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Reddit banned "animated CP" subs like /r/lolicons as well (archive.is)

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[–]CodioBunny 86ポイント87ポイント  (8子コメント)

This could have been easily put behind the quarantine, why are they banning subs instead of using their new quarantine feature?

[–]DangerChipmunk 66ポイント67ポイント  (2子コメント)

Well they have to make sure to purge reddit of bad think, of course.

[–]redbreadredemption 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

the purge is for the outright detractors,

while the gulags-- i mean quaratine is for those who they think might be redeemed by re-ducation and brainwashing later on.

[–]Belzarr 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Reddit is a self imposed gulag for mods....

[–]DragonDai 24ポイント25ポイント  (0子コメント)

Because the quarantine system, as outlined previously, is just a smokescreen...a temporary measure that they are using so that they can single out the subs to ban.

When they first talked about it, I too believe they meant what they said. Silly me. It's obvious now that in a couple months, when the dust settles, there will be 0 quarantined subs and any sub that's ever been quarantined will be banned.

Or, to put it another way, /u/spez is a dirty, dirty liar.

[–]DrWhiskeydick 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

If I'm going to be totally honest, I think this is far more justifiable than banning FPH. For a lot of users this poses a risk of legal ramification for using features of the site. Not that we should blanket ban everything that goes against the legal sensibilities of every single nation, but I think this is a pretty small concession and if we're going to argue things on a case by case basis, which I think we should, I'm comfortable with these subs being banned way before I'm comfortable with neofag being banned.

Also I'll take this opportunity to say this, and I will take any vaguely relevant opportunity to say this until it happens. HOW THE FUCK IS SRS NOT BANNED YET!

[–]FuckAllRedditCEOs 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

For a lot of users this poses a risk of legal ramification for using features of the site.

I know it's illegal in my country, for example.

[–]DrWhiskeydick 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Right, and someone could link to it, you could stumble on a link to the sub in any number of ways without actively seeking it out. Point is, I get how that could be a justifiable reason for banning it, but the given reason I'm not sure I'm all in with, even if the effect of the ban is something I do agree with, in this case.

[–]tawiuht 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

What is a quarantine feature?

[–]seoulsun 121ポイント122ポイント  (3子コメント)

Those poor pixels.

[–]raffastafarian 64ポイント65ポイント  (2子コメント)

Won't somebody think of the imaginary, cartoon catgirl children??

[–]PM_ME_UR_RAINBOWS 24ポイント25ポイント  (1子コメント)

Shitting from their dicknipples. They're crying now and it's all Reddits fault!

[–]ggthxnore 107ポイント108ポイント  (14子コメント)

It was just about "hate speech", right? No censorship slippery slope at all. That's just paranoid ramblings.

[–]APGJesseAPGNation 35ポイント36ポイント  (8子コメント)

Holy ball bags, lolicons and coontown

Snap son

[–]AntonioOfVeniceRuns /r/polygon \ Karma King of late April 2015 76ポイント77ポイント  (7子コメント)

Funny how /u/spez himself said that Coontown would not be banned.

Shows how untrustworthy Reddit admins and CEOs are.

[–]DragonDai 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah. Today's events have just proven that /u/spez is a dirty, dirty liar who isn't interested in keeping reddit open and free and in only interested in pushing a strongly SJW agenda.

And until they start banning subs like SRS and SRD, there's no way that anyone could convince me of anything else.

[–]tinkertoy78 20ポイント21ポイント  (1子コメント)

To be honest I don't think it's a question of lying. More a case of one hand not knowing what the other is doing.

[–]APGJesseAPGNation 8ポイント9ポイント  (3子コメント)

Did I say that? Me can not remember but I am surprised they did

Back to my sandwich, thanks babes

(didn't read what you said properly, I am obviously not spez :P)

[–]fwipyok 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN TRUT YOU ANYMORE

[–]HBlight 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

YOU CAN GO TRUT YOURSELF.

[–]fwipyok 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

That was unfortunate :(

[–]sailor_moon_irl 34ポイント35ポイント  (3子コメント)

Wowie zowie! Somebody's scared that the advertisers are gonna catch on to how creepy Reddit actually is!

[–]mansplain 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

OK buddy. Now check the ages on the "must be married" nations.

[–]mrsqueakyvoice97 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

Why is there not public outrage about mexico

[–]student28567271 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Same reason as there's not public outrage about child marriage in the middle east.

[–]87612446F7 154ポイント155ポイント  (95子コメント)

what the fuck is "animated cp"? they're not real.

not.

real.

[–]Urishima 55ポイント56ポイント  (91子コメント)

Well, there ARE countries where it is actually outlawed. The UK is one of them, if memory serves me right.

At least, that is the excuse they are likely using.

[–]kvxdev 63ポイント64ポイント  (68子コメント)

Canada passed that law under Harper and even though I don't care for lolicon, f*** thought crimes and attacks on Arts.

[–]Ponsari 62ポイント63ポイント  (9子コメント)

It's not even that. If you make every option pedophiles have not to harm children while satisfying their sexual needs illegal, guess what? They'll become criminals, you give them no choice.

And since watching pretend child porn where no minors were involved gets the same punishment as watching the real thing, why would they not go for it? Thus creating demand...

Congratulations, in order to stop harmless pretend child porn you just created actual demand for actual child porn with real victims and lives destroyed. Good job, indeed.

[–]evil-doer 16ポイント17ポイント  (2子コメント)

This may be true. I know for a fact that playing violent video games, watching a violent movie, or playing aggressive music is ABSOLUTELY an outlet for anger for me, and ends up calming me down. In fact I think this has been proven to be the case with the vast majority of people.

I dont think anything that doesnt directly harm people should be illegal.

[–]downvote_allmy_posts 17ポイント18ポイント  (1子コメント)

but drawings cant concent! /s

[–]theAmazingShitlord 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Some days ago, SRS linked comments from a particular game subreddit, don't recall which one, about a new female character. According to them, users of that subreddit were "objectifying" the new video game character.

I mean... ok... I don't think they realize that a video game character is, actually, an object. It's a collection of pixels, 3d model files, and programming.

EDIT: Found it. Not going to link it, you can find it yourselves by searching. Comments there are just gold:

Posts like this just make me really sad. I know the character isn't real but I can't help feeling bad for her.

[–]kvxdev 12ポイント13ポイント  (3子コメント)

I'm not of the school of thought that you are "forced" to to wrongful acts. But, then again, I am of the free speech one as well as the rehabilitation not punishment one. The though on crime mentality has got to go. People are not going to lose their blood thirst anytime soon, but a government should be better than the individuals composing it, not worse.

[–]Ponsari 15ポイント16ポイント  (2子コメント)

Well, you're not forced to be a criminal. You can either be a criminal or have no sexual life (not even by yourself). I wonder how anyone would choose crime /s

[–]vonmonologue 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

That's not true. The rioter in Ferguson were forced to be criminals due to the fact that most of the county government and law enforcement were white, even though most of Ferguson is black.

... Which is really odd since supposedly none of the people rioting were from Ferguson anyway, they were all out of towners who drove for hours to come loot.

But they were still forced!

[–]Slutmiko 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

They fully know this, and they want it to happen so they can have an excuse to oppress the populace further.

[–]warsie 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It gets even better. The government throws people in jail for self-created child porn (which negates the 'harm principle' - and there's a big difference between *chan site users POSSIBLY getting obsessive and doxxy looking for tits or gtfo and oh, I dunno the state using its long stick to fuck you in the ass). That's right, 11, 12 and 14 year olds - you can be thrown in jail for being a camwhore on the internet. And these motherfuckers have the audacity to talk about 'freedom'...

[–]NonsenseAndVerve 30ポイント31ポイント  (3子コメント)

Yea, it makes me really uneasy too, but isn't the whole point of CP laws to protect minors from exploitation in the creation of the pictures/videos? Drawings clearly do not involve the exploitation of a minor in their creation, and could actually be argued to give pedophiles a safe outlet that harms no one.

[–]kvxdev 13ポイント14ポイント  (1子コメント)

My point exactly. It's one thing if it's proven to do harm (then it becomes a discussion of which does the most harm), but until then, a drawing is nowhere near a real life picture. Also, it's up to the judge to evaluate how old the character looks, and they seem to go by breast size and pubic hair which, for hentai, means that at least 50%+ could easily be judged illegal here.

[–]genericusername348 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

Australian government a few years back (2010?) tried to ban small breasted women (even over 18) and female ejaculation in porn lol

[–]warsie -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Child Porn laws aren't made to protect minors. Honestly a lot of those laws seems designed to just fuck over people now, even if they're children themselves. If the people who made those laws gave half a shit they wouldn't end up censoring studies which contradict folk knowledge on what child pornography and pedophilia 'does' to people. Look up the book 'The Trauma Myth' for what I mean. Also, see the study I linked below.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rind_et_al._controversy

[–]DestroyedArkana 7ポイント8ポイント  (9子コメント)

In Canada I believe the law is that even if it's drawn and fictional, displaying an underage character for purely pornographic purposes is illegal.

[–]kvxdev 13ポイント14ポイント  (8子コメント)

Yes indeed, thanks to the Conservative "though on crime" and "down on arts" mentality... Again, don't really care, but there was a case of someone having hentai and the judge decided the stated age of the characters did not matter, they "looked young". That's some fine level of crazy.

[–]Mashiki 1ポイント2ポイント  (7子コメント)

You realize it's been on the books since 1985, when the C-46(updated criminal code) came into being right.

[–]kvxdev 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

Not the electronic or drawing representation, no. That's the 2012 bill.

[–]Mashiki -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

Nope, that was included in 1993, c. 46, s. 2. Which of course was during the liberals tenure.

[–]kvxdev 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

... http://www.canlii.org/en/ca/scc/doc/2001/2001scc2/2001scc2.html "In light of Parliament’s purpose of criminalizing possession of material that poses a reasoned risk of harm to children, the word “person” in the definition of child pornography should be construed as including visual works of the imagination as well as depictions of actual people." 2001

But here: http://www.canlii.org/en/bc/bcsc/doc/2010/2010bcsc1911/2010bcsc1911.html "[37](a)(i) that shows a person who is or is depicted as being under the age of eighteen years and is engaged in or is depicted as engaged in explicit sexual activity{...}" You'll notice it now includes depiction or people older than 18 pretending to be younger.

[–]Mashiki 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

You realize in the first link that's the redefinition of the word "person" in the eyes of the SCC for the purposes of the law, for determing whether or not it fell into the definition under "person" in the criminal code itself. And the second case is for actual child pornography right, the section you quoted is directly from the criminal code.

You also seemed to have missed this:

other visual representation, whether or not it was made by electronic or mechanical means

[–]simuhalo 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

It was still the conservative party, although the Progressive Conservative's were more closer to the centre on social issues than the conservatives are at the moment.

[–]Mashiki 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

And it was voted in by all the parties in power? Meaning the PC's, Libs, etc so I guess there's plenty of blame to go around right? It sure wasn't Harper who did it which is what the parent poster is alluding to.

[–]Mashiki 4ポイント5ポイント  (10子コメント)

Yeah, except it didn't happen under Harper. It happened in 1985 and all parties voted unanimously for it, it was written into law when C-46(Criminal Code) superseded the old criminal code.

[–]kvxdev 0ポイント1ポイント  (9子コメント)

C-46 passed in 2012.

[–]Mashiki 0ポイント1ポイント  (8子コメント)

You might not realize this, but bills recycle their designation by year. That means you can have a C-46 in 1985, 1992, 1993, 2010, 2012, 2020, etc. That's why modifications in the criminal code are always written like this:

"Year, Bill, Section."

[–]kvxdev 1ポイント2ポイント  (7子コメント)

And the depiction of children (but not actual children) was not included until much later. Funny how you state 1985 here and in the other fork, you state 1993. Still, neither penalized drawing until later, under the Conservative government. Nice try.

[–]Mashiki 1ポイント2ポイント  (6子コメント)

Funny how you miss the wording of the law, and miss that it was penalized earlier. Or did you miss R. v. Sharpe for example? Neither was penalized until later? Okay there. Don't get so butthurt that you missed it.

Oh and of course. If you want to go back earlier you need a paperback edition, just a FYI I have read the original C-46 when it became a law in force, and the version from 1993.

[–]kvxdev 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/C-46/section-163.1-20030101.html#wb-cont

Look at (a)(i)that shows a person who is or is depicted as being under the age of eighteen years and is engaged in or is depicted as engaged in explicit sexual activity, or {...}

You realize this does not target drawings, right? And from your link "Version of section 163.1 from 2003-01-01 to 2005-10-31:" It changed post 2005-10. It made the newspaper when it was changed.

But you are right that R. v. Sharpe opened the thought crime flood gate and gave them the idea of how to change the law in the first place. "or imaginary person". What an incredible repressive view.

[–]Mashiki 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

You realize this does not target drawings, right?

Uh.

In this section, “child pornography” means

(a) a photographic, film, video or other visual representation, whether or not it was made by electronic or mechanical means,

"other visual representation" is anything, including a drawing. You know that right?

[–]sjwking 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is the definition of a thought crime. Nobody was hurtbut some peoples feefes.

What's next to be banned by law?

  • Drawn beastiality?
  • Burning religious symbols?
  • Writing/saying/expressing that religions are fake?
  • Disagreeing with SJWism?

[–]Huntrrz 3ポイント4ポイント  (12子コメント)

I thought it was in the US as well (that the standard was 'depiction of' rather than only photos or film of actual children).

[–]Levy_Wilson 18ポイント19ポイント  (8子コメント)

The law is so fucking subjective that there's no point in a website even taking a chance at hosting it.

A law created to protect children is also hurting men fapping to cartoons. Let your mind wrap around that for a bit.

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    [–]Gaffots 5ポイント6ポイント  (6子コメント)

    I can't think of a single case in the US where someone was charged just for having lolicon, they always have real CP to go with it.

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      [–]Ging287 6ポイント7ポイント  (4子コメント)

      Further reading: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_status_of_cartoon_pornography_depicting_minors#United_States

      There -was- a clause in the PROTECT Act which criminalized drawn cartoon minors, but it was struck down. So now only images obscene according to the 'Miller test' are qualified as obscene and illegal. One guy was charged, and was given a plea deal of 6 months instead of 20 years because of the liklihood of a constitutional test.

      [–]furluge 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

      There -was- a clause in the PROTECT Act which criminalized drawn cartoon minors, but it was struck down

      Did you not read your own link? It explicitly mentions they still charged him with obscenity for it. And I'm pretty sure that will still get you on a sex offender registry, which means you are screwed for life unless you enjoy living under a bridge or being randomly re-incarcerated for arbitrary reasons.

      Parts of the law testing the criminalization of a "visual depiction of any kind" has been tried in the courts. In the Dwight Whorley case, a conviction was upheld on appeal to the Fourth Circuit. The court noted that the minors depicted in obscene material need not exist. The Supreme Court would later refuse to review Whorley. However, in the 2008 Christopher Handley case, a judge overturned parts of the PROTECT Act as unconstitutional while charging Handley with a lesser obscenity charge.

      They then go on to mention individual state laws and show cases for it up to 2012 in Missouri where the man plea bargained for a 3 year jail sentence. He's on the Sex Offender registry in Missouri too. (Because I looked it up in the registry. The specific offense listed is "POSSESSION OF OBSCENE VISUAL REPRESENTATIONS OF THE SEXUAL ABUSE OF CHILDREN")

      In October 2012, after being reported August 2011 by his wife, a 36-year-old man named Christian Bee in Monett, Missouri entered a plea bargain to "possession of cartoons depicting child pornography", with the US attorney's office for the Western District of Missouri recommending a 3-year prison sentence without parole. The office in conjunction with the Southwest Missouri Cyber Crimes Task Force argued that the "Incest Comics" on Bee's computer "clearly lack any literary, artistic, political or scientific value"

      In October 2012, after being reported August 2011 by his wife, a 36-year-old man named Christian Bee in Monett, Missouri entered a plea bargain to "possession of cartoons depicting child pornography", with the US attorney's office for the Western District of Missouri recommending a 3-year prison sentence without parole. The office in conjunction with the Southwest Missouri Cyber Crimes Task Force argued that the "Incest Comics" on Bee's computer "clearly lack any literary, artistic, political or scientific value"

      So, notice the last phrase, that's important, because, here's the miller test.

      • Whether "the average person, applying contemporary community standards", would find that the work, taken as a whole, appeals to the prurient interest,
      • Whether the work depicts or describes, in a patently offensive way, sexual conduct or excretory functions specifically defined by applicable state law,
      • Whether the work, taken as a whole, lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value.

      The guys who will want to lock you up so they can pad their resumes and extract money from you while you're incarcerated while justifying their prison budget are the ones who will decide if whatever it is you have will pass that test.

      Protip: They're going to say it passes the test as being obscene because they want to lock you up. It has happened to real porn filmed between consenting informed adults. You the nobody holding your loli pronz is fucked.

      PS: I hate myself for referencing Wikipedia

      [–]Drop_ 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Did you not read your own link? It explicitly mentions they still charged him with obscenity for it. And I'm pretty sure that will still get you on a sex offender registry, which means you are screwed for life unless you enjoy living under a bridge or being randomly re-incarcerated for arbitrary reasons.

      He literally referenced that in his 3 sentence comment.

      There -was- a clause in the PROTECT Act which criminalized drawn cartoon minors, but it was struck down. So now only images obscene according to the 'Miller test' are qualified as obscene and illegal.

      [–]DevilsJester 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      It varies state to state. Some states have it banned and you can get arrested for having it. Others don't care about lolicon. Realistically if the reddit servers are in a location where loli is banned they would be breaking the law if they left loli on the servers.

      [–]Urishima -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

      I think I remember some bloke getting put in jail over it in the US, now that you mention it.

      [–]NearFutureMan 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

      It was for obscenity not child porn.

      A much lesser charge but one that websites are more afraid of then individuals because while it's an extremely minor offense for an individual and way to costly for the officials to actually prosecute widely or purposefully, it's just as much a kiss of death as CP is to a corporation because it is worth the governments time to prosecute.

      [–]Hamakua 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I did a paper on Ashcroft vs. Free Speech Coalition which is the SCOTUS case that confronts an aspect of this.

      Essentially, if it crosses state lines it's subject to the Miller Test.

      I do not know if online communication and transfer of files falls under the purview of the postmaster general though - which was the excuse the US government used to lock away Christopher Handley for having what was considered an "obscene" manga sent to him from Japan.

      http://www.wired.com/2010/02/obscene-us-manga-collector-jailed-6-months/

      I have not kept up with the law so things might have changed one way or another - but essentially it comes down to a "miller test".

      [–]Drop_ 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      US Also, technically.

      [–]Dr0gar -1ポイント0ポイント  (3子コメント)

      Illegal in germany as well.

      [–]Urishima 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

      germany

      Are you sure about that?

      [–]Dr0gar -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

      jep. German law student. https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinderpornografie

      [–]Leonelf 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I kinda expected this. Make a petition. I hate our government.

      [–]mcantrell -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

      It's technically illegal in the US, the same law that created the Amber Alert system criminalized it. Thanks to good old Jon "That statue of lady justice is too sexy, better put a burqua on her" Ashcroft.

      [–]Ging287 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

      It's technically illegal in the US, the same law that created the Amber Alert system criminalized it.

      It's complicated. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_status_of_cartoon_pornography_depicting_minors#United_States <- It's complicated. See above comment.

      [–]Neo_TechniDon't demand what you refuse to give. 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

      And to compare them to real rape victims is offensive and degrading.

      [–]merrickx 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

      My younger cousin would be so upset if this was banned from tumblr.

      [–]warsie 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Tell her(him? they?) to go to a *chan site then.

      Tumblr isnt under siege from censorship/oppressors, it's funny (sorry for giving this idea out) that /pol/ hasn't decided to do a reverse operation where they send emails and talk about tumblr having shoplifting and doxxign and shit to try to take down the site. And sorry, as lol I can see /pol/ doing that right noe...

      [–]Rygar_the_Beast 21ポイント22ポイント  (4子コメント)

      So how is Voat doing now?

      [–]AN4RCHID 39ポイント40ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Welp, so much for 'banning for actions not ideas.'

      [–]Qix213 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

      The action of having an idea.

      [–]HBlight 34ポイント35ポイント  (5子コメント)

      Now KIA is the only reason butts has to visit reddit.

      [–]Nex983 12ポイント13ポイント  (3子コメント)

      Nope, /r/SexWithDogs/ still exists. It's not even quarantined.

      [–]tinkyXIII 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

      What in the jolly green chucklefuck... I want to hope they just haven't gotten around to culling this one yet. Please tell me this one is next.

      [–]Nex983 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

      They just don't care until too many people (and media) start talking about disgusting subreddits. People whine about /r/fatpeoplehate/? Ban it. People notice /r/coontown/? Ban it. There are subreddits like these? Ah, fuck it, we will pretend they don't exist until too many people notice them.

      [–]Bitofawanker -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I didn't want to know that

      [–]Neo_TechniDon't demand what you refuse to give. 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

      There aren't beastiality subs?

      [–]zagielCan apparently tell the future 0_o 12ポイント13ポイント  (4子コメント)

      i think lolicons and pedophile are 2 different beast all together

      pretty sure most lolicons dont like real kids, 2D > 3D

      [–]Leonelf 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

      Who cares? I'm fine with paedophiles, they can't do anything about their sexuality. He problem are child molesters!

      [–]zagielCan apparently tell the future 0_o 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Well, it's not my problem whatever people do with their junk. The moment they start involving other people, then it become problem

      [–]Leonelf 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

      That's what I mean. But in the US "pedophile" seems to be a synonym for child molester...

      [–]warsie 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Are you saying that...3D is PD ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

      [–]UberAndrewMore traps than Ghazi 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Okay, this is pretty bullshit.

      Animated people are not real people. Animated "children" are nothing more than paper and ink, or pixels if their digital. They're not actually children, they're not alive, they don't have an actual age and they're not engaging in actual sex.

      This is most certainly banning ideas instead of behavior.

      [–]Irvin700 43ポイント44ポイント  (9子コメント)

      That's so goofy. They're drawings!! At least those people get to satisfy their urges on animated stuff than the real thing. A lesser evil.

      [–]fwipyok 32ポイント33ポイント  (7子コメント)

      ... it's gateway porn.

      First you wank to just loli but you quickly find yourself walking to the hardware store to buy some gorilla tape and chloroform

      [–]Frustratinglack 43ポイント44ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Man this slope is so slippery, I can't possibly hold all these oranges.

      [–]PM_Squid_Lulu_R34 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

      This is some first year logic class type shit.

      [–]Der_Process 12ポイント13ポイント  (3子コメント)

      It's a gateway to /r/sexwithdogs

      [–]finalremix 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

      When I hovered over that link, I honestly wanted "subreddit not found" more than anything just then... what the fuck, reddit?

      [–]TheThng 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Truly a sub for everything.

      [–]drkitteh 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Not for raccoon villages

      [–]NeonMan 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Postal is gateway to rampage shootings.

      Logic!

      [–]Limon_LimeSeven-37k Get. Eleven more drug deals. 48k Get. 29ポイント30ポイント  (6子コメント)

      The anime community will not be happy about this.

      [–]drkitteh 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

      God damn it, watching Fate/Kalied Liner Prisma Illya 3 times doesn't make me a pedophile.

      [–]PM_Squid_Lulu_R34 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

      I just woke up and I thought this shit was a dream cause like where are we? The 1970s?

      [–]PintSizedPinata 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I made a new "not" loli sub if you're interested. Feel free to post but make sure to read the rules! You can find the name if you click my username and look at moderated subreddits.

      [–]SageofLightning 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Monster Masmune is one of the most popular shows this season, and features two lolis(technically one is fully adult with a young teen like body, and the other is a slime girl whose proportions change with how hydrated she is)

      [–]warsie 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

      The admins might not stop until all the hentai subreddits are gone! This is the gentrification of the internet :o

      [–]Limon_LimeSeven-37k Get. Eleven more drug deals. 48k Get. 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I wouldn't doubt it.

      [–]mbnhedger 45ポイント46ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Wont anyone think of the pixels.

      I would understand a quarantine but ban is probably a bit much for drawn images.

      [–]Gyroo- 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

      From their rules:

      Photographs, videos, or digital images of you in a state of nudity or engaged in any act of sexual conduct, taken without your permission. This includes child sexual abuse imagery, which we will report to authorities, content that encourages or promotes pedophilia or sexual imagery–including animated content–that involves individuals under the age of 18.

      You can't even say that a character in a drawing is or isn't under 18, there's simply no criteria for judging that. You could draw a baby and claim that is a 90 year old, drawn characters don't necessarily represent anything close to reality.

      [–]krabstarr 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

      And that whole paragraph is under the heading "What is involuntary pornography?" which makes makes the section on animated content puzzling and makes the section as a whole confusing. How did it get from "pictures and video taken without your permission" to that?

      I would say that if they want to have a policy about child sexual abuse and have that include animated content, then fine, but make it clear, give it it's own section of the "unwelcome content" list and don't hide it under involuntary pornography.

      [–]Gyroo- 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Yep.

      I guess maybe you could do a drawing of an actual real life minor, which could maybe be considered child porn, but that's a ridiculous fringe case. It's not really involuntary if the person exists purely in fiction and is not a real world agent.

      [–]PeytonHS 16ポイント17ポイント  (2子コメント)

      Lolicon related stuff is always treated as a grey area for websites. It is illegal in some countries, and legal in others, so even most porn sites don't allow it because they would rather not deal with the backlash and moderation required to host content like this. They would rather just ban it and not deal with the headache.

      Since loli and shota are such grey issues, can't really say I blame them for this one too much.

      [–]Romney2008button masher 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Nooooooo, won't anybody think of the sexy, fictional children?

      [–]FeedMeSpiders 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

      FUCK!

      [–]mjoraque 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Always remember, the SJWs are afraid of the samurai.

      Herbivores in Japan have already escaped feminine oppression through the 2D.

      Lolicon was part of this victory that the men of Japan had secured for themselves.

      The feminists here are afraid of what Japan's advanced moe-blobs will do to men here. They have no choice but to ban it, because they know they cannot compete for the attention of men in the same way that Hatsune Miku can.

      [–]warsie -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

      going full MGTOW

      [–]Arkeld 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Murder: illegal

      Virtual murder (games, movies, comics): legal

      CP: illegal

      Virtual CP (games, movies, comics): ?

      [–]Meowsticgoesnya0018-1877-0794 3DS Friend code, remember to give me yours[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Still legal depending on the country, America, where reddit is hosted, tends to lean on the legal side, that's why sites like Imgur have been hosting the content for years and only now has Reddit been removing loli subs.

      [–]ThatManMustBeAnAlien 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Well I'm taking my ass to voat. Fuck reddit. This is ridiculous.

      [–]Confehdehrehtheh 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

      The front page of /v/all is almost entirely MeanwhileonReddit and fatpeoplehate posts. It's getting pretty old quick.

      [–]Macismyname 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

      So people were born with an attraction to young girls and want to work out that attraction online through looking at cartoons in a way that does not harm any real life children instead of repressing those feelings for years until it got to the point they acted out that attraction in a real world way. Now they can't.

      Good job reddit, you are literally making the world less safe for children.

      [–]warsie 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      THINK OF THE 8,000 year old loli aliens redditor!

      Don't be a shitlord too! ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

      [–]PintSizedPinata 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

      I made a new subreddit for lolicons if anyone is in need. I can't link it here but just click my profile and look at my moderated subreddits to find it!

      [–]Doomblaze 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

      totally not loli, so it should be okay!

      [–]PintSizedPinata 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Yes, we only post pictures of people 18+!

      [–]SpiritualSuccessorsActually it's about ethics in moderation tools. (◕‿◕✿) 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

      I thought that all of those disturbingly young girls were actually 10,000 year old demons. Why would Japan lie like that?

      [–]tinkyXIII 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I've got more bad news for you, Jimmy. You know that katana you bought at the flea market last weekend? Well, damn thing can't even carve a glazed ham, much less slice through a tank.

      [–]SpawnPointGuard 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Is it okay if you drew them eighteen years ago?

      [–]dannylew 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

      The appropriate response

      [–]eirexe 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

      THIS IS BULLSHIT

      [–]Towl3r 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      They Shouldn't Ban these subs or quarrentine them, They don't harm anyone and they're not real kids. Some may find it unerving but its still technically a form of art that can and should be freely expressed.

      As the saying goes "all it is are lines and colour, these drawings have no father or mother".

      [–]Leonelf 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Pomf is gone as well ;( Well, both had their revival on voat, so at least they still exist.

      [–]SPARTAN_TOASTER 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      yeah, I can kind of understand this. Am I happy about it? Oh fuck no, it should have just been quarantined it's about on the same level of fucked up as /r/watchpeopledie (although /r/watchpeopledie is worse because real people are killed or hurt) but still it's no worse in public view really.

      [–]mnemosyne-0000#BotYourShield / https://i.imgur.com/6X3KtgD.jpg 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Archive links for this discussion:

      I am Mnemosyne, goddess of memory. I remember so you don't have to.

      [–]warsie -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Honestly, the reddit userbase should have risen up with the bullshit with creepshots, jailbait and violentacrez. Because we simply let them get away with that, they were able to engage in the slippery slop of banning other controversial shit, to what we see happening right here where the admins admit they couldnt get anything really to nail coontown but did so anyway (I'm black, so I'm ok with coontown and whatnot being banned - but it's still a violation of freeze peach)

      [–]nikomo -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I understand them, it's a legally grey zone, I believe at least Australia has legislation on this, and some other places it's still in the grey.

      Allowing that content, does not make you popular with law enforcement in the Five Eyes countries.

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        [–]Sualtaim 5ポイント6ポイント  (4子コメント)

        They aren't. It's only the CP ones that have been banned.

        [–]lordsmish -1ポイント0ポイント  (3子コメント)

        Well they dont exist anymore

        [–]Sualtaim 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

        What are you on about? /r/hentai and /r/rule34 are still on there. Reddit would lose its shit if r34 got banned.

        [–]Alzael 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Damn right.They start messing with my Chun-Li porn and it's revolution up in bitch!

        [–]lordsmish 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

        You know what im a fucking idiot

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