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[–]Ice_BountyHunterDetective 147ポイント148ポイント  (16子コメント)

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I was in one of our UC units a few weeks ago and some asshole behind me was laying on his horn because I wouldn't make the (illegal) right on red. Finally got out of the car and turned around as if to say, "What the fuck do you want?" I don't think I've ever actually looked someone in the eyes as they shit themselves before.

[–]KegelAvengerAspiring LEO 82ポイント83ポイント  (10子コメント)

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[–]Not_So_Funny_MeowNot an LEO 25ポイント26ポイント  (0子コメント)

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Christ. That guy could walk away from a stare down contest vs. Mike Tyson with a draw.

[–]nomofica 37ポイント38ポイント  (3子コメント)

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That man has driving/hitman gloves. That's how you know he really means business.

[–]fancymoko 22ポイント23ポイント  (1子コメント)

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That guy looks like triad...

[–]nomofica 16ポイント17ポイント  (0子コメント)

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Wouldn't surprise me. Not too many people are capable of that kind of... demeanor. He looks hard as fuck. Definitely wouldn't want to be on his bad side.

[–]0100101010110 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

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i think the look of the hardened criminal/convict is really what does it for me.

[–][deleted] 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

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Dominance asserted.

[–]Akchemist187Aspiring LEO 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

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He should've whipped his dick out and pissed on the car. That would really assert dominance.

[–]benriz 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

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the music is what makes it.

[–]Osiris32Aspiring LEO 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

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I had to watch it without the sound (stupid soundcard broke) and it's all about the look on his face, and the very slight nodding of his head at the end. "Uh huhn, that's right, I thought you'd change your mind."

[–]Milkshakes00 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

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Do people really view THAT as tail gating?

[–]CountPanda 18ポイント19ポイント  (2子コメント)

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How'd the rest of the encounter go?

[–]Ice_BountyHunterDetective 16ポイント17ポイント  (0子コメント)

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Got back in my car and waited for the light to turn green. I wasn't gonna be a dick and write him a ticket for improper use of his horn because it's not really worth my time, he just needed to learn to chill the fuck out and that you never know who's in the cars around you.

One of the people in the lane next to me gave me a thumbs up and was grinning like an idiot so that was fun.

[–]matthewalan8Aspiring LEO 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

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OP pls

[–]sooovadNon-Sworn Employee 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

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Were you in uniform?

[–]Ice_BountyHunterDetective 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

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I guess you could call it tactical. BDUs, golf shirt with police identifiers.

[–]MI2112Former LEO 62ポイント63ポイント  (6子コメント)

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A couple counties away we had a chief that was sitting in a marked take home car outside of a store when two men with long guns who had just robbed the store ran out and got in the car parked right next to his marked unit without even noticing him. I now know what his face looked like as he watched them load up and flee the scene.

[–]OurEyesArentReal 14ポイント15ポイント  (4子コメント)

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[–]blanketlaptop 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

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Is this a good movie?

[–]MyPusyTasteLikePepsi 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

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yes. it's definitely worth the watch.

[–]blanketlaptop 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

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does your pusy really taste like pepsi?

[–]ninjafacesNot a LEO 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

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I laughed for a good five minutes at this. Thanks for making my day.

[–]Enceladus_Salad 21ポイント22ポイント  (17子コメント)

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So you basically can't even have a phone in your hand if you're in the driver's seat? What about if you're at a light and need to adjust something on your GPS? Does that vary by state?

[–]WordRickPolice Officer 23ポイント24ポイント  (1子コメント)

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In my state it's allowed if they're stopped at a light. Illegal as soon as they start moving.

[–]Hovsky 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

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That's how it should be.

[–]hyltonhammer 18ポイント19ポイント  (0子コメント)

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Even using GPS is a ticket in NJ, if you have it in your hands. If I see someone stopped at a light and use it I let it slide. Once they start driving and keep looking down then I'll write them.

Majority of the rear end accidents we have in town are caused by this.

[–]nomofica 9ポイント10ポイント  (12子コメント)

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Here it's illegal to operate any personal electronic device while the vehicle is in gear - including stopped at a red light. There are few exceptions, such as one or two- touch operations of a PED or GPS that is mounted to the dashboard or windshield. If it takes several seconds and/or touches to do what you're doing, or if it's in your hands, then it's illegal. Most officers give you 3 seconds before they'll initiate a stop for distracted driving.

[–]xeroxeeCorrectional Officer 13ポイント14ポイント  (1子コメント)

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I'd be out of there just from skipping through my playlist.

Nope nope nope nope nope nope yes, fuck go back! I said go back!

[–]ThellraAKNot a LEO 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

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Do you actually look at the device, or do you just mash the next button until you hear what you want?

[–]DreadPiratesRobertEMT/Armed Security 4ポイント5ポイント  (7子コメント)

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The wording "in gear" would be so easy to fight though. I have a manual and I'm not in gear during much of my drive, especially when I'm decelerating.

[–]nomofica 13ポイント14ポイント  (2子コメント)

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"In gear" is colloquial for "not in park". Those are my words, not those of the relevant Act. The Act specifically states "no individual shall drive or operate a vehicle on a highway while engaged in an activity that distracts the individual from the operation of the vehicle" where highway means any public road.

[–]DreadPiratesRobertEMT/Armed Security 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

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Ah! Thank you for the clarification.

[–]nomofica 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

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No worries. The provincial lawmakers definitely covered their bases. There is a long list of sections that refer to other sections that inevitably refer to other sections of the Act that list what, exactly, is prohibited... but also preface the lists with "includes but is not limited to". It would be very hard to fight a Distracted Driving ticket in Alberta if there's actual evidence that suggests you acted in contrary to the Act.

[–]collinsl02Not a LEO 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

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You don't decelerate using your engine?

Saves a lot of money in brake pads...

[–]DreadPiratesRobertEMT/Armed Security 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

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Sometimes I do. Doesn't that wear out the transmission faster? If rather have to replace brake pads than a transmission.

[–]MCXLAspiring LEO 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

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Doesn't that wear out the transmission faster?

No. It does put some extra strain on your engine, but it is generally a good thing as the hard vac forces can help keep your engine cleaner. Also you save a TON on gas this way, idling takes gas, using the momentum of the car, uses much much les gas (minimum injector load)

[–]collinsl02Not a LEO 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

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Not over the entire life of the vehicle - it puts just as much strain on it as accelerating - all you are doing is using the natural deceleration of the engine as you come off the accelerator to slow the car down.

[–]Hovsky 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

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So if it's in P, no issue?

[–]nomofica 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

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Provided the vehicle is legally parked, yes.

[–]collinsl02Not a LEO 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

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The phone bit would be illegal in the UK unless it's in a handsfree kit - if it's mounted on the dash, you are stopped at a light, and are just adjusting it, that would be fine to most officers as you aren't moving.

As soon as you started moving though, that would be different.

[–]Jabroni916 26ポイント27ポイント  (67子コメント)

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Are police officers allowed to be on their phone? Because I see them a lot talking on their phone while driving.

[–][deleted] 16ポイント17ポイント  (27子コメント)

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Depends on state law. In my state, officers can use their phones while driving because they may be sending or receiving work-related information. It's not encouraged, but it is permitted.

[–]Elsa_Issuveraen 22ポイント23ポイント  (24子コメント)

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There are indeed exceptions in most states, but there really shouldn't need to be. There's no reason for officers to not just use handless devices, just like everyone else with a legitimate business need to be accessible by phone while driving. And then the only time officers would need to actually use the physical phone is in the same circumstances as everyone else: legitimate emergencies. (The same exception in most state laws that allows officers to use their phone while driving allows everyone else to do the same for calling 911.)

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    [–]getfuckingreal 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

    ごめんなさい。これは既にアーカイブしてあり、もう投票はできません。

    We also use cell phones to coordinate activities with each other that involve us arriving at a location at a precise time as others arriving at a particular location. There are countless uses where it comes in handy for our purpose.

    Haha, this applies to tons of jobs. Not all of us are gossiping on the phone.

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      [–]Hovsky 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

      ごめんなさい。これは既にアーカイブしてあり、もう投票はできません。

      He said there's no reason to not use a handsfree device.

      [–]6CdAzQyJnmr 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

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      You honestly don't see a problem with this, do you?

      [–]JoeK1337 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

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      There's almost no real way to verify if that call is personal or not (handsets look alike)

      Besides, FCC mandates new encrypted digital frequencies so only authorized people can listen in.

      [–]collinsl02Not a LEO 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      ごめんなさい。これは既にアーカイブしてあり、もう投票はできません。

      If you end up with a system like airwave like we have in the UK that supports your radio handsets being used as mobile phones as well if configured.

      [–][deleted] 4ポイント5ポイント  (6子コメント)

      ごめんなさい。これは既にアーカイブしてあり、もう投票はできません。

      I'm glad you're speaking from so much personal experience about when, how, and why officers would need to use their phones.

      [–]Mister-Mayhem 2ポイント3ポイント  (5子コメント)

      ごめんなさい。これは既にアーカイブしてあり、もう投票はできません。

      Sorry. We forgot that you're special.

      [–]MRoadSecurity Officer -1ポイント0ポイント  (4子コメント)

      ごめんなさい。これは既にアーカイブしてあり、もう投票はできません。

      Radio etiquette is a thing and valuable information needs to be exchanged. I'm not even a cop and i know this.

      [–][deleted] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      ごめんなさい。これは既にアーカイブしてあり、もう投票はできません。

      Shh, let him be upset.

      [–]Mister-Mayhem 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

      ごめんなさい。これは既にアーカイブしてあり、もう投票はできません。

      If they're only supposed to be on their phones for legitimate purposes, why would it violate radio etiquette?

      Shh, let him be special.

      [–]MRoadSecurity Officer 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

      ごめんなさい。これは既にアーカイブしてあり、もう投票はできません。

      There are often small bits of information that are not worth interruptting more important radio traffic for and sometimes there will be far more important things happening over the radio channel for you to be able to exchange the information you need. Hence, text messages. It's similar to police using lights to get past a red light for urgent calls that aren't technically emergencies (so no sirens and speeding across town) but are very likely about to get violent, which justifies not having to stop for red lights when someone's safety is on the line.

      Ultimately this shit it to protect people like you, so maybe be a little less vitrolic about police exchanging information, because i'm sure you're someone who likes to harp on mistakes police officers make, so don't come here and harp on police officers exchanging information to potentially correct those mistakes. Can't have your cake and eat it too.

      [–]Mister-Mayhem -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      ごめんなさい。これは既にアーカイブしてあり、もう投票はできません。

      Because I'm the one that started this vitriol? No. I responded to it. You know nothing about me, what I say, or what I do. Stop attempting to make this about something it's not to desperately be right about something.

      Did I harp? No. Don't be an apologist. Don't be glib. I truly hope you enter the field and get the respect and admiration of this group of individuals you so crave. Driving to an urgent situation (but not too urgent to where it needs radio traffic) and driving above the speed limit and through traffic lights while texting. Excellent point. I can now see why it's less dangerous than citizens doing it.

      One thing is for sure, you definitely like to argue about things you don't know about. Whether it's about who I am personally or anything else.

      [–]DaBrochacho 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

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      the law, at least in my state, is titled as using a mobile communication device while operating a motor vehicle. The law would also apply to other communication devices. Such as radios or computers, which are also very useful in police work. So if they were to do away with the exception for police officers they would also have to not use those. unless they used hands free devices, which some officers that I know actually use blue tooth.

      [–]Elsa_Issuveraen 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

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      I wasn't saying officers shouldn't use all of those, but that we should definitely be minimizing the use of handheld devices in favor of hands-free devices. Unfortunately, there's been studies showing that even with hands-free Bluetooth devices, the average driver is more impaired than an average driver with .08 BAC. Stay safe, drive safe, and don't use your devices if you don't have to while in motion.

      [–]GlenOnRedditConstable 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

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      Most of the times that I do this it's because I'm calling the complainant on the way to a job. I need to know what I'm walking into.

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        [–]RockinTheKevbot 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

        ごめんなさい。これは既にアーカイブしてあり、もう投票はできません。

        Could you imagine how many Bluetooth headsets would get lost or break during a physical altercation.

        [–]getfuckingreal 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

        ごめんなさい。これは既にアーカイブしてあり、もう投票はできません。

        I imagine they would be built into the car, most modern cars have bluetooth connectivity anyway. There's no need for bluetooth outside of the vehicle.

        [–]tko1666Patrol Officer 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

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        Hey now, that's like a $300 option... My vehicle maintenance officer told me we can't afford that.

        [–]getfuckingreal 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

        ごめんなさい。これは既にアーカイブしてあり、もう投票はできません。

        I make work related calls in my car as well, but I don't live in an Orwellian state where citizens can't make mobile calls in the car.

        [–]Hannernanner 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

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        Same in WV

        [–]DreadPiratesRobertEMT/Armed Security 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

        ごめんなさい。これは既にアーカイブしてあり、もう投票はできません。

        In my state emergency workers are. I used to be dispatched by phone, so I apologize for that.

        [–][deleted] 3ポイント4ポイント  (35子コメント)

        ごめんなさい。これは既にアーカイブしてあり、もう投票はできません。

        Most states have exceptions for Police as long as it's work related.

        [–]OurEyesArentReal 5ポイント6ポイント  (34子コメント)

        ごめんなさい。これは既にアーカイブしてあり、もう投票はできません。

        That doesn't mean it's right. Police shouldn't get special treatment just because they're police. If their department isn't providing them with equipment that allows them to do their job without breaking laws, they should find ways to fix it... not make the police exempt from those laws.

        [–][deleted] 0ポイント1ポイント  (33子コメント)

        ごめんなさい。これは既にアーカイブしてあり、もう投票はできません。

        That's not special treatment, that's enabling us to do our job. You want us to pull over to the side of the road to check our MCT while we're driving to you while your getting your ass beat? Same reason Police Officers carry guns in places civilians can't.

        [–]6CdAzQyJnmr 6ポイント7ポイント  (30子コメント)

        ごめんなさい。これは既にアーカイブしてあり、もう投票はできません。

        Stop with dramatisation, please.

        You have a siren and lights for a reason. And that reason is essentially to enable you to break traffic laws without endangering civilians. Nobody talks about the scenario when you are responding.

        But when you are simply commuting in a police car, as a part of the traffic - I think it is reasonable to expect you to respect rules you are there to enforce.

        Simply donning a uniform doesn't make you Spiderman, you don't get better reflexes or some extra danger-sense. If operating devices while driving in traffic is dangerous for civilians - it is dangerous for leos as well.

        Edit for clarity

        [–][deleted] -1ポイント0ポイント  (29子コメント)

        ごめんなさい。これは既にアーカイブしてあり、もう投票はできません。

        You have a siren and lights for a reason. And that reason is essentially to enable you to break traffic laws without endangering civilians. Nobody talks about the scenario when you are responding.

        We don't go lights and sirens to every call. I don't understand why everyone is suddenly an expert in police tactics and procedure all of sudden.

        And yeah, we DO get far more training than the average civilian in driving.

        [–]6CdAzQyJnmr -1ポイント0ポイント  (16子コメント)

        ごめんなさい。これは既にアーカイブしてあり、もう投票はできません。

        I know that you don't go lights and sirens to each and every call. But when you don't - probably you as well don't go opposite way on one way streets or through red lights. Because you know, that would create a dangerous situation. Just like operating a mobile phone while driving. So why one is OK and another is not? Do you think there are other rules and laws, optional to comply with as well?

        To be honest I'm fascinated by this communication gap. Really nice example of the disconnect existing between civilians and leos. You don't have to be an expert to challenge inconsistency and double standards. Especially on a subreddit dedicated to bringing us together )

        [–][deleted] 1ポイント2ポイント  (15子コメント)

        ごめんなさい。これは既にアーカイブしてあり、もう投票はできません。

        So why one is OK and another is not?

        It's the degree of danger.

        It's up to our discretion. While many people I work with use it a little too much in heavy traffic, it's important to be able to double check the address, location, etc, etc, and we have the training and experience to decide what to do. Just a civilian would not be penalized for using a phone for an emergency situation while driving, but it's an everyday work thing for us. Just because we CAN dosen't mean we drive around glued to our MCT.

        [–]6CdAzQyJnmr 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

        ごめんなさい。これは既にアーカイブしてあり、もう投票はできません。

        Fair enough I guess, if they trust you guns - you probably can figure out a phone, eh =)

        [–][deleted] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

        ごめんなさい。これは既にアーカイブしてあり、もう投票はできません。

        Like anything else, tragedies happen where people misjudge:

        http://www.dailynews.com/general-news/20140827/in-calabasas-death-of-cyclist-milton-olin-no-charges-against-typing-deputy

        In that case, the guy was telling someone over the computer that they weren't needed at another scene to free up a unit. He misjudged he vehicle's position and caused a tragedy.

        I can think one other case I read in the news where the guy wasn't using it to respond to something pressing and hit someone.

        However, it's kinda like negligent discharges. Hundreds of thousands of cops drive millions of miles and may unholster their gun many times. There will always be SOME degree of error. At some point, you have to trust judgement rather than make hard and fast rules about everything.

        [–][削除されました]  (12子コメント)

        ごめんなさい。これは既にアーカイブしてあり、もう投票はできません。

        [deleted]

          [–][deleted] 0ポイント1ポイント  (11子コメント)

          ごめんなさい。これは既にアーカイブしてあり、もう投票はできません。

          [–]MCXLAspiring LEO -2ポイント-1ポイント  (11子コメント)

          ごめんなさい。これは既にアーカイブしてあり、もう投票はできません。

          And yeah, we DO get far more training than the average civilian in driving.

          Is the implication here that somehow training can overcome impairment? Because that simply isn't how it works.

          If operating devices while driving in traffic is dangerous for civilians - it is dangerous for leos as well.

          Is what /u/6CdAzQyJnmr (great name BTW, rolls of the tongue) said, and it hods true no matter the training.

          Or perhaps you are saying that particular training should grant extra privileges? Because in that case we should just let race car drivers ignore speed limits (because they know what they are doing).

          I'm sorry for taking a testy tone, but really, if you want to be able to break traffic laws, lights on, eyes on the road for your safety and everyone else's.

          [–][deleted] 0ポイント1ポイント  (10子コメント)

          ごめんなさい。これは既にアーカイブしてあり、もう投票はできません。

          Jesus fuck, again, do you really think we roll lights and sirens to EVERY call where we may need to use the MCT or phone on the way? Where is the source for your vast knowledge on police procedures to make the determination that using a MCT/Phone is so dangerous than it trumps practical need?

          [–]MCXLAspiring LEO 0ポイント1ポイント  (9子コメント)

          ごめんなさい。これは既にアーカイブしてあり、もう投票はできません。

          so dangerous than it trumps practical need?

          Would you drive a patrol car drunk? We would agree that is dangerous, right?

          I don't care about "police procedure" because if that procedure is anything other than lights on when breaking traffic code, the police procedure is wrong and dangerous.

          This is an interesting one as well. http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0022437509000292

          [–][deleted] 2ポイント3ポイント  (8子コメント)

          ごめんなさい。これは既にアーカイブしてあり、もう投票はできません。

          We need to communicate while driving to car to do our job. Driving drunk does not help us do our job in any way I can think of. Communicating is essential for safety.

          http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0022437509000292

          That article shows ANY communication device distracts. So are you going to ban radios too?

          [–]ThellraAKNot a LEO 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

          ごめんなさい。これは既にアーカイブしてあり、もう投票はできません。

          With the exception of a courthouse, or a secure area of a municipal building I can carry everywhere a LEO can.

          [–][deleted] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

          ごめんなさい。これは既にアーカイブしてあり、もう投票はできません。

          That's what I'm referring too. I also worked in a gun-control heavy state, so it's a little different.

          [–]Number_06 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

          ごめんなさい。これは既にアーカイブしてあり、もう投票はできません。

          Same here. I make the same face OP does, too.

          [–]Osiris32Aspiring LEO 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

          ごめんなさい。これは既にアーカイブしてあり、もう投票はできません。

          My state makes allowances for "work-related phone calls or texts." This is meant to cover law enforcement/fire personnel but the way it reads it actually covers everyone.

          [–]btgeekboy 7ポイント8ポイント  (8子コメント)

          ごめんなさい。これは既にアーカイブしてあり、もう投票はできません。

          Bonus points if the law requires a hands free system... so the person puts it on speakerphone and holds it to their mouth like a slice of pizza. Pretty sure that doesn't count as hands-free...

          [–]pastanazgulNot a LEO 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

          ごめんなさい。これは既にアーカイブしてあり、もう投票はできません。

          You must live in California. I see that shit all the time. Drives me fucking nuts. It's like they think they've figured out a loophole.

          [–]getfuckingreal 1ポイント2ポイント  (6子コメント)

          ごめんなさい。これは既にアーカイブしてあり、もう投票はできません。

          Yea because the act of holding the phone to your ear is the distraction, not the conversation. /s

          [–]Hovsky 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

          ごめんなさい。これは既にアーカイブしてあり、もう投票はできません。

          We should ban talking to your passengers as well.

          [–]getfuckingreal 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

          ごめんなさい。これは既にアーカイブしてあり、もう投票はできません。

          And of course manual transmissions and radios.

          [–]webby_mc_webberson -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

          ごめんなさい。これは既にアーカイブしてあり、もう投票はできません。

          The difference between talking to the passenger and talking on a cell phone is that a cell phone requires that you pay closer attention to listening. When you're in a car with someone you have the benefit of proximity and body language to contribute to the communication.

          [–]Hovsky 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

          ごめんなさい。これは既にアーカイブしてあり、もう投票はできません。

          Body language? That requires you to look at them. Surely that's worse.

          [–]YoMamaIsSoFatThat 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

          ごめんなさい。これは既にアーカイブしてあり、もう投票はできません。

          A passenger can also act as a second lookout. A passenger also knows to STFU when something bad is going on and doesn't continue talking/distracting you.

          [–]JuggernautClass 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

          ごめんなさい。これは既にアーカイブしてあり、もう投票はできません。

          I guess the thought is that if their hands are free, they might actually keep both on the wheel? Or at least they won't have to steer with their knees if they want to talk and eat while driving.

          [–][deleted] 43ポイント44ポイント  (23子コメント)

          ごめんなさい。これは既にアーカイブしてあり、もう投票はできません。

          As a twenty-something, every single friend/acquaintance I have texts while driving-- in the city, on the freeway, whatever. I was in a friend's passenger seat one time and he starts reading me the details of a pro athlete's new contract. I look over and see he's actually browsing the fucking internet while driving down a crowded highway. I could have killed him. Young people do this shit and see no problem with it. When someone actually waits to text at a stoplight I figure eh, at least they're not moving.

          [–]kennensie 37ポイント38ポイント  (1子コメント)

          ごめんなさい。これは既にアーカイブしてあり、もう投票はできません。

          it's not just young people

          [–]Hovsky 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

          ごめんなさい。これは既にアーカイブしてあり、もう投票はできません。

          Sure isn't. I watched a guy swerving around on the freeway and almost hit me and two other cars. Called the local PD, but they ended up not finding him because they said I didn't need to stay on the phone (handsfree).

          Pulled up next to him, he was old enough to be retired. Texting, naturally.

          [–]MaliciousphishAspiring LEO 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

          ごめんなさい。これは既にアーカイブしてあり、もう投票はできません。

          I hate it! I'm of that same generation and all my friends do that as well. One time I was driving down the road, and there's a lady with a tiny baby in the back of her car and she looking straight down, texting on her phone... I flipped out man.

          [–]Sudden__Realization 13ポイント14ポイント  (4子コメント)

          ごめんなさい。これは既にアーカイブしてあり、もう投票はできません。

          It's getting so bad. I see people of all ages doing it. It's basically saying fuck everybody else on the road, my text is more important.

          [–][deleted] 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

          ごめんなさい。これは既にアーカイブしてあり、もう投票はできません。

          [–]ninjafacesNot a LEO 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

          ごめんなさい。これは既にアーカイブしてあり、もう投票はできません。

          That's why everyone needs to drive a manual.

          Much harder to do that shit when your shifting.

          [–]Hovsky 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

          ごめんなさい。これは既にアーカイブしてあり、もう投票はできません。

          They'd do it anyway.

          [–]collinsl02Not a LEO 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

          ごめんなさい。これは既にアーカイブしてあり、もう投票はできません。

          Happens a lot in the UK still, and almost all cars here are manual.

          People just text/phone with their right hand and steer with their knees (or not at all) when they change gear.

          Not safe at all.

          [–]AmericanGeezus 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

          ごめんなさい。これは既にアーカイブしてあり、もう投票はできません。

          My job means that I am on call 24/7. When people ask me stuff while im driving via text, usually am driving to their location at the time, when I get there I usually say something along the lines of "sorry for not responding sooner, but i havn't gotten the whole texting while driving thing down well enough." And eventually they learn that if im not responding it usually means im driving. None of them have had the balls to ask me to try and learn faster..yet.

          [–]Osiris32Aspiring LEO 14ポイント15ポイント  (12子コメント)

          ごめんなさい。これは既にアーカイブしてあり、もう投票はできません。

          That's when, at the next time the car stops, you unbuckle and get out of the car.

          "Dude, where are you going?"

          "I'm not riding with your while you're playing on your goddamn phone."

          "Aw, c'mon, it's not that dangerous!"

          "I'll make sure to tell your mom those were your last words."

          [–][削除されました]  (10子コメント)

          ごめんなさい。これは既にアーカイブしてあり、もう投票はできません。

          [deleted]

            [–]Osiris32Aspiring LEO 15ポイント16ポイント  (8子コメント)

            ごめんなさい。これは既にアーカイブしてあり、もう投票はできません。

            Actually, I'm a blast. But I lost a friend because she was texting while driving, so I don't tolerate that shit. You ever held your friend's mom as she cried over the casket of her daughter? It kinda makes you want to make sure that kind of thing never happens again.

            [–]Starbuck8757Not a LEO 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

            ごめんなさい。これは既にアーカイブしてあり、もう投票はできません。

            Hear hear.

            [–]Mister-Mayhem -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

            ごめんなさい。これは既にアーカイブしてあり、もう投票はできません。

            I hear crusades can sorta be intolerable.....

            [–]Hovsky 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

            ごめんなさい。これは既にアーカイブしてあり、もう投票はできません。

            Fun at the party, serious on the road.

            Just like you would drink at a party, don't do it while driving.

            [–]Crayzorder 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

            ごめんなさい。これは既にアーカイブしてあり、もう投票はできません。

            If one of my friends did this to me, I would laugh hysterically.

            [–]CountPanda 17ポイント18ポイント  (0子コメント)

            ごめんなさい。これは既にアーカイブしてあり、もう投票はできません。

            Driverless cars can't come soon enough.

            [–]S3w3ll 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

            ごめんなさい。これは既にアーカイブしてあり、もう投票はできません。

            Illegal here in NZ, I do my part for the community by telling them they have a flat tyre.

            [–]Tjaden4815Aspiring LEO 5ポイント6ポイント  (15子コメント)

            ごめんなさい。これは既にアーカイブしてあり、もう投票はできません。

            Does using the phone while completely stopped fall under the texting and driving stuff?

            [–]Reddit_LEODeputy Sheriff 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

            ごめんなさい。これは既にアーカイブしてあり、もう投票はできません。

            Look it up for your state. In NC, as long as you're lawfully stopped, you can use your phone for texts/email.

            [–]xodus989 5ポイント6ポイント  (5子コメント)

            ごめんなさい。これは既にアーカイブしてあり、もう投票はできません。

            Yep, it's texting and operating, not driving. Sitting at a red light is still operating.

            [–]Reddit_LEODeputy Sheriff 5ポイント6ポイント  (4子コメント)

            ごめんなさい。これは既にアーカイブしてあり、もう投票はできません。

            Depends on where you live. In NC texting/email is fine if the vehicle is lawfully parked or stopped. Pretty sure Virginia is the same.

            [–]RestrictedEnthusiast 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

            ごめんなさい。これは既にアーカイブしてあり、もう投票はできません。

            Virginia here:

            Illegal to input multiple letters for text or email except when lawfully stopped or parked. Using your phone while operating to check your phonebook or contact information or GPS and phone calls are legal.

            Emergency service vehicle operators are exempt from all handheld device laws.

            [–]quigilark 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

            ごめんなさい。これは既にアーカイブしてあり、もう投票はできません。

            Multiple letters? Is just one letter ok?

            [–]LaserSailor760Transit Enforcement Officer 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

            ごめんなさい。これは既にアーカイブしてあり、もう投票はできません。

            K

            [–]RestrictedEnthusiast 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            ごめんなさい。これは既にアーカイブしてあり、もう投票はできません。

            Yeah, actually. You can hit call, or contact, or voice operate, or go for GPS etc.

            [–]ChayBreadAcademy Cadet 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

            ごめんなさい。これは既にアーカイブしてあり、もう投票はできません。

            I believe in SC it's illegal to text while moving but at a red light or stop sign it's fine.

            [–]Hovsky 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

            ごめんなさい。これは既にアーカイブしてあり、もう投票はできません。

            Completely dependent on jurisdiction.

            Anyone giving you a blanket answer is ignoring that fact.

            [–]Tjaden4815Aspiring LEO 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

            ごめんなさい。これは既にアーカイブしてあり、もう投票はできません。

            Yeah, but the various answers from various areas do give a good idea how many officers see the issue.

            [–]Kelv37 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

            ごめんなさい。これは既にアーカイブしてあり、もう投票はできません。

            It's ok in California. I think talking on the cell while stopped is still illegal but texting is ok. California man.

            [–]Mr144Police Officer 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

            ごめんなさい。これは既にアーカイブしてあり、もう投票はできません。

            Wrongo. Here's the link to the full text of the law (texting law)

            https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/dmv/detail/pubs/vctop/vc/d11/c12/a1/23123_5

            If you're stopped at a red light and texting that is still considered driving by CA law and subject to ticket. To not be driving someone would need to be parked, ie car stopped and in park at a curb, parking lot, etc. these are the bozos browsing Facebook at a light that turns green and 30 seconds later they are still sitting there.

            [–]Kelv37 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

            ごめんなさい。これは既にアーカイブしてあり、もう投票はできません。

            There was a 2014 case that was thrown out in appellate court where the driver was stopped at a light and was using his phone's GPS device. There is functionally no difference between using a GPS app and using the facebook app.

            Facebook at a light that turns green and 30 seconds later they are still sitting there.

            Then you cite them for obstructing traffic.

            Edit: If you read the ruling you'll see that it also would apply to non-GPS applications, I gotta find it though, standby.

            Edit 2: Found it

            https://s3.amazonaws.com/s3.documentcloud.org/documents/1031494/spriggs-opinion.pdf

            While the statute may be interpreted, on its face, as the People assert, we agree with Spriggs that the statute is reasonably construed as only prohibiting engaging in a conversation on a wireless telephone while driving and holding the telephone in one’s hand. This is because the statute specifically states the telephone must be used in a manner that allows for “hands-free listening and talking.” (§ 23123(a).) It does not state that it must be used in a manner that allows for hands-free looking, hands-free operation or hands-free use, or for anything other than listening and talking. Had the Legislature intended to prohibit drivers from holding the telephone and using it for all purposes, it would not have limited the telephone’s required design and configuration to “hands-free listening and talking,” but would have used broader language, such as “hands-free operation” or “hands-free use.” To interpret section 23123(a) as applying to any use of a wireless telephone renders the “listening and talking” element nonsensical, as not all uses of a wireless telephone involve listening and talking, including looking at a map application

            [–]Mr144Police Officer 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            ごめんなさい。これは既にアーカイブしてあり、もう投票はできません。

            That would be great if it was the section that I quoted. However it isn't. That case law pertains to 23123(a) VC which was the original cell phone law in California. The law I quoted was 23123.5 VC which pertains to texting.

            Conversely, I actually agree with that appeal. A lot of officers were citing 23123 (a) VC for people doing things besides texting such as GPS or Facebook, reddit, internet, etc when the more appropriate section is and has been 23123.5. Now, I see some wiggle room with the GPS since it is both text based as picture base, however since the directions often pop up text based that the law would stick.

            Some of the worst people I've pulled over that I thought were drunk as a skunk were people using their gps in their hand while driving.

            [–][deleted] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            ごめんなさい。これは既にアーカイブしてあり、もう投票はできません。

            Varies by state.

            [–]Anti-ethic 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

            ごめんなさい。これは既にアーカイブしてあり、もう投票はできません。

            I was on a ride along with an officer at my local department. We were stopped at a red light, same situation. The officer glared at the person with pretty much the same face kermit is giving...the person did not turn to look--just stopped, paused, and slowly put the phone away.

            [–]webby_mc_webberson 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

            ごめんなさい。これは既にアーカイブしてあり、もう投票はできません。

            Sometimes if you don't look at a police officer they can't see you.

            [–]FlyTrap50Police Officer 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

            ごめんなさい。これは既にアーカイブしてあり、もう投票はできません。

            My favorite is when people see me and immediately drop their phone without moving their hand. Smoooth.

            [–]SunnySkies11 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

            ごめんなさい。これは既にアーカイブしてあり、もう投票はできません。

            I'll admit to doing this on more than one occasion

            [–]Naznarreb 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

            ごめんなさい。これは既にアーカイブしてあり、もう投票はできません。

            The last speeding ticket I got I pretty much gift-wrapped for the officer. I was coming back from an all-night gaming session and was doing about 85 in a 65 on the freeway. It was about 6am on a Sunday and the only other car on the road was in the lane ahead of me and going too slow so I changed lanes to go around them. Wasn't until I saw the silhouette in the rear-view that I realized I just passed a cop. I slowed down right away, but of course it was waaay too late. Didn't even try to talk my way out of it.

            [–]GlenOnRedditConstable 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

            ごめんなさい。これは既にアーカイブしてあり、もう投票はできません。

            There's nothing more hilarious than seeing the surprise on a person's face when a pushbike cop knocks on the driver's window in slow moving traffic.

            I work a CBD entertainment precinct. On quiet(er) weekday shifts, I sometimes book out one of our pushbikes. I'm still qualified from when I was patrols, and need the workout. Bikes are the fastest way to cross the city block on weekdays.

            I've often thought our Police should do a advert showing people being caught breaking the law by a pushbike cop, and then just like the Australian tourism advert say "Where the fuck did he come from?"

            [–][deleted] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

            ごめんなさい。これは既にアーカイブしてあり、もう投票はできません。

            It's actually legal in most states. They have to be in motion.

            [–]DJWubson 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

            ごめんなさい。これは既にアーカイブしてあり、もう投票はできません。

            Hey Officers! Given this conversation, what are your thoughts on driverless vehicles? What do you think the laws will be like governing passengers inside and those responsible for them? For example, do you think companies will get tickets if there's a bug that causes something to speed up too much one day, as opposed to the person inside the vehicle?

            [–]PirateKiltRetired USAF SFS / SP[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

            ごめんなさい。これは既にアーカイブしてあり、もう投票はできません。

            Can't stand the idea of one for myself, but for many drivers on the road they would be a huge improvement.

            As the people inside would effectively be "passengers", the rules that currently apply to such occupants would still hold sway... That said, before they go full legal, there will have to be some huge re-writes of many laws... some of the vehicles have zero controls inside other than keyboards to type in destinations... does that mean everyone inside can get be drunk? For that matter, would they be like "party busses" where the driver is walled off, so all the occupants can drink while they travel?

            Then there will be the impact of "who is to blame" when one of them goes out of control due to bad software/user fiddling with software/hackers/sunspots/etc...

            [–]bookwenchNot a LEO 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

            ごめんなさい。これは既にアーカイブしてあり、もう投票はできません。

            I did this once! And only once, mind you. Newly back to the US after living overseas, lost in the neighborhood near my new work, had my new phone in my hand trying to GPS my way out of there and home. Stopped at a red light with my windows down. Cop pulls up next to me and coughs. I look up and smile because hey, friendly cop! (I had just moved from a small town.)

            He stares at me just like this and tells me through his open window it's a $350 fine for using a phone while driving; I, like an idiot, show him it's on my GPS and tell him I'm lost. He stares at me like I'm slow and repeats himself, I get the hint and put it away, then pull into a gas station to try and figure out how to get home...

            I'm eternally grateful for his patience that day....

            [–]stealthghandiNot a LEO 4ポイント5ポイント  (4子コメント)

            ごめんなさい。これは既にアーカイブしてあり、もう投票はできません。

            Speaking as a motorcyclist, I hope he resisted and you had to tase him. (taze?)

            [–]ASigIAm213Aspiring LEO 6ポイント7ポイント  (3子コメント)

            ごめんなさい。これは既にアーカイブしてあり、もう投票はできません。

            The weapon is a Taser, so I believe it would be "tase".

            [–]ILikeGunsNKnivesState Trooper 12ポイント13ポイント  (2子コメント)

            ごめんなさい。これは既にアーカイブしてあり、もう投票はできません。

            I Thomas A Swift Electric-ted him!

            [–]night_stockerAspiring LEO 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

            ごめんなさい。これは既にアーカイブしてあり、もう投票はできません。

            Don't Thomas A Swift Electronic Rifle me bro!

            [–]collinsl02Not a LEO 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            ごめんなさい。これは既にアーカイブしてあり、もう投票はできません。

            Back around the invention of Electricity, when Edison had come up with Direct Current and Westinghouse had invented Alternating Current, Edison decided to try and rubbish Westinghouse's system so he could be a monopoly - Edison started spreading the lie that AC was much more dangerous than DC, and to prove the point he decided to electrocute an elephant which had been sentenced to death for killing a trainer.

            But of course back then there was no word for electrocution, so people started to come up with some names for it - names under consideration included amperemort, electromort and dynamort. Edison came up with the phrase "to Westinghouse", which obviously wasn't accepted by the dictionaries.

            [–]Hovsky 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            ごめんなさい。これは既にアーカイブしてあり、もう投票はできません。

            It's at a red light. I totally get the issue with texting while driving (talking less so), but seriously who cares if someone uses a phone at a red light?