is being thrown at people,' such as false-rape accusations (which are a big deal, but not as much of a big deal as say, actual rape). Again, there's the second-option bias. You've got posters from /r/coontown around here masquerading as people who care about the same things that you do, but because free-speech is so important you welcome that sort of discourse. But in all of the comments I've posted here, which go against the circlejerk, I've lost enough comment that now I can't even have a proper discussion due to rate-limits.

That's not to make myself sound like a victim. I'm not one, at all. And being called an SJW by people over here has never made me fear that I'm not able to voice my opinions. I am worried, however, that no one here actually cares about what I have to say simply because I'm not entirely in agreement with what everyone else is saying. There's that annoying rate-limit. There's the downvotes, and the arguments from people who take one line of what I say, assume that constitutes my entire argument, and then argue against that instead of the rest of my points.

There is OBVIOUSLY a problem when a huge academic edifice believes itself to be the arbiter of what is moral, and takes it upon itself to force its version of morality on people by manipulating them through video games, literature or television.

I'm not really sure who is trying to be the arbitrator of what here. The SJWs who are in academia (as well as people like Anita) are pointing out problems in our media with regards to sex, race, and gender orientation. I've never seen anything that suggests vast support for an out-right banning of all questionable content. And the people who are, I have a problem with them too. Although I don't feel as if hostility, on either side, is going to solve things.

There's a very strong us-versus-them mentality over here, which makes it really hard to do things of substance. You have people who say that this is only about ethics in journalism. You have people who claim that this is part of a larger cause, against social justice taking over. People pushing their mens-rights and white-rights ideals (not to conflate the two), because they feel as if their opinions will be welcome here so long as the enemy is people who are being over-sensitive. I'm of the opinion that these people (as they're described) don't exist in any substantial way.

[–]Steely_Tulip[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

I'm happy to discuss without labeling you an SJW, and let's be honest SJW is really only a term for someone with a radical liberal ideology that relies on abuse instead of argument.

I'm not going to go through your comment history to figure out why people downvote you, but from some of the things you have said here, i think i can guess why:

You've got posters from /r/coontown around here masquerading as people who care about the same things that you do, but because free-speech is so important you welcome that sort of discourse

I can't even begin to imagine living in a society that refuses to accept discourse from any group, even hate groups. Yes free speech is important to us, not because it's particularly awesome in itself, but because it is the first and last line of defence against intellectual dishonesty, academic, political or journalistic abuse, and mob mentality in general. It's really fundamental to civilization. Really fundamental. Protecting hurt feelings is not. That is our stance and we stand by it. Also, why must you assume they are 'masquerading'? There probably are people on /r/coontown who genuinely share our concerns, and just because they say hateful things does not make them evil, stupid or make their opinions invalid. I think this point cannot be stressed enough because... it seems to be a necessary part of one's humanity. I can't argue it better than that.

People pushing their mens-rights and white-rights ideals

Do Men's Rights Activists not have valid arguments? Are they to be completely dismissed as 'anti-feminists'(though obviously many of them are)? Is it not the case that women receive a legal advantage in separation and childcare disputes? Why is it that you appear to have so much contempt for that movement, lumping it next to 'white-right's' and inferring both as bad things? Honestly though, i have not seen white right's comments being made on KiA, but perhaps i have missed them. Either way, refer to the /r/coontown issue.

The SJWs who are in academia (as well as people like Anita) are pointing out problems in our media with regards to sex, race, and gender orientation

There is a fundamental assertion behind all this, from the academic side, that media which is devoid of overt discrimination can be harmful to society. This assertion is made on the basis of a hundreds of years of research by disciplines which are characterized by the bullet points i made in my original post. You undoubtedly believe this assertion is correct, but we do not. That is the heart of the problem

We are perfectly content for sociologists to write papers about sexism in games, and for Anita to do her videos (the real issue is her fraudulent behaviour, and her insistence that internet harassment is a threat to her life.) Of course we disagree, and we'll argue, and that's fine.

What is not fine is that it is so clearly not enough for them to disagree and critique. SJWs harass developers to change games. They do demand censorship, and if you are against that then great! But when we are against it we are called mysogynists, our discussions are censored and there is a movement of hate and abuse directed against us.

The picture of academia that i have painted is that of a culture intent on effecting change in the world and being intellectually dishonest about doing so. This culture encourages SJWs and refuses to condemn them. Frankly these academic disciplines base themselves on incredibly flawed methodologies and ideas. When you see it from this perpective, the problem GamerGate is fighting against is a direct result of this academic culture.

It seems to me that you cannot accept this last point, but i hope you will address it honestly, as i have never seen an SJW do so.

[–]Kaarous 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

In fact, they rely on changing their face every now and then, so they aren't exposed.

[–]Konstrukt1 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

Strictly political and economic Marxism fell out of favor around the turn of the century, when people looked back at the past hundred years and realized that every instance of attempting to run a nation on Marxist principles led to catastrophic failure and thousands, often millions of dead. So now they're trying the cultural approach.

[–]BoiseNTheHood 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

Capitalism is racist, bigoted and a tool of the patriarchy in SJW World - except for when they use sites like Patreon to separate people from their money; that type of capitalism is perfectly fine by those hypocrites.

I'd argue that economics are a bigger factor than you'd think. Since they have no marketable real-world skills, SJWs want a socialist society where they can collect handouts for every "-ism" they can come up with, financed by all those privileged shitlords who actually work for a living.

[–]Geocities_SEO_Expert 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

except for when they use sites like Patreon

Man, don't forget all the times when they need fancy technology that's only affordable for consumers because of mass production, or the times when they need the very latest expensive-yet-flimsy sweatshop clothes from Mod Cloth or Urban Outfitters.

[–]Uptonogood 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

Obviously they don't have secret marxist meetings. It's not a conspiracy in that sense.

What we have is an army of useful idiots in academia and now the internet fighting a war they have no idea they're fighting. Much less the future consequences they'll bring. That's the actual conspiracy.

[–]Iconochasm 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

The actual "conspiracy" was never more than a few hundred people, and it ended decades ago. Many of the beliefs the SJW's have were deliberately pushed by college professors, on orders from their KGB handlers. Unfortunately for them, the plan to weaken the West by pushing suicidal idiocy was mostly abandoned even before the USSR collapsed. Modern SJW's are just memebots, running corrupted programming originally written by a tyrant who has been dead for the better part of a century.

[–]somercet 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

As I said below, I think you denigrate what a few people with an agenda can do. You don't need a grassy knoll or black helicopters to run a political movement willing to dodge overt responsibility as needed to preserve itself to further future goals.

[–]Hurin_T -5ポイント-4ポイント  (21子コメント)

The only way to kill academia is to shut of the air supply. As a society we have to stop wasting resources on useless education.

[–]Inuma -5ポイント-4ポイント  (20子コメント)

The only way to kill academia is to shut of the air supply.

I don't know how the fuck you can write this without reading what you wrote.

How the hell do you think people should be educated if they DON'T go to college when the rest of the goddamn world goes to college and has a better educated workforce?

Like, seriously, what the hell is wrong with you?

As a society we have to stop wasting resources on useless education.

How the hell do you say this?

Do you not realize ANYTHING about when we had a Golden Era in America? It was the time after the Great Depression when we weren't at war and a majority of people went to college and it didn't break the bank in the 1950s to 1970s. Then, in the 80s, college started breaking down thanks to Reagan. So the useless education is the one that allows corporate America to use you as a battery for their schemes and mechanisms.

FFS, this really takes the cake of ignorant statements... It just doesn't read well from any angle.

[–]marinuso 21ポイント22ポイント  (12子コメント)

He did say "useless" education. If we got rid of the funding for the "_____ studies" departments and redirected the money into things like engineering or physics or medicine, we'd have fewer ideologues and more technological progress.

[–]Inuma -3ポイント-2ポイント  (11子コメント)

Useless is entirely subjective in this context. Just because everyone doesn't want hard math and sciences doesn't mean that there's no value in more philosophical or socially scientific endeavors.

By that logic, Latin is useless because it's a dead language even though it's the basis for all Romance languages. It ignores the problems of what's going on in academia, particularly in how our schools are set up with an aim at a two tier division of education as well as a bunch of bureaucrats who decide how teachers teach and who gets paid.

There's far more to the problem than thinking that education is the only key. But going into just education and attacking it as the source ignores a number of issues that should be understood.

[–]marinuso 15ポイント16ポイント  (2子コメント)

Useless is entirely subjective in this context. Just because everyone doesn't want hard math and sciences doesn't mean that there's no value in more philosophical or socially scientific endeavors.

I certainly am not advocating for abolishing everything but the STEM fields. But usefulness is certainly not all that subjective. Spending money on civil engineering gets us better infrastructure, spending money on medical research gets us cures for diseases, spending money on philosophy just gets us more philosophy. Two of these have obvious benefit to society at large, and one does not.

And the social sciences seem to have become nearly all ideology and nearly no research with any objectivity at all to it. People seem to start out with their conclusions already formed and then set up their studies to reach those conclusions. And there's no rigour at all. This being KiA, go read Anita Sarkeesian's master thesis. She graduated on that - this is what it takes to become a "Master of Social and Political Thought". I would've failed my bachelor's "introduction to research methods" course, had I turned such a thing in. It's not even Anita who is at fault here, after all she met all her requirements.

But at least she actually wrote some words. Others just carry a mattress around for a while. They might as well start handing out degrees to Ikea employees. It has become a parody of itself, except they don't seem to be in on it.

Surely you agree that something is deeply wrong here? I'm not in favour of just banning the lot, but serious reforms are needed here if it is ever to be taken seriously again, and meanwhile we oughtn't be spending money on fields that hand out degrees for carrying a mattress.

[–]Non-negotiable 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think everyone should study philosophy as an essential credit in every university or college course but it shouldn't be a major. There's very little point to getting a degree in philosophy but it helps encourage critical thought outside of troubleshooting, just thinking critically about your opinions, morals, society, etc. I think, coupled with a basis course in psychology/sociology, it will produce more politically and morally literate population.

The main problem is getting teachers/professors who won't put their own personal slant towards the course. I took philosopher as a night course and was mostly left to do the reading and research by myself without being told what was the right or wrong way to think.

The problem is that it's a major, rather than just a required course. A long with philosophy, basic psychology and sociology, I believe math and english should also be a mandatory credit in any program. Too many people who take shitty x studies courses can't even organize their writing into paragraphs or do basic math and they are absolutely infuriating to work with.

[–]Inuma -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

But usefulness is certainly not all that subjective.

No, I stand by the fact that in this context, what one person decides is useful may be of value to others. For example, I know Japanese yet I just responded to someone else who claims that taking literature means I should fund my own education. Japanese is a valuable language to learn just as Chinese or Vietnamese would be in order to discuss and communicate effectively. By some people's standards, it's less valuable because this isn't the 80s where Japan dominated the economics of the world just behind the US. I should be learning Chinese because the trends are heading to them taking over as a superpower. The context being that what I want out of language is less valuable to society than every person with a STEM degree.

But even then, if we were to look at your next sentence, there's some contradictions:

Spending money on civil engineering gets us better infrastructure--

Okay, but how can you do that when spending is decreased? It sounds good, but political plausibility is unavailable here and the majority of that would be taken from someone that took political science to understand the issue.

spending money on medical research gets us cures for diseases--

Yes, but the US has cut research since 2004 or our research has stagnated so where's the money going besides corporate conglomerates like Pfizer who charge more? That's economics and analysis.

--spending money on philosophy just gets us more philosophy.

So learning the likes of Aristotle, Socrates, Voltaire, Hume, Locke, etc. has no value when learning how to be a citizen and question the surroundings is not a value? Come on...

Two of these have obvious benefit to society at large, and one does not.

How can you claim that when you ignore the value? History, culture, politics, heritage... All ignored because of a small group that we ignored until they became big enough for us to see? Wouldn't the logic be that forcing this stuff into the open with people learning it to figure out what works, what doesn't, and how to apply critical thinking be better than a taboo of how illogical and nonsensical it is? That always boggled my mind how people miss the lesson that's being taught and fight for dominance in an area that doesn't represent the actual fight.

This being KiA, go read Anita Sarkeesian's master thesis.

I did that years ago. I'm of the opinion that Mcintosh wrote it, had Jennifer Jensen approve it and they undermined the academia with their collusion. The system failed to teach because academia has been hurting for money and where do you think the lowered taxes on corporations that move out of America were going? It doesn't take a genius to find out that our student loan debt is tied to how much corporations withhold overseas while we bear people up with the burden of debt for their education which we hadn't done for decades before.

I'm not in favour of just banning the lot, but serious reforms are needed here if it is ever to be taken seriously again, and meanwhile we oughtn't be spending money on fields that hand out degrees for carrying a mattress.

That's kind of what you're proposing. "I find no value in this field and because of these people, I don't see any reason to look into social sciences as a whole because they have degrees as valuable as an IKEA furniture mart.

It doesn't really get into how our colleges are being overburdened with debt which is passed onto students. It doesn't get into the bureacracy in academia that decides what students learn and the teachers can teach. There's no discussion about the problems of public vs private schooling that plague society in America in how it decimates education long term. Sure, there's problems. But only focusing on the degrees of one individual doesn't begin to help us diagnose and understand the problem.

[–]tracker2208 5ポイント6ポイント  (7子コメント)

Philosophy is useful and enriching, but it's not a skill people want to pay you for. That makes it a hobby. I love learning about history, but the fact is the only thing you can do with a history major is teach history. It's a hobby. Unless they have a lot of disposable income nobody in their right mind racks up six figure debts to finance a hobby. Why do young people do it? They are told to follow their heart, do what they love and money will follow, that the key to a happy fulfilling life is education, the key to national prosperity is more education, more money in education. They are being scammed.

[–]Inuma 1ポイント2ポイント  (6子コメント)

Philosophy is useful and enriching, but it's not a skill people want to pay you for.

Why are you so focused on philosophy as to ignore anything outside of that? You're reaching when one of the largest arguments of this would be from Plato and his theory of a Social Contract.

Further, you're not making sense. You learn history so you don't repeat it. In the context of gaming, developers take ideas from history to express them in a unique manner. Breath of Fire 2, for example, looks into Catholic religion with Paganism viewed through the Dragon God and the Catholic church being criticized.

Likewise, the Phoenix Wright games have a lot to do with lampooning the Japanese court system which is based on a similar structure to what's in the US. The turnabouts may be one notion that's not in regular laws, but there's a reason so many people can look beyond the surface at a very critical view of society in games.

By your logic, we should keep people ignorant of what's come before when it permeates aspects of culture. Obviously, Tolkien, Asimov, Dawkins, Chomsky, and others had to learn what they knew from someone else.

So I guess their intellect and expressions are nothing more than scams? That's far from a valid argument into how to change academia to nothing more than STEM researchers...

[–]tracker2208 2ポイント3ポイント  (5子コメント)

I only used philosophy because it's infamous for being a worthless degree in terms of employment prospects. There are others:

  • English
  • [fill in the blank] Studies
  • Communications
  • Psychology
  • Art/Music/Theater/Design

You could say that psychology is a useful skill that you could get compensated for quite nicely, but that's only at the masters and doctorate levels. At the bachelor level it's a hobby that doesn't.

You learn history so you don't repeat it.

You don't have to pay someone $20k/year in order to learn about history.

So I guess their intellect and expressions are nothing more than scams?

When it's being sold as a path to a better life that you have to pay over $10k/year for 4 years for, then it's absolutely a scam. Perhaps in the 1960's it wasn't. Today it's just to damn expensive.

[–]Inuma 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

Your basic argument here is that anything that doesn't make you money is worthless when I've just explained that their value can be different based on what you write in stories or learn outside the field. Hell, Shigesato Itoi isn't known as a game maker, he's known as a famous writer in Japan. Yet by the logic of your argument, he shouldn't make a lot of money because he's not valuable enough in your eyes and should have paid for his degree himself instead of allowing him his own decisions on it.

Perhaps in the 1960's it wasn't. Today it's just to damn expensive.

You're not following what happened in academia... As jobs moved out of America, the value in the jobs went down. That's going into what's been going on since the 70s when wages became high for capitalists and they decided "why do we need an educated workforce when we can go around the world and exploit their labor for cheaper?"

[–]tracker2208 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

Your basic argument here is that anything that doesn't make you money is worthless

When you go into tens of thousands of dollars in debt for a degree that doesn't make any more employable than someone who doesn't have a degree, then that degree is less than worthless, it's a liability. You would be better off smoking pot, delivering pizzas, and playing video games for 4 years in your mother's basement then you would be going to college. All degrees are being sold as investments, that is the scam.

Yet by the logic of your argument, he shouldn't make a lot of money because he's not valuable enough in your eyes

Not in my eyes, in the job market's and economy's eyes.

Back when Shigesato Itoi went to college it didn't cost as much, and a degree was worth more. To get a quality structured learning experience or to get access to the best minds in whatever field you had to go to college. Today you got Coursera, Khan's Academy, and YouTube. You have close to %100 of the world's knowledge since the beginning of civilization on the internet. Yet they still want you to pay hundreds of dollars for a single text book.

My only argument is that many college degrees are overpriced for the value they give you, often to the point of being a liability. It's a bubble. It's the same as the housing bubble, the dot.com bubble, and the infamous tulip bubble.

[–]Iconochasm 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

We're actually close to the point where information tech can make traditional college obsolete. More effective, more targeted, more expansive, at a thousandth of the cost.

[–]Inuma -2ポイント-1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Okay, but what do you say to the relationship of a student to a teacher and the friendships and connections that happen within an institution?

If human beings are so easily replaced with information, why damage how people are taught?

[–]Iconochasm 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

When those friendships and connections are particularly meaningful, it's mostly in the form of rich kids connecting with other rich kids, so they don't have to interact with non-rich kids. I would have figured you'd be thrilled to see institutions devoted to that, like the Ivys, get decimated. But those connections can certainly be handled in other ways, probably ways that are wildly better than throwing young people into "college life".

The relationship between student and teacher is more important, but a real connection will only happen with a small percentage of students, and again, a teacher who spends a lot of time in the forum for their lecture series, and answering questions and talking to students, could do just as well, if not better.

If human beings are so easily replaced with information, why damage how people are taught?

You should really look into how we got this 19th century style of education in the first place. It was explicitly designed to damage how people were taught, by replacing genuine human connections with impersonal, socialistic systems of control.

[–]Inuma -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

When those friendships and connections are particularly meaningful, it's mostly in the form of rich kids connecting with other rich kids, so they don't have to interact with non-rich kids.

???

How do you explain the coalition of engineers, the coalition of people that reflect various different jobs outside of a work?

That still doesn't make any sense except to diminish the value of learning outside of a job.

I would have figured you'd be thrilled to see institutions devoted to that, like the Ivys, get decimated.

Why would I be thrilled when the difference of public and private institutions creates a two tier education system in the first place?

The relationship between student and teacher is more important, but a real connection will only happen with a small percentage of students, and again, a teacher who spends a lot of time in the forum for their lecture series, and answering questions and talking to students, could do just as well, if not better.

How do you figure that? Universities work to create larger bodies of students, but that's far from the ideal of smaller classrooms and more focused attention in an area which seems to be a global standard except in the US.

It was explicitly designed to damage how people were taught, by replacing genuine human connections with impersonal, socialistic systems of control.

Yes, because Teddy wanting education in America to be the standard means we were on the verge of Socialism. Come on...

[–]Hurin_T 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

Society should only fund education in STEM fields. If people want to study art and literature they should pay for it them self.

[–]Inuma 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Society should only fund education in STEM fields.

This is ridiculous, asinine, ignorant, and borderline stupid.

You learn languages to effectively communicate on the workforce with diverse people. You learn various different cultures because a number of people grow up differently and come up in a college to expose you to different views of the world from various backgrounds.

Not every thing in the world is solved through understanding Physics and Calculus and being able to know how the world functions won't come with a heavy dose of empiricism to the mathematical fields.

All you're doing is limiting what you learn as a person and essentially turning yourself into a mathematical robot.

Further, what the hell does it mean that you want to limit other aspects to learn for other people? The only successful people are engineers, not book writers? So you want to limit the imaginations of the next Asimov or Tolkien to ensure that the next person only learns hard maths to succeed? What about other needs of a flourishing society going unheeded right now? Other communal demands that aren't met or poorly paid because those "lowly pleb artists" have to pay for college while the STEM fields pay by us? It's ridiculous because at the very heart of the argument is the establishment of a discriminatory contradiction that's sure to create a two tier education system just as we've already done in society right now.

The solution IMO, would be to allow colleges to be subsidized and the students decide their futures over a bureacratic madhouse that decides for them. Reduce the budgets of a bureacracy, allow for teachers and students to decide their own fates and that would fix far more than having administrators you never meet decide what a student can learn or a teacher to teach.

[–]sexy_mofo -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

they should pay for it them self

them self

Clearly you've never wasted any money studying literature or grammar.

[–]Zerael25k get! Party! | Mod - @SpaghettiDrop 52ポイント53ポイント  (8子コメント)

Not to be an asshole but literally everyone here knows that, we've been discussing this for months =p

Good post though.

[–]Steely_Tulip[S] 20ポイント21ポイント  (6子コメント)

That isn't the impression i got. I've seen posts talking about the infiltration of academia by feminists, or the manipulation of academia by critical theorists (though i assumed people were generally dismissive of the cultural marxist conspiracy theory)

This way of looking at it is the wrong way round and honestly i got the sense that most on KiA view academia as disinterested in Social Justice, or at the worst refusing to condemn it.

However, if everyone already knows this stuff then fair enough, my mistake.

[–]Zerael25k get! Party! | Mod - @SpaghettiDrop 18ポイント19ポイント  (1子コメント)

This way of looking at it is the wrong way round and honestly i got the sense that most on KiA view academia as disinterested in Social Justice, or at the worst refusing to condemn it.

Nah man, just search for Academia in the search box, we've discussed Sokal and the takeover from humanities department many times, as well as the overwhelming grip the political left currently has on campuses and curriculum.

http://intelligencesquaredus.org/debates/past-debates/item/1310-liberals-are-stifling-intellectual-diversity-on-campus

Edit: link doesn't seem to work for some reason, try this one http://www.npr.org/2015/03/03/390254974/debate-do-liberals-stifle-intellectual-diversity-on-the-college-campus

As I said though, I appreciate the write up, clearly it took some effort and will be useful for people not too familiar with this contextual aspect yet.

[–]Agkistro13 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, again, you are phrasing it in terms of a 'takeover' and the 'current grip', which is misunderstanding the situation. The problem has been a problem since at least the 60's.

[–]Agkistro13 7ポイント8ポイント  (3子コメント)

No, you're right. There's a pretty strong sentiment around here that this all became a problem in 2008 or so. The term "SJW" largely exists to (falsely) contrast the pernicious authoritarian left of today with the pernicious authoritarian left of the 20th century that your typical GG person isn't aware of, or agrees with.

[–]mellowhype64 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

Isn't it essentially postmodernism we have a problem with? Anyone who has read The Fountainhead or Atlas Shrugged (I'm not even a Libertarian, I was just curious) should see the parallels, even if they don't agree with the authors conclusions on philosophy, society, gender etc.

[–]Warskull 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

Post modernism's attitude of "fuck facts, I write whatever" is a huge part of the problem. It is all about pretending to be smart by using a lot of big words, redefining words, and just outputing large papers filled with drivel (as demonstrated by the Sokal affair.) Then all the other post modernists pat them on the back, it is one big giant academic con. It failed horribly in the sciences, but grew quickly in the liberal arts giving birth to the modern SJW.

[–]Agkistro13 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well, it's certainly post modernism that I have a problem with, but I'm a conservative. It's not clear to me that the pomo movement is a problem for the libertarian left that primarily characterizes GamerGate. I wouldn't be the one to ask.

[–]cantbebothered67835 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Came here to say that. Although I was planning on a more confrontational reply.

[–]Hurin_T 20ポイント21ポイント  (2子コメント)

The sad part is all the kids who leave college with nothing to show for it but a mountain of debt and a head filled with useless nonsense, when they could have used that time to obtain some real skills.

[–]T34_B4991n5 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

By the time they figure how fucked they are, they either just get a shitty job or continue on to grad school to double down.

[–]Geocities_SEO_Expert 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think the best solution would be for the government to offer loans no more than the base costs at the nearest community college. Put an end to funding degrees that cost more than a house, but can't get the holder a job.

Maybe the leaches would move over to community colleges, but I hope the CCs would prioritize basic career-advancing courses over useless ones.

[–][deleted] 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

sokal's statement remains relevant today:

Furthermore, the New Left has created "a self-perpetuating academic subculture that typically ignores (or disdains) reasoned criticism from the outside."

As well as the skeptics dictionary take on it:

Above all, however, the Sokal hoax demonstrates how willing we are to be deceived about matters we believe strongly in. We are likely to be more critical of articles which attack our position than we are of those which we think supports it (Gilovich). This tendency to confirmation bias affects physicists as well as professors in the social sciences and the humanities.

http://skepdic.com/sokal.html

[–]not_a_throwaway23 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

What can be done about Academia?

Go back to traditional underwriting for student loans.

[–]Reginleifer 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

What can be done about Academia? Can we address this issue more thoroughly or is that not for GamerGate? Are we content simply to state that social studies is flawed, or that gender studies is agenda-driven and leave it at that?

Nothing can be done on an Academic level unless you and a couple thousand other people want to ruin some lives, take an interest in the issue that will border on changing GG entirely, spend your time reading shoddy psych research papers that will make you wonder how the fuck Psychology is classified as STEM and then convince other academics. (not happening) At which point they'll just put another SJW in the position you just vacated.

Because Academics are fucking useless, in terms of power. They serve the establishment or they serve that sweet sweet monay and in return they confer a sense of respectability, a claim to objective truth to policies people want passed.

(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_racism) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drapetomania) (Corporate/Special interest funding of science)

They don't choose their masters, they simply serve them. You know what CAN change a college atmosphere?

A law. Politics has often played a huge part in picking and choosing what academia can or can not say. California passed "Yes means yes", by legislation, which made colleges adapt a new rape standard or risk losing public funds. Before that educators were made to take vows not to be Communist, But clearly we can't pass any laws, we'd have to fight a campaign against financial juggernauts.

Wanna know what makes politics change? Money. And that's where we step in. If we make it unprofitable to be an SJW, whether it be in games, or in comics, in Silicon valley or the Appalachia, we make less money available for politician rigging on their behalf.... which means their voice becomes less powerful in Academia.

[–]somercet 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wow.

No.

California passed the "yes means yes" law because campuses were begging for it. All the laws in the world won't stop them. The only thing that can is freedom. If you free people of the necessity to fund these monstrosities, they will start to wither away.

[–]Invo_RT 10ポイント11ポイント  (5子コメント)

I remember having a "select your own topic" research paper in college. It just had to be a controversial position on a piece of literature. I wrote a 15 or so page paper about how Lord of the Rings is racist. I recieved high marks, but I thought that it was more of a mental exercise that you could claim and twist almost anything to reach a desired outcome. Never once did I actually expect people to take that kind of stuff seriously.

I've been through college before (and hopefully starting again here soon), but I must've missed all this during my inital time. I'm interested to see how things may have changed at my alma mater. I have to assume that these issues come up more often in the social sciences/humanities. My first degree was a business degree and there was quite a bit to learn so we didn't have time for that sort of thinking.

As someone who is very left-of-center, has a love of science, and is highly critical of capitalism, the so-called "Academic Left" isnt going to be retreating any time soon, but GG shouldn't focus on dismantling that. Rebuffing them from appropriating gaming is enough. As for that side as a whole, as with any group that enforces ideological purity, it is doomed to collapse. Any slight deviation from the groupthink is punished harshly and they'll cull their own into insignificance.

[–]Steely_Tulip[S] 12ポイント13ポイント  (4子コメント)

I received a high grade in English Literature ultimately because i learned how to parrot the ideology with essays that, in my personal view, had no real academic value ("How romantic poetry challenges modern capitalist assumptions" bleggh)

I dont believe GG can rebuff them from gaming, they have staked an interest and they will stay as long as they can be supported from an academic position. Their entire argument is that they have "valid criticism", and if a top professor at Oxford were to come out and say "yes of course they are making valid critiques and we defend that" how can gamers possibly respond to that?

They have an immense position of support and the academic interest in gaming is still in its early stages

[–]Hurin_T 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

Gamers can vote with their wallets, that's how we can oppose them. By not spending money on SJW themed shitty indie titles.

[–]CaesarCzech 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

We arent pushing into Berlin{academia] Anytime soon but we are pushing them out of Moscow{gaming] and that counts

[–]kalphis 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I know the feeling that some some subjects are less than useful or intellectually unengaging, but remember the point of a basic high level education (even in social science) is still to help you become a person with well-balanced reasoning. Their interest in studying the digital medium at a human-level (which requires interdisciplinary knowledge and collaboration) is not unfounded, and as long as it is ignored by more analytical thinkers that tend to specialize, the desire to study it by those people, even if haphazardly, will always be there.

[–]somercet 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

And that is why Republicans (or whoever supplants them) must push back against academia.

For every old blackboard there are now hundreds of new electronic computers. The prospect of domination of the nation's scholars by Federal employment, project allocations, and the power of money is ever present -- and is gravely to be regarded. Yet, in holding scientific research and discovery in respect, as we should, we must also be alert to the equal and opposite danger that public policy could itself become the captive of a scientific-technological elite.

[–]tracker2208 7ポイント8ポイント  (4子コメント)

What can be done about Academia? Can we address this issue more thoroughly or is that not for GamerGate? Are we content simply to state that social studies is flawed, or that gender studies is agenda-driven and leave it at that?

I have a hypothesis, a prediction. Many predict a massive education bubble is coming. The price of education has outpaced inflation by a great deal, for a long time. It's simply not worth going into debt to the tune of 6 figures to get a liberal arts degree. If you can't get a well paying job with $100,000 student loan debt you are spending the next 20-30 years of your life paying for it. Technology has been available for many years where someone can get the knowledge and skill employers require for a fraction of a cost. It's all going to come to a head real soon, and when it does the burst is going to be just as crap-tacular as the housing bubble in 2008, maybe more so.

Anyway back to my hypothesis, my point is if/when this bubble burst I think this cultural infestation of SJW will wane. The only thing you can do with a genders studies degree that you can't with an 8th grade education is to teach gender studies to others, or going into these non-profits. If there are no more loans and scholarships to pay for these degrees, and if learning skills that actually make you a productive member of society is much much cheaper, then the breeding ground for these SJWs will no longer be there. There will still be the K-12 indoctrination, there will still be celebrities and PETA and other bullshit, and the cultural effects won't be immediate. But the tide will turn. We won't have to do anything. Just find a safe spot and enjoy the show.

Edit: There are many "Education Bubble" articles on places like Forbes and Business Insider, but personally I like this one. It goes into specific cheaper alternatives to college that I don't remember reading in others.

[–]MrDuck 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

After fifteen years in the workforce I see a BA/BS as more of a cultural marker then a real preparation for the job market. Like owning a good suit having a degree signals that you are the right kind of person. The HR departments are full of women who have degrees in the humanities that don't have much to do with their jobs, but they all want to hire people like themselves. It ends up in a feedback loop, as the preference for degrees creeps down through the market the perceived value of a degree increases. At some point the system will hit a crisis point, but I predict we are heading for a bailout of the loan system, there is no way the government would piss off the core youth and parent voting blocks by allowing the system to fail, especially given the profits that student loans are now generating for banks.

Part of the problem with the SJW system is that it is very cheap to run. If you want talent, you need to pay for it. Engineering schools and medical schools are very costly to run, classes in postdialectic conceptualist theory can be taught by any impoverished associate professor willing to work for what the school will pay. Because of this the humanities may be the last to face cuts in the coming years.

[–]tracker2208 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I hate HR. Some HR department used to use graphology - handwriting analysis - to screen candidates. I did a quick Google and it looks like it's still used. Here's one with a blog that wrote an article that say 'don't mention you're a Mensa member. You just come off as obnoxious and it doesn't even mean you're that smart'. She really thinks she can tell how smart someone is better through an interview than an IQ test, and an IQ test is a better tool to identify obnoxiously than an interview. So stupid. Smart companies are wisening up, using things like tests and bypassing HR.

but I predict we are heading for a bailout of the loan system

There might be a bailout on the loans, but the market is going to change. Before 2008 I was able to get approved for a $240,000 $500 down making $12/hr (no way I could afford, was buying with someone but only used my credit). There was a bailout, but these days I would need 20% down, and only get approved for a mortgage I could demonstrate that I could actually pay. After the education bubble no one is going to be willing to loan people high 5 for low 6 figures to learn worthless things. People will flock to cheaper alternative, go to trade school, or just be happy working low skill service jobs. The market forces are simply too strong to overcome with regulation, at least I hope so.

[–]JoeDonJackson 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I agree, I've been waiting for this bubble to burst for years....Peter Thiel has written good articles on the subject too, if someone is interested.

[–]Geocities_SEO_Expert 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It can't happen soon enough, IMO. I grew up in a college town, and it's disgusting to witness how student loans allow some people stay at age 17 until they're 22 or 23. The biggest thing they learn is how to live like trust fund kids.

[–]AdNovitatum 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yup dude,

but dont worry about anyone claiming "conspiracy" .

This is all factual information, ignored by the media because of course, they wouldnt deliver the brains behind the movement so easily.

The way to go is the following:

Non-left students in the american Colleges should and must bring up writers like G.K Chesterton, Ortega y Gasset, Eric Voegelin , Russel Kirk to their classrooms, many of you probably never heard of them because they're under boycott by the progressist agenda, these philosophers/writers were true scholars whose arguments pointed out and refuted the progressist ideas who were set in motion by people like Lukacz, Foucault and the Frankfurtians.

Isnt it strange that in college you only got to read one side of the story? How bad is it that teachers offer f.e Foucault's ideas on society without ever delivering its counterparts?

Students should put their teachers against the wall and ask for the official refutations to their agenda, claiming for an unbiased education.

[–]mnemosyne-0000#BotYourShield / https://i.imgur.com/6X3KtgD.jpg 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Archive links for this post:


I am Mnemosyne, goddess of memory. I remember so you don't have to.

[–]SkarlettKnight 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I appreciate you posting this. It is important to understand what has happened to academia. It seems most peer review boards have become poisoned with SJWs. Follow the money.

[–]acathode 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Noam Chomsky have a really good segment in an interview where he talks about leftist academia, and he kinda gut them and then turn the knife a few times... IMO he really hits the nail several times, esp. when he points out how much "hard science"-envy that likely drives the humanities to invent theories and language that is really, really complicated, but when you boil it down all that's left is either bullshit or truisms.

Anyway, here's the link, he talks about the subject for about 10 mins.

[–]futtinutti 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I believe a lot of these people are the result of indoctrination from attending gender studies and similar courses.

I do not think these should be stopped, but I do believe it should be made more transparent what your future prospects are from attending these courses. Also it should be made clear to mom and dad, who are most likely funding the student, that this is not a course that will prepare your offspring for the real world and give them a competitive head start into a successful career.

And universities in general need to get back to focusing on results instead of inclusivity.

[–][deleted] 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Current student at an incredibly leftist university, which as a conservative means that my blood is constantly boiling. Everything is an issue and any slight against the cultured and intelligent academics is racist, misogynistic, heteronormative, colonialist slander and should be banned completely.

We're only a about 50 years removed from students finally winning the war for equal rights, a right to say and study what they want, and a chance to push the envelope. Now, people muzzle themselves, refute scientific fact, and attack any established cultural/societal norm as disgusting and bigoted (unless it has to do with Islamic culture, in which case everything is beautiful and you should stop being a fucking Islamophobe).

Our arts faculty is one giant liberal hug box, where debate is squashed and any viewpoint not viewed as progressive is evil. Our law faculty, future judges and politicians that will shape policy, are unwilling to discuss anything they deem offensive. Even our science faculties are too concerned with being politically correct than stating simple facts. I'm in the business faculty, so we have no morals, but even there, I have no idea what the future holds.

Oftentimes the students that are the most successful and smartest are too busy actually working to get involved with this shit, so the lazy SJWs take hold as voice of the university, and announce what they want, while everyone sane cringes. I hate my school a lot and weep for the future.

[–]JontheFiddler 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

As someone who went to a very liberal school and considers himself a pretty hardcore progressive I have to disagree with this. I think it has more to do with an entitled upbringing.

Since birth they've been raised to think they're the best at everything, no second places trophies, no failures, etc. So when they enter college they think they're the specialist snowflake ever and can do no wrong. Then these professors give speeches, facts and figures without knowing these kids haven't been taught how society works. They then enter the real world and come across someone who doesn't share their beliefs it shakes them to their core. And since they've been taught how great they are this makes them see the other person as the enemy. They're having an adult temper tantrum.

[–]call_it_pointless 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Im one of those dasterdly liberals who believes in diversity. Which is why i support allowing conservatives and liberatarians into unviersities as professors. For some strange reason other liberals don't seem to like this kind of diversity....

[–]Millenia0 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Personally I dont care much about politics, I just know these people are stupid as bricks.

[–]mod_piracy_4_life 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Go figure that the hippies stay in academia because they're too afraid of the real world.

[–]somercet 1ポイント2ポイント  (7子コメント)

I don't agree with the Cultural Marxist conspiracy theory

You say "conspiracy," I say "agenda." Marxists have abandoned the economic arguments in the face of positively Soviet losses (i.e. large, brutal and self-inflicted). They now favor undemocratic Socialism and a social will-to-power heavily informed by Nietzsche (even as they create his Last Men):

"The very first email I got . . . was from a women's group saying 'We don't want this stimulus package to just create jobs for burly men.' " No matter that those burly men were the ones who had lost most of the jobs.

Prof. Allan Bloom addressed this in The Closing of the American Mind. I found it weak for its second half, but it is an important read, and its huge popularity was a true sign of the ongoing American academic collapse.

• Liberal Political ideology - I'm a liberal, i imagine most people involved in GG are liberals

Gah, there has never been such a disaster in America as the capture and destruction of the word "Liberal" in politics! They had already created and destroyed "Progressive" by the end of Wilson's administration, they did not dare call themselves Socialists, so they fastened on Liberal and bent and stretched it as on the rack until it was twisted beyond recognition.

Here's a hint: the outrage mobs stalking twitter? Are not Liberal! The SJWs savaging Brendan Eich or the satellite/shirt guy, or getting Tim Hunt fired are not Liberals! (And to be frank: I despise how all three cried and crawled to those baying for their blood.) They have more in common with ISIS than in any American Founding Father (the Liberal ideology was the founding ideology of the USA).

And, another hint, most American "conservatives" call themselves that because "Liberal" was taken from them. Even if they personally disapprove of homosexuality most would despise any anti-gay pogrom (or anti-TG, &c.).

So i think people should be aware of this, because if i'm right there will be no winning GamerGate. These people are deeply entrenched and are here to stay

Now if only we could convince the Republicans of this. Or, God forbid, to fight back.

[–]Steely_Tulip[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (6子コメント)

The thing that scares me is that the 'new left' is forcing more and more people to the conservatives, who are becoming increasingly more hostile after being called racists, mysogynists and homophobes. Its going to be a long time before people respect or trust liberalism again

[–]somercet 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

The "New Left" was born in the post-Stalinist, Khrushchev "Secret Speech" era. I think sixty is pushing it for "New," don't you think?

Its going to be a long time before people respect or trust liberalism again

But Rand Paul is doing very well in the current U.S. pre-pre-pre-pre-primary (not a personal fan, but happy to see an open libertarian doing well). And libertarianism is from the old Liberal vineyard.

[–]Steely_Tulip[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Okay, so not new, but maybe 'recently dominant'

I don't believe most voters see the relationship between libertarianism and liberalism. They accept the different labels and move on.

However, since you've mentioned that you've made me wonder if libertarianism will absorb the 'liberal refugees' and morph into something new

[–]somercet 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I froth at the mouth when Europeans sneer at stupid Americans who don't know what Liberalism is, because the Europeans, ignorant of how Democrats effectively redefined that term on this side of the pond, blame the average voter for "not knowing better."

They did it, it was a misinformation campaign, and you can hardly blame the American public for accepting the definition of a term from a party that claimed a label for itself. Many non-Democratic and non-Socialist Americans were Liberal, of course, but were in the unfortunate position of a fish unable to defend the water it was swimming in.

[–]BoiseNTheHood 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I froth at the mouth when Europeans sneer at stupid Americans who don't know what Liberalism is, because the Europeans, ignorant of how Democrats effectively redefined that term on this side of the pond, blame the average voter for "not knowing better."

THIS. Why they can't just accept the fact that "liberal" has a different usage here is beyond me. It's no different from how they refer to lines as queues, potato chips as crisps, gas as petrol, etc.

[–]BoiseNTheHood 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

The "New Left" was born in the post-Stalinist, Khrushchev "Secret Speech" era.

As a side note, the neoconservative wing of the GOP is also a branch of the post-Stalinist left. They were all for big-government socialism but rejected the anti-war stance and permissive social views of the New Left, so they had little choice but to brigade the Republican Party - and Goldwater's crushing defeat in 1964 gave them the opening they needed. As sad as it is, even the right wing in this country has been co-opted by this crowd, albeit not to the same degree.

[–]somercet 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

As a side note, the neoconservative wing of the GOP is also a branch of the post-Stalinist left.

Oh, here we go. A neo-Conservatives is anyone who abandons the Left for the Right.

  1. President Ronald Reagan was a New Deal supporter who crossed the aisle to vote for Eisenhower in 1952, after deploring the machinations of various Communist fronts around the Screen Actors Guild.

  2. Irving Kristol, perhaps the most famous of a particular bunch of neo-cons, was an anti-Stalinist Trotskyite. During WWII he became convinced that utopian Leftism was basically wrong and began his Long March to the Right.

They were all for big-government socialism

Both were convinced the Communists were a huge threat. (Given this post, how wrong were they?) Kristol thought the New Deal should be left in place, but opposed Johnson's Great Society programs. Reagan favored rolling back certain parts of the New Deal, backed the gold standard and completely opposed socialized medicine and the Great Society.

but rejected the anti-war stance and permissive social views of the New Left, so they had little choice but to brigade the Republican Party

Saying "the anti-war stance of the New Left" is utter insanity. The New Left was and is against a strong American defense. They are not anti-war; they are pro-war on the other side.

William F Buckley was never a Democrat, Socialist or Communist, but he befriended Kristol and Reagan, was almost religiously anti-Communist, but said he did not think homosexuality should be an automatic disqualifier for a Federal security clearance ("On Experiencing Gore Vidal," Esquire, Aug 1969).

Goldwater's crushing defeat in 1964 gave them the opening they needed.

William F. Buckley decided to back Goldwater against Johnson. He did not think Nelson Rockefeller (the original RINO ("Rockefeller vastly increased [New York]'s role in education, environmental protection, transportation, housing, welfare, medical aid, civil rights, and the arts.") could win, but predicted that losing the 1964 election with Goldwater would be better for conservatism, by offering a chance to rally to non-Socialist ideas.

As sad as it is, even the right wing in this country has been co-opted by this crowd, albeit not to the same degree.

No.

[–]StillSearching11 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

The issue has not been taken far enough however, as scientists have been chiefly focused on Post-modernism and Positivism, and their claims that there is no objective reality.

Best course of action with such people is to punch them in the face, and then argue how you didnt punch them because there is no objective reality.

[–]Shippoyasha 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

I think a huge majority of people following this drama has gotten that a long time ago. Even as early as the 80s in some cases for this generation that is grappling with it these days.

The only thing left to do is to get some smoking bullet proof and to connect it with the obvious propagandizing that's happening. But one doesn't even need that considering they're doing such a poor job of hiding that.

[–]Steely_Tulip[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

I don't think you can find a 'smoking gun' proof to link GamerGate to academia, because there is no conspiracy here. It's a culture that has inspired, subtly approves of and provides "research" that SJWs base their claims on. The real issue seems to me that the culture and academic work itself needs addessing and publicly criticizing, and i haven't seen that on KiA, though of course it is GamerGate focused so i don't expect to see it.

[–]Shippoyasha 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's always interesting reading into the who's who of which media organization is behind which big names we're reading/watching content from. Whether it's willful ignorance or malicious planning, it all seems to connect somehow. But I can definitely see a case for disparate businesses just banking on general human fallacy of laziness in regards to media (which is there to make it more convenient for us instead of everyone being investigators or journalists) or appetite for sensationalism. Don't want to get too meta, but we could even be talking about the base instincts of mankind here as well.

[–]circedge 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

This isn't an issue of political divisions, progressivism or conservatism or anything else. The same phenomenon exists all over the spectrum and isn't restricted to the left or extreme left. Try bringing facts to an anti-abortion rally, anti-immigration rally, or any other populist current issue. There's intellectual dishonesty everywhere and lack of discussion - instead you get called an MRA, gamergater, leftist, liberal, nazi and so on, and critique is silenced. Ignorance replaces education and reasoning.

I don't know what the actual cause is. Maybe parts media - newspapers and television, entertainment, vapid celebrity worship, politics. It's everywhere.

[–]the_nybbler 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Academic leftism isn't really driving the SJW movement. It's giving it cover and form, but the SJW movement is really driven by hatred.

For example, take the term "toxic masculinity". The academic meaning is something like (from the Geek Feminism wiki) "one of the ways in which Patriarchy is harmful to men. It is the socially-constructed attitudes that describe the masculine gender role as violent, unemotional, sexually aggressive, and so forth. " But whenever the SJWs use it, they're using it to say how horrible men are. If they're called on this, they retreat to the academic definition for cover (motte-and-bailey argument).

[–]Meafy 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Only way to fight academia is to join it get tenure and speak out. Easier said than done.

Or become a politician and go ham on them

[–]BigChief014 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sadly tenure doesn't have the clout it used to have. Tim Hunt was a tenured, Nobel-prize winning academic, even received a knighthood, but was forced to resign from all academic positions over a harmless quip about men and women. sigh

[–]Iconochasm 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Many academics are quite explicitly biased against hiring anyone who disagrees with them. And since faculty get a say in hiring decisions, that can get close to "impossible" unless you play for the long con.

[–]Comrade_Brother 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Dutch universities and colleges are the same as far as I can tell from my personal experiences. Don't get me wrong, not all professors and students were like this during my time as a student, but the political correctness really hampered many people's ability to think critically.

[–]marinuso 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Never noticed a thing, though I did computer science so I was probably shielded somewhat.

[–]NoOneWhere -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Eh? Ik ben het niet met je eens... Agree to disagree?

[–]KarzanGilgrikssonCited by Based Bokhari 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I feel like every time we get new members, the same old posts crop up: "Why's the Wikipedia article so bad?" "God damn academic SJWs!"

Really comprehensive though.

[–]NoOneWhere 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I cannot speak for the US, but for Europe (maybe with the exception of the UK), this is bullshit...

Edit: To change academia in the US as far as I am aware, is to speak to the major funders - those who donate a lot. If they stop donating on the ground the academia are no longer teaching but creating propaganda programs, you bet the academia are going to change...

[–]AdventSingularity 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Could you go into more detail? EG: your nationality, what you think of your nation's academic community, etc

[–]IvyRun 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Rejection of Capitalism

That depends. If you reject Crony Capitalism, that is perfectly find and dandy. If you reject Free-Market Capitalism, I'm afraid I have to disagree.

[–]Agkistro13 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

For those who are about this stuff, you can trace the problem back to Feuerbach, at least. He's the one that gave Marx the idea that speculative sociology and anthropology were philosophy by dissecting religion in terms of what he decided other people's motivations were. You can see that influence throughout Marx- where scathing critiques of how he imagines other people and other classes to think are put forward as philosophical conclusions that describe the world.

The whole 'no objective reality' thing flows from that- the Marxist idea that history is primarily a persuasive story we tell to accomplish an end, as opposed to a recording of what actually happened is what justifies basically all SJW lies. There is a fundamental belief in that wing of the left that truth must always take a backseat to saying things that will advance the cause. That's why it can be so infuriating to speak to them- they have different motivations from you. You are trying to explain how things are, they are trying to 'characterize' things according to a 'useful narrative'. THis is why, for example, they decide FIRST that gamers are sexist, racist, etc., and THEN go look for evidence to defend what they have decided.

My exposure to liberalism is on the university campus, I'm educated in political science. So from my perspective, 'leftist' and "SJW' are just matters of degree, not different ideologies. But that's because that's how academia operates.

[–]Aurondarklord 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh, we're VERY aware of that.

[–]JPC5 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

To answer the edited question:

Little, at least directly. Let's not bite off more than we can chew. Media outlets require our energy and attention. Universities will only change when it comes from the inside. We debunk the bullshitery they put out as often as we can, but I don't think it's reasonable to think GG can have an impact on that level. Decades and decades of entrenchment has made universities SJW-Castles.

[–]MonkeyCB 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

What can be done about Academia?

Wait for it to collapse. With growing student loan debt, lack of jobs for people who took out loans and got degrees, and "academics" being taken less seriously every day, it's only a matter of time until the bubble pops.

[–]sdaciuk 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I want to say you were very fair in your critique. One thing that has bugged me in a lot of these discussions is the railing on about the Frankfurt School and how crazy all these academics were. In my opinion we ought to be more generous in our appraisals of these people. Most of them were working over 70-80 years ago. It's like harping on about how dumb Freud was when you haven't read any of his works (if I recall correctly his speeches to the APA were really good). I mean if you really get a sense of his work he WAS the cutting edge science of his time. He was trying to pull together things we take for granted today like evolution, talk therapy, and unconscious processing into a grand theory of humans. Yeah he fucked up, but he was trying. Same with the Frankfurt School: they were really cutting edge and thinking they were on to some great stuff. And fuck yeah some of them were. Some of them are founders of things we take for granted today like the Sex Positive movement. Some of them started social psychology. Mostly these people studied culture and wanted to figure out how people understand their world and are influenced.

I'm not disputing that the craziness we have today isn't linked: but I think we need to acknowledge that the teenagers have taken the keys to the Ferrari and don't care about the limits. The originators weren't anti-science: they were some of the top minds of their time. Their children are some of the lowest minds of today.

[–]MrRexels 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Cultural Marxism is not a damn conspiracy theory. The fact right wing leaning people use the term doesnt' make any less valid.

Also, you are falling on a No True Scotsman fallacy here. ''This people are bad liberals/leftists, unlike us the good liberals/leftists!'' No. That's the same logic feminists use when the radicals one pull crazy stunts. I can't link to other parts of reddit, but google a post called ''Dear moderate feminist, this is why you don't exist''

For what you can do about it? Study a real career.

[–]Steely_Tulip[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Im going to paste a previous post where i responded to this:

I think Cultural Marxism is a real thing, but i do not accept the conspiracy theory as valid. The conspiracy theory (from the original wikipedia article) being:

In this usage, political correctness and multiculturalism, which are identified with cultural Marxism, are argued to have their true origin in a Marxian movement to undermine or abnegate such traditional values.[9]

I have studied Critical Theory and have met many professors who i would consider 'cultural marxists'. That being said they are not a marxist movement intent on undermining the values of western civilization. They are rather inspired to use the many writings of the Frankfurt school to support positions that they individually have on a huge variety of issues. They are fragmented and have different goals Marxism is a chiefly economic theory, and i did not see a lot of support for that - much less any kind of unified attempt to resurrect that philosophy

[–]johnyann 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Academia is going to be in extremely deep shit if the student loan system basically defaults on itself (essentially inevitable at this point).

Gonna be a lot of colleges and universities disappearing.

[–]rickytickytappy 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Say you're liberal but support GG all you want but you cannot deny the majority of media is liberal, and said media has taken a turn for the entire SJW movement.

[–]mnemosyne-0000#BotYourShield / https://i.imgur.com/6X3KtgD.jpg 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Archive links for this discussion:


I am Mnemosyne, goddess of memory. I remember so you don't have to.

[–]jordanb18 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

You absolutely see this on college campuses. I'm an engineering major, and STEM is usually on one side of campus, while a lot of the liberal studies classes are on the other side of campus. Let's just say you don't see much neon hair where my classes are

[–]gargantualis 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

For Your Viewing. I don't believe this is necessarily be a soviet initiative in our current era but it does benefit some special or business interests for rampant demoralization, and confusion to take hold in modern society, media and culture.

[–]Uptonogood 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

That guy really blew the whole thing wide open. Too bad he's been completely ignored for it.

[–]Imagebard 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

This culture provides a deep legitimacy to modern Social Justice and will not be retreating any time soon. What can be done about Academia?

Honestly, I'm not worried about that because its not something we deal with. You're right on that "Is that not for gamergate" part: Gamergate members aren't academics, they're mostly normal gamers and other people. We might be consumers to other places and such, so our best option is to boycott them.

[–]Steely_Tulip[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Look at the average SJW though - they are wealthy middle class and their parents spoil them. If they start a project they can get a government or academic grant. They don't need AAA's to make their games, or to have any kind of economic success. They only need for the broader population to think "they have a point"

[–]kalphis 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'd argue that they are allowed to flourish because people that are closer to the GGer mindset don't commonly stay in the same areas or share the same interests.

[–]TTT_33333 -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

Cultural Marxism. It goes much deeper than games. It also has to do with the forced "Diversity" being shoved down everyone's throats. More info: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejIRvo44TRY

[–]circedge -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Notto disu shitto agen.

[–]PooOnYoureFoot -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

If you're going to impose social concepts that are more complex than the rules of Physics on a population, one has to question why.

Think about it.... Physics isn't complicated, but it literally defines the rules of reality. You can learn basic physics in a few months, and truly study it in depth after a few years... and it consists of concepts that are basically 1+1=2.

But you look at this social justice shit, and it's all opinion... and it takes fucking forever to sift through all this shit. I've read a lot of these books, and my opinion on them is that the authors are fucking retarded. And these are "peer reviewed" and "esteemed" writers. Now, I'm no historian or genius, but I do have a Masters degree and have done very well in my field where a lot of my friends who buy into these concepts have failed due to being too fucking stupid to do what I do. I see them on facebook posting these SJW thoughts, and all I can think is "They got fired from my company their second day for being too dumb to work in the mailroom" So realize my viewpoint is a bit biased on the subject.

Most of this societal interaction is just hot air used to justify a paycheck, written in a manner that's confusing enough to make the average person think it's "smart" because they can't grasp it, or see where it hypocritically undermines itself page after page.

So they're not studying the laws of reality, these people are making up random bullshit based off of random bullshit writings of bullshit artists trying to get money from their university.

Meanwhile they're teaching these concepts to fucking dumb ass college kids that want to feel special, and are easily manipulated because they're fucking dumb ass college kids that haven't really lived life yet.

The rest of us look at some of the trash that they're spewing and laugh, because it really is trash. Luckily american colleges are going to crumble soon enough, due to overwhelming student loan debt, so we won't have to worry about it. And we have all these idiot kids who took out 200k student loans so they could get their undergrad in womens studies to thank for it.

[–]ValjeansGhost -3ポイント-2ポイント  (9子コメント)

Jesus openly disdain the rich. He also disdained divorce.

According to your own conspiracy theory, where the fuck would Jesus lie on the spectrum?

Since

Hatred of Capitalism = Feminism.

This is why Social Conservatives can never have nice things.

[–]CrushTheSJWSlime 2ポイント3ポイント  (8子コメント)

I'm sure there's a point in there somewhere, but you sure as fuck haven't found it yet.

[–]ValjeansGhost -1ポイント0ポイント  (7子コメント)

I already know the point.

Which is why nobody can answer the question.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socratic_method

[–]CrushTheSJWSlime 1ポイント2ポイント  (6子コメント)

What you've said is not even wrong. Socrates would laugh at you.

[–]ValjeansGhost -1ポイント0ポイント  (5子コメント)

I'm pretty sure Socrates answered his questions, even the stupid ones.

[–]CrushTheSJWSlime -1ポイント0ポイント  (4子コメント)

Perhaps he did. I doubt he pretended that they weren't stupid though, so he'd still have laughed at you.

[–]ValjeansGhost 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

Me thinks you haven't read any of the Dialogues.

[–]CrushTheSJWSlime 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Methinks you're deflecting.

[–]ValjeansGhost 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

But still right, in this point and the former.

Now go get that last word!!! You've earned it.

[–]CrushTheSJWSlime 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Whatever helps you sleep at night, bud.

[–]JustALittleGravitas -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

He sent that paper to a NON PEER REVIEW journal that had an open offer to publish literally anything a physicist wrote about postmodernism. The rules of the journal didn't ALLOW him to be rejected.