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[–]keedro 97ポイント98ポイント  (9子コメント)

Unless you're driving.

[–]Tolmos 574ポイント575ポイント  (252子コメント)

It's an odd concept that I can't really get behind; it basically views women as inferior to men, and unable to retain their senses in the same situations in which men are capable of doing so. It is literally treating women as children, and men as the consenting adult supervisors of those children, responsible for making sure to protect the women not only from themselves but also from those around them.

I can't get behind that. My definition of equality doesn't really jive with that way of thinking.

[–]Jmunnny 103ポイント104ポイント  (37子コメント)

That don't jive, turkey.

[–]houndofbaskerville 55ポイント56ポイント  (12子コメント)

Oh, stewardess! I speak jive.

[–]Jps1023 14ポイント15ポイント  (2子コメント)

Cut me some slack, jack.

[–]hennelly14 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Chump don' want no help, chump don' get da help

[–]Uralyah 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Don't call me mustache, clown.

[–]LOADING_REDDITOR_1 25ポイント26ポイント  (8子コメント)

I can't believe I'm saying this again within a week.

It's "excuse me Stewardess, I speak jive."

Edit for quotation error.

[–]beachexec 16ポイント17ポイント  (1子コメント)

You must live a hard life. :(

[–]Let there be plight.acromulent 12ポイント13ポイント  (1子コメント)

Your quotation mark game needs work.

[–]raceover 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

*It's "Excuse me Stewardess, I speak jive."

[–]G3N3Parmesan 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

Are you sure it isn't, "Excuse me Stewardess, I speak Jive."

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    [–]N3rdLink 11ポイント12ポイント  (10子コメント)

    Woah woah woah. Who u callin' a jive turkey?!

    [–]capnuck 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

    intersectionality

    [–]pHitzy 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    You got to sass it!

    [–]Sjcolian27 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    jive-ass turkey!

    [–]mrhooch 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    It ain't cool bein a jive turkey so close to Thanksgiving...

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      [–]TheGoldenFruit 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

      You could flip it the other way too saying that women have a social advantage to men. I agree with you, it should be changed to accommodate both, just sayin you could flip it like that.

      [–]comrade-jim 80ポイント81ポイント  (33子コメント)

      My definition of equality doesn't really jive with that way of thinking.

      Watch out you're about to get called an ignorant racist sexist misogynist as your accuser sits upon a moral high-horse of self-righteousness while pushing an authoritarian ideology under the guise of "social justice".

      In reality the SJW's are just as bigoted as the people they claim to be against. They go around bullying people and making fun of people and think somehow they're the righteous ones.

      SJWs are fanatical members of a fad religion, extremists.

      SJWs are the saddest group of losers on the internet and by far the most delusional. It's fascinating to watch them contort their ideology and do mental gymnastics to justify their hypocritical bigotry.

      It's not about "equality" for them, it's about forcing everyone to obey their authoritarian rules and using powerful words like "racist" and "misogynist" to squelch anyone who might disagree with them and control the narrative of the conversation, after all no one wants to be called racist.

      [–]aStarving0rphan 34ポイント35ポイント  (14子コメント)

      Actually, if you go to the top posts of /r/feminism and read the comments, a lot of them would agree with you and the guy above

      Specifically this post http://www.reddit.com/r/feminism/comments/1t7b8d/_/

      [–]SayAllenthing 28ポイント29ポイント  (3子コメント)

      Just because SJWs label themselves as feminists, doesn't mean their views represent feminism.

      [–]beachexec 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

      /r/feminism isn't so bad. It's /r/feminisms and other SJW affiliates that are bad.

      [–]da_pudz 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I think SJW has developed into a term almost separate from feminism and the other various causes they are associated with. They have become the extremist outliers of good movements. It's sort of like the difference between a Muslim and a Jyhadist, the one is a minor subset of the other but does not determine the entire religion.

      [–]Terminal-Psychosis 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Now if that level of reason was only applied to our totally sexist "justice" system.

      Come on feminists, men need equality too. It's hard to fight for fairness when being villified by other feminists though.

      [–]khaeen 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Which is why he stated that SJWs are extremists. SJWs are the ISIS/Westboro Baptists of the feminist cause.

      [–]szthesquid 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      You can say that, but an alt account of mine was called a rape apologist and banned from that sub for trying to have a discussion about where the line is between "had a sip" and "too drunk to consent".

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        [–]hardcoreufoz 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

        10 bucks this is all over SRS within the hour

        [–]CireArodum 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

        It's funny that you warn him he's going to be attacked for what he posted and then go on to attack people for things that you suspect they will post.

        If someone says something shitty call them out on it. Don't poison the well by saying hey people will disagree with you but it's okay because they're all disingenuous. Are you trying to have a real discussion or win at the internet?

        [–]stichery87 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

        Carefull comrade. The sjw intencity is echoed in your well reasoned responce.

        [–]bendovergramps 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

        I'm inclined to think that less than 1% of of 1% of those vying for social justice think this way. I always see comments (and posts) like this, and to me, it's like scraping the very bottom of the barrel and using it to represent the entire barrel. Most of the time, we don't give them any attention.

        [–]BrilliantDynamitesNe 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

        Laws that are passed seem to reflect otherwise. Like the new one in California that a women cannot consent to sex while intoxicated but men aren't covered in that law.

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            [–]darwin2500 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

            If you can't understand the logic of this position, it's because it's not an actual a real position that anyone or any group holds. Men and women are both liable for criminal actions while drunk; men and women both are unable to consent to sex while drunk under the law. The fact that men more often get charged for rape when alcohol is involved has everything to do with legal definitions of rape and biases in how likely a man vs a woman is to press charges in such a situation, and how likely people are to take them seriously if they report and go forward to prosecution. No one in the world is actually saying there's a difference in responsibility.

            [–]bipolarrealist 42ポイント43ポイント  (70子コメント)

            Superficial feminists aren't looking for equality, they're looking for advantages/benefits over men.

            [–]quickdrinkthis 82ポイント83ポイント  (51子コメント)

            Those are not actual feminists

            [–]INGSOCtheGREAT 107ポイント108ポイント  (26子コメント)

            No true Scotsman, yadda, yadda.

            You find people of any group that can have wacky ideas. That doesn't make them not part of the group.

            [–]ImperialPsycho 40ポイント41ポイント  (5子コメント)

            Being part of a group and representative of a group are not the same thing, though.

            [–]magmasafe 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

            They're trying to be representative though and that's the issue. Feminism typically forms a new wave when these things occur and I think a lot of people feel we need 4th wave feminism to get the movement back on track and away from the superficial posturing that's arisen. Otherwise there's a real danger of feminism being discredited by these people and we'll need to build all this momentum up again.

            [–]AverageUnknown 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Perhaps not, but considering the amount of direct harm feminism has done lately (and the number of their members who are complicit or in agreement with it, whether through ignorance or malice), the "not real feminists" argument doesn't hold as much weight with me.

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              [–]lateralus124 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Damn Scott's, they ruined Scottland!

              [–]EggsNbeans 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

              No, only the good examples count.

              [–]beverlycrushher 13ポイント14ポイント  (2子コメント)

              I actually think that fallacy doesn't apply here, as the Scotsman falacy tends to apply to instances where an auxillary behavior does not ostracize a person from a group that conforms on a separate and unrelated reason.

              This is the original excert (according to Wikipedia, so take what you will): Imagine Hamish McDonald, a Scotsman, sitting down with his Glasgow Morning Herald and seeing an article about how the "Brighton (England) Sex Maniac Strikes Again". Hamish is shocked and declares that "No Scotsman would do such a thing". The next day he sits down to read his Glasgow Morning Herald again; and, this time, finds an article about an Aberdeen (Scotland) man whose brutal actions make the Brighton sex maniac seem almost gentlemanly. This fact shows that Hamish was wrong in his opinion, but is he going to admit this? Not likely. This time he says: "No true Scotsman would do such a thing".

              "Sex maniac-ing" someone and being born in Scotland are unrelated. They did not "sex maniac-ing" because they were from Scotland, and being from Scotland did not make them a sex manic.

              In this case, Feminism by definition and most practices, is "the advocacy of women's rights on the grounds of political, social, and economic equality to men."

              In this case, wanting women to have advantages more than men directly conflicts with what makes them part of the "feminism" group. So they really aren't feminists and the fallacy doesn't apply.

              [–]Bay1Bri 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

              But what if the group is defined by their ideas? If someone says "I'm a feminist but I don't think women should be allowed to vote" would you still consider them a feminist?

              [–]Pomguo 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

              It's equally No True Scotsman to say that feminists are the ones who want superiority to men, btw.

              [–]beachexec 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Trying to dismiss the logical fallacy out of hand doesn't make it not apply. There's way too many nutters that call themselves feminists to try to do that.

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                [–]3rdweal 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

                They are not true scotsmen either.

                [–]nyrp 14ポイント15ポイント  (1子コメント)

                I actually would argue that the ones who promote that thinking ARE they real feminists. They are the activists who are getting laws changed: "enthusiastic consent", "don't teach women not to drink, teach men not to rape", and giving women weeks and months to decide whether the sex they had was rape or not. We hear about these social changes because they are the public service announcements, new rules, and new norms that the most powerful segments of this group are able to make a national storm over. Therefore, they ARE the real feminists, they hold feminist power, they are making feminist changes to society.

                Even if you claim they are not feminists, they hold the microphone and they say they are feminists. So, to them they are feminists, to the public they are the face of feminism, and responsible for the new social attitudes about women. So, to them, you are just a woman-hater who tells other women who is and who isn't a feminist, when they claim to be one and they've convinced everyone they are such. And they're making feminist new rules, their version anyway, so how could you say they're not feminists. If they're not feminists, what are they?

                [–]angrynewyawka 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                I'd fucking buy you a beer right now if I knew where you were.

                Bravo.

                [–]bipolarrealist 12ポイント13ポイント  (4子コメント)

                Those are people who use feminism as an excuse.

                [–]CalvinDehaze 35ポイント36ポイント  (3子コメント)

                Let's call them "Gender Extremists". They do exist on both sides.

                [–]jeanduluoz 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

                No true feminist would do that!

                From wiki:

                No true Feminist is an informal fallacy, an ad hoc attempt to retain an unreasoned assertion.[1] When faced with a counterexample to a universal claim ("no Feminist would do such a thing"), rather than denying the counterexample or rejecting the original universal claim, this fallacy modifies the subject of the assertion to exclude the specific case or others like it by rhetoric, without reference to any specific objective rule ("no true Feminist would do such a thing")."

                [–]Joenz 1ポイント2ポイント  (8子コメント)

                I won't identify with feminism because of this. I'm for equal treatment for everybody, so I'd identify myself as a humanist.

                [–]gordonv 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                I know what you mean but i think you mean egalitarian. Humanism deals with faith/religion.

                [–]Pomguo 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Egalitarian is not a good word for this, because it covers more than just gender politics. It also talks about economic equality (communism), racial equality, etc etc.

                It's useless to have a term so generic be used about a specific field.

                [–]2mnykitehs 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

                I never quite understood this logic. A person can be Christian without agreeing with the Westboro Baptist Church. A person can be a Democrat without agreeing with Diane Feinstein. So why can't a person be a feminist without agreeing with women who want advantages over men?

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                    [–]PussyWhistle 14ポイント15ポイント  (4子コメント)

                    Those are misandrists. They're the ones that make real feminists look bad.

                    [–]JesterMarcus 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

                    The problem is, if those people are now the voice and face of your movement, that's not everyone else's fault or job to fix it.

                    [–]PussyWhistle 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Yeah, I don't really have a strong opinion on it one way or another. I just think people should know the difference between feminists and radical man-hating psychos.

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                      [–]agha0013 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                      There's feminists, and then there's "feminists"

                      Just like everything else in life, there are people who hide behind certain causes to try and push their own agendas.

                      There's environmentalists, then there's PETA and Greenpeace...

                      [–]Mortress 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                      Feminists want men and women to be treated with equal respect. Seeing women as irrational children to obtain some sort of advantage over men is the opposite of that.

                      [–]DrKronin 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Ya, I'm gonna have to see as much discussion about the lack of women in construction jobs as STEM and government before that seems even remotely true to me.

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                        [–]FarkCookies 6ポイント7ポイント  (15子コメント)

                        No sane person endorses this "odd concept", this is total straw man argument.

                        [–]gordonv 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        Agreed. I've decided to identify as an egalitarian. Actual equality.

                        [–]Cthulu2014 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        Well in situations rife with drinking where inhibitions and social norms are lowered you can almost view it through a cavemen-style lens of "if push comes to shove most men can overpower a woman on a purely physical level to do what they want"

                        which creates a dicey situation when women and men are both hammered in each other's company, and results in this ostensible double standard of making men 'more responsible' for their actions than women when drunk

                        Modern society complicates it with additional dynamics, but women are generally the weaker sex and at more risk of being taken advantage of by a man who is drunk than vice versa. Not always, but in general it holds true.

                        [–]UneasySeabass -2ポイント-1ポイント  (45子コメント)

                        I don't think you understand drunken consent laws at all. I kind of think you don't want to, but I'll try to explain it anyway.

                        Having sex with ANYONE too drunk to consent is rape. Guy or girl. You have the legal right to not be raped while you are drunk.

                        If someone commits a crime while drunk (robbery, rape, assault) while drunk, you can be prosecuted even though you were drunk. If two people are drunk but one of them has sex with someone else to drunk to consent, you can still be prosecuted.

                        Does that make sense?

                        [–]I_Am_The_Mole 11ポイント12ポイント  (7子コメント)

                        Is it possible for both parties to be "too drunk to consent" or is it a binary "one person was quantifiably more sober than the other and therefore is held responsible"?

                        [–]PeterGibbons316 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        So if two drunk people have sex they are raping each other?

                        [–]wiifan55 6ポイント7ポイント  (4子コメント)

                        In reality, the law is not applied that way. Also you can't ignore the historical evolution of the law, which for the longest time didn't even recognize male rape by a female as possible because penetration was a required element. The issue comes up when both parties are allegedly too drunk to consent. In this instance, it's the male that still likely gets charged.

                        [–]UneasySeabass 9ポイント10ポイント  (3子コメント)

                        Well you can thank feminists for getting the definition of rape changed so that men can be raped in the eyes of the law.

                        [–]wiifan55 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        That's not what's being discussed at all, so I have no idea why you felt the need to bring it up. You very clearly have a terrible grasp of the law in this topic. I was providing a historical context as to why prosecution when both parties are unable to consent is still skewed towards one sex. Also, I notice you keep repeating a line about "whoever initiates the sex" in these instances is the rapist. That's entirely incorrect for a number of reasons: (1) practically speaking because initiation can be mutual; and (2) legally speaking because the law just isn't written that way. Essentially, it seems you're just making things up as you go.

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                          [–]shrekter 35ポイント36ポイント  (12子コメント)

                          You're leaving out the part that only men are prosecuted in the event that both parties are drunk. There was even a poster about it.

                          [–]CIthrowAway 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

                          Men are significantly less likely to come forward and admit to being raped. That is one of the reasons why the statistics are so skewed.

                          [–]shrekter 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          One of them.

                          [–]DiluvialAscension 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Or maybe they don't think having sex while drunk and regretting it the next morning is rape.

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                              [–]cantaloupe5 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

                              What if both the guy and girl are too drunk to consent but one side claims rape?

                              [–]zephyrtr 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

                              If two people are drunk but one of them has sex with someone else to drunk to consent, you can still be prosecuted. Does that make sense?

                              Is there a situation where both parties are too drunk to consent, but sex still happens?

                              [–]cain3482 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              Why is it that only one of them has sex with someone else too 'drunk' to consent. Legally they both can't consent as they are both drunk, it wouldn't matter if one was more 'plastered' than the other.

                              So if both of them are drunk, meaning they can't consent, yet both willingly partake in the event while drunk then who is really raping who? I'm not saying that one is passed out as when you are unconscious you also cannot provide consent (alcohol or no alcohol), I am saying they are both awake, drunk, and providing consent to the other (though that consent cannot legally be given).

                              Following this through it would be that both of them raped someone.

                              [–]entwined82 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              I think the problem is that its not just as clear cut as one person having committed a crime. If two drunk people agree to have sex, neither can technically give consent. Based on that, both are sort of rapists and rape victims at the same time. Will both be prosecuted? Probably not.

                              [–]Atheist101 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                              If two people are drunk but one of them has sex with someone else to drunk to consent, you can still be prosecuted.

                              You talk about sex as if it was a 1 way street. Men dont just have sex with women, its possible for them to have sex with each other, mutually. Men arent always the initiators nor the ones who act on the women but in the eyes of the law, its always seen as that.

                              [–]UneasySeabass 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              I didn't say anything about men being the initiators did I?

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                                [–]YOU_ARE_A_TOY 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                I wish more people promoted true equality like this. A lot of people are too busy pointing fingers at feminists to realize they can actually become activists of the change we need.

                                [–]aStarving0rphan 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                Actually, if you go to the top posts of /r/feminism and read the comments, a lot of them would agree with you

                                Specifically this post http://www.reddit.com/r/feminism/comments/1t7b8d/_/

                                [–]Sayuu89 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                Sounds like a day in the life of a Mennonite.

                                [–]Mr_Zarika 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                That's not very politically correct.

                                [–]TheMarlBroMan 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                This is what I see in modern liberalism. It's this coddling, maternal, almost condescending attitude that says "There there now. I know you couldn't possibly do this on your own. Let me help you so you can see how good of a person I am."

                                It absolves women of their responsibility and turns one party who engaged in the same act a felon.

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                                  [–]AntManMax1 23ポイント24ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                  Most laws state that whoever initiates sex if both parties are drunk is responsible. Which, in most cases, are guys.

                                  That being said, you then run into the issue of it being a he said she said of who initiated sex. Sometimes "yeah I kissed her first so what" is enough to get someone convicted of rape.

                                  [–]sarcasmcannon 55ポイント56ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                  There's an old saying, I can't remember it exactly but it goes something like "Drunk men wake up in jail cells, drunk women wake up in stranger's beds".

                                  [–]Drink_Clorox_and_Die 161ポイント162ポイント  (11子コメント)

                                  Anyone have that pic of "Jon got drunk, Stacey got drunk, they hooked up, Stacey couldn't consent. RAPE." Or however that went? That's what this reminded me of.

                                  [–]King-Dingus 56ポイント57ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  Here you go :)

                                  http://imgur.com/eGPhwEU

                                  [–]Slut_Nuggets 111ポイント112ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                  I remember during orientation freshman year of college, they told us that NY state law states that if a woman has consumed any amount of alcohol, she is incapable of giving lawful consent and any sexual interaction with her could be considered rape. So that's why I never had sex with any girls

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                                    [–]NoFunHere 42ポイント43ポイント  (23子コメント)

                                    According to a post I saw earlier today, drunk men who get fucked are not responsible for their behavior but the drunk man who fucked him was a rapist.

                                    Maybe it has to do more with position than gender.

                                    [–]Mclively 42ポイント43ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                    The one on their back is innocent. Got it.

                                    [–]houssc 38ポイント39ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                    Insist on cowgirl, have her ride you and you're always safe!

                                    [–]SchlitzTheCat 17ポイント18ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                    Also she can't get pregnant that way because of gravity, right?

                                    [–]GIGA255 14ポイント15ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                    What does George Clooney have to do with this!?

                                    [–]the_corruption 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                    He said she, you dolt. We're talking about Sandra Bullock!

                                    [–]el_zilcho321 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                    The sperm will be too busy watching Sandra Bullock floating around to fertilise the and then BAM they're dead.

                                    [–]sidestreet 10ポイント11ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                    There is a difference between drunk and blackout drunk/unconscious.

                                    [–]Desoge 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                    Not according to the law. Many laws are written with the wording that one drink makes it impossible for a woman to give consent.

                                    [–]gerritvb 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                    Example of such a law?

                                    [–]TheGoldenFruit 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                    Still kinda fucked up. Many people just don't know how the legal definition of rape works, especially if someone is drunk. I've only seen ads when they push the idea that women Arn't responsible for there actions when drunk, when the people who try to make people socially aware should be informing that men can also be in this situation.

                                    [–]darwin2500 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                    It has to do with criminality. You are always criminally responsible for actions taken while drunk.

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                                      [–]copper_chicken 33ポイント34ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                      A staggering level of stupidity. Adults are responsible for their own choices.

                                      [–]shrekter 14ポイント15ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                      But women aren't adults, don't you see? They're scared little children that need big strong men to protect them from the big scary world.

                                      [–]xTRYPTAMINEx 12ポイント13ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                      Feminism seems to want to give all of the benefits of responsibility, with none of the actual responsibility. At this point it's just manipulation.

                                      [–]UgUgImDyingYouIdiot 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                      Unless those men are drunk

                                      [–]biblosaurus 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                      Example.

                                      [–]richardleosimones 52ポイント53ポイント  (15子コメント)

                                      Well that's because society expects men to be more accountable for their actions than women. That's why for the same crime men get larger sentences.

                                      [–]YouWontBelieveWhoIAm 36ポイント37ポイント  (11子コメント)

                                      That's what's wrong, women should be held to the same standards of accountability.

                                      [–]badsingularity 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                      When a woman rapes an underaged boy, it's because they are in love.

                                      [–]Titleist_Drummer 21ポイント22ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                      Believe it or not, feminists aren't the hypocrites many would like to make them out to be, and they're actually in support of equal sentences for men and women.

                                      [–]Lacasax 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                      Yes, but they aren't as loud and outdpoken as the crazy ones.

                                      [–]PM_QUIL0N_SPAM 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                      Believe it or not, the world doesn't work exactly as reddit believes it to.

                                      [–]Zachariahmandosa 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                      Not to be inflammatory, but where is this the case? The only instances I've heard this ever addressed by feminists doesn't call for lesser sentences for men, or longer sentences for women. In fact, I've never heard this issue ever mentioned in feminist conversations; occasionally the "vocal minority" calls for lesser sentencing for women, regardless of the crime.

                                      Again, I'm not trying to be inflammatory, do you have any sources?

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                                          [–]241410 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          At least we get paid more! /s

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                                            [–]SuperJo 78ポイント79ポイント  (34子コメント)

                                            Feminist here (yeah, I know. Down vote.) I have never heard this logic, and it certainly goes against everything I believe regarding consent. Hell, I've been in more than my fair share of "What the Hell did WE do last night" situations.

                                            [–]dreckmal 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            http://imgur.com/eGPhwEU

                                            [–]FuckOffMightBe2Kind 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            Law says rape.

                                            [–]RocinanteOfLaMancha 18ポイント19ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                            Don't expect young men on the internet to have actually taken the time to understand feminism and to know that there is plenty of bad feminism floating around.

                                            [–]dgbaker93 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                            Well when you only hear about the bad crap (because it is the only interesting stuff) you tend to believe the vocal minority is the majority. But it doesn't fail when there are cases like this that go through (and more common than the opposite). So i think it still highlights a problem.

                                            [–]Hip-Hopster 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            <3

                                            [–]kegor 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            I'm pretty sure a lot of young men know that. It doesn't have anything to do with the OP. And it's not just "bad feminists" that see things this way. There are guys out there that share this obviously flawed view.

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                                              [–]KaribouLouDied 10ポイント11ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                              This is modern feminism. If you don't believe it, then instead of fighting men, fight the women that give feminism a bad name.

                                              [–]SuperJo 16ポイント17ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                              I don't fight men. In fact, I think the best way forward for women in the U.S. right now is to push the men's lib agenda. Women can't have the flexibility in lifestyle that we want unless men have the same.

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                                                [–]TheGoldenFruit 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                Why the fuck are you being downvoted?

                                                [–]Lacasax 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                I don't know of its really a feminism thing, but they do teach this at many college orientations.

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                                                  [–]woowoo293 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                  This is due to the intersection of two legal principles that on their own sound perfectly reasonable, but produce a questionable result in rape cases. The principles are:

                                                  1. A drunk woman (or person) cannot consent to sex. Seems perfectly fine. We don't want creeps taking advantage of intoxicated woman.

                                                  2. People are liable for any criminal acts they perform as a result their from voluntary intoxication, at least for crimes of general intent.

                                                  Because rape is typically a crime of general intent, principle 2 applies. Because consent is a defense to a rape allegation, principle 1 applies. That's how we end up in the quandary.

                                                  Perhaps a more equitable way to look at it is to understand that the same outcome should apply if a drunk male accuses a drunk female of raping him. This situation is far less common and unfortunately not handled well by society, such as police. But in that case, the woman should absolutely be found guilty of rape.

                                                  Edit: changed some wording.

                                                  [–]LaterGatorPlayer 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                  1. A drunk woman (or person) cannot consent to sex. Seems perfectly fine. We don't want creeps taking advantage of intoxicated woman.

                                                  Well then if a drunk person cannot consent to sex, and a drunk man and a drunk woman has sex; how come they aren't treated the same in the eyes of the law? And especially on college campuses.

                                                  [–]xfinchx21 24ポイント25ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                  What about if they literally can't even?

                                                  [–]shrekter 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  Then they're very odd.

                                                  [–]clykyclyk 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  May be dumb and not the same... But as a gay guy I agree with the "equal rights. I've been drunk with an ex and not quite remembered it all... I've been drunk at a club and not remembered how long I've been making out with someone, or more... I always understood " if I'm that drunk... It's MY fault "

                                                  [–]akornblatt 12ポイント13ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                  I would say that there is a big difference between a situation where both parties are equally inebriated and one where one party is taking advantage of the other.

                                                  [–]l4mbch0ps 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  But the point here is that they are viewed the same in the eyes of the law .

                                                  [–]MarkNutt25 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  Yeah, that would make sense. But then again, when has the law ever made sense?

                                                  [–]Desecr8or 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  The reality is a lot more complicated. Legally speaking, it is possible for someone (whether male or female) to be convicted of rape if both parties are drunk. However, it's a case-by-case sort of thing and oversimplified crap like this misrepresents the actual complexities of the issues.

                                                  [–]ktstarchild 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  See, to a certain extent I can agree with this. A woman is responsible for her actions, if you choose to get blackout drunk without a caretaker/friend looking after you then that's just irresponsible and you are putting yourself in a vulnerable position . I'm a woman and I consider myself a feminist but not in the sense I think most people think of when they hear feminism. I think the whole idea of saying men and women are the same is stupid. We are not. Men and women In general have different physical and mental strengths . Should we be treated with fairness? Yea. Should women be allowed to make her own decisions, the right to vote, the right to work? Yes we should. Is it wrong to take advantage of someone when they are intoxicated ? Yes it is. For both sexes.

                                                  I think women however are particularly vulnerable when intoxicated because unfortunately a lot of people see a drunk woman and try to take advantage of that situation and due to the nature of women and their physical capabilities they often are the victim (so to speak) in these situations l.

                                                  [–]alorian 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  I've thought about this for quite a while. Treat women like children. Women want to be treated like children, and act like children, until it hinders what they want to do. They want to be spoiled children with tons of attention and no supervision.

                                                  At least, that's what this kind of behavior teaches us. Whether it's true or not, that's the subtext to this sort of thing.

                                                  [–]StormwindHero 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  It's called female privilege. Women are always assumed innocent and the male is always assume guilty. The worst example of this is "rape" allegations. A women how the power destroy people lives with the accusation of rape and man is always guilty until proven innocent.

                                                  Same with sexism accusations, they always take the word of a women as gospel.

                                                  [–]FarkCookies 23ポイント24ポイント  (10子コメント)

                                                  Reddit circlejerking over made up picture at its best. I never ever heard anyone saying this in real life even from people who I would call SJWs. Perfect strawman.

                                                  PS: If anyone says wait wait, what about that leaflet about drunk sex, read this.

                                                  [–]TheGoldenFruit 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                  I have actually seen ads like this in my middle school 5 years ago. Not exactly the same but similar, same with highschool. Ads like this exist.

                                                  [–]FantasticDucks 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                  That still said yes. It also is for one college, not all of them, nor is it necessarily the stance of State or federal governments

                                                  [–]FarkCookies 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                  “The most disconcerting thing for me is that it’s been posted and people don’t understand it’s not something we use or currently endorse on our campus,” she said.

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                                                    [–]kevincreeperpants 13ポイント14ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                    ALL HAIL THE GRAND AND POWERFUL PUSSYPASS!

                                                    [–]Mclively 18ポイント19ポイント  (19子コメント)

                                                    I hate how feminism talks about women like they do no wrong. It's men that are the cause of everything that is bad in this world, point this out and get a shit storm. Hypocrisy is the reason why I can't take today's feminism seriously.

                                                    [–]verdantmiles 20ポイント21ポイント  (16子コメント)

                                                    Modern feminism has become a hate group.

                                                    [–]Uncle_Freddy 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                    Those aren't real feminists man, don't confuse your run-of-the-mill angsty tumblr user with the actual feminism movement. Basically, the loud, hypocritical, obnoxiousx tumblr-angst female supremacy movement is to the entire feminist movement what the Westboro Baptist Church is to the entire Christian religion. It's definitely inappropriate to properly consider the smaller, more extreme group as a part of the larger whole

                                                    [–]TheGoldenFruit 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                    "Today's feminism" isn't feminism, anything that goes against or challenges the original movement of feminism(equal right for men and women) is not considered feminism, if you wanted to be correct anyway. If I see someone who has a incorrect view of the movement I'll correct then, same with Men's Rights Activism.

                                                    EDIT:let me rephrase that. People have views that do not go along with the ideal "equal rights for men and women", which is the original idea for feminism. Some people today have misconstrued that ideal, to the point where others have misconstrued the movement which is very unfortunate, it's a great movement.

                                                    [–]Elbie79 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                    Indeed, drunk men are not drunk women.

                                                    ಠ_ಠ

                                                    [–]mijeranga 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                    They can be, by the point of view of another drunk.

                                                    [–]BrojobBrojob 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                    Great, a new meme. I always thought Reddit needed a new way to bash feminism.

                                                    [–]Elite051 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                    This meme is older than dirt.

                                                    [–]bananasarehealthy 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                    Is the girl in the picture gianna micheals?

                                                    [–]Mutoid 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                    Well the spirit of the law is that drunk people are more easily overpowered, and women are already at a disadvantage there. The letter of the law, however, is not well synced with that because drunk people's account of events are more easily discredited.

                                                    [–]ProfessorIsaiah 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                    There isn't any logic in that.

                                                    [–]RedxSmoke 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8JMGrIcUdU

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                                                    [–]bumgees 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                    What about 2 drunk guys? Or 2 drunks women? Do they cancel each other out?

                                                    [–]NotRenton 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                    Uh yes they are.

                                                    [–]mysinsmakeme 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                    I've never seen this logic seriously used in an academic setting or scholarly article; if you want equality for all under the eyesof the law then you are a feminist, if you want to punish a specific gender you are a sexiest and an internet fool of a feminist

                                                    [–]Aspiring_Programmer 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                    We poke, they get stabbed is really what it boils down to.

                                                    [–]CuntyMcFagNuts69 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                    That's why MGTOW is an option. You can be sober and her blacked out and it's still your fault. Be careful men

                                                    [–]joymode 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                    Somehow its my fault that my ex wife got a DUI. go figure.

                                                    [–]CrystaljDesign 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                    This happened to a guy I knew. The woman felt guilty about cheating on her boyfriend so she pressed charges even though they were both intoxicated and he was unaware of the boyfriend's existence in the first place.

                                                    [–]illogic_bomb 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                    That illogic is the bomb.

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